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Title: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Trumpeldor on October 31, 2007, 09:57:22 PM
Everytime this guy opens his mouth, I know he is saying what he believes. I wholeheartedly agree with 90% of what he says yet I despise the remaining 10% which is his foreign policy.

I am scared of what the Islamic terrorists will do to this country if he is elected.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: RationalThought110 on October 31, 2007, 10:01:08 PM
You forgot about Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo.  They're very honest. 


On the Democrat side, Kucinich and Gravel are honest with what they believe and think.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: RationalThought110 on October 31, 2007, 10:03:33 PM
Everytime this guy opens his mouth, I know he is saying what he believes. I wholeheartedly agree with 90% of what he says yet I despise the remaining 10% which is his foreign policy.

I am scared of what the Islamic terrorists will do to this country if he is elected.

I'm not sure what he'll do.   I think he'd want to run as a 3rd party candidate (don't start this rumor anywhere because I don't want his supporters to convince him to do this) because then Hillary will be guaranteed to win the general election. 


Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on October 31, 2007, 10:10:33 PM
Re:  "...I am scared of what the Islamic terrorists will do to this country if he is elected..."

True enough.

And I'm scared of what they'll do to this country regardless of who's elected!

Think:  Does anyone who knows the truth about Islam actually believe they're just going to "forget and forgive" Bush's invasion and ongoing occupation of the city which was the site of the Islamic Caliphate during their Muslim Golden Age?

They will never forget...the sad fact is that they'll be coming after us for hundreds of years non-stop.  Unless we annihilate them.  That's what the West now faces thanks to Bush's incredible stupidity.
Islam is about murdering and torturing everyone in the world who refuses to submit to their maniacal cult...nowhere is found in it the New Testament values of love, forgiveness, ''turning the other cheek", etc.  When moronic politicians declare that Bush committed "the greatest military blunder in American history", they are actually telling it just like it is (which means for once they are saying the truth).

Most in the West "just don't get it"...regardless of what anyone thinks or how they choose to vote, we all are in a fight to the finish with Islam, and only one side will win...and it better be us!
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on October 31, 2007, 10:25:15 PM
The big fallacy in President George Washington's admonition to his successors to practice "non-intervention" is that the world has changed so much since the late 1700'S, and no longer do oceans and continents serve to protect and isolate anyone.

The terrible irony of it all is that American goodwill brought the world's best and brightest students to our shores, welcomed them, and taught them our very own state of the art technology, expecting them to admire us and use science for mankind's good.

Now we have literally no choice other than to preempt not only maniacs capable of firing nuclear missiles, but also those willing to sneak across borders and detonate nukes.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on October 31, 2007, 10:35:50 PM
Ron Paul is a nut.

He has blamed the US for 9/11 and the Jews for all the world's problems.

Ron Paul does believe what he says, just like many other insane people.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Mifletzet on October 31, 2007, 10:49:09 PM
In this thread
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=8335.msg77879#msg77879
Paul was said to be popular with Nazis & to support Hizbolah.

Has this been confirmed?

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ap_ron_paul_070507_ms.jpg)

If he wins, he'd be inaugurated at 75, 5 years older than Reagan was! Would Paul be physically up to the job?
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Dr. Dan on October 31, 2007, 10:53:29 PM
we are giving him way too much recognition...
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on October 31, 2007, 10:56:51 PM
How can anyone support this Nazi? This man is so clueless, it's scary.

But I'll rest soundly knowing he doesn't stand a chance at winning the nomination.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Trumpeldor on October 31, 2007, 11:06:54 PM
How can anyone support this Nazi? This man is so clueless, it's scary.

But I'll rest soundly knowing he doesn't stand a chance at winning the nomination.

I'd love to know just how he is a Nazi. Because he hates the neocons? Guess what? I hate the neocons, too.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Joe Schmo on October 31, 2007, 11:10:26 PM
Everytime this guy opens his mouth, I know he is saying what he believes. I wholeheartedly agree with 90% of what he says yet I despise the remaining 10% which is his foreign policy.

I agree with Trumpeldor.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on October 31, 2007, 11:16:01 PM
How can anyone support this Nazi? This man is so clueless, it's scary.

But I'll rest soundly knowing he doesn't stand a chance at winning the nomination.

