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Title: Shalom
Post by: Dan Ben Noah on September 20, 2011, 12:34:20 PM
Shalom
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Zelhar on September 20, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
What about transmutations are they also allowed to enlist ?
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: White Israelite on September 20, 2011, 12:41:48 PM
God will judge this country for what it has embraced!!!
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Maimonides on September 20, 2011, 01:46:16 PM


DUXBURY, Vt. — At midnight, just as the Pentagon began allowing gays to serve openly in the military, Navy Lt. Gary Ross and his partner of 11 years sealed their marriage vows.

The Arizona men chose Vermont for their nuptials in part because it is in the Eastern time zone.

"We feel that it's important that as soon as we're allowed to commit to each other that we do," Ross said before the ceremony. "It's important not to hide anymore."



Go figure there are homosexuals in the Navy? Who would have guessed there would be homosexuals among men who spend months alone together on a ship in close quarters? As Winston Churchill said the traditions of the Navy are "Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash"

Check out the "Shellback Initiations" that Navy has when they cross the Equator! This has been going on for hundreds of years! Another warning for Jews and Righteous Gentiles not to join the U.S. military.

http://www.desausa.org/pollywog_to_shellback.htm (http://www.desausa.org/pollywog_to_shellback.htm)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/102759492_dbf24cbfbc_m.jpg)
He is kissing his belly as required by the "tradition"!
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/102854485_cea0eb2761_m.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/101241422_7c17c9c960_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: mord on September 20, 2011, 03:35:55 PM
The Navy is the only Branch that welcomed Gaylords  happily.I know the U.S. Marines and Air Force were less happy about it.The Navy has some very righteous individuals serving as well
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on September 20, 2011, 03:44:07 PM
This is what the degenerate American people wants, I guess.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 20, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
The Navy is the only Branch that welcomed Gaylords  happily.I know the U.S. Marines and Air Force were less happy about it.The Navy has some very righteous individuals serving as well

(http://www.mattscdsingles.com/acatalog/village%20navy%2094%20remix.jpg)
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Rubystars on September 20, 2011, 04:59:31 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41l8PoskA9L._SY445_.jpg)

He wants to be your soldier
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: cjd on September 20, 2011, 06:52:57 PM
Go figure there are homosexuals in the Navy? Who would have guessed there would be homosexuals among men who spend months alone together on a ship in close quarters? As Winston Churchill said the traditions of the Navy are "Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash"

Check out the "Shellback Initiations" that Navy has when they cross the Equator! This has been going on for hundreds of years! Another warning for Jews and Righteous Gentiles not to join the U.S. military.

http://www.desausa.org/pollywog_to_shellback.htm (http://www.desausa.org/pollywog_to_shellback.htm)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/102759492_dbf24cbfbc_m.jpg)
He is kissing his belly as required by the "tradition"!
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/102854485_cea0eb2761_m.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/101241422_7c17c9c960_m.jpg)
The Navy has had a very bad reputation for being infested with homosexuals for some time... A WW2 Marine that I worked with that served on Midway Island during the Pearl Harbor attack told me some interesting stories about the bad reputation Navy people had aboard ships even back then... This is an ingrained problem that has existed for some time... Honestly it might be better knowing what the score is rather than having people around that could be blackmailed due to being in the so called closet... It's a rough situation for the military to deal with... Many homosexuals put in their service time and serve their country with great honor and respect... Then there are the clowns  like the people in the photos above.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 20, 2011, 11:30:46 PM
Speaking as an enlisted Navy sailor, I hope every G-d-hater who had a hand in this dies of AIDS.  And I reject any and all of the "equal opportunity" drek that they are trying to shove down our throats (along with anything else they might try to shove down our throats).  Sodom and Gomorrah weren't worth defending, and neither is America unless we shape up quick.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-military-gay-wedding-20110920,0,3937926.story

DUXBURY, Vt. — At midnight, just as the Pentagon began allowing gays to serve openly in the military, Navy Lt. Gary Ross and his partner of 11 years sealed their marriage vows.

The Arizona men chose Vermont for their nuptials in part because it is in the Eastern time zone.

"We feel that it's important that as soon as we're allowed to commit to each other that we do," Ross said before the ceremony. "It's important not to hide anymore."

Hours before the change was to take effect, the American military was making final preparations for the historic policy shift. The Pentagon announced that it was already accepting applications from openly gay candidates, but officials said they would wait a day before reviewing them.

Ross, 33, and Dan Swezy, a 49-year-old civilian, both of Tucson, also chose Vermont because it was the first state to allow gays to enter into civil unions, and one of six that have legalized same-sex marriage.

Justice of the Peace Greg Trulson proclaimed their marriage at exactly midnight.

Pentagon Press Secretary George Little said Monday that the military was prepared for the end of "don't ask, don't tell," a law adopted in 1993 that allowed gays to serve as long as they did not openly acknowledge their sexual orientation. Commanders were not allowed to ask.

In preparation for Tuesday's repeal, all branches of the military have spent several months training personnel and updating regulations.

Lifting the ban halts all pending investigations, discharges and other proceedings that were begun under the old law.

President Obama signed the law that repealed "don't ask, don't tell" in December and, in July, certified that lifting the ban would not diminish the military's ability to fight. Some in Congress remain opposed, however, contending that the new policy may undermine order and discipline.

Existing standards of personal conduct, such as those pertaining to public displays of affection, will continue regardless of sexual orientation.

Ross, a 2002 graduate of the Naval Academy, is a surface warfare officer at the Army's Ft. Huachuca. Their Tucson home is about a two-hour commute from the fort, which is near the Mexican border.

When he returns to work Thursday, Ross isn't planning to advertise that he's married to a man.

But he said the end of the ban will simplify many aspects of his life.

The old system "requires you to lie several times a day," he said. He hopes being able to talk about his relationship will make his work easier too.

"If you're standing watch at midnight on a surface ship, there's not much to talk about," he said. "It becomes very difficult to trust someone you can't be honest with."



     Wishing strangers to die of AIDS is a very serious.  You seem to have a particular problem with all homosexuals, practicing or otherwise.  You might want to take a look at that.  it's not good to wish AIDS on people who havent done a thing to you.  Do you think this kind of talk makes you look righteous?  It just makes you look very ugly.  Threads like this make us look very 'fringe,' in the same way making fun of all Blacks has in the past.  I am NOT talking about evil people who do their best to destroy the Jewish people like that vile animal Norman Fagelstein.
      The subject of 'gay' rights is a serious one as what some people consider 'rights,' is really just an excuse to make a mockery of marriage and be flip in a stupid, arrogant, and politically correct manner.  However wishing AIDS on an entire group of people is really quite evil
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Meerkat on September 20, 2011, 11:43:03 PM
@mmmhmmmm

well put
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 12:10:36 AM
Homosexuality is a perversion with is an abomination to the Lord, G-d of Israel.

I don't care what your opinion on the topic is. Hashem has clearly stated that it is an abomination which is so serious it caries with it a death sentence.

There is nothing wrong in wanting to see perversion and evil eliminated from this world. I too want to see all homosexuality removed from the world, and all perversion and evil with it.

It is wrong that America allows this kind of sexual immorality within its fighting forces. It is a shame that our once great country allows perverts to join. The Torah clearly states that a righteous fighting force fights with Hashem on their side, a force which fights with perverts and sinners will surely lose.

America has decided to allow itself to slide into oblivion as our fighting forces are most obviously wicked and perverted.

I do not wish individual homos death. They need to do serious introspection and if they cannot do teshuva they should at least hide their perversion from righteous people. They are walking around with impurity and they bring down those who are pure who are around them.

I do not associate with anyone who I know engages in homosexual relationships. If someone I know gives some signs that they are 'that way' then I clearly state that I think that lifestyle is sick and that there are things which can be done to try to help them. But if they are so into their perversion that they cannot open their eyes then I too will ostracize them and exclude them.

Im sorry that some of you have such an 'open mind' that your common sense has fallen out. Every sinner believes that his or her sin is something which they were born with. It is a common crutch used by people who are caught up in evil habits, including drug use...

PS: I think dont ask dont tell was an excellent compromise. I would not want to belong to a military where openly homosexual people are around me. Imagine being in the shower with these lechers!?! The thought is disturbing... I also would not advise any young man to join a gay military...


mmmhmmm..... Many of us {Myself included} have Orthodox Jewish beliefs and we take the word of the Torah as the word of Hashem himself. Standing up for Hashem and his commandments is one of the most important things for a religious Jew. I do not wish aids on them all, but I don't condemn Dan for doing so..
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 21, 2011, 12:13:40 AM
Go figure there are homosexuals in the Navy? Who would have guessed there would be homosexuals among men who spend months alone together on a ship in close quarters? As Winston Churchill said the traditions of the Navy are "Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash"

Check out the "Shellback Initiations" that Navy has when they cross the Equator! This has been going on for hundreds of years! Another warning for Jews and Righteous Gentiles not to join the U.S. military.

http://www.desausa.org/pollywog_to_shellback.htm (http://www.desausa.org/pollywog_to_shellback.htm)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/102759492_dbf24cbfbc_m.jpg)
He is kissing his belly as required by the "tradition"!
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/102854485_cea0eb2761_m.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/101241422_7c17c9c960_m.jpg)

that's an old hazing rite of passage for crossing the equator for the first time. Its not "homosexual" in any way.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 21, 2011, 12:14:44 AM
Homosexuality is a perversion with is an abomination to the Lord, G-d of Israel.

I don't care what your opinion on the topic is. Hashem has clearly stated that it is an abomination which is so serious it caries with it a death sentence.

There is nothing wrong in wanting to see perversion and evil eliminated from this world. I too want to see all homosexuality removed from the world, and all perversion and evil with it.

It is wrong that America allows this kind of sexual immorality within its fighting forces. It is a shame that our once great country allows perverts to join. The Torah clearly states that a righteous fighting force fights with Hashem on their side, a force which fights with perverts and sinners will surely lose.

America has decided to allow itself to slide into oblivion as our fighting forces are most obviously wicked and perverted.

I do not wish individual homos death. They need to do serious introspection and if they cannot do teshuva they should at least hide their perversion from righteous people. They are walking around with impurity and they bring down those who are pure who are around them.

I do not associate with anyone who I know engages in homosexual relationships. If someone I know gives some signs that they are 'that way' then I clearly state that I think that lifestyle is sick and that there are things which can be done to try to help them. But if they are so into their perversion that they cannot open their eyes then I too will ostracize them and exclude them.

Im sorry that some of you have such an 'open mind' that your common sense has fallen out. Every sinner believes that his or her sin is something which they were born with. It is a common crutch used by people who are caught up in evil habits, including drug use...



Way to post a lot of verbiage, while missing the point entera.  I'm not arguing this point.  What I wrote was clear, please dont add your own thoughts, then claim that they are mine, and proceed to rebuke me for ideas which are in fact YOURS. You have a habit of doing that.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 12:15:07 AM
that's an old hazing rite of passage for crossing the equator for the first time. Its not "homosexual" in any way.

