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I think they should.
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NO! I like the fireworks :-\ Some Gentile activites are nice, I even enjoy the chinese new year, you want to ban that too.
How about accepting not everyone is Jewish, and respecting their cultures if it doesn't harm anyone else.
I think some here are a bit of a "kill joy".
Oh my I have just realised, I am more left than the Doc ??? :-\
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Are we demanding that the people should abstain from their traditions?
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Are we demanding that the people should abstain from their traditions?
Looks like it. :-\
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I think it should depend on the type of party. If it is an occasion where friends and family get together to have a good but moral time, I am all for it. If it is a bunch of people getting together to get drunk and have immoral sex, that should be banned any time of the year.
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Of course New Year's Eve parties should not be banned. That's one of the most ridiculous polls I've seen on the forum. If you don't want to take part in a New years party, then don't, but that's no need to want to deprive millions of people of a legitimate celebration. You can ban the party for yourself if you want, but wanting to ban the celebration for millions, even hundreds of millions of people is completely unjustified and would deprive many people of joy that they get from it.
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No!
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Doesn't this completely go against the concept of letting gentiles run their holidays, and country as they want? Why should Jews be concerned with the way gentile holidays are run? What is next, are we going to tell Christians how to celebrate Christmas? I don't see how the way people celebrate New Years is any concern to us. It is certainly not something that we have or should have any decision over, whatsoever.
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I don't really see the harm, its a cultural thing not a religious event.
Here in Australia any Jew, Christain, Pagan etc enjoys the event, if anything its the one time of the year where your beliefs are never taken into account, you are seen as just a person, an Australian.
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It's not like it will ever be banned, no one will really except it.
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Of course New Year's Eve parties should not be banned. That's one of the most ridiculous polls I've seen on the forum. If you don't want to take part in a New years party, then don't, but that's no need to want to deprive millions of people of a legitimate celebration. You can ban the party for yourself if you want, but wanting to ban the celebration for millions, even hundreds of millions of people is completely unjustified and would deprive many people of joy that they get from it.
Exactly!
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I voted NO. Did you mean a legal civil ban on everyone or a religious psak for Jews not to take part in them?
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It's no wonder secular Israelis are horrified by the idea of a religious state.
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intentions to ban N.Y. parties are signs of weakness :o
we are no islamic society fearful of everything foreign :(
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Don't say "ban", say "discouraged."
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just because you weren't invited to one doesn't mean you have to ruin it for the rest of us!
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NO! I like the fireworks :-\ Some Gentile activites are nice, I even enjoy the chinese new year, you want to ban that too.
How about accepting not everyone is Jewish, and respecting their cultures if it doesn't harm anyone else.
I think some here are a bit of a "kill joy".
Oh my I have just realised, I am more left than the Doc ??? :-\
I notice the embitterment by some on this forum when there are parties. I know some people here become the way they are...when someone can't have something, then they accept certain rules that would disallow other to have the same thing so that they feel better and more empowered that they aren't alone...
However, in israel, jan 1st and dec 31st shouldn't be days that ISraelis ought to celebrate. It is a secular/non Jewish holiday..but the rest of the world is the rest of the world.
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NO! I like the fireworks :-\ Some Gentile activites are nice, I even enjoy the chinese new year, you want to ban that too.
How about accepting not everyone is Jewish, and respecting their cultures if it doesn't harm anyone else.
I think some here are a bit of a "kill joy".
Oh my I have just realised, I am more left than the Doc ??? :-\
I notice the embitterment by some on this forum when there are parties. I know some people here become the way they are...when someone can't have something, then they accept certain rules that would disallow other to have the same thing so that they feel better and more empowered that they aren't alone...
However, in israel, jan 1st and dec 31st shouldn't be days that ISraelis ought to celebrate. It is a secular/non Jewish holiday..but the rest of the world is the rest of the world.
I puzzles me Doc, because no matter what has happen to the Jewish people they have never lost the ability to laugh and be entertained. Afterall look at all the famous Jews that create enjoyment for others.
God gave us a gift it would be a shame not to use it. Not so much celebrate the event, more of celebrate and enjoy the people around us.
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I personally think that New Year parties are rather silly, but I think that banning them would be wrong, people should be allowed to celebrate when they want to.
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If people want to waste money on silly things then thats their problem.
The fireworks and sound display here, costed £100,000 per minute.
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No, it should not be banned. This new-year-party is as much religious as Kwanzaa.
It is a cultural event and it is funny ;D (except the headache next day :'()
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If people want to waste money on silly things then thats their problem.
The fireworks and sound display here, costed £100,000 per minute.
Do you watch them?
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I'm wit my sweethearts on dis ones, you peeples are just stuck up, kill joys because you am don'ts like to haves any fun.
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just because you weren't invited to one doesn't mean you have to ruin it for the rest of us!