I'd love to know just how he is a Nazi. Because he hates the neocons? Guess what? I hate the neocons, too.
When he says "neocons" he's talking about Jews. Why else do you think StørmFrønt supports him?
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on October 31, 2007, 11:16:52 PM
Trumpledor, 99% of the time I agree with you, but this time, wake up and smell the coffee! Have you read his essays or listened to Chaim's discussions on him? He isn't just a regular anti-Semite, he's an actual German supremacist like David Duke. He is the candidate endorsed by every white-supremacist organization in existence. He wants to ally America with Iran and Syria and declare war against Israel.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Eliezer Ben Avraham on October 31, 2007, 11:19:43 PM
I am scared of what the Islamic terrorists will do to this country if he is elected.
scared of Islamic terrorists? That's the exact problem, we need to make terrorists scared of us. When they see we shoot first ask questions later and we really do "torture" prisoners, they'll think twice about doing anything
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Joe Schmo on October 31, 2007, 11:22:54 PM
Trumpledor, 99% of the time I agree with you, but this time, wake up and smell the coffee! Have you read his essays or listened to Chaim's discussions on him? He isn't just a regular anti-Semite, he's an actual German supremacist like David Duke. He is the candidate endorsed by every white-supremacist organization in existence. He wants to ally America with Iran and Syria and declare war against Israel.

If you can prove that, you can convince me not to vote for him.

Where's the proof!
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: cjd on October 31, 2007, 11:26:22 PM
How can anyone support this Nazi? This man is so clueless, it's scary.

But I'll rest soundly knowing he doesn't stand a chance at winning the nomination.
This guy is not my cup of tea by any means. With everything going on in the world , Iraq, Iran Syria, Pakistan and our friends south of the frontera we need someone in the White House with some some idea how to deal with issues like this forcibly. This guy is not the man. I tend to be isolationist on most issues but America needs to maintain a strong military presence in the world. The next few years may be life or death for America!
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on November 01, 2007, 12:36:57 AM
How can anyone support this Nazi? This man is so clueless, it's scary.

But I'll rest soundly knowing he doesn't stand a chance at winning the nomination.
This guy is not my cup of tea by any means. With everything going on in the world , Iraq, Iran Syria, Pakistan and our friends south of the frontera we need someone in the White House with some some idea how to deal with issues like this forcibly. This guy is not the man. I tend to be isolationist on most issues but America needs to maintain a strong military presence in the world. The next few years may be life or death for America!
I'm happy to see that you realize the evils of this man.

Ron Paul will bring this country to its knees. He wants to strip America bare in her moment of dire straits, cutting funding to the FBI and Homeland Security, two organizations that are helping to fight Muslim Nazi terrorists!

He's also against not setting up defense missile bases in Europe to protect us from attacks!

Plus, how can anybody support a man who blames the US for 9/11 and the Jews for the world's troubles?
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Vito on November 01, 2007, 01:15:44 AM
Trumpledor, 99% of the time I agree with you, but this time, wake up and smell the coffee! Have you read his essays or listened to Chaim's discussions on him? He isn't just a regular anti-Semite, he's an actual German supremacist like David Duke. He is the candidate endorsed by every white-supremacist organization in existence. He wants to ally America with Iran and Syria and declare war against Israel.

If you can prove that, you can convince me not to vote for him.

Where's the proof!

I'm going to have to second with Scriabin on that... where is the proof? And when has he said that the Jews are the cause of all the worlds problems?

I like the fact that he wants to shut down the Federal Reserve, and virtually everything else he's mentioned about the economy.. but he's not solid on any other issues. I won't vote for him.. I just want to see the proof of all the statements made about him...
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on November 01, 2007, 01:22:40 AM
Trumpledor, 99% of the time I agree with you, but this time, wake up and smell the coffee! Have you read his essays or listened to Chaim's discussions on him? He isn't just a regular anti-Semite, he's an actual German supremacist like David Duke. He is the candidate endorsed by every white-supremacist organization in existence. He wants to ally America with Iran and Syria and declare war against Israel.

If you can prove that, you can convince me not to vote for him.

Where's the proof!

I'm going to have to second with Scriabin on that... where is the proof? And when has he said that the Jews are the cause of all the worlds problems?

I like the fact that he wants to shut down the Federal Reserve, and virtually everything else he's mentioned about the economy.. but he's not solid on any other issues. I won't vote for him.. I just want to see the proof of all the statements made about him...
Just go to a search engine and type his name in. Read his essays, and then, you'll get proof.

The other proof is what he has said during the debates.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Trumpeldor on November 01, 2007, 01:42:46 AM
Trumpledor, 99% of the time I agree with you, but this time, wake up and smell the coffee! Have you read his essays or listened to Chaim's discussions on him? He isn't just a regular anti-Semite, he's an actual German supremacist like David Duke. He is the candidate endorsed by every white-supremacist organization in existence. He wants to ally America with Iran and Syria and declare war against Israel.