Sure looks like it to me... What kind of man puts his face in the crotch of another man?

Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 12:18:59 AM
Way to post a lot of verbiage, while missing the point entera.  I'm not arguing this point.  What I wrote was clear, please dont add your own thoughts, then claim that they are mine, and try and rebuke me for the ideas that aren't mine. You have a habit of doing that.

You obviously don't understand what the issue is then... Also now you seem to be getting defensive. I did not attribute anything to what you said.

You said that you are concerned that JTF would look too fringe because someone called for cursing the gays in the military. I explained to you why it is important to stand up against evil. But you dont want to deal with the issue and would rather make it personal against me. That is pretty weak.

What are you concerned about? What some people think or what is right according to Jewish belief?

Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 21, 2011, 12:19:48 AM
Sure looks like it to me... What kind of man puts his face in the crotch of another man?



its not in his crotch. It's an old maritime tradition, which you most probably have no knowledge or understanding of. Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-crossing_ceremony
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 12:21:55 AM
BTW mmmhhmmm,

Look at what Dan Ben Noah wrote and then examine what you wrote:

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Speaking as an enlisted Navy sailor, I hope every G-d-hater who had a hand in this dies of AIDS.  And I reject any and all of the "equal opportunity" drek that they are trying to shove down our throats (along with anything else they might try to shove down our throats).  Sodom and Gomorrah weren't worth defending, and neither is America unless we shape up quick.

Then you wrote this in your response:

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I am NOT talking about evil people who do their best to destroy the Jewish people like that vile animal Norman Fagelstein.

Well, G-d haters are evil people who are destroying the Jewish people...

Think about it...


PS: He didn't even wish every gay person to die of aids... He said all G-d haters who had a hand in ending DADT...
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 21, 2011, 12:25:41 AM
Go figure there are homosexuals in the Navy? Who would have guessed there would be homosexuals among men who spend months alone together on a ship in close quarters? As Winston Churchill said the traditions of the Navy are "Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash"

Check out the "Shellback Initiations" that Navy has when they cross the Equator! This has been going on for hundreds of years! Another warning for Jews and Righteous Gentiles not to join the U.S. military.

http://www.desausa.org/pollywog_to_shellback.htm (http://www.desausa.org/pollywog_to_shellback.htm)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/102759492_dbf24cbfbc_m.jpg)
He is kissing his belly as required by the "tradition"!
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/102854485_cea0eb2761_m.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/101241422_7c17c9c960_m.jpg)

It's called "hazing." No need to be ignorant.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 12:28:59 AM
Hmmm.... This really is interesting t_h_j:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-crossing_ceremony#Controversy

In 1995, a notorious line-crossing ceremony took place on an Australian submarine, HMAS Onslow. Sailors undergoing the ceremony were physically and verbally abused before being subjected to an act called "sump on the rump", where a dark liquid was daubed over each sailor's anus and genitalia. One sailor was then sexually assaulted with a long stick before all sailors undergoing the ceremony were forced to jump overboard until permitted to climb back aboard the submarine. A videotape of the ceremony was obtained by the Nine Network and aired on Australian television. The television coverage provoked widespread criticism, especially when the videotape showed some of the submarine's officers watching the entire proceedings from the conning tower.[6][7]



I guess I am not 'MAN' enough to find that macho... Sounds like something the Village People would find fascinating.

Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 21, 2011, 12:29:38 AM
You obviously don't understand what the issue is then... Also now you seem to be getting defensive. I did not attribute anything to what you said.

You said that you are concerned that JTF would look too fringe because someone called for cursing the gays in the military. I explained to you why it is important to stand up against evil. But you dont want to deal with the issue and would rather make it personal against me. That is pretty weak.

What are you concerned about? What some people think or what is right according to Jewish belief?



My comment was very specific.  Please deal with what was written and not what you, yourself, have added  
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 21, 2011, 12:33:04 AM
Hmmm.... This really is interesting t_h_j:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-crossing_ceremony#Controversy

In 1995, a notorious line-crossing ceremony took place on an Australian submarine, HMAS Onslow. Sailors undergoing the ceremony were physically and verbally abused before being subjected to an act called "sump on the rump", where a dark liquid was daubed over each sailor's anus and genitalia. One sailor was then sexually assaulted with a long stick before all sailors undergoing the ceremony were forced to jump overboard until permitted to climb back aboard the submarine. A videotape of the ceremony was obtained by the Nine Network and aired on Australian television. The television coverage provoked widespread criticism, especially when the videotape showed some of the submarine's officers watching the entire proceedings from the conning tower.[6][7]



I guess I am not 'MAN' enough to find that macho... Sounds like something the Village People would find fascinating.



Hazing goes overboard sometimes, then again that was an Australian vessel.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 12:35:13 AM
My comment was very specific.  Please deal with what was written and not what you, yourself, have added  

Your point concerned what others think about JTFers... And I already answered it...

JTF is an organization {and i am not talking as an official representative of JTF} which often takes positions which are not politically correct. We often say things which are not politically correct. But we are a law abiding organization. I have been a JTF member since early in 2008 {now going on 4 1/2 years} and there are things I agree with, and things I dont agree with.

I have spoken out when I feel that some JTFers curse others without sufficient cause. I have spoken out when I feel racism has crept into the conversation and we are straying from what is right according to our Torah {at least according to my understanding}... I have studied Torah extensively for the last four years and am still learning 2-3 hours a day {on top of my busy work schedule}.

The reason i interjected into this thread was because I thought Dan was proper in rebuking and denigrating the perversion which is called an abomination. I myself have a little compassion in that I allow a sinner to repent and I try not to judge, but when a person openly flaunts their sin then it becomes something which needs to be rebuked.

I don't have any complaint about you nor do I want to rub you the wrong way. I hope that we can understand each other and why I responded like I did...
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 21, 2011, 12:41:09 AM
A person who voted for the repeal of this does not deserve to die of AIDS. If you think that someone should die a horrible gruesome death because of some policy that will not hurt you or violate your person, then that is on you Muman.  Normal Fagelstein, YSV, is a vile animal who goes out of his way in everything he does to cause a second Holocaust of the Jewish people.  This animal will get what he has coming to him for actively working to ensure a judeinrein Middle East.  He also participates in Holocaust denying conferences with scum like Ahmedinejad, YSV, and gives anti-Semitic gentiles endless fodder to continue their demonization of the Jewish people and the Zionist Christians who support us.  
    I would not be comfortable being on duty with a man that talked about his 'husband,' but I would not wish AIDS on him and to do so would be a very evil thing in my view.  You do not wish deadly diseases and gruesome deaths on misguided people who have not done, and have no intention of doing you personal harm.  You are walking on a very slippery slope wishing death on misguided people who have no intention of hurting you personally.    Homosexuality is a sinful behavior.  You do not help the homosexual by exposing him or her to extreme malice.  I can't imagine that making any decent person feel good about themselves
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Zelhar on September 21, 2011, 12:51:12 AM
Hazing goes overboard sometimes, then again that was an Australian vessel.
‏You see, the Australians do hazing when they cross the equator south to north, hence their hazing has to reflect that by going totally gay. Whereas the Americans who cross the equator the way it should be, north to south, keep their hazing totally macho.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 12:53:05 AM
A person who voted for the repeal of this does not deserve to die of AIDS. If you think that someone should die a horrible gruesome death because of some policy that will not hurt you or violate your person, then that is on you Muman.  Normal Fagelstein, YSV, is a vile animal who goes out of his way in everything he does to cause a second Holocaust of the Jewish people.  This animal will get what he has coming to him for actively working to ensure a judeinrein Middle East.  He also participates in Holocaust denying conferences with scum like Ahmedinejad, YSV, and gives anti-Semitic gentiles endless fodder to continue their demonization of the Jewish people and the Zionist Christians who support us.  
    I would not be comfortable being on duty with a man that talked about his 'husband,' but I would not wish AIDS on him and to do so would be a very evil thing in my view.  You do not wish deadly diseases and gruesome deaths on misguided people who have not done, and have no intention of doing you personal harm.  You are walking on a very slippery slope wishing death on misguided people who have no intention of hurting you personally.    

Oh stop it... It is not just 'no intention of hurting me personally'... I explained that there are those who are standing up for the moral principle which is laid out in our Torah. This is why it is an issue to me.

The Torah clearly lays out what a sin sexual immorality is. Homosexuality is just one example of the several prohibited relationships which the Torah lays out. But as I have said before I believe that all these prohibited relationships will be permitted by our secular system eventually, including pedophilia and beastiality.

The slippery slope which you talk about is the moral decline which we are witnessing today. That people say "Well, if it doesn't affect me then who cares, let them do what they want to each other.." That alone is the very motto of Sodom & Gemorah. It is also the sin of Schem {who raped Dinah and his people said nothing about it}... Judaism, the religion, is not very big on individual rights. We are a people who are tied together...

As in a boat on the sea, if one person drills a hole in his berth he could say he is just drilling the hole in his berth, but the hole will cause the entire ship to sink. We have a collective responsibility to rebuke our fellow. This too is a commandment of the Torah, the commandment of rebuking your fellow.

http://torah.org/learning/lifeline/5757/kedoshim.html

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"You shall not hate your brother in your heart; you shall surely rebuke your fellow, and not bear sin because of him." [19:17]

We learn several concepts from this verse. We learn a sense of communal responsibility, built upon love and brotherhood. We learn that if your neighbor is doing something wrong, you should not dislike him because of it, but should discuss the issue with him. We have a responsibility to rebuke... but why?

The Iglei Tal explains: "it is the nature of a person, that when he sees his neighbor doing something wrong, he decides that this person is evil. Even if he sees the neighbor later, doing something which could be seen in a positive light, nonetheless he will attribute sinister motives to the neighbor, for he has already stamped him with the seal, 'wicked.'

"However, if he would rebuke him after the first time, he might learn that the neighbor had full justification for his actions, or the neighbor might admit his guilt and promise not to do this again. As a result, when the neighbor did the second action, the first party would judge him favorably.

Assuming a person has been rebuked and yet continues his sinful behavior then we don't have to rebuke him anymore, he has assumed the role of an evil person...



PS: Nobody will argue with you about Normal FINK because he is a piece of drek. His place in gehinnom is waiting.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 21, 2011, 12:53:32 AM
‏You see, the Australians do hazing when they cross the equator south to north, hence their hazing has to reflect that by going totally gay. Whereas the Americans who cross the equator the way it should be, north to south, keep their hazing totally macho.

Mock it if you must
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 12:56:35 AM
From : http://ohr.edu/youth/simcha/5759/devarim/nitzavim.htm

WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT

What a wonderful boat ride, Avi. Smell the salt air. Look at the beautiful view. The gentle ocean breeze and the rocking of the boat are so calming.

