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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on November 10, 2007, 10:37:01 PM
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I think they are more evil than the Muslim savages. These are fellow Jews (by birth) who are helping the most satanic monsters in the world get off. They enable Jew-killers to flourish and prosper.
Arafat (burning in hell as we speak, thank G-d) and Farrakhan have the excuse that their Cro-Magnon "religion" severely stunted their brains and their natural knowledge of right vs. wrong. The kapos do not have this mitigating factor.
Chaimfan
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They are simply blind fools
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Derschowitz is just a blah blah Jew... He means well, but has been brain washed by the evil which exists in today's society. And quite frankly, that's how the majority of Jews are today...I know a lot of people here like to call them self hating...and some are truely evil self hating pieces of filth...but i think a lot more of these "self haters" are nothing more than well meaning left winged stupid dimwit weakling Jews. A bunch of "girly men" so to speak.
Kahane, and people like him, is the type of person who i would consider to be a true Jew to it's fullest.
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He's not just a "blah-blah Jew". He is a rodef. He helps Jew-murdering schwartze and Muslim savages get off. He once boasted that he would be able to get Hitler off.
The Bible calls men like Dershowitz Amalek.
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If that's what he stands for than clearly he is AMALEK... I thought that he was just a Mike 'The Kike' type Jew, bending over backwards to serve the Blacks over his own people.
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If that's what he stands for than clearly he is AMALEK... I thought that he was just a Mike 'The Kike' type Jew, bending over backwards to serve the Blacks over his own people.
Mike the Dyke is Amalek too. He wants to give the whole store to illegals and he enables butchers like the Crown Heights mob who beat and stabbed Yankel Rosenbaum to death.
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dont' get me wrong, these types of Jews need to be smacked around..i'm not defending their words or actions...But amalek are the people they defend..I woudl rather get the guilty than those who defend them..thsoe who defend the guilty shoudl be smacked around and brainwashed with torture back to normalcy.
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I think that he is a member of the Erev Rav and I wouldn't mind if he died of colon cancer tomorrow.
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Alan Dershowitz is plain WRONG regarding the Two State Sollution. He is also opposed to religion in government which is contrary to Judaic principals.
However.............
Let's not get silly and put him in the same camp as Shapiro and Chompsky (both of whom HATE Dershowitz, BTW).
I have 2 copies of his "The case for Israel". In it he destroys every anti-Israel myth put up by the muSSlim-nazis, UN, EU and liberal media. For this reason alone he deserves SOME commendation. Secondly, as a liberal ACLU twit, he stands the best chance of getting through to the left (they'll listen to him over any right-wing orthodox zionist).
I can live with his advocacy of a Two State dissaster because it is proving itself to be a failure before everyone's eyes and will soon have ZERO credibility.
Yes Dershowitz is opposed to Kahanism, but he does a fair job of telling the truth regarding Israel's legitimacy and legal/moral right to exist. He's a BAD Kahanist, but a 'GOOD' liberal.
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I think that he is a member of the Erev Rav and I wouldn't mind if he died of colon cancer tomorrow.
Amen. I wish a Hamas rocket would blow him to pieces (but that he wouldn't immediately die).
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I think polls like this are silly. And its not a good idea and not a good thing having a gentile make such a poll and statement. Are their problems within Jews, yes, but issues like these are best kept within the people and not have an outsider do anything.
Remember " I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee" is not conditionally.
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I think polls like this are silly. And its not a good idea and not a good thing having a gentile make such a poll and statement. Are their problems within Jews, yes, but issues like these are best kept within the people and not have an outsider do anything.
Remember " I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee" is not conditionally.
Give it a rest already, everybody knows you think I am an evil goy. ::)
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I think polls like this are silly. And its not a good idea and not a good thing having a gentile make such a poll and statement. Are their problems within Jews, yes, but issues like these are best kept within the people and not have an outsider do anything.
Remember " I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee" is not conditionally.
Give it a rest already, everybody knows you think I am an evil goy. ::)
I like this goy...but when i say like, I'm not talking about like like...LOL
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Alan Dershowitz is plain WRONG regarding the Two State Sollution. He is also opposed to religion in government which is contrary to Judaic principals.
However.............
Let's not get silly and put him in the same camp as Shapiro and Chompsky (both of whom HATE Dershowitz, BTW).