LOL.
NO. New Year's Eve parties shouldn't be banned!
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
I also don't agree with people converting to islam, or people becoming atheists.
I don't agree with people that commit suicide, abortion.
I don't agree with lesbians or homos.
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
I also don't agree with people converting to islam, or people becoming atheists.
I don't agree with people that commit suicide, abortion.
I don't agree with lesbians or homos.
I'm always annoyed by people who cannot mind their own business.
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
I also don't agree with people converting to islam, or people becoming atheists.
I don't agree with people that commit suicide, abortion.
I don't agree with lesbians or homos.
?? what do you mean??
I'm always annoyed by people who cannot mind their own business.
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
I also don't agree with people converting to islam, or people becoming atheists.
I don't agree with people that commit suicide, abortion.
I don't agree with lesbians or homos.
I'm always annoyed by people who cannot mind their own business.
?? what do you mean??
We should worry about our own problems. If someone wants to be a homo or to use drugs, that's their business. So long as they don't infringe on others.
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What a horrible poll. Almost every Ethnic Chinese American I know celebrates the western New Year as well. If you can't stand Ryan Seacrest, turn off the TV, but dont say we should ban this tradition.
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Of course New Year's Eve parties should not be banned. That's one of the most ridiculous polls I've seen on the forum. If you don't want to take part in a New years party, then don't, but that's no need to want to deprive millions of people of a legitimate celebration. You can ban the party for yourself if you want, but wanting to ban the celebration for millions, even hundreds of millions of people is completely unjustified and would deprive many people of joy that they get from it.
I made the poll in the spirit of the series of ban polls I made in October. Generally though, the things mentioned in the polls SHOULD be banned for Jews.
What is wrong if Jews attend a New Year's party? If you personally do not like and have no desire to attand such parties, that is your business. You whims and fancies should not be imposed on anyone, Jew or Gentile.
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NO! I like the fireworks :-\ Some Gentile activites are nice, I even enjoy the chinese new year, you want to ban that too.
How about accepting not everyone is Jewish, and respecting their cultures if it doesn't harm anyone else.
I think some here are a bit of a "kill joy".
Oh my I have just realised, I am more left than the Doc ??? :-\
I notice the embitterment by some on this forum when there are parties. I know some people here become the way they are...when someone can't have something, then they accept certain rules that would disallow other to have the same thing so that they feel better and more empowered that they aren't alone...
However, in israel, jan 1st and dec 31st shouldn't be days that ISraelis ought to celebrate. It is a secular/non Jewish holiday..but the rest of the world is the rest of the world.
I puzzles me Doc, because no matter what has happen to the Jewish people they have never lost the ability to laugh and be entertained. Afterall look at all the famous Jews that create enjoyment for others.
G-d gave us a gift it would be a shame not to use it. Not so much celebrate the event, more of celebrate and enjoy the people around us.
Exactly and I agree with you. Now when Chaim suggests that Jews should not partake in celebrations which are secular or from other religions, he has a point. It's not goign to stop me from doing what i normally do.
You see, Chaim is rightfully idealistic. His visions might be prophetic. However, it's not realistic for me..not now...but I will hear him and not forget what he has said.
Jews do know how to celebrate...we just don't live in our homeland right now celebrating our holidays. We are living in galut celebrating others' holidays. We are a nation with our own culture. It's best celebrated in our homeland and idealistically we all shoudl live there...
in other words, we, who are in the galut, should not be gettign used to this lifestyle... We have to be prepared for the inevitble...we need to prepare our children and grandchildren to have the mindset to leave whereever we are in settle in Israel, Gd willing.
Now, in the bible, you notice that besides Joshua, non of the Israelite slaves ever got to live in Eretz yisrael. It's the curse of the galut. Some of us, including me, have this slave and galut mentality...I feel that for myself, if it is meant to be, that israel will be right for me and I will be right for Israel once my own family settles there...however, I have been so infused with American culture that Israeli culture will eat me alive...and i will not be able to be who I am to my full potential there than I can here..
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
Drugs are bad, mmkay? Dont' do drugs..mmmkay.
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
Drugs are bad, mmkay? Dont' do drugs..mmmkay.
Mara-ju-ana's bad m'kay.
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
Drugs are bad, mmkay? Dont' do drugs..mmmkay.
Mara-ju-ana's bad m'kay.
mkay Mr. macky.
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I do think muslims should be allowed some privileges such as:
-killing each-other
-committing suicide
-abort all of their foetuses
-eat unhealthy food
-smoke 100 cigarets a day
-use kath/heroin/alcohol/cocaine/benzine
-have gay marriage/adoption
-discrimination/persecution of heteros
-burkas that totally block vit.D production
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
I also don't agree with people converting to islam, or people becoming atheists.
I don't agree with people that commit suicide, abortion.