Chaim, I'm glad you told me about this. It was a great idea. It's so quiet out here.

Suddenly the noise of an electric power tool shatters the calm. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

What's that noise, Avi?

I don't know Chaim. It sounded like an electric drill or saw.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

There it is again. It's coming from over there. Farther back on the boat. Let's go see what it is.

The two boys go back to investigate and see a very strange sight. Crouching under one of the seats is a man holding a power drill. He is drilling a hole under his seat through the bottom of the boat.

Avi, can you believe it? That man is drilling a hole in the bottom of the boat! This whole boat will sink and we'll have to swim back to shore. This is dangerous business. We had better tell the Captain.

Wait a minute, Chaim. Let's talk to the man first. He probably doesn't realize what he is doing. When we tell him, I'm sure he will stop. Excuse me sir.

Yes. What do you want?

I'm sorry to disturb you. I just wanted to point something out to you. You probably don't realize that if you continue drilling like that, you will put a hole in the bottom of the boat.

Listen young man. I know exactly what I am doing. What I do under my own seat is of no concern to you. I paid full fare for this seat and it is mine for the duration of this trip. You have no right to tell me what I can or cannot do under my seat. Now leave me alone.

You're right Avi, let's go to the Captain.

The boys run to the Captain and report the man. His drilling is stopped before he can put a hole in the boat.

Boys, we don't know how to thank you. You saved the whole boat. I'm going to see to it that you get free passes on this boat ride whenever you want. We owe you a real debt of gratitude. That man was very strange. How could he think that because he bought a seat, he has the right to drill a hole under it? Didn't he feel any connection or responsibility to the other passengers?

Mr. Captain, sir. It's funny you should bring that up. We were just learning about that in school this week.

Really? What class teaches you about boat passengers?

Our class on the weekly Torah portion. Three thousand five hundred years ago, our ancestors were about to enter the Land of Israel. One of the last things they did before entering the land was to form a pact pledging mutual responsibility to one another. Every Jew became responsible for every member of the Jewish people. The deeds of each person, would affect all of the others.

What does that have to do with the boat passengers?

To put it figuratively, since that time the Jewish people have all been in the same boat together. When one of us does something good, we all benefit. On the other hand, if any one of us does something wrong, we all suffer. If any member of our nation violates the Sabbath or eats non-kosher food, he is not only hurting himself, he is hurting the Jewish people as a whole. He might think that observing the mitzvos are his own private business. They are not. They are everyone's business. Just like the man on the boat. We would all suffer from his foolish deed.

Boys, I truly admire you and your people. Communal responsibility is a very important thing. People who bind together can accomplish great things. Much more than separate individuals.

Mr. Captain, sir, we have accomplished great things. The next time we take this boat ride, we can tell you all about our amazing 3500 year history.

Boys, it will be my pleasure. You can sit up in the main cabin with me. People who took the responsibility to save the boat deserve the best seats. I want to hear all about the 3500 year boat-ride of the Jewish people.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 21, 2011, 01:04:39 AM
Oh stop it... It is not just 'no intention of hurting me personally'... I explained that there are those who are standing up for the moral principle which is laid out in our Torah. This is why it is an issue to me.

The Torah clearly lays out what a sin sexual immorality is. Homosexuality is just one example of the several prohibited relationships which the Torah lays out. But as I have said before I believe that all these prohibited relationships will be permitted by our secular system eventually, including pedophilia and beastiality.

The slippery slope which you talk about is the moral decline which we are witnessing today. That people say "Well, if it doesn't affect me then who cares, let them do what they want to each other.." That alone is the very motto of Sodom & Gemorah. It is also the sin of Schem {who raped Dinah and his people said nothing about it}... Judaism, the religion, is not very big on individual rights. We are a people who are tied together...

As in a boat on the sea, if one person drills a hole in his berth he could say he is just drilling the hole in his berth, but the hole will cause the entire ship to sink. We have a collective responsibility to rebuke our fellow. This too is a commandment of the Torah, the commandment of rebuking your fellow.

http://torah.org/learning/lifeline/5757/kedoshim.html

Assuming a person has been rebuked and yet continues his sinful behavior then we don't have to rebuke him anymore, he has assumed the role of an evil person...



PS: Nobody will argue with you about Normal FINK because he is a piece of drek. His place in gehinnom is waiting.


Muman,

You seem to be taking this very personally (which is what you have accused me of).  Incidently, nowhere in the Torah does it tell us that it is "moral" to wish AIDS on homosexual people.  It may very well be moral to curse people who wish to do us harm, as Chaim says, it is required.  I do not believe that every gay or lesbian person is out to do anyone harm.  Sometimes, the greatest harm they do is to themselves.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 01:07:50 AM
Muman,

You seem to be taking this very personally (which is what you have accused me of).  Be well and good night

Thank you... You too..
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Rubystars on September 21, 2011, 08:21:33 AM
I think it's best to try to help people who are misguided rather than harming them. I don't consider homosexuals to be dangerous but I don't think they should be open in the military either. It creates first and foremost a morale problem for the straight soldiers.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on September 21, 2011, 08:56:23 AM

I would kiss his belly with a tire iron.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Maimonides on September 21, 2011, 01:35:00 PM
that's an old hazing rite of passage for crossing the equator for the first time. Its not "homosexual" in any way.


Only someone in denial can say that men dressing as women, being anally penetrated, and having to stick their face in another man's crotch is not homosexual.

The sad fact is this is "tradition" involves homosexuality and paganism (they are worshiping the idol god neptune), and are the signs of a country that is on the wrong path.

Those who go through the tradition either because of peer pressure, physical force, and brainwash naivety that this is a "character building experience", don't want to admit that they have been made fools of and so the tradition will continue until enough people wake up to the madness.

NO Jew or Righteous Gentile should allow themselves to by physically or spiritually raped by these "traditional ceremonies"!
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: syyuge on September 21, 2011, 06:24:19 PM
Empires have fallen due to perversions.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 21, 2011, 10:02:05 PM

Only someone in denial can say that men dressing as women, being anally penetrated, and having to stick their face in another man's crotch is not homosexual.

The sad fact is this is "tradition" involves homosexuality and paganism (they are worshiping the idol G-d neptune), and are the signs of a country that is on the wrong path.

Those who go through the tradition either because of peer pressure, physical force, and brainwash naivety that this is a "character building experience", don't want to admit that they have been made fools of and so the tradition will continue until enough people wake up to the madness.

NO Jew or Righteous Gentile should allow themselves to by physically or spiritually raped by these "traditional ceremonies"!

its been on the wrong track even before it's founding then because those traditions are old. Abuses happen everywhere. "Anal penetration" is not part of it. If you think they are seriously worshipping neptune, then you are just ignorant.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 21, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
its been on the wrong track even before it's founding then because those traditions are old. Abuses happen everywhere. "Anal penetration" is not part of it. If you think they are seriously worshipping neptune, then you are just ignorant.

What do you mean 'seriously worshiping neptune'? ... Any appearance of worshiping an idol is absolutely forbidden.. Especially when it is 'worshiped' in its intended manner... A JEW is expressly forbidden from doing this..



Here is a Daf Yomi on Talmud Mesechet Avodah Zara {Idol/strange worship}:



http://www.shemayisrael.com/dafyomi2/azarah/insites/az-dt-12.htm

1) HALACHAH: DRINKING WATER FROM A WATER FOUNTAIN STATUE

    OPINIONS: The Gemara discusses actions that one is prohibited from doing because those actions resemble forms of idol worship. One of these actions involves drinking water that comes from the mouth of a statue. Idolaters would build water fountains in the shape of statues, with water coming out of the mouth of the statue. The Gemara says that a person is not allowed to place his mouth on the mouth of the statues in the cities in order to drink the water, because it appears as though he is kissing the Avodah Zarah. The Gemara does not specify whether this prohibition applies to statues which themselves are used for Avodah Zarah, or whether it applies even to ordinary water fountain statues.

        (a) The RIF, ROSH, and TUR (YD 150) record the prohibition of the Gemara without specifying that the fountain itself must be one which is used for Avodah Zarah.

        According to this opinion, though, why does the Gemara specifically say this Halachah with regard to statues in the cities? The TAZ answers that it seems that the Gemara is giving a stringency by mentioning statues in the city, for such statues are commonly built merely for beauty and not for Avodah Zarah. (In contrast, statues in villages were usually built for idol worship; see SHULCHAN ARUCH YD 141:1, based on the Mishnah on 44b). The Gemara is telling us that one may not drink from statues even in the cities.

        (b) The RAMBAM (Hilchos Avodas Kochavim 3:8), SEMAG, and SHULCHAN ARUCH (YD 150:3) specify that this prohibition pertains only to fountains which are situated in front of an Avodah Zarah. (Obviously, it applies as well when the statue itself is an idol.) The BACH cites a proof to this opinion. Our Gemara discusses three other cases: crouching in front of an Avodah Zarah in order to remove a thorn, picking up money in front of an Avodah Zarah, and drinking from a stream which lies in front of an Avodah Zarah. After explaining the necessity to mention all three cases, the Gemara asks why do we also need the case of the water fountain. RASHI (12b, DH Partzufos) explains that from the case of the stream we already see that even when someone is very thirsty he is not allowed to drink from that water, and thus what more can the case of the water fountain be teaching us? The Gemara answers that this case was said merely to introduce the next part of the Beraisa.

        According to the opinion that the prohibition applies even when the statue is *not* in front of Avodah Zarah, why does the Gemara say that there is no intrinsic novelty in this case? This case *is* unique in that it forbids drinking from the fountain even when there is no Avodah Zarah present, unlike the other cases! It must be that this prohibition applies only when the fountain is in front of an Avodah Zarah.

    HALACHAH: The Bach concludes that the Halachic opinion is that of the Rambam, and as recorded by the Shulchan Aruch. However, he maintains that someone who is stringent upon himself and does not drink from any water fountain statue will receive a blessing. This is also the opinion of the SHACH. The TAZ also writes that one should be stringent and follow the opinion of the Tur. However, he seems to say that it is more than just a stringency, but that it is the Halachah, but he does not explain why. Perhaps his reasoning is that of the Bach in his Hagahos to the Rif, where the Bach points out that since there are many Rishonim who prohibit drinking from such a fountain even when it is not used for Avodah Zarah, and since our Gemara does not mention that the statue must be in front of an Avodah Zarah, the Halachah would seem to follow the view of the Tur. (Y. Montrose)

2) MUST ONE GIVE UP HIS LIFE FOR "MAR'IS HA'AYIN" OF IDOLATRY?

    OPINIONS: The Beraisa lists several actions that one is prohibited from doing because those actions resemble forms of idol worship. These actions are: crouching in front of an Avodah Zarah in order to remove a thorn, picking up money in front of an Avodah Zarah, and drinking from a stream which lies in front of an Avodah Zarah. The Gemara states that if the Beraisa had not taught us the law in the case of the stream, we might have thought that it is permitted to drink from the stream in front of an Avodah Zarah when not drinking will endanger his life. The Beraisa is teaching that it is nevertheless prohibited.