Chaimfan, I read 'Neo-conned' a long time ago. Part of the essay has a list of what neocons believe.

Number 17 is "They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party."

Point A. We both know that the neocons don't 'really' support Israel, they just support the democratically-elected government, even if that government wants to commit suicide.

Point B. Several of the most prominent neocons are very close friends with the Likud Party. The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) is a Washington-based think tank whose advisory board includes Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle, James Woolsey, James Colbert, Dick Cheney, John Bolton, and Douglas Feith.

Now, let's look at Bibi Netanyahu's partners on "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm". The leader of this group was Richard Perle, and certain members were Douglas Feith and James Colbert.

More importantly, if you look at the stances of other neo-conservatives on Israel, they do mirror the despicable Likud Party in Israel.

The thick-headed white-supremacists who support Ron Paul are actually doing Israel a favor. Ron Paul is not a Nazi for opposing the neo-cons. However, he is an isolationist and tends to view the world in a state-centric paradigm, which is problematic. He is saying, "If we don't bother them, they won't bother us." Newsflash to Ron Paul: They will bother us no matter what. Read the Koran! He seems to forget that Iraq came after 9/11 and no foreign policy action that we made warranted 9/11. Unless he sees the light on that issue, I cannot vote for him because I cannot depend on him to protect us. Other than that, he is right on most everything else domestically.
 
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on November 01, 2007, 01:46:53 AM
Trumpledor, I say this as a brother--you're grasping at straws here.

I don't know why this vile little worm has such a hold on JTF members as a whole (because it obviously isn't just you). I am quite comfortable at taking his words at face value (I am not sure how to vote in your poll, because he is honest enough for people to gather what he is really all about, but does have an agenda that goes farther than what he claims it to be).

Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Trumpeldor on November 01, 2007, 01:50:50 AM
Trumpledor, I say this as a brother--you're grasping at straws here.

I don't know why this vile little worm has such a hold on JTF members as a whole (because it obviously isn't just you). I am quite comfortable at taking his words at face value (I am not sure how to vote in your poll, because he is honest enough for people to gather what he is really all about, but does have an agenda that goes farther than what he claims it to be).



The candidates are just so terrible. I would prefer a Clinton or a Hussein presidency instead of another fraud in the mould of George Bush. At least I won't feel disappointed when they screw up.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on November 01, 2007, 01:58:18 AM
Why don't you support Hunter or Tancredo? They are a lot more right-wing and indy than Paul is and the media doesn't fawn over him the way they do that Nazi pig.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Dr. Dan on November 01, 2007, 04:28:32 AM
come to think of it, Paul might be worried that the US army is spreading itself too thin...Thats why he's retreating from Iran.

But here's the issue...retreating will only be another type of temporary solution. The muslims are far more populated and well-collected than we are.  However theyare also scardy cats and stupid.

I believe that if the US and Israel make themselves appear to be fierce and intolerant, the Muslims will run for the hills like they did in the 40's, 50's, 60's, and 70's....

Therefore, Israel/US need a little more man power and more GUTS!!!!
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Yisrael on November 01, 2007, 04:31:52 AM
I believe that if the US and Israel make themselves appear to be fierce and intolerant, the Muslims will run for the hills like they did in the 40's, 50's, 60's, and 70's....

To appear fierce we need to nuke Mecca and warn them that we will nuke the rest of the Muzzie world if they misbehave.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: mord on November 01, 2007, 06:59:06 AM
http://amerpundit.com/2007/10/25/leading-neo-nazi-provides-financial-support-to-paul-campaign/




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[Leading Neo-Nazi Provides Financial Support to Paul Campaign?
by Brennan | 
A leading neo-Nazi/white supremacist leader, and owner of StørmFrønt, donated $500 to the Ron Paul campaign, according to an investigation by the Lone Star Times.

A LoneStarTimes.com investigation has conclusively established that a leading figure in the American neo-Nazi / White-Supremacist movement has provided financial support to Ron Paul’s 2008 Presidential campaign.

The individual in question is Don Black, the founder, owner and operator of StørmFrønt, a “white power” website that both professional journalists and watch-dog groups have identified as the premier English-language racist/hate-site on the Internet…

According to Federal Election Commission records, on 9/30/07 the Ron Paul presidential campaign received a $500 contribution from a Mr. Don Black, who lists his address as 203 Lakeland Drive and identifies his occupation as “self-employed/website manager”

The white supremacist forum (StørmFrønt) has been running a banner on the bottom of its pages for a while, which directs you to a Ron Paul support site.