I don't agree with lesbians or homos.
I'm always annoyed by people who cannot mind their own business.
?? what do you mean??
We should worry about our own problems. If someone wants to be a homo or to use drugs, that's their business. So long as they don't infringe on others.
Drug users and homosexuals both disrupt society, whether it is their own families or even being an influence to others. Drug users usually end up stealing (harming others) and homosexuals transgress religious and moral teachings, that become degenirated because of them.
They infringe on others, the most! 99% of harmful foolish doings affect others.
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If people want to waste money on silly things then thats their problem.
The fireworks and sound display here, costed £100,000 per minute.
Do you watch them?
Nope. I went to sleep.
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Individuals should be allowed to be as foolish as they like.
Totally disagree. I don't accept people using drugs.
So long as they don't harm other people, why not?
I also don't agree with people converting to islam, or people becoming atheists.
I don't agree with people that commit suicide, abortion.
I don't agree with lesbians or homos.
I'm always annoyed by people who cannot mind their own business.
?? what do you mean??
We should worry about our own problems. If someone wants to be a homo or to use drugs, that's their business. So long as they don't infringe on others.
Drug users and homosexuals both disrupt society, whether it is their own families or even being an influence to others. Drug users usually end up stealing (harming others) and homosexuals transgress religious and moral teachings, that become degenirated because of them.
They infringe on others, the most! 99% of harmful foolish doings affect others.
well said Sarah O0
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The films on TV are the best thing about New Years Day. Though nearly all of them today had Arnold Shwarzenegger in them.
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No they shouldn't be banned! Absolutely not! Why? For what reason? Some misplaced sense of piety?
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This and all your other "ban" polls, you can only ban these things for yourself. As far as everybody else goes, just try to stop us.
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This and all your other "ban" polls, you can only ban these things for yourself. As far as everybody else goes, just try to stop us.
Everyone gets fun by taking part in all these pagan celebrations such as Halloween and New Year's Eve. I have fun making banning polls. Does anyone actually think these things are going to be banned?
No! Its not like you issue forth the law. Though your polls are interesting because they bring up points to talk about.
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Yaacov-
What you and Chaim say about Jews in galut or in Israel celebrating secular or non Jewish holidays such as New Years is correct in an idealistic manner. It is not something that should be banned, however. It shoudl be something that Jews need to be educated about to respect themselves and their own holidays.
YES, we have our OWN holidays to celebrate and get drunk and party...why should we be celebrating other peoples' holidays? You and chaim are absolutely correct! Where is OUR pride as Jews? But alas! I only say in Israel when all the Jewish people are there, this would make the most sense. Even though there is a country called Israel which is supposed to represent the Jewish people, it really technically isn't Jewish enough..There is little pride over there. Heck..even here in galut, there is little pride in being a Jew. We forget we are a separate nation from the rest! We need to educate Jews about this. But not by banning or talking about banning things.. If we do that, then we sound just as bad as the Islamics... We should avoid at all costs of being fundamentalist religious people and live on this planet earth with the rest of the world...we need to get out of our caves and learn about the world rather than hate the world and call everything evil. What you do is completely the wrong approach and will never become popular!
I believe that we should be part of the world community as all nations are part of a world community..however, we need to establish our nation once again and say, "This is who we are and this is who the rest of you are! We are no better than you and you are no better than us! We are all Gd's children. As we may have our own children with different personalities and different needs, Gd's children are the Nations of the World with different personalities and different needs." I believe that in the world to come or in the days near the messianic era, all proper nations will respect each other and Jews will respect themselves.
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If people want to waste money on silly things then thats their problem.
The fireworks and sound display here, costed £100,000 per minute.
Do you watch them?
Nope. I went to sleep.
Thats a shame they are very pretty, one thing the chinese created that is beautiful.
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Yes they should be banned but NOT for gentiles, since its their New Years.
But Jews should not attend these parties.
What about for Noahides?
listen Jews have their holidays
Im' sure Noahides have their own holidays also to celebrate..it's not for us to decide what htey can or cannot do...
But Jews shoudl really be celebrating Jewish holidays..
but that's idealistic..it's not really realistic...It's far worse when jews only celebrate non Jewish holidays and ignore the Jewish holidays..I thin,k it is a little bitter if both are celebrated but the jewihs holidays with more umph to it! Education is key...!!! not banning!
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Doc I think theres alot of fence sitting because I am sure some of the people who are anti New Years were loving Halloween.
:::D :::D
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Doc I think theres alot of fence sitting because I am sure some of the people who are anti New Years were loving Halloween.
:::D :::D
Actually more people here voted to ban Halloween. I voted I'm not sure but I condemn Jews and Righteous Gentiles celebrating it.