   We know that the sin of Avodah Zarah is one of three sins for which a Jew must die in order not to transgress. The Gemara here seems to be saying that one must die even in order to avoid transgressing "Mar'is ha'Ayin" (doing a permitted action which appears to be an act of transgression) of Avodah Zarah. Is this true?

        (a) The RASHBA, TUR (YD 150) and others state that the simple understanding of the Gemara is that indeed one must sacrifice his life in order not to do even an act of "Mar'is ha'Ayin" of Avodah Zarah. This also appears to be the intention of RASHI (DH Aval). The BI'UR HA'GRA (ibid.) cites another proof to this opinion. The Gemara in Sanhedrin (75a) discusses a case in which a man became sick from his lust for a woman. The doctors said that he would recover even if she would consent merely to talk to him from behind a wall. The Rabanan rule in such a case that it is better for the man to die than to have the woman talk with him. There are two opinions there regarding the status of the woman; one opinion states that she was married, and the other states that she was single. The Gemara states that according to the opinion that she was married, we can understand the ruling that it is better that he die than have her talk with him (since she is an Eshes Ish and would fall into the category of the Isur of Arayos, one of the categories of transgression for which a person must die in order to avoid transgressing). The Vilna Ga'on asks why is that opinion, that she was married, any more understandable than the opinion that she was single? According to the Ramban and many others, the prohibition there would only have been an Isur d'Rabanan! Why, then, should the man be left to die? It must be that even for a Rabbinic prohibition (in one of the three categories of sins of "Yehareg v'Al Ya'avor"), the rule that one must die and not transgress applies. Likewise, one must die and not transgress the Rabbinic prohibition of "Mar'is ha'Ayin" of Avodah Zarah.

        (b) The RAN also writes that this is the straightforward meaning of the Gemara, but he qualifies that the requirement to die and not transgress does not apply in all cases of "Mar'is ha'Ayin," but only in certain cases. In the case of drinking from a stream, where the person looks as though he is bowing down to the Avodah Zarah, one is required to give up his life and not transgress "Mar'is ha'Ayin" of Avodah Zarah. However, in cases of "Mar'is ha'Ayin" where the person's act does not appear to be such a blatant act of idol worship (for example, travelling to a city in which there happens to be an idolatrous festival being celebrated), a person is not required to give up his life.

        (c) However, the Ran seems to conclude that even the case of drinking from a stream in front of an Avodah Zarah is not a case of "Yehareg v'Al Ya'avor." How, though, does the Ran understand the Gemara? He understands that the Gemara is saying that even though the person is very thirsty and might *possibly* die before he finds water, he is still not allowed to drink the water. However, if he *knows* that he will not find any other water and that he will certainly die, then he is allowed to drink the water. He quotes this opinion as the opinion of RABEINU ASHER. This opinion is also cited by the REMA (YD 150:3).

        The MEKOR MAYIM CHAYIM (ibid.) explains how the Ran will answer the proof of the Vilna Ga'on. In the case in Sanhedrin, the person was interested in doing more than just talking to the woman. The Chachamim said that, in general, a man should not talk in such a context to a married woman since it might lead to an actual transgression of Giluy Arayos. The case here is totally different, as the person involved has absolutely no interest in doing the actual sin of Avodah Zarah. Therefore, the Chachamim did not include this act in the category of "Yehareg v'Al Ya'avor." (Y. Montrose)
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 21, 2011, 11:02:56 PM
What do you mean 'seriously worshiping neptune'? ... Any appearance of worshiping an idol is absolutely forbidden.. Especially when it is 'worshiped' in its intended manner... A JEW is expressly forbidden from doing this..



Here is a Daf Yomi on Talmud Mesechet Avodah Zara {Idol/strange worship}:



http://www.shemayisrael.com/dafyomi2/azarah/insites/az-dt-12.htm

1) HALACHAH: DRINKING WATER FROM A WATER FOUNTAIN STATUE

    OPINIONS: The Gemara discusses actions that one is prohibited from doing because those actions resemble forms of idol worship. One of these actions involves drinking water that comes from the mouth of a statue. Idolaters would build water fountains in the shape of statues, with water coming out of the mouth of the statue. The Gemara says that a person is not allowed to place his mouth on the mouth of the statues in the cities in order to drink the water, because it appears as though he is kissing the Avodah Zarah. The Gemara does not specify whether this prohibition applies to statues which themselves are used for Avodah Zarah, or whether it applies even to ordinary water fountain statues.

        (a) The RIF, ROSH, and TUR (YD 150) record the prohibition of the Gemara without specifying that the fountain itself must be one which is used for Avodah Zarah.

        According to this opinion, though, why does the Gemara specifically say this Halachah with regard to statues in the cities? The TAZ answers that it seems that the Gemara is giving a stringency by mentioning statues in the city, for such statues are commonly built merely for beauty and not for Avodah Zarah. (In contrast, statues in villages were usually built for idol worship; see SHULCHAN ARUCH YD 141:1, based on the Mishnah on 44b). The Gemara is telling us that one may not drink from statues even in the cities.

        (b) The RAMBAM (Hilchos Avodas Kochavim 3:8), SEMAG, and SHULCHAN ARUCH (YD 150:3) specify that this prohibition pertains only to fountains which are situated in front of an Avodah Zarah. (Obviously, it applies as well when the statue itself is an idol.) The BACH cites a proof to this opinion. Our Gemara discusses three other cases: crouching in front of an Avodah Zarah in order to remove a thorn, picking up money in front of an Avodah Zarah, and drinking from a stream which lies in front of an Avodah Zarah. After explaining the necessity to mention all three cases, the Gemara asks why do we also need the case of the water fountain. RASHI (12b, DH Partzufos) explains that from the case of the stream we already see that even when someone is very thirsty he is not allowed to drink from that water, and thus what more can the case of the water fountain be teaching us? The Gemara answers that this case was said merely to introduce the next part of the Beraisa.

        According to the opinion that the prohibition applies even when the statue is *not* in front of Avodah Zarah, why does the Gemara say that there is no intrinsic novelty in this case? This case *is* unique in that it forbids drinking from the fountain even when there is no Avodah Zarah present, unlike the other cases! It must be that this prohibition applies only when the fountain is in front of an Avodah Zarah.

    HALACHAH: The Bach concludes that the Halachic opinion is that of the Rambam, and as recorded by the Shulchan Aruch. However, he maintains that someone who is stringent upon himself and does not drink from any water fountain statue will receive a blessing. This is also the opinion of the SHACH. The TAZ also writes that one should be stringent and follow the opinion of the Tur. However, he seems to say that it is more than just a stringency, but that it is the Halachah, but he does not explain why. Perhaps his reasoning is that of the Bach in his Hagahos to the Rif, where the Bach points out that since there are many Rishonim who prohibit drinking from such a fountain even when it is not used for Avodah Zarah, and since our Gemara does not mention that the statue must be in front of an Avodah Zarah, the Halachah would seem to follow the view of the Tur. (Y. Montrose)

2) MUST ONE GIVE UP HIS LIFE FOR "MAR'IS HA'AYIN" OF IDOLATRY?

    OPINIONS: The Beraisa lists several actions that one is prohibited from doing because those actions resemble forms of idol worship. These actions are: crouching in front of an Avodah Zarah in order to remove a thorn, picking up money in front of an Avodah Zarah, and drinking from a stream which lies in front of an Avodah Zarah. The Gemara states that if the Beraisa had not taught us the law in the case of the stream, we might have thought that it is permitted to drink from the stream in front of an Avodah Zarah when not drinking will endanger his life. The Beraisa is teaching that it is nevertheless prohibited.

   We know that the sin of Avodah Zarah is one of three sins for which a Jew must die in order not to transgress. The Gemara here seems to be saying that one must die even in order to avoid transgressing "Mar'is ha'Ayin" (doing a permitted action which appears to be an act of transgression) of Avodah Zarah. Is this true?

        (a) The RASHBA, TUR (YD 150) and others state that the simple understanding of the Gemara is that indeed one must sacrifice his life in order not to do even an act of "Mar'is ha'Ayin" of Avodah Zarah. This also appears to be the intention of RASHI (DH Aval). The BI'UR HA'GRA (ibid.) cites another proof to this opinion. The Gemara in Sanhedrin (75a) discusses a case in which a man became sick from his lust for a woman. The doctors said that he would recover even if she would consent merely to talk to him from behind a wall. The Rabanan rule in such a case that it is better for the man to die than to have the woman talk with him. There are two opinions there regarding the status of the woman; one opinion states that she was married, and the other states that she was single. The Gemara states that according to the opinion that she was married, we can understand the ruling that it is better that he die than have her talk with him (since she is an Eshes Ish and would fall into the category of the Isur of Arayos, one of the categories of transgression for which a person must die in order to avoid transgressing). The Vilna Ga'on asks why is that opinion, that she was married, any more understandable than the opinion that she was single? According to the Ramban and many others, the prohibition there would only have been an Isur d'Rabanan! Why, then, should the man be left to die? It must be that even for a Rabbinic prohibition (in one of the three categories of sins of "Yehareg v'Al Ya'avor"), the rule that one must die and not transgress applies. Likewise, one must die and not transgress the Rabbinic prohibition of "Mar'is ha'Ayin" of Avodah Zarah.

        (b) The RAN also writes that this is the straightforward meaning of the Gemara, but he qualifies that the requirement to die and not transgress does not apply in all cases of "Mar'is ha'Ayin," but only in certain cases. In the case of drinking from a stream, where the person looks as though he is bowing down to the Avodah Zarah, one is required to give up his life and not transgress "Mar'is ha'Ayin" of Avodah Zarah. However, in cases of "Mar'is ha'Ayin" where the person's act does not appear to be such a blatant act of idol worship (for example, travelling to a city in which there happens to be an idolatrous festival being celebrated), a person is not required to give up his life.

        (c) However, the Ran seems to conclude that even the case of drinking from a stream in front of an Avodah Zarah is not a case of "Yehareg v'Al Ya'avor." How, though, does the Ran understand the Gemara? He understands that the Gemara is saying that even though the person is very thirsty and might *possibly* die before he finds water, he is still not allowed to drink the water. However, if he *knows* that he will not find any other water and that he will certainly die, then he is allowed to drink the water. He quotes this opinion as the opinion of RABEINU ASHER. This opinion is also cited by the REMA (YD 150:3).