Paul’s also attracted the donation of Alex Jones, a well-known conspiracy theorist, for $2,300 (maximum allowed).
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: mord on November 01, 2007, 10:59:10 AM
Jewwatch's Frank weltner lauds Ron Paul    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oougiM2_zZo
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Chaim Ben Pesach on November 01, 2007, 11:25:47 AM
                                                                                                            בס''ד

Why not have a poll asking if Hitler was honest?

I sometimes am amazed by some of the things that I read here. How can a Jew look "objectively" at Nazi anti-Semites and admire their "honesty"? Who gives a damn if they're honest?! If a Nazi is "honest" and claims to believe in the Constitution, JEWS on our forum admire him? This is beyond belief.

Ron Paul is NOT honest. He is a Nazi demagogue who deliberately appeals to the most vicious anti-Semites by blaming "neo-cons", whom he claims are aligned with the Israeli Likud party, for all of America's problems. This lying Nazi has been a member of Congress for many years and he knows damn well that the "neo-cons" (code word for Jews, even though in reality, the vast majority are NOT Jewish) are NOT pro-Israel and are NOT aligned with the Israeli Likud party. This filthy Nazi swine is saying that America's foreign policy is being distorted to benefit Israel, which is the ultimate Hitlerian big lie.

If this is what he stands for, how can a JEW care about what he says on any other issue?
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: mord on November 01, 2007, 11:31:44 AM
I agree 100% Chaim he is a closet nazi
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: mord on November 01, 2007, 11:56:17 AM
  More on Paul



Suddenly Ron Paul’s White Nationalist Supporters Becomes Big News in the Blogoshpere
Posted in Un-American activities, Blacklist by Rob Taylor on October 23rd, 2007
By big news I of course mean that it’s made it to Hot Air via this blog which attacks Paul on a fairly regular basis. The Paul campaign is now apparently advertising on StørmFrønt’s forum, or at least people are saying now because they’ve just noticed it.

As we pointed out before, Paul’s campaign has been reaching out to White Nationalists as soon as Paul decided to run. The supporters of Paul run the gambit from anti-government kooks who threaten to kill government officials to Pro-rape racists who think Jews and Blacks are more dangerous to America than Islamic Imperialism. The Paul campaign often half heartedly distances themselves from these dreg who are so pivotal in their fundraising, but will not condemn them, even if you ask them to. I know, I asked them to do it.

The whitewash of of Paul’s alliance with White Nationalism even extended to the Huffpo piece about the subject. Partly because the alliance was formed on the left side of the Libertarian spectrum. Sites like Antiwar.com and Lew Rockwell are frequented by White nationalists who recycle the borderline anti-semitic or fascist propaganda of author like Brian Wilson or Justin Raimondo for their own sites.

These sites gave birth to an ideological alliance between radical libertarians and neo-Nazis who are both invested in dismantling our Republic to make room for their very different world views. David Duke regularly reprints Ron Paul’s essays and shills for Paul on his site, and StørmFrønt isn’t the only White Nationalist site to allow Paul supporters to shill for Paul in their forums.

As the story picks up steam now that the bigger sites have caught it, many are wondering if this will tank Paul’s campaign. Not a chance, kids. Paul’s supporters know about the Nazis in their Midst and don’t care. Paul will never win an election for Presidency, but he’ll raise millions of dollars from these scum with which to line his pockets and continue to poison the minds of Americans against their own nation      http://www.red-alerts.com/category/un-american-activities/
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: mord on November 01, 2007, 12:02:38 PM
Ron Paul gets support from Rape Loving racists        http://www.red-alerts.com/un-american-activities/rape-loving-racists-for-ron-paul/     










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Rape Loving Racists for Ron Paul!
Posted in Un-American activities, Blacklist by Rob Taylor on August 27th, 2007
Forget the dottering Grandpa’ routine, after seeing the third or fourth link to the official Ron Paul HQ on a White Nationalist forum I got the sneaking suspicion that Ron Paul is a miscreant swindler who trudges through the fever swamps of marginal libertarianism churning up the muck and mire of any puddle of fringe thought which he can pan for gold. He’ll reach out to any group, no matter how unseemly, if it means more money, attention and devotees for his Lyndon Larouche style political cult dedicated to carving out a position of real power for “pork barrel Paul” so he can live like a King from
the paranoid sweat of ten thousand delusional shut-ins.

One such shut in going by the handle “John Knight” has been posting fallacious defenses of Paul on several Red Alerts posts. Here’s a taste:

Ron Paul points out that for three quarters of its life, our government managed to function perfectly well, including all the government “services” you mention above, WITHOUT the IRS. He also points out that the U.S. Constitution does not give authority for the IRS, nor an income tax. There’s a huge difference between “helping widows and orphans”, and establishing a black welfare class which now costs us more than one TRILLION dollars each year in social transfer payments, which could not happen if the IRS were to be righteously outlawed–and created a criminal class which is a far greater threat to the average citizen than 1.2 billion Muslims of the world, combined.