I have 2 copies of his "The case for Israel". In it he destroys every anti-Israel myth put up by the muSSlim-nazis, UN, EU and liberal media. For this reason alone he deserves SOME commendation. Secondly, as a liberal ACLU twit, he stands the best chance of getting through to the left (they'll listen to him over any right-wing orthodox zionist).
I can live with his advocacy of a Two State dissaster because it is proving itself to be a failure before everyone's eyes and will soon have ZERO credibility.
Yes Dershowitz is opposed to Kahanism, but he does a fair job of telling the truth regarding Israel's legitimacy and legal/moral right to exist. He's a BAD Kahanist, but a 'GOOD' liberal.
Good post, Newman.
Dershowitz is a classic labour Zionist of the 1960's mould, (which is more right-wing than the present Likud) who appreciated the 1967 victory for giving Israel the security buffer it so desperately needed to survive while swimming in sea of Arab Muslim sharks.
However, Dershowitz is in love with Israel's suicidal peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan. Similar to Netanyahu, Dershowitz is under the illusion that 'peace' with the "Palestinians" is within reach if only they will stop teaching their children to hate. By placing the onus of responsibility on the Arabs, these two parties definitely are a notch above the Smolmerts, Sharon's, and Rabin's.
Nonetheless, the belief that the Arabs will stop teaching their children to hate Jews is extraordinarily naive. When you have a hatred of genocidal proportions for a group of people, as the Arabs do for the Jews, they will not just wake up one morning and stop praising Hitler.
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Explain why you dislike him.
He's much better than Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky.
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Explain why you dislike him.
He's much better than Norman Finkelstein and Noam Chomsky.
You took the words right out of my mouth! I wish there was a choice provided for "not as evil as Finkelstein and Chomsky." As wrong as Dershowitz might be, he is MUCH more pro-Israel than Finkelstein and Chomsky. Dershowitz is also extremely critical of Arafat and PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi terrorism. He's also extremely critical of Jimmy Carter.
I personally find the debate that he had with Rabbi Kahane at Boston University ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7174643040219291823&q=dershowitz+kahane&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 ) to be the most intellectually stimulating video on the internet! As much as we might disagree with Dershowitz, I think we should at least recognize that at least he was willing to debate Rabbi Kahane. Even Kahane stated at the end of the debate that he at least respected Dershowitz for debating him instead of defaming him like so many other people did.
In contrast to that, look at the debate that Dershowitz had with Chomsky where Dershowitz was clearly a LOT more pro-Israel than Chomsky where Chomsky was very pro-PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi and got lots of applause from all the arabs in the audience every time he spoke. I loved it whenever Chomsky tried to claim that certain documents existed establishing human rights violations in Israel. Every time Chomsky did this, Dershowitz completely exposed Chomsky as being completely full of bull doodoo by stating that these documents only exist on "Planet Chomsky!" Also, take a look at the debate between Dershowitz and Finkelstein on Democracy Now where Norman did nothing but [censored] Dershowitz all over the place the entire time.
You know how Chaim always makes the point how the Republicans are really bad, but the Democrats are that much worse. I think we need to make the same distinction when it comes to Dershowitz. As wrong or as bad as he might be, Chomsky, Finkelstein, Carter, and Arafat are that much worse!
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But what in particular is Dershowitz wrong about? I'm not familiar with everything that he says.
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But what in particular is Dershowitz wrong about? I'm not familiar with everything that he says.
The way I used to think, if I had seen this debate back in the 80s and 90s, I would have agreed with Dershowitz more. But after everything that has happened since then, with the failure of Oslo and the Camp David Accords followed by the second intifada, I think it turned out that while Dershowitz was trying to be more humane and idealistic, Kahane was the one that actually proved to me more realistic and more correct about what the future was going to hold for us. I like Dershowitz's ideas more and if would have been nice if it worked, except that it didn't. I think that Kahane's ideas eventually proved to be more realistic and correct, as unfortunate as it maybe.
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But what in particular is Dershowitz wrong about? I'm not familiar with everything that he says.
The way I used to think, if I had seen this debate back in the 80s and 90s, I would have agreed with Dershowitz more. But after everything that has happened since then, with the failure of Oslo and the Camp David Accords followed by the second intifada, I think it turned out that while Dershowitz was trying to be more humane and idealistic, Kahane was the one that actually proved to me more realistic and more correct about what the future was going to hold for us. I like Dershowitz's ideas more and if would have been nice if it worked, except that it didn't. I think that Kahane's ideas eventually proved to be more realistic and correct, as unfortunate as it maybe.