        The MEKOR MAYIM CHAYIM (ibid.) explains how the Ran will answer the proof of the Vilna Ga'on. In the case in Sanhedrin, the person was interested in doing more than just talking to the woman. The Chachamim said that, in general, a man should not talk in such a context to a married woman since it might lead to an actual transgression of Giluy Arayos. The case here is totally different, as the person involved has absolutely no interest in doing the actual sin of Avodah Zarah. Therefore, the Chachamim did not include this act in the category of "Yehareg v'Al Ya'avor." (Y. Montrose)

being hazed by a guy dressed in a costume is not construed by any participant as "worship"
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 22, 2011, 12:10:10 AM
No matter what you say it sure has the appearance of idol worship. The wiki page has the name of the avodah zarah 22 times...
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 22, 2011, 12:35:37 AM
No matter what you say it sure has the appearance of idol worship. The wiki page has the name of the avodah zarah 22 times...

no, it has King Neptune. no deity is called king neptune. Only the guy at that ceremony is called that. Sorry Muman, your ignorance of the tradition/assumption of idol worship does not mean that idol worship is actually happening. Every single person in the US navy who crosses the equator goes through that rite of passage.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 22, 2011, 01:29:04 AM
no, it has King Neptune. no deity is called king neptune. Only the guy at that ceremony is called that. Sorry Muman, your ignorance of the tradition/assumption of idol worship does not mean that idol worship is actually happening. Every single person in the US navy who crosses the equator goes through that rite of passage.

Do you know where the concept of king neptu comes from?

Here is a quote from wikipedia...

Quote
Neptune (Latin: Neptūnus) was the god of water and the sea[1] in Roman mythology and religion. He is analogous with, but not identical to, the Greek god Poseidon. In the Greek-influenced tradition, Neptune was the brother of Jupiter and Pluto, each of them presiding over one of the three realms of the universe, Heaven, Earth and the Netherworld. Depictions of Neptune in Roman mosaics, especially those of North Africa, are influenced by Hellenistic conventions.[2]

Unlike the Greek Oceanus, titan of the world-ocean, Neptune was associated as well with fresh water. Georges Dumézil suggested[3] that for Latins, who were not a seafaring people, the primary identification of Neptune was with freshwater springs. Like Poseidon, Neptune was worshipped by the Romans also as a god of horses, under the name Neptunus Equester, a patron of horse-racing.[4]

So maybe you just want to think it is a silly tradition... But most traditions, including knocking on wood, kissing the frog, and others... These all have pagan and idol worship associated with them...

You are free to disagree, but don't suggest that I am ignorant...

Thank you..

Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Rubystars on September 22, 2011, 10:50:17 AM
I think Muman is right on this one. Even if not done seriously it's still a pagan-style ceremony. Christians shouldn't do these types of things either.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 22, 2011, 12:56:26 PM
I think Muman is right on this one. Even if not done seriously it's still a pagan-style ceremony. Christians shouldn't do these types of things either.

Well that's too bad. Every single Jew, Christian, or even Muslim who has ever served in the US Navy and has crossed the equator has gone through this. Yes, even Rabbis who are chaplains. It's not pagan at all. You worship nothing. This is absurd. Where is the outcry from all the Navy personnell thatvare appalled by pagan practices going on?
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 22, 2011, 01:11:49 PM
What's amazing to me, Muman, is that people that are out there, actively working to destroy JTF, like Joshua Rosenberg from australia, who has made that his life's work, and you're offended by this nonsense..but those threads about those who want to see JTF 6 feet under, those are bothersome to you
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Maimonides on September 22, 2011, 02:13:28 PM
Well that's too bad. Every single Jew, Christian, or even Muslim who has ever served in the US Navy and has crossed the equator has gone through this. Yes, even Rabbis who are chaplains. It's not pagan at all. You worship nothing. This is absurd. Where is the outcry from all the Navy personnell thatvare appalled by pagan practices going on?

Further reason why Jews and Righteous Gentiles should not join the U.S. military. There is no outcry, because of peer pressure and the fear of retaliation if any of the "pollywogs" get out of line.

The only point in these "traditions" is to humiliate and force people to degrade themselves. Once people have degraded themselves they are more likely to do whatever they are told even when its wrong.


(http://acreativemoment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/pollywogun71.jpg)
Imagine a "Rabbi" having to go through this! What a Chillul Hashem!

With "traditions" like these no wonder there were 2,410 reported Sexual Assaults in the U.S. military. Who knows how many unreported cases of Sexual Assault happen in the U.S. military.
 
http://www.sapr.mil/media/pdf/reports/DoD_Fiscal_Year_2010_Annual_Report_on_Sexual_Assault_in_the_Military.pdf (http://www.sapr.mil/media/pdf/reports/DoD_Fiscal_Year_2010_Annual_Report_on_Sexual_Assault_in_the_Military.pdf) pg 64 is where the statistics begin

Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 22, 2011, 02:47:10 PM
What's amazing to me, Muman, is that people that are out there, actively working to destroy JTF, like Joshua Rosenberg from australia, who has made that his life's work, and you're offended by this nonsense..but those threads about those who want to see JTF 6 feet under, those are bothersome to you

You give them too much credit... They are NOTHING and they will NEVER BE anything. I have no fear of them. Come on, you really are afraid of Joshua Rosenberg? You seem to have a fascination with him? Why is that?

Morality as taught from the Torah is something worth standing up for... Gossiping about trolls is foolish..

Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Daniel Michael ben Avraham on September 22, 2011, 03:41:40 PM
All of this stuff with the government doing things contrary to the will of the people is disgusting as is homosexuality.  It makes me want to puke.  The homosexual agenda is working its way through the fabric of this country and destroying it form within.  The clock is ticking!
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: syyuge on September 22, 2011, 04:21:45 PM
I was thinking that firstly some arabi or afghani navy will accept such laws, then U.S. will follow the suit. However 2012 election is coming and the down sliding graph of eurocommunism may go up again.  
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Daniel Michael ben Avraham on September 22, 2011, 04:35:50 PM
I was thinking that firstly some arabi or afghani navy will accept such laws, then U.S. will follow the suit. However 2012 is coming and the down sliding graph of eurocommunism may go up again. 

You are kidding about Afghanistan right?  That country is full of homosexual depravity.  It is down right part of their accepted culture.  It makes me sick to my stomach!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1BNeXTLHoY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06FeXxoWcDg
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 22, 2011, 08:16:28 PM
Further reason why Jews and Righteous Gentiles should not join the U.S. military. There is no outcry, because of peer pressure and the fear of retaliation if any of the "pollywogs" get out of line.

The only point in these "traditions" is to humiliate and force people to degrade themselves. Once people have degraded themselves they are more likely to do whatever they are told even when its wrong.


(http://acreativemoment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/pollywogun71.jpg)
Imagine a "Rabbi" having to go through this! What a Chillul Hashem!

With "traditions" like these no wonder there were 2,410 reported Sexual Assaults in the U.S. military. Who knows how many unreported cases of Sexual Assault happen in the U.S. military.
 
http://www.sapr.mil/media/pdf/reports/DoD_Fiscal_Year_2010_Annual_Report_on_Sexual_Assault_in_the_Military.pdf (http://www.sapr.mil/media/pdf/reports/DoD_Fiscal_Year_2010_Annual_Report_on_Sexual_Assault_in_the_Military.pdf) pg 64 is where the statistics begin



so peer pressure keeps them from saying how bad it is after they retire?
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 22, 2011, 08:18:09 PM
Further reason why Jews and Righteous Gentiles should not join the U.S. military. There is no outcry, because of peer pressure and the fear of retaliation if any of the "pollywogs" get out of line.

The only point in these "traditions" is to humiliate and force people to degrade themselves. Once people have degraded themselves they are more likely to do whatever they are told even when its wrong.


(http://acreativemoment.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/pollywogun71.jpg)
Imagine a "Rabbi" having to go through this! What a Chillul Hashem!

With "traditions" like these no wonder there were 2,410 reported Sexual Assaults in the U.S. military. Who knows how many unreported cases of Sexual Assault happen in the U.S. military.
 
http://www.sapr.mil/media/pdf/reports/DoD_Fiscal_Year_2010_Annual_Report_on_Sexual_Assault_in_the_Military.pdf (http://www.sapr.mil/media/pdf/reports/DoD_Fiscal_Year_2010_Annual_Report_on_Sexual_Assault_in_the_Military.pdf) pg 64 is where the statistics begin



all those navy guys that took out bin laden went through this too. I know, they are a bunch of homosexual pagans.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Rubystars on September 22, 2011, 08:35:45 PM
If they were homosexual and/or pagan what does that have to do with whether they took out Bin Laden or not? They might have been one, both or neither.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: cjd on September 22, 2011, 08:41:48 PM
The military is made up of people from all walks of life... I am sure that if a case by case study was done at the end of the day we would see that people from every crazy lifestyle  were present and accounted for... This said when I go to bed each night I still thank G-d that the American military is keeping an eye on things for me... America needs its best  people joining the military... Advising people not to join because of some politically correct policy and behavior today is not an option... I am sure that there are things going on that would be best kept quiet however all in all I am sure that activity involves only a small percentage of the total military picture.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Maimonides on September 22, 2011, 09:09:45 PM
The military is made up of people from all walks of life... I am sure that if a case by case study was done at the end of the day we would see that people from every crazy lifestyle  were present and accounted for... This said when I go to bed each night I still thank G-d that the American military is keeping an eye on things for me... America needs its best  people joining the military... Advising people not to join because of some politically correct policy and behavior today is not an option... I am sure that there are things going on that would be best kept quiet however all in all I am sure that activity involves only a small percentage of the total military picture.

The U.S. military is doing nothing to protect America, and is following orders from politicians who are hurting America. Right now the U.S. military is giving military training to Muslims from Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan etc...
U.S. troops are not allowed to annihilate Iraninan backed militias in Iraq, and are not allowed to annihilate the Taliban in Afghanistan nor doing anything about Pakistan supporting attacks on the U.S. (such as last weeks attack on the Kabul embassy.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 22, 2011, 10:10:59 PM
The U.S. military is doing nothing to protect America, and is following orders from politicians who are hurting America. Right now the U.S. military is giving military training to Muslims from Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan etc...
U.S. troops are not allowed to annihilate Iraninan backed militias in Iraq, and are not allowed to annihilate the Taliban in Afghanistan nor doing anything about Pakistan supporting attacks on the U.S. (such as last weeks attack on the Kabul embassy.

right, absolutely nothing at all.  ???
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 22, 2011, 11:22:51 PM
You give them too much credit... They are NOTHING and they will NEVER BE anything. I have no fear of them. Come on, you really are afraid of Joshua Rosenberg? You seem to have a fascination with him? Why is that?

Morality as taught from the Torah is something worth standing up for... Gossiping about trolls is foolish..