Oh funny what I got from the Halloween thread is Its AMERICAN CULTURE Blah Blah Blah.... which its not :::D :::D
So what you are saying I wouldn't be lonely in Hell O0
They have joined the unforgiven we are the damned. 8;)
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I agree that, as far as we have religious freedom, we cannot enact any law for religious reasons. Everyone can do whatever he likes unlless he harms other people or Nature.
Regarding New Year, if celebrated as a civil holiday, I don't see the problem with Jews and Noahides. Anyway, even if there is a problem, no Goyshe govt. can forbidd Jews to take part in such parties. Most Goyim don't adhere to the Halacha of who is a Jew, how can they enact a civil Law especially for Jews? Who is a Jew for them??? An Hallachically Jewish person????
That's why Let-be-land dropped the clause which forbade us to establish diplomatic relations with countries which allow intermarriage between Jews and Goyim in 2004. The problem was: How can a Goyshe country decide who is really Hallachically Jewish??? How can we demand them to distinguish between someone who is Jewish according to Hallacha, and a Goy who considers himself Jewish because his grandmother converted by the reform, and the rest of the family are real Jews?
Anyway, in case a Jew or Noahide wanted to celebrate civil New Year, they should do among themselves. Parties organised by non-Torah observant Gentiles are often dangerous and can lead to intoxication, immorality, driving careslessly and so on. Better stay away from these parties!!!!!!!
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Doc I think theres alot of fence sitting because I am sure some of the people who are anti New Years were loving Halloween.
:::D :::D
no seriously...this religious fundamentalism is dangerous...Purist beliefs are never good irregardless of that religion..my view is that everythign shoudl be done in moderation. You can't live for heaven when you are living on earth. Live and love life and experience it and be righteous and good to one another...
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That's why Let-be-land dropped the clause which forbade us to establish diplomatic relations with countries which allow intermarriage between Jews and Goyim in 2004. The problem was: How can a Goyshe country decide who is really Hallachically Jewish??? How can we demand them to distinguish between someone who is Jewish according to Hallacha, and a Goy who considers himself Jewish because his grandmother converted by the reform, and the rest of the family are real Jews?
BTW, regarding Let-be-land, we are still waiting the admins to delete or at least unstick the thead about us, you may understand. It's has a lot of foolish jokes which make us seem not serious. Why keepimg that?
And what about the other joke Judea posted in our forum about a fictitious war? would you agree to the idea of deleting it also?
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Doc I think theres alot of fence sitting because I am sure some of the people who are anti New Years were loving Halloween.
:::D :::D
no seriously...this religious fundamentalism is dangerous...Purist beliefs are never good irregardless of that religion..my view is that everythign shoudl be done in moderation. You can't live for heaven when you are living on earth. Live and love life and experience it and be righteous and good to one another...
I understand Doc, and you are right. Once you stop questioning, stop thinking, stop using logic then you are no better that the enemy we are fighting.
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That's why Let-be-land dropped the clause which forbade us to establish diplomatic relations with countries which allow intermarriage between Jews and Goyim in 2004. The problem was: How can a Goyshe country decide who is really Hallachically Jewish??? How can we demand them to distinguish between someone who is Jewish according to Hallacha, and a Goy who considers himself Jewish because his grandmother converted by the reform, and the rest of the family are real Jews?
BTW, regarding Let-be-land, we are still waiting the admins to delete or at least unstick the thead about us, you may understand. It's has a lot of foolish jokes which make us seem not serious. Why keepimg that?
And what about the other joke Judea posted in our forum about a fictitious war? would you agree to the idea of deleting it also?
You can delete whatever you want on your forum. You make the rules there and you have the powers there.
What forum got a link?
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That's why Let-be-land dropped the clause which forbade us to establish diplomatic relations with countries which allow intermarriage between Jews and Goyim in 2004. The problem was: How can a Goyshe country decide who is really Hallachically Jewish??? How can we demand them to distinguish between someone who is Jewish according to Hallacha, and a Goy who considers himself Jewish because his grandmother converted by the reform, and the rest of the family are real Jews?
BTW, regarding Let-be-land, we are still waiting the admins to delete or at least unstick the thead about us, you may understand. It's has a lot of foolish jokes which make us seem not serious. Why keepimg that?
And what about the other joke Judea posted in our forum about a fictitious war? would you agree to the idea of deleting it also?
You can delete whatever you want on your forum. You make the rules there and you have the powers there.
We cannot delete any thread without the permission of the poster (due to our Laws of free speech) except when
a) The post violates Proboards' Terms of Service.
b) When the messages is a crime according to our Laws (since the forum is under Letbelandic Law),
c) When the message can be harmfull to emotional health of visitors ( strongly missionary posts are sometimes deleted if we consider that it can damage psychological health of people, for example when someone posts that non Christians go to hell)
And regarding your forum, what do you expect to achieve keeping the jokes sticky?