He conveniently leaves a link to his “Christian Party” website which I assume is endorsing Ron Paul. Paul may not be excited about an endorsement by this particular group however as it exposes Paul’s appeal is not so much to libertarians as rape loving racists who hate Jews and think the New World Order is secretly calling the shots in America.

Here’s a selection of his best hits:

He calls for a boycott of companies whose ads feature Black models. As he says, “once we see black we never go back!”

He hosts a poll to see how much support there is to exile Black people.

He believes Jews are “tapping” our computers. Also the Mafia are all Jews.

Dylan Klebold participated in the Columbine Massacre because he was a Jew who believed in the Holocaust Hoax.

Women’s Suffrage made America a totalitarian state!

I could go on but literally every page on this bizarrely hateful website is full of asinine conspiracy theories and racist rambling. The worst part of his site is dedicated to proving that most rape reports are false and a feminist conspiracy. It’s an especially creepy read on his rainbow decorated site which looks as if it was designed by a Strawberry Short cake afficianado.

So why does Paul attract this sort of degenerate to his flock anyway? Why can’t Paul supporters meet my challenge to identify a rational, normal self sufficient adult who isn’t a conspiracy theorist or living at home? Is it just fate, or is Paul a grifter who grooms these people as followers because they’re easier to bilk and will work for free promoting him?

As of yet, his campaign has no comment.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Joe Schmo on November 01, 2007, 12:54:16 PM
                                                                                                            בס''ד

Why not have a poll asking if Hitler was honest?

Has Paul murdered millions of innocent people?

Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: mord on November 01, 2007, 01:34:15 PM
Not that i knopw of neither has David the 'Clown ' Duke but i still don'nt care  for him
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on November 01, 2007, 02:22:24 PM
How many highly paid all-expense "speaking engagements" to Dubai and The United Arab Emirates has Rudolph Giuliani made just in this last year?

Rudy lobbies for the UAE & Dubai Muslim Nazis to have 100% total control of United States Port Security, going along with all who say that anyone who opposes such a suicidal gesture is a "racist".

But Ron Paul is the DEVIL, right?

Rudy last week during a debate was asked "Should Dubai and other Arab countries be allowed to buy and own American corporations producing and controlling items which are vital to the security and safety of the United States?

Rudy replied  "Absolutely!"..."Anyone with enough money should be allowed to buy anything American they can afford."

Uh huh.   RON IS THE DEVIL RON IS THE DEVIL.

Rudy declared NY City A SANCTUARY CITY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Last week he supported Elliot Spitzer's illegal move to give all illegal aliens in New York State official drivers' licenses.

Still no problem...he's the great defender of 9/11 and will defeat our enemies, because it is only RON PAUL DEVIL, RON PAUL DEVIL, RON PAUL DEVIL.....and anyone with an original thought or fact is the devil just like Ron Paul.

After all, Rudy's going to save America and Israel, just you wait for him to get back home from his current trip to the United Arab Emirates.

Then you'll see that Ron Paul would have betrayed you because he's not like Rudy!
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on November 01, 2007, 03:03:16 PM
How many highly paid all-expense "speaking engagements" to Dubai and The United Arab Emirates has Rudolph Giuliani made just in this last year?

Rudy lobbies for the UAE & Dubai Muslim Nazis to have 100% total control of United States Port Security, going along with all who say that anyone who opposes such a suicidal gesture is a "racist".

But Ron Paul is the DEVIL, right?

Rudy last week during a debate was asked "Should Dubai and other Arab countries be allowed to buy and own American corporations producing and controlling items which are vital to the security and safety of the United States?

Rudy replied  "Absolutely!"..."Anyone with enough money should be allowed to buy anything American they can afford."

Uh huh.   RON IS THE DEVIL RON IS THE DEVIL.

Rudy declared NY City A SANCTUARY CITY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Last week he supported Elliot Spitzer's illegal move to give all illegal aliens in New York State official drivers' licenses.

Still no problem...he's the great defender of 9/11 and will defeat our enemies, because it is only RON PAUL DEVIL, RON PAUL DEVIL, RON PAUL DEVIL.....and anyone with an original thought or fact is the devil just like Ron Paul.

After all, Rudy's going to save America and Israel, just you wait for him to get back home from his current trip to the United Arab Emirates.

Then you'll see that Ron Paul would have betrayed you because he's not like Rudy!
Guilani has done more to benefit the US, then Ron Paul ever has. At least Guilani opposes the creation of a Arab Muslim Nazi state in the biblical Eretz Yisrael.

Guliani is responsible for putting away some of the most dangerous criminals and risked his life to do so. Guliana put away mass murdering mobsters and had his life threatened in the process?

Also, Guilani threw the Arab Hitler Yasser Arafat out of Lincoln Center after that raping pig Bill Clinton invited him. Guilana faced much ridicule from the President, but he knew he did something very just.

Guilani was a very effective New York City mayor, who's primary taboo was his gun control policy.

I don't love Guliani, but out of the candidates who stand a chance at winning the nomination, Guliani is the US' best bet at survival.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Bodhi on November 01, 2007, 06:43:41 PM
I just read  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

I agree 100% with everything he stands for.....and if you really think about it most of you probably do also.......the thing with foreign police just means he doesn't want the federal government involved.......People who support Israel have a lot of money and power, and there is no reason that we would not be able to use that influence in a free amrekt situation.............of course it is only a pipe dream, he would be killed long before he could ever be sworn in...........But Ron Paul isn's anti Israel per se.....he's just kind of big socialist washington style corporate welfare....well, just anti-B.S.

My money and my vote will go to the lost cause.....he shows us what we could and should be......shame on anyone who can not support the only honest man in the race.

Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: The Shadow on November 01, 2007, 06:55:48 PM
I read that nRon APul is only popular on the internet, and that he doesn't have any real chance of winning anything.  Thank God!  Could you imagine that big nosed bird as president!  He would start up another holocaust against the jews
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: The Shadow on November 01, 2007, 06:57:25 PM
I just read  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

I agree 100% with everything he stands for.....and if you really think about it most of you probably do also.......the thing with foreign police just means he doesn't want the federal government involved.......People who support Israel have a lot of money and power, and there is no reason that we would not be able to use that influence in a free amrekt situation.............of course it is only a pipe dream, he would be killed long before he could ever be sworn in...........But Ron Paul isn's anti Israel per se.....he's just kind of big socialist washington style corporate welfare....well, just anti-B.S.

My money and my vote will go to the lost cause.....he shows us what we could and should be......shame on anyone who can not support the only honest man in the race.


Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: The Shadow on November 01, 2007, 06:59:21 PM
I just read  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

I agree 100% with everything he stands for.....and if you really think about it most of you probably do also.......the thing with foreign police just means he doesn't want the federal government involved.......People who support Israel have a lot of money and power, and there is no reason that we would not be able to use that influence in a free amrekt situation.............of course it is only a pipe dream, he would be killed long before he could ever be sworn in...........But Ron Paul isn's anti Israel per se.....he's just kind of big socialist washington style corporate welfare....well, just anti-B.S.

My money and my vote will go to the lost cause.....he shows us what we could and should be......shame on anyone who can not support the only honest man in the race.



Let's just flush Ron Paul down the toilet, the nose and the body
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Joe Gutfeld on November 01, 2007, 07:03:57 PM
That's a good idea Shadow.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Bodhi on November 01, 2007, 07:20:19 PM
  I never thought I would see the day that on the JTF forum, that a Gentile was made fun of for of all thiongs his nose ?? :::D
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on November 01, 2007, 07:39:22 PM
Here are some questions for all you "Conservative Republican Patriots":

1) If we are having a democratic election, then why have the Republicans deliberately not invited Ron Paul to attend their "debates"?..and,

2) Why have the Republicans REFUSED to allow Dr. Alan Keyes, whose resume,politics, and patriotism far exceed any and all candidates of whatever stripe or party, from running for President?  Why are they afraid of this black genius and public servant under Ronald Reagan?

3) If we are living in a democratic Republic under the Constitution of the United States of America, then why are only two parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, allowed to run for office?

4) Why is it that whoever can get the highest dollar amount in contributions is seemingly viewed as the pre-ordained winner and promoted as such both by the media as well as the two parties?

5) One of Bush's biggest supporters and contributors during his first election was none other than "Dr." Sami Al-Arian, one of the most vicious and insane Nazi Muslim Jihadists who ever lived, "a close personal friend of the Bush family".  Is that the reason the Republicans are the Conservatives?

6) If every Republican candidate (the only exception being Dr. Ron Paul) now in the race is "bought and owned" by the Communist Chinese and the Muslim Nazi Arab Saudis and Dubai, and every Democrat candidate bar none is also "bought and owned" by Saudi Muslim Nazi Arab Saudis and Dubai, as well as the Communist Chinese, then what can possibly make you think that "candidate x" of your choice will be "the lesser of two evils"?

So far most of the replies have been more of the same inane drivel about "Paul equals Devil".

It becomes increasingly clear that the majority of such posters have no political education or understanding, being that most of them can't proffer any facts or realities...they just enjoy "jingoistic" catch phrases which they repeat endlessly to demonize someone about whom they know nothing.

I rarely put forth any more political arguments or views on this forum because I have come to the unpleasant conclusion that the majority of posters here applaud the words of Chaim Ben Pesach when he correctly states that ALL Jews should live in Israel, and that ALL foreign aid should be cut...especially to Israel, but the words go in one ear and out the other as soon as the audio/video is over...then those of whom to which I refer side with whichever candidate which is going to promise to continue sending more and more and more money and arms to Israel in order to be her "protector".  Any candidate which actually echoes JTF Platform positions of ending all foreign aid, ending the IRS & income tax, and saving America as well as Israel, is denounced as a devil and the worst monster who ever lived.

...very interesting to say the very least.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Wayne Jude on November 01, 2007, 07:45:02 PM
Yeah lets not make nose Jokes.LOL ;) :)
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: The Shadow on November 01, 2007, 08:30:30 PM
  I never thought I would see the day that on the JTF forum, that a Gentile was made fun of for of all thiongs his nose ?? :::D

If I had Ron Paul's nose filled with nickels I'd be a wealthy man
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Wayne Jude on November 01, 2007, 08:31:34 PM
HA ha then you would be rich if you were me! ;) :)
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: The Shadow on November 01, 2007, 08:36:29 PM
Ron Paul is a creep with a pecker nose.  You're no creep, Wayne!
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Wayne Jude on November 01, 2007, 08:38:26 PM
Damn!I like you shadows.WHO knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men....THE Shadow knows!
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on November 01, 2007, 08:47:46 PM
It's amazing how many Jews actually support anti-semites.

Any Jew who supports Ron Paul is a self-hating Jew.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Bodhi on November 01, 2007, 08:52:20 PM
  How is Ron Paul an anti-semite? 

  I would like to know.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: The Shadow on November 01, 2007, 09:05:08 PM
  How is Ron Paul an anti-semite? 

  I would like to know.

Bhodi, are you Jewish?  Just wondering
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Muck DeFuslims on November 01, 2007, 09:47:24 PM
Here are some questions for all you "Conservative Republican Patriots":

1) If we are having a democratic election, then why have the Republicans deliberately not invited Ron Paul to attend their "debates"?..and,

2) Why have the Republicans REFUSED to allow Dr. Alan Keyes, whose resume,politics, and patriotism far exceed any and all candidates of whatever stripe or party, from running for President?  Why are they afraid of this black genius and public servant under Ronald Reagan?

3) If we are living in a democratic Republic under the Constitution of the United States of America, then why are only two parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, allowed to run for office?

4) Why is it that whoever can get the highest dollar amount in contributions is seemingly viewed as the pre-ordained winner and promoted as such both by the media as well as the two parties?

5) One of Bush's biggest supporters and contributors during his first election was none other than "Dr." Sami Al-Arian, one of the most vicious and insane Nazi Muslim Jihadists who ever lived, "a close personal friend of the Bush family".  Is that the reason the Republicans are the Conservatives?

6) If every Republican candidate (the only exception being Dr. Ron Paul) now in the race is "bought and owned" by the Communist Chinese and the Muslim Nazi Arab Saudis and Dubai, and every Democrat candidate bar none is also "bought and owned" by Saudi Muslim Nazi Arab Saudis and Dubai, as well as the Communist Chinese, then what can possibly make you think that "candidate x" of your choice will be "the lesser of two evils"?

So far most of the replies have been more of the same inane drivel about "Paul equals Devil".

It becomes increasingly clear that the majority of such posters have no political education or understanding, being that most of them can't proffer any facts or realities...they just enjoy "jingoistic" catch phrases which they repeat endlessly to demonize someone about whom they know nothing.

I rarely put forth any more political arguments or views on this forum because I have come to the unpleasant conclusion that the majority of posters here applaud the words of Chaim Ben Pesach when he correctly states that ALL Jews should live in Israel, and that ALL foreign aid should be cut...especially to Israel, but the words go in one ear and out the other as soon as the audio/video is over...then those of whom to which I refer side with whichever candidate which is going to promise to continue sending more and more and more money and arms to Israel in order to be her "protector".  Any candidate which actually echoes JTF Platform positions of ending all foreign aid, ending the IRS & income tax, and saving America as well as Israel, is denounced as a devil and the worst monster who ever lived.

...very interesting to say the very least.

This really is an absurd post.

1) If we are having a democratic election, then why have the Republicans deliberately not invited Ron Paul to attend their "debates"?..and,

Ron Paul has been at several of the debates.

2) Why have the Republicans REFUSED to allow Dr. Alan Keyes, whose resume,politics, and patriotism far exceed any and all candidates of whatever stripe or party, from running for President?  Why are they afraid of this black genius and public servant under Ronald Reagan?

Keyes has never been prevented or refused the opportunity to run.

3) If we are living in a democratic Republic under the Constitution of the United States of America, then why are only two parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, allowed to run for office?

Other parties are allowed, and do run for office.

I rarely put forth any more political arguments or views on this forum because I have come to the unpleasant conclusion that the majority of posters here applaud the words of Chaim Ben Pesach when he correctly states that ALL Jews should live in Israel, and that ALL foreign aid should be cut...especially to Israel, but the words go in one ear and out the other as soon as the audio/video is over...then those of whom to which I refer side with whichever candidate which is going to promise to continue sending more and more and more money and arms to Israel in order to be her "protector".  Any candidate which actually echoes JTF Platform positions of ending all foreign aid, ending the IRS & income tax, and saving America as well as Israel, is denounced as a devil and the worst monster who ever lived.

Apparently, you haven't heard what Chaim has to say about Ron Paul. If you have, it must have gone in one ear and out the other. So it's disingenuous for you to complain about this.
People that oppose Ron Paul aren't doing so because he wants to end the IRS and income tax, or his foreign aid policy, or his policies which might echo the JTF platform.

Ron Paulistinian is a dhimmi [censored] mooozie appeaser, isolationist, anti-Semitic buttclown.

Naturally, he's got the support of the mooozies, neo-nazis, 9/11 truthers, and assorted other scum. He's yet to disassociate himself from these groups.

Unfortunately, he's even got the support of some mentally impaired JTFers as well.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on November 01, 2007, 10:11:46 PM
It's very disturbing that quite a few JTF members support this nut.

How can people constantly ask how is he an anti-semite when the proof is all over the place; in the debates he's attended, in the essays he's written and the donations he's accepted from Nazi StørmFrønt.

Go to a search engine and type in his name, or go to YouTube and watch parts of the debates he's attended and the interviews he's given for all the proof one needs to properly accuse Ron Paul of being an anti-American Nazi.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: The Shadow on November 01, 2007, 10:42:49 PM
It's very disturbing that quite a few JTF members support this nut.

How can people constantly ask how is he an anti-semite when the proof is all over the place; in the debates he's attended, in the essays he's written and the donations he's accepted from Nazi StørmFrønt.

Go to a search engine and type in his name, or go to YouTube and watch parts of the debates he's attended and the interviews he's given for all the proof one needs to properly accuse Ron Paul of being an anti-American Nazi.

I'm with you Baruch!  Jews who support him have self-hating screwed up brains.   There's a lot of screwed up Jews, also has been, always will.  These Jews and Christian Ron Paul supporters just "play dumb" they know he's an antisemite. People who either play dumb, or are dumb, aren't worth the the time to argue with. 
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: Barach Velvel ben Lazer Eliazer on November 01, 2007, 11:02:44 PM
It's very disturbing that quite a few JTF members support this nut.

How can people constantly ask how is he an anti-semite when the proof is all over the place; in the debates he's attended, in the essays he's written and the donations he's accepted from Nazi StørmFrønt.

Go to a search engine and type in his name, or go to YouTube and watch parts of the debates he's attended and the interviews he's given for all the proof one needs to properly accuse Ron Paul of being an anti-American Nazi.

I'm with you Baruch!  Jews who support him have self-hating screwed up brains.   There's a lot of screwed up Jews, also has been, always will.  These Jews and Christian Ron Paul supporters just "play dumb" they know he's an antisemite. People who either play dumb, or are dumb, aren't worth the the time to argue with. 
But the scary thing is there's about ten people here who back him, and I'm sure there's more who haven't discussed their views on him yet.

He doesn't stand a chance of getting nominated, but the very fact that people would want to support such a hateful individual shows how sicked and twisted some people are.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: The Shadow on November 01, 2007, 11:07:26 PM
Baruch- I dont argue with these people.  I couldn't care less.
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: mord on November 02, 2007, 07:01:58 AM
Mel Gibson's anti semite father endorses Ron Paul                   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cphTr8W9OnA
Title: Re: Is Ron Paul the most honest candidate?
Post by: mord on November 02, 2007, 07:08:49 AM
Ron Paul draws Cheers from Arabs in Dearborn  http://youtube.com/watch?v=GgEkZoe025Y