Muman,

For as bright as you are, sometimes you read so incredibly poorly.  You wrote, "Come on, you really are afraid of Joshua Rosenberg? You seem to have a fascination with him? Why is that?"  This is almost, but not quite psychotic on your part.  I didn't say anything at any point that would indicaate ANYTHING that you just asserted I, allegedly, think or feel
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 22, 2011, 11:36:30 PM
Muman,

For as bright as you are, sometimes you read so incredibly poorly.  You wrote, "Come on, you really are afraid of Joshua Rosenberg? You seem to have a fascination with him? Why is that?"  This is almost, but not quite psychotic on your part.  I didn't say anything at any point that would indicaate ANYTHING that you just asserted I, allegedly, think or feel

Well, you keep on mentioning him... You seem to think he is a big issue for JTF also... I've seen trolls come and go...

According to the search I just did you mentioned him four times, including one question to Chaim...

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,57410.msg518662.html#msg518662

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,57310.msg518711.html#msg518711

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,53827.msg518945.html#msg518945

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,57475.msg519459.html#msg519459

I don't know if you are fascinated with him or were just asking because you are interested... Im sorry if it seemed I was making an accusation... I was trying to determine why the topic of Joshua keeps coming up...

Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 22, 2011, 11:56:14 PM
Well, you keep on mentioning him... You seem to think he is a big issue for JTF also... I've seen trolls come and go...

According to the search I just did you mentioned him three times, including one question to Chaim...

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,57410.msg518662.html#msg518662

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,57310.msg518711.html#msg518711

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,53827.msg518945.html#msg518945

I don't know if you are fascinated with him or were just asking because you are interested... Im sorry if it seemed I was making an accusation... I was trying to determine why the topic of Joshua keeps coming up...



I mentioned him because:

1.  Chaim has mentioned him AND he is all over YT constantly trashing JTF, making tens, perhaps a hundred videos, character assassinating JTF.  Furthermore, your comments, have zero basis in fact.  I'm not even going to repeat them, because that's how a mistruth becomes perceived as a truth.  PLEASE read carefully before you falsely paraphrase and misascribe meaning to the words of others.  You are doing this a lot lately--a lot
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 23, 2011, 12:06:21 AM
I mentioned him because:

1.  Chaim has mentioned him AND he is all over YT constantly trashing JTF, making tens, perhaps a hundred videos, character assassinating JTF.  Furthermore, your comments, have zero basis in fact.  I'm not even going to repeat them, because that's how a mistruth becomes perceived as a truth.  PLEASE read carefully before you falsely paraphrase and misascribe meaning to the words of others.  You are doing this a lot lately--a lot

Oh really... Where did you learn to be so freakin rude?

Please show me where I misascribe meaning to the words of others...

Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 23, 2011, 12:12:05 AM
Oh really... Where did you learn to be so freakin rude?

Please show me where I misascribe meaning to the words of others...



Uhh Michael,

It's not RUDE, it's the truth.   READ carefully and THINK before you paraphrase others.  It's RUDE of you to be so 'freakin' thoughtless in your endless mischaracterization of what other people actually write. THAT'S RUDE.  Do me a favor and don't tell me what I wrote, if you don't have a clue as to what I actually wrote.  I'm not responding to you further vis-a-vis this behavior.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 23, 2011, 12:15:01 AM
Uhh Michael,

It's not RUDE, it's the truth.   READ carefully and THINK before you paraphrase others.  It's RUDE of you to be so 'freakin' thoughtless in your endless mischaracterization of what other people actually write. THAT'S RUDE.  Do me a favor and don't tell me what I wrote, if you don't have a clue as to what I actually wrote.  I'm not responding to you further vis-a-vis this behavior.

You are obviously a troublemaker. I have not 'told you what you wrote'. You have a problem with me because I smell a troll in your writing. You have constantly had problems with people who have been around here much longer than you have. Dan Ben Noach is an administrator here and you attacked him for his opinion the other day. When I defended him you attempted to defame me.

I am nearing the end of the rope of my patients with you... I don't need another enemy but if you want to be my enemy then keep it up...

If you want to discuss this then please, show me what you are talking abut 'misascribing' things to you and others... Otherwise you are just making stuff up..
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Maimonides on September 23, 2011, 12:56:49 PM
right, absolutely nothing at all.  ???

Please tell us what the U.S. military has done to protect U.S. borders from armed drug cartels and Islamic terrorists from entering and threatening the American people?

Please tell us what the U.S. military has done to stop North Korea and Pakistan from spreading nuclear technology to Iran and supporting terrorists that attack the U.S.?


Instead of sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. should have troops on the borders to battle the drug cartels, and prevent terrorists from crossing into the U.S.

Meanwhile the U.S. military does nothing to stop North Korea and Pakistan from spreading nuclear technology to Iran.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 23, 2011, 09:12:43 PM
Please tell us what the U.S. military has done to protect U.S. borders from armed drug cartels and Islamic terrorists from entering and threatening the American people?

Please tell us what the U.S. military has done to stop North Korea and Pakistan from spreading nuclear technology to Iran and supporting terrorists that attack the U.S.?


Instead of sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. should have troops on the borders to battle the drug cartels, and prevent terrorists from crossing into the U.S.

Meanwhile the U.S. military does nothing to stop North Korea and Pakistan from spreading nuclear technology to Iran.


The US Border Patrol guards the border, not the military. The US military is also not an anti smuggling organization. Should they just attack nuke armed pakistan and north korea?
guarding borders is not the Military's job...that would be the Border Patrol's job.  Do you want the US military to attack north korea and japan?
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 23, 2011, 09:13:24 PM
What do you mean 'seriously worshiping neptune'? ... Any appearance of worshiping an idol is absolutely forbidden.. Especially when it is 'worshiped' in its intended manner... A JEW is expressly forbidden from doing this..



Here is a Daf Yomi on Talmud Mesechet Avodah Zara {Idol/strange worship}:



http://www.shemayisrael.com/dafyomi2/azarah/insites/az-dt-12.htm

1) HALACHAH: DRINKING WATER FROM A WATER FOUNTAIN STATUE

    OPINIONS: The Gemara discusses actions that one is prohibited from doing because those actions resemble forms of idol worship. One of these actions involves drinking water that comes from the mouth of a statue. Idolaters would build water fountains in the shape of statues, with water coming out of the mouth of the statue. The Gemara says that a person is not allowed to place his mouth on the mouth of the statues in the cities in order to drink the water, because it appears as though he is kissing the Avodah Zarah. The Gemara does not specify whether this prohibition applies to statues which themselves are used for Avodah Zarah, or whether it applies even to ordinary water fountain statues.

        (a) The RIF, ROSH, and TUR (YD 150) record the prohibition of the Gemara without specifying that the fountain itself must be one which is used for Avodah Zarah.

        According to this opinion, though, why does the Gemara specifically say this Halachah with regard to statues in the cities? The TAZ answers that it seems that the Gemara is giving a stringency by mentioning statues in the city, for such statues are commonly built merely for beauty and not for Avodah Zarah. (In contrast, statues in villages were usually built for idol worship; see SHULCHAN ARUCH YD 141:1, based on the Mishnah on 44b). The Gemara is telling us that one may not drink from statues even in the cities.

        (b) The RAMBAM (Hilchos Avodas Kochavim 3:8), SEMAG, and SHULCHAN ARUCH (YD 150:3) specify that this prohibition pertains only to fountains which are situated in front of an Avodah Zarah. (Obviously, it applies as well when the statue itself is an idol.) The BACH cites a proof to this opinion. Our Gemara discusses three other cases: crouching in front of an Avodah Zarah in order to remove a thorn, picking up money in front of an Avodah Zarah, and drinking from a stream which lies in front of an Avodah Zarah. After explaining the necessity to mention all three cases, the Gemara asks why do we also need the case of the water fountain. RASHI (12b, DH Partzufos) explains that from the case of the stream we already see that even when someone is very thirsty he is not allowed to drink from that water, and thus what more can the case of the water fountain be teaching us? The Gemara answers that this case was said merely to introduce the next part of the Beraisa.

        According to the opinion that the prohibition applies even when the statue is *not* in front of Avodah Zarah, why does the Gemara say that there is no intrinsic novelty in this case? This case *is* unique in that it forbids drinking from the fountain even when there is no Avodah Zarah present, unlike the other cases! It must be that this prohibition applies only when the fountain is in front of an Avodah Zarah.

    HALACHAH: The Bach concludes that the Halachic opinion is that of the Rambam, and as recorded by the Shulchan Aruch. However, he maintains that someone who is stringent upon himself and does not drink from any water fountain statue will receive a blessing. This is also the opinion of the SHACH. The TAZ also writes that one should be stringent and follow the opinion of the Tur. However, he seems to say that it is more than just a stringency, but that it is the Halachah, but he does not explain why. Perhaps his reasoning is that of the Bach in his Hagahos to the Rif, where the Bach points out that since there are many Rishonim who prohibit drinking from such a fountain even when it is not used for Avodah Zarah, and since our Gemara does not mention that the statue must be in front of an Avodah Zarah, the Halachah would seem to follow the view of the Tur. (Y. Montrose)

2) MUST ONE GIVE UP HIS LIFE FOR "MAR'IS HA'AYIN" OF IDOLATRY?

    OPINIONS: The Beraisa lists several actions that one is prohibited from doing because those actions resemble forms of idol worship. These actions are: crouching in front of an Avodah Zarah in order to remove a thorn, picking up money in front of an Avodah Zarah, and drinking from a stream which lies in front of an Avodah Zarah. The Gemara states that if the Beraisa had not taught us the law in the case of the stream, we might have thought that it is permitted to drink from the stream in front of an Avodah Zarah when not drinking will endanger his life. The Beraisa is teaching that it is nevertheless prohibited.

   We know that the sin of Avodah Zarah is one of three sins for which a Jew must die in order not to transgress. The Gemara here seems to be saying that one must die even in order to avoid transgressing "Mar'is ha'Ayin" (doing a permitted action which appears to be an act of transgression) of Avodah Zarah. Is this true?

        (a) The RASHBA, TUR (YD 150) and others state that the simple understanding of the Gemara is that indeed one must sacrifice his life in order not to do even an act of "Mar'is ha'Ayin" of Avodah Zarah. This also appears to be the intention of RASHI (DH Aval). The BI'UR HA'GRA (ibid.) cites another proof to this opinion. The Gemara in Sanhedrin (75a) discusses a case in which a man became sick from his lust for a woman. The doctors said that he would recover even if she would consent merely to talk to him from behind a wall. The Rabanan rule in such a case that it is better for the man to die than to have the woman talk with him. There are two opinions there regarding the status of the woman; one opinion states that she was married, and the other states that she was single. The Gemara states that according to the opinion that she was married, we can understand the ruling that it is better that he die than have her talk with him (since she is an Eshes Ish and would fall into the category of the Isur of Arayos, one of the categories of transgression for which a person must die in order to avoid transgressing). The Vilna Ga'on asks why is that opinion, that she was married, any more understandable than the opinion that she was single? According to the Ramban and many others, the prohibition there would only have been an Isur d'Rabanan! Why, then, should the man be left to die? It must be that even for a Rabbinic prohibition (in one of the three categories of sins of "Yehareg v'Al Ya'avor"), the rule that one must die and not transgress applies. Likewise, one must die and not transgress the Rabbinic prohibition of "Mar'is ha'Ayin" of Avodah Zarah.

        (b) The RAN also writes that this is the straightforward meaning of the Gemara, but he qualifies that the requirement to die and not transgress does not apply in all cases of "Mar'is ha'Ayin," but only in certain cases. In the case of drinking from a stream, where the person looks as though he is bowing down to the Avodah Zarah, one is required to give up his life and not transgress "Mar'is ha'Ayin" of Avodah Zarah. However, in cases of "Mar'is ha'Ayin" where the person's act does not appear to be such a blatant act of idol worship (for example, travelling to a city in which there happens to be an idolatrous festival being celebrated), a person is not required to give up his life.

        (c) However, the Ran seems to conclude that even the case of drinking from a stream in front of an Avodah Zarah is not a case of "Yehareg v'Al Ya'avor." How, though, does the Ran understand the Gemara? He understands that the Gemara is saying that even though the person is very thirsty and might *possibly* die before he finds water, he is still not allowed to drink the water. However, if he *knows* that he will not find any other water and that he will certainly die, then he is allowed to drink the water. He quotes this opinion as the opinion of RABEINU ASHER. This opinion is also cited by the REMA (YD 150:3).

        The MEKOR MAYIM CHAYIM (ibid.) explains how the Ran will answer the proof of the Vilna Ga'on. In the case in Sanhedrin, the person was interested in doing more than just talking to the woman. The Chachamim said that, in general, a man should not talk in such a context to a married woman since it might lead to an actual transgression of Giluy Arayos. The case here is totally different, as the person involved has absolutely no interest in doing the actual sin of Avodah Zarah. Therefore, the Chachamim did not include this act in the category of "Yehareg v'Al Ya'avor." (Y. Montrose)

I hope you never say the days of the week muman, since they are named after norse gods.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 23, 2011, 09:33:34 PM
I hope you never say the days of the week muman, since they are named after norse gods.

The Jewish calendar names days by the # of days since Shabbat. Sunday is called Yom Rishon (The First Day), Monday is Day #2, etc...

I also believe you are mistaken concerning the orgin of the names of the week... According to Wikipedia these names (in English) come from the Greco-Roman mythology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_the_week

Quote
The names of the days of the week from the Roman period have been both named after the seven planets of classical astronomy and numbered, beginning with Sunday. In Slavic languages, a numbering system was adopted, but beginning with Monday. There was an even older tradition of names in Ancient Indian Astrology which could arguably be the origin of all these naming systems. All of these systems have been adopted in many languages, with some exceptions resulting from a number of religious and secular considerations.

Shabbat Shalom!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKgwV4DSw3U



http://www.akhlah.com/aleph_bet/hebrew_worksheets/hebrew_days_of_the_week.php

Sunday
Yom Ree-Shon       

Monday
Yom She-Nee       

Tuesday
Yom Shelee-She       

Wednesday
Yom Re-Ve-ee       

Thursday
Yom Hah-Mee-Shee       

Friday
Yom Shee-Shee       

Shabbat
Yom Sha-Bat       



http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/the-jewish-calendar-and-holidays/the-jewish-calendar/?p=702

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The Days of the Week

What do the Jews call the days of the week?

The days of the Jewish week have no names; they are referred to as "first day", "second day", ..., "sixth day", and "Sabbath", i.e. basically following the usage in Gen.Ch.1.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 23, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
Here is the Daf Yomi from Mesechet Shabbat which discusses this issue you raise t_h_j:



http://www.shemayisrael.com/dafyomi2/shabbos/insites/sh-dt-129.htm

3) USING GENTILE DAYS AND DATES

    In the previous insight, we showed that the days of the week come from the names of gods in Greek and Norse mythology. This raises the question of whether it is at all permissible to refer to the days of the week by such names. This also raises the broader question of whether we may refer to the months of the year by their Julian names, some of which are named after Roman gods (such as January, from Janus, known as the god of the doorway).

    Similarly, is it permitted to refer to the year by the number used by the Gregorian calendar, which refers to the death of the god of the Nazarenes? Furthermore, is it permitted to refer to the hours of the day (e.g. 6:00 in the morning), which begin their count from midnight, which stems from a system of belief that maintains that their god was born at midnight?

    (1) MONTHS AND DAYS

        QUESTION: There are two reasons to prohibit using the gentile names of months and days:

            (a) The MAHARAM SHIK (#117) writes that one should not use the gentile names of months, and certainly not the gentile count of the months (putting January as the first month). The reason is because their system does not make Nisan the first month, and we have a Mitzvas Aseh to refer to the months from Nisan, counting Nisan as the first month, in order to always remember the redemption from Egypt (RAMBAN, Shemos 12:1). The similar logic applies to the days of the week. The Gemara (Beitzah 16a) says that the days of the week should be referred to in relation to Shabbos ("the first day from Shabbos" and "the second day from Shabbos", etc.) in order to give honor to Shabbos. It should, therefore, be prohibited to use the gentile names of the days of the week.

            (b) The names of the months and the days of the week are based on names of gods that were used in idol worship. Are we permitted to use such names?

        ANSWER:

            (a) In response to these problems, the Ramban in Parshas Bo writes that with regard to the months, when the Jewish people returned from Bavel to the land of Israel, they named the months by Babylonian names (which are the names that we now use) in order to remember the redemption from Bavel (see TOSFOS, Rosh Hashanah 7a), the same way that until then, they referred to the months in relation to Nisan in order to remember the redemption from Egypt.

            The SEFER HA'IKRIM (3:16) understands this to mean that when the Jews were exiled to Bavel, effectively bringing an end to the liberty they had enjoyed as a result of the redemption from Egypt which occurred 890 years earlier, there was no longer a necessity to count from Nisan to recall the redemption from Egypt (see also CHASAM SOFER, Choshen Mishpat 1, DH Nachzir).

            However, the PERUSH HA'KOSEV in the Ein Yakov at the beginning of Megilah (3a) strongly opposes this view and explains that when the Jews left Bavel they only *added names* to the months, but they did not change the numbering system; they continued to count the months from Nisan. It is permitted to refer to each month by its name, but when one gives each month a number, one must count the month based on the original system, with Nisan as the first. This opinion is supported by the GET PASHUT 127:35, MINCHAS CHINUCH 311:3, and RAV OVADIAH YOSEF in YABIA OMER 6:9:4.

            Therefore, one should refrain from referring to the months by the gentile numbering system (e.g. referring to January as "1"). (It should be noted that the months of September, October, November, and December are named according to their numbers ("septem" = seven, "octo" = eight, "novem" = nine, and "decem" = ten). Interestingly, these numbers are not in reference to January, since two months were added at a later point in time. It so happens that they conform to the count from the time of the year which usually corresponds to Nisan!)

            For the same reason, as far as the days of the week are concerned, it seems that one who uses their names and not their numbers does not transgress a Mitzvas Aseh. However, it may be prohibited to refer to the days of the week by a different *numbering* system (for example, calling Monday the first day of the week).

            (b) With regard to mentioning the names of idols, since these idols are no longer known or worshipped in the civilized world, it should not be prohibited to mention their names, since one has no intention to refer to those idols when he says the name of the day or month.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: t_h_j on September 23, 2011, 09:41:15 PM
The Jewish calendar names days by the # of days since Shabbat. Sunday is called Yom Rishon (The First Day), Monday is Day #2, etc...

I also believe you are mistaken concerning the orgin of the names of the week... According to Wikipedia these names (in English) come from the Greco-Roman mythology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Days_of_the_week

Shabbat Shalom!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKgwV4DSw3U



http://www.akhlah.com/aleph_bet/hebrew_worksheets/hebrew_days_of_the_week.php

Sunday
Yom Ree-Shon       

Monday
Yom She-Nee       

Tuesday
Yom Shelee-She       

Wednesday
Yom Re-Ve-ee       

Thursday
Yom Hah-Mee-Shee       

Friday
Yom Shee-Shee       

Shabbat
Yom Sha-Bat       



http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/the-jewish-calendar-and-holidays/the-jewish-calendar/?p=702


Wednesday-Wodin/Odin's Day

Tuesday-Tyr's Day

Thursday-Thor's Day

Friday-Frigg's day

Since you speak english, and you listed the days of the week above, you are worshipping them as much as those sailors worshipped king neptune!
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Maimonides on September 25, 2011, 06:35:19 PM
The US Border Patrol guards the border, not the military. The US military is also not an anti smuggling organization. Should they just attack nuke armed pakistan and north korea?
guarding borders is not the Military's job...that would be the Border Patrol's job.  Do you want the US military to attack north korea and japan?

First of all the U.S. military is controlled by civilian politicians, so most the military's failures are their fault.

Part of the U.S. military's job is to protect America from foreign invasions, and they are failing to do that. Instead we have the U.S. military trying to protect the border's of Iraq and Afghanistan.

The U.S. military could take out Pakistan and North Korea, but instead we wait and allow those countries to continue to threaten us.

And yes the U.S. military is suppose to stop smuggling. Such as the smuggling of drugs out of Afghanistan and to America. Instead the U.S. military protects warlords in Afghanistan, and helps them ship out drugs. The U.S. military should also stop the smuggling of nuclear technology out of Pakistan and North Korea.

But instead the U.S. military is kissing King Neptune's Belly!

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v63oTveUEGI/SQYn3uvbcvI/AAAAAAAAHFw/M_05FR8NyrA/s400/shellbacks.jpg)
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Maimonides on September 25, 2011, 06:36:11 PM
This type of thing is not done in the U.S. Navy, if it were I know for a fact that most people would not do it.  Also, not everyone in the Navy even gets a chance to become a shellback, such as people predominantly stationed at shore commands.  Nevertheless there is a lot of immodest behavior that goes on, and as I said before, I don't like the pagan ties, so I did not do the ceremony even though there is a lot of peer pressure to do it.

How did you withstand the peer pressure? Did they physically threaten you at any point?
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 26, 2011, 11:03:50 PM
Just because you never personally met someone doesn't mean you shouldn't wish AIDS on them if what they have done is evil.  Look at all the people that JTF gives the "yimach shmo" curse to.  We are not intimately familiar with all of these people but we know they are evil--in this case they are supporting becoming intimately familiar anally with the wrong people.  The policy makers who had a hand in embracing queer mongers (which includes removing the ban on sodomy that used to be in the UCMJ) are endorsing a PRACTICE that is forbidden to both Jews and Gentiles.  In this case, they have done something bad to me, because they are corrupting my society and the defenders of it.  Let's go back to basics for just a moment:

Leviticus 18:22  Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

As you can see, this position is straight out of the Torah, so there is nothing "fringe" about it.  It's simply the truth.  How do you think JTF or the Jewish people as a whole should accept or reject any principle or make any moral judgment whatsoever?  The correct answer is if it is in line with G-d's will.  And "evil" includes more practices than just wanting to destroy Israel, and homosexual relations is clearly one of them.  Now maybe you are the type that picks and chooses which parts of the Torah you believe based on whatever you pull out of your tuchus (or put into your tuchus for that matter).  But don't blame those of us who have a conscience and believe the whole thing.  Also, talking the way I do does not make me look ugly.  It makes me look exceedingly cool and inspires Jews to become more observant because if a Gentile can proudly believe in the Torah, then so can a Jew.

Sorry, but you aren't righteous and if anyone is putting anything in his 'tuchus,' it is far more likely you than me and Hashem knows that.  As for thinking you are "cool" for wishing AIDS on people, as you have in this instance, there is something seriously wrong with you.  
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 27, 2011, 12:03:21 AM
Sorry, but you aren't righteous and if anyone is putting anything in his 'tuchus,' it is far more likely you than me and Hashem knows that.  As for thinking you are "cool" for wishing AIDS on people, as you have in this instance, there is something seriously wrong with you.  

So just what is your position on the perverted sex act? What do you think of the Torahs commandment concerning it?

Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 27, 2011, 12:22:01 AM
On this topic I have written a lot. But since there are new JTF members reading this I may repeat some of what I have said in the past.


It is true that we should not wish death and punishment on those who transgress the commandments of Hashem. What the sages have said is that it would be best if we daven to Hashem that the wicked should repent of their evil ways and change to good. Ultimately, we believe, that every soul has a deep down desire to do the right thing and there is the Yetzer Hara which interferes with this drive.

We also have the commandment to rebuke the sinner. This means that we tell the sinner that he is sinning and in a caring way attempt to change his or her behavior to do the right thing. The mitzvah of rebuke does not mean namecalling and intimidation but it means talking to the individual in a way which will cause him to hear and change. It is important to rebuke others before we curse them {if they do not cease their sinful ways}.

Hashem IS a loving father who is 'long suffering' meaning that he puts up with our transgressions for a long time before his anger flares and he administers punishment. This is a good thing or else we all would be individually destroyed for our small sins if Hashem did not have patients that we will eventually make teshuva.

But there is also the command to hate evil and to remove it from our midst. At a certain point a person is sinning and they know it, and they have no desire to cease the sinful behavior. At this point they are rebelling against Hashem and this is the point where some will begin to curse the person who continues to transgress despite the warnings and the rebuke.

An evil person should be denigrated and insulted. Those who are enemies of the Jewish people are enemies of Hashem, and they deserve the curses.

But I suggest that we have patients with all humanity, as does Hashem...

Remember what all of us religious Jews will be saying later this week, the thirteen attributes of mercy of Hashem..

Merciful God, merciful God, powerful God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abundant in kindness and truth. Preserver of kindness for thousands of generations, forgiver of iniquity, willful sin and error, and Who cleanses. (Exodus 34:6-7)

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http://www.ou.org/chagim/elul/selichotattrib.htm

1) Hashem. This Name denotes mercy. G-d is merciful before a person sins, even though He knows the evil lies dormant in the person.

2) Hashem. G-d is merciful after the sinner has gone astray.

3) E-L. This Name denotes power. G-d’s mercy sometimes surpasses even the degree indicated by the name Hashem.

4) Rachum. Compassionate; G-d eases the punishment of the guilty, and He does not put people into extreme temptation.

5) ve-Chanun. And Gracious; even to the undeserving.

6) Erech Apayim. Slow to Anger; so that the sinner can reconsider long before it is too late. (Rav Moshe Cordovero in "Tomer Devorah," describes G-d as a "Melech Ne’Elav," an "Insulted King," Whose subjects disobey Him, yet He maintains their existence.)

7) Ve-Rav Chessed… And Abundant in Kindness…; towards those who lack personal merits. Also, if the scales of good and evil are evenly balanced, He tips them towards the good.

8) …Ve-Emet. And Truth; G-d never reneges on His word.

9) Notzer Chessed La-Alafim. Preserver of Kindness for thousands of generations; The deeds of the righteous benefit their offspring far into the future.

10) Nose Avon… Forgiver of iniquity…; G-d forgives the intentional sinner, if he or she repents.

11) …Va-Phesha… …and willful sin…; Even those who purposely anger G-d are allowed to repent.

12) …VeChataah. …and error; This is a sin committed out of carelessness or apathy.

13) VeNake. And Who cleanses; G-d wipes away the sins of those who repent.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 27, 2011, 12:42:03 AM
http://www.campsci.com/iguide/rebbi_meir_baal.htm

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The gemorah tells us (Gittin 56) that when the Roman Caesar Nero led his army into battle against Yerushalayim he wanted to determine if he would be successful in destroying her. He therefore shot arrows in all four directions and they all fell towards Yerushalayim. He took this as a heavenly sign that he would be victorious. He then found a young boy and asked him to expound upon a posuk . The child read him the verse "and I will take revenge of Edom, through the Jewish people". He thereupon said to himself, "G-d wants me to destroy His House and later avenge Himself in me?" He immediately decided to convert and become a Jew, and it was from him that the great Tanna Rebbi Meir descended.

His actual name was Rebbi Nehora'i (which is the Aramaic equivalent for "light") and so he was called Rebbi Meir because "he lit up the eyes of the chachomim with his Halacha" (Eruvin 13:).

While he was a student of the famed Rebbi Akiva, from whom he received his semicha at a very young age, he also studied Torah under the tutelage of Rabbi Yishmoel and Elisha ben Avuya (usually referred to as "Acher").

When he was much older, he was ordained once again by Rebbi Bava ben Buta who was riddled to death by more than three hundred spears by Roman soldiers for defying the Roman decree forbidding rabbinical ordination. Rebbi Meir as well as Rebbi Yehudah, Rebbi Yossi, Rebbi Elozar bar Rebbi Shimon and Rebbi Nechemiah where able to escape with their lives and it was through them that the unbroken chain of the oral tradition was passed on to all oncoming generations.

He was married to Bruriah the daughter of Rebbi Chaninah ben Tradyon, who is the only woman quoted in the gemorah for her great brilliance and wisdom.

When Rabbi Meir once prayed that the wicked people who where constantly harassing and annoying him should die, she told him that he should rather pray that they do teshuvah. He took her advice and, sure enough, they repented and became G-d fearing Jews.

When she saw a student studying silently, she scolded him by saying that only by studying out loud does one remember his learning.

She mocked the words of the chachomim that said that women were "light-minded" and are easily influenced. Rabbi Meir wanted to prove her wrong, so he put up one of his students to test her. He kept on trying to seduce her to sin with him until she finally consented. Rebbi Meir thereupon disguised himself as the student and now proved to her that chazal were right on target when they said that "noshim daatom kalos". The entire episode backfired when she committed suicide out of great shame. Rabbi Meir now left the country in terrible embarrassment on account of what happened.

He lived right after the destruction of the Bais Ha'mikdosh, a time of terrible Roman persecution. He saw twenty four thousand students of Rebbi Akiva die in a devastating plague between Pesach and Shevuos. Both his father-in-law and his Rebbi where brutally murdered by the hated and evil Roman government for defying their decree not to teach or study the Torah. Rebbi Chaninah ben Tradyon was burned at the stake wrapped in a Sefer Torah, while Rebbi Akiva was tortured to death with metal scrapers that tore at his skin mercilessly.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: JTFenthusiast2 on September 27, 2011, 07:00:08 PM
So just what is your position on the perverted sex act? What do you think of the Torahs commandment concerning it?



What does this statement above have to do with wishing AIDS on strangers?  Do you wish AIDS on strangers, Muman?  This thread is turning into the usual 'switch n bait' style of argument that too often passes as serious discourse on this forum AS IF TO say that anyone who doesn't think wishing AIDS on strangers is a 'good thing, 'must be somehow be 'pro-gay.'   A tiny minority here can continue to wallow deeply, lazily, in their hatred of every gay who ever walked the face of the earth.  Sad really.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Rubystars on September 27, 2011, 07:59:45 PM
I'm not comfortable with the way AIDS and cancer are so lightly wished upon so many by people in this forum. I think we should wish for people to change for the better. Sometimes God does judge harshly, but that's for Him to decide.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on September 27, 2011, 08:49:11 PM
What does this statement above have to do with wishing AIDS on strangers?  Do you wish AIDS on strangers, Muman?  This thread is turning into the usual 'switch n bait' style of argument that too often passes as serious discourse on this forum AS IF TO say that anyone who doesn't think wishing AIDS on strangers is a 'good thing, 'must be somehow be 'pro-gay.'   A tiny minority here can continue to wallow deeply, lazily, in their hatred of every gay who ever walked the face of the earth.  Sad really.
I don't understand why Muman appears to be bashing gays here but in the past has defended lesbians.
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: muman613 on September 27, 2011, 09:19:04 PM
I don't understand why Muman appears to be bashing gays here but in the past has defended lesbians.

I did not bash anyone.... What are you talking about? I defended what Dan Ben Noach said...

Also I never 'defended' lesbians. I simply stated that according to Torah {you do know what that is DBF?} the sin of woman on woman relations is in a different category than man on man... The Torah clearly says that a man who sleeps with a man is an abomination to the L-rd. It does not say this about the lesbian relationship. But if you check the history of my posts you will see that I explained that there is a transgression for lesbian relationships and this is due to the mitzvah of not immitating the mitzrim {Egyptians} because in the mitzrim society lesbianism was prevalent...

Do you understand now?



References : http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,48903.msg464799.html#msg464799

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,48903.msg464888.html#msg464888

http://www.chabad.org/dailystudy/rambam.asp?tDate=8/22/2009&rambamChapters=3

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Halacha 8

Lesbian relations are forbidden. This is "the conduct of Egypt" which we were warned against, as [Leviticus 18:3] states: "Do not follow the conduct of Egypt." Our Sages said:22 What would they do? A man would marry a man, a woman would marry a woman, and a woman would marry two men.

Although this conduct is forbidden,23 lashes are not given for it, for it is not a specific prohibition24 and there is no intercourse at all. Therefore such women are not forbidden to marry into the priesthood as zonot, nor does a woman become prohibited to her husband because of this,25 for this is not considered harlotry. It is, however, appropriate to give them stripes for rebellious conduct26 because they performed a transgression. A man should take precautions with his wife with regard to this matter and should prevent women who are known to engage in such practices from visiting her and her from visiting them.


see also : http://www.oztorah.com/2007/08/homosexuality-ask-the-rabbi/
Title: Re: Perversion prevails as the U.S. military embraces fags
Post by: Rubystars on September 28, 2011, 01:26:32 PM
I can honestly say butch lesbians gross me out more. They're ugly, they're nasty. They act in an exaggerated macho way that just is sickening.

At least the stereotypical gay guy keeps up his appearance.  :::D

Of course there are a lot of non-stereotypical gays and lesbians but I just thought I'd mention how gross I find the lesbians to be.