Many rational liberal-slanted people would take that view if we could just get the message out.
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But what in particular is Dershowitz wrong about? I'm not familiar with everything that he says.
The way I used to think, if I had seen this debate back in the 80s and 90s, I would have agreed with Dershowitz more. But after everything that has happened since then, with the failure of Oslo and the Camp David Accords followed by the second intifada, I think it turned out that while Dershowitz was trying to be more humane and idealistic, Kahane was the one that actually proved to me more realistic and more correct about what the future was going to hold for us. I like Dershowitz's ideas more and if would have been nice if it worked, except that it didn't. I think that Kahane's ideas eventually proved to be more realistic and correct, as unfortunate as it maybe.
Many rational liberal-slanted people would take that view if we could just get the message out.
I think that that's the one point we can agree on.
For me personally, my agreement with a lot of what Kahane said isn't based on a religious foundation, but it's based on the evidence of what has happened in Israel and what is still going on there today. I wish that I could say that Dershowitz was right. I like his ideas of "compromise" a whole lot more. But it was tried many times and has failed miserably! It's with a heavy heart that I say that Kahane was right. But based on what has happened since that debate, I think that Kahane was clearly the one who was proven to be correct.
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I think that that's the one point we can agree on.
For me personally, my agreement with a lot of what Kahane said isn't based on a religious foundation, but it's based on the evidence of what has happened in Israel and what is still going on there today. I wish that I could say that Dershowitz was right. I like his ideas of "compromise" a whole lot more. But it was tried many times and has failed miserably! It's with a heavy heart that I say that Kahane was right. But based on what has happened since that debate, I think that Kahane was clearly the one who was proven to be correct.
So then this thread is based on a debate that he had with Kahane in the 80's? And Dershowitz was advocating for Israel to give away land? Are you sure that he is still in favor of that?
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Does anyone here know of Norman Finkelstein? People say he is antisemitic although he is Jewish and he supports the arab occupying islamic filth and their cause over Israel.
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He's not just a "blah-blah Jew". He is a rodef. He helps Jew-murdering schwartze and Muslim savages get off. He once boasted that he would be able to get Hitler off.
The Bible calls men like Dershowitz Amalek.
The only good thing about Alan Dershowitz is that he defended Rabbi Kahane countless amounts of times in court. He saved Rabbi Kahane many many years of jail and because of that Rabbi Kahane was able to continue his campaign to free soviet Jews. He and Rabbi Kahane were friendly to each other although they had heated debates. Some debates are available on youtube.
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I think that that's the one point we can agree on.
For me personally, my agreement with a lot of what Kahane said isn't based on a religious foundation, but it's based on the evidence of what has happened in Israel and what is still going on there today. I wish that I could say that Dershowitz was right. I like his ideas of "compromise" a whole lot more. But it was tried many times and has failed miserably! It's with a heavy heart that I say that Kahane was right. But based on what has happened since that debate, I think that Kahane was clearly the one who was proven to be correct.
So then this thread is based on a debate that he had with Kahane in the 80's? And Dershowitz was advocating for Israel to give away land? Are you sure that he is still in favor of that?
In his more recent videos, he's still speaks in favor of Israel in a very forceful manner. But I believe that he also mentioned that the settlments should be dismantled. I respect Dershowitz and think he has Israel's best interest at heart. I just no longer agree that this is the path to go down anymore.
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But what in particular is Dershowitz wrong about? I'm not familiar with everything that he says.
The way I used to think, if I had seen this debate back in the 80s and 90s, I would have agreed with Dershowitz more. But after everything that has happened since then, with the failure of Oslo and the Camp David Accords followed by the second intifada, I think it turned out that while Dershowitz was trying to be more humane and idealistic, Kahane was the one that actually proved to me more realistic and more correct about what the future was going to hold for us. I like Dershowitz's ideas more and if would have been nice if it worked, except that it didn't. I think that Kahane's ideas eventually proved to be more realistic and correct, as unfortunate as it maybe.
Many rational liberal-slanted people would take that view if we could just get the message out.
I think that that's the one point we can agree on.
For me personally, my agreement with a lot of what Kahane said isn't based on a religious foundation, but it's based on the evidence of what