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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: newman on November 09, 2007, 05:51:55 AM
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Are Masses of Christians Prepared to Trade there Well-Worn Crosses for the Eternal Jewish Faith?
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What kind of question is that, they're all clinging to a Jew right now (named Jesus).
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What kind of question is that, they're all clinging to a Jew right now (named Jesus).
Wasn't he a Reform Rabbi? ;D
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Newman, it's not right to provoke the Christians like that on here.
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Newman, it's not right to provoke the Christians like that on here.
What provocation?
It was a legitimate topic on Tovia Singer's show relating to Torah prophesy.
THIS IS THE TORAH BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christians know full-well that many of Torah's verses contradict their beliefs. If they read this board they WILL see things that they may find uncomfortable.
Is a discussion about the comming of Messiach and his rebuilding of the physical (not heavenly ) temple a "provocation" of christians, too because it is not their version of things?
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Christianity has not only been provoking the Jewish people, but KILLING them, through the centuries, and you say it isn't right to "provoke" the Christians on the Torah board?!
Today's Christianity is PAULINE Christianity. You can trace its teachings right back to the so-called "apostle Paul". Shaul/Sheol (the two words are spelled the same in pre-Masoretic Hebrew) of Tarsus taught AGAINST the Torah, whether to Jew or Gentile.
The only truly Torah-observant forms of belief in Yeshua as Messiah are the Ebionites led by Shemayah Phillips and the Netzarim, found under the same name on YouTube, based in Israel.
Florus constantly and intentionally provoked the Jewish people of the 1st Century to rebel against their Roman occupiers. When they did, Rome moved in with its armies to target the object of its lust, Jerusalem, its Temple, and its riches.
Christians should be bowing at the feet of the Jews and pleading for their very lives, and you're worried we might offend them?
Any so-called "Messianic Jew" who teaches that Paul kept and taught the Torah is either an ignoramus or a very cynical anti-Jewish LIAR.
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Christianity has not only been provoking the Jewish people, but KILLING them, through the centuries, and you say it isn't right to "provoke" the Christians on the Torah board?!
Today's Christianity is PAULINE Christianity. You can trace its teachings right back to the so-called "apostle Paul". Shaul/Sheol (the two words are spelled the same in pre-Masoretic Hebrew) of Tarsus taught AGAINST the Torah, whether to Jew or Gentile.
The only truly Torah-observant forms of belief in Yeshua as Messiah are the Ebionites led by Shemayah Phillips and the Netzarim, found under the same name on YouTube, based in Israel.
Florus constantly and intentionally provoked the Jewish people of the 1st Century to rebel against their Roman occupiers. When they did, Rome moved in with its armies to target the object of its lust, Jerusalem, its Temple, and its riches.
Christians should be bowing at the feet of the Jews and pleading for their very lives, and you're worried we might offend them?
Any so-called "Messianic Jew" who teaches that Paul kept and taught the Torah is either an ignoramus or a very cynical anti-Jewish LIAR.
The Ebionites are full of it. Ebionites disappeared over a thousand years ago.
Anyone calling themselves Ebionites today is deceiving people.
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Christianity has not only been provoking the Jewish people, but KILLING them, through the centuries, and you say it isn't right to "provoke" the Christians on the Torah board?!
Today's Christianity is PAULINE Christianity. You can trace its teachings right back to the so-called "apostle Paul". Shaul/Sheol (the two words are spelled the same in pre-Masoretic Hebrew) of Tarsus taught AGAINST the Torah, whether to Jew or Gentile.
The only truly Torah-observant forms of belief in Yeshua as Messiah are the Ebionites led by Shemayah Phillips and the Netzarim, found under the same name on YouTube, based in Israel.
Florus constantly and intentionally provoked the Jewish people of the 1st Century to rebel against their Roman occupiers. When they did, Rome moved in with its armies to target the object of its lust, Jerusalem, its Temple, and its riches.
Christians should be bowing at the feet of the Jews and pleading for their very lives, and you're worried we might offend them?
Any so-called "Messianic Jew" who teaches that Paul kept and taught the Torah is either an ignoramus or a very cynical anti-Jewish LIAR.
The Ebionites are full of it. Ebionites disappeared over a thousand years ago.
Anyone calling themselves Ebionites today is deceiving people.
Anyone with a different theological perspective to the church of Rome found themselves getting intimate with hot pokers. NO original followers of yeshu would have survived the 3rd century.
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Thank yoooooo.
Constantine's mother had an Ebionite tortured until he told her where the "Holy Sephulchre" was.
He apparently lied.
Because
A) They found his tomb in East Talpiot and
B) No One was EVER Buried in the Old City.
So if this is how Ebionites were being treated by their co-religionists the second that Constantine adopted Christianity, they couldn't have survived the century.
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Look, I'm not pushing Ebionite religion, but Shemayah Phillips is not a B.S. artist. He's very knowledgeable.
My one big complaint with him is that he doesn't seem to have a Jerusalemocentric worldview.
And he never claimed that he possesses an uninterrupted line of authority. That's a Catholic and Mormon claim.
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Newman, it's not right to provoke the Christians like that on here.
What provocation?
It was a legitimate topic on Tovia Singer's show relating to Torah prophesy.
THIS IS THE TORAH BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christians know full-well that many of Torah's verses contradict their beliefs. If they read this board they WILL see things that they may find uncomfortable.
Is a discussion about the comming of Messiach and his rebuilding of the physical (not heavenly ) temple a "provocation" of christians, too because it is not their version of things?
Hello Newman,
Christians are not at all provoked by the building of the 3rd temple. All Zionist Christians (including myself) believe in the physical building of the 3rd temple. We also believe in the rise of a Jewish man who would bring world peace, unite all nations, stop wars and gather all Jews back to Israel. This person will be accepted by all Jews as their Messiah because he would rebuild the 3rd temple, stopping wars etc. However Christians believe that this person would eventually deceive the Jews by installing an idol in the 3rd temple. That is called as the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 9:27.
In Christianity this man is known as the anti-Christ. Do you remember Jerry Falwell once saying that the anti-Christ would be a Jewish male which provoked criticism from the Jewish community?. Even Daniel in this forum once asked Chaim about this. Chaim did not answer that particular question related to Jerry Falwell.
Both Jesus and Paul taught about this: Matthew 24:15-22, II Theselonians 2:1-12
You have also stated "If they read this board they WILL see things that they may find uncomfortable." Not at all. I am more and more comfortable and strongly convinced that we are living in the end times and anticipating the final redemption. For Christians rebuilding the 3rd Jewish temple must occur before Jesus returns. In Christian eschatology we study a lot about this and Christian scholars have different opinions about how the 3rd temple will be rebuilt. (I asked a question about this to Chaim several weeks ago.)
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Newman, it's not right to provoke the Christians like that on here.
What provocation?
It was a legitimate topic on Tovia Singer's show relating to Torah prophesy.
THIS IS THE TORAH BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christians know full-well that many of Torah's verses contradict their beliefs. If they read this board they WILL see things that they may find uncomfortable.
Is a discussion about the comming of Messiach and his rebuilding of the physical (not heavenly ) temple a "provocation" of christians, too because it is not their version of things?
Hello Newman,
Christians are not at all provoked by the building of the 3rd temple. All Zionist Christians (including myself) believe in the physical building of the 3rd temple. We also believe in the rise of a Jewish man who would bring world peace, unite all nations, stop wars and gather all Jews back to Israel. This person will be accepted by all Jews as their Messiah because he would rebuild the 3rd temple, stopping wars etc. However Christians believe that this person would eventually deceive the Jews by installing an idol in the 3rd temple. That is called as the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 9:27.
In Christianity this man is known as the anti-Christ. Do you remember Jerry Falwell once saying that the anti-Christ would be a Jewish male which provoked criticism from the Jewish community?. Even Daniel in this forum once asked Chaim about this. Chaim did not answer that particular question related to Jerry Falwell.
Both Jesus and Paul taught about this: Matthew 24:15-22, II Theselonians 2:1-12
You have also stated "If they read this board they WILL see things that they may find uncomfortable." Not at all. I am more and more comfortable and strongly convinced that we are living in the end times and anticipating the final redemption.
I believe NOTHING that adds to or takes away from Torah.
These whacky stories about Jewish anti-christs are part of the inbuilt anti-semitism of the Roman conceived NT. You shouldn't spread it.
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Do you want to know what the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 9:27 is REALLY talking about?
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What kind of question is that, they're all clinging to a Jew right now (named Jesus).
Wasn't he a Reform Rabbi? ;D
Nope. B"H, back then they didn't have they "Reformed Movement," and everyone (save a few heretics) saw him for what he was.
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Do you want to know what the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 9:27 is REALLY talking about?
I'd like to know.
Me too. Please tell us. :)
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I heard it was when the maccabees had to defeat antiochous and cleanse the temple because he desecreated it.Olmert is similar to Antiochous
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I heard it was when the maccabees had to defeat antiochous and cleanse the temple because he desecreated it.Olmert is similar to Antiochous
Not quite...
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Do you want to know what the "abomination of desolation" in Daniel 9:27 is REALLY talking about?
I'd like to know.
Me too. Please tell us. :)
Oh. Ok. You just need to look in Rashi.
The Roman emperor made a treaty with the Jews for seven years..but for the sencond half of that term the Romans violated that covenant and impeded the Temple service.
The "mute abomination" (shikutizm meshomaim") refers to a temple of idolatry was erected by the the emperor Hadrian on the Temple Mount.
That's what is being prophesied about in this passage.
Read the whole verse you'll see how much sense it makes.
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Thank yoooooo.
Constantine's mother had an Ebionite tortured until he told her where the "Holy Sephulchre" was.
He apparently lied.
Because
A) They found his tomb in East Talpiot and
B) No One was EVER Buried in the Old City.
So if this is how Ebionites were being treated by their co-religionists the second that Constantine adopted Christianity, they couldn't have survived the century.
Constantine was born in Serbia, city of Nish...
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@lubab
Thank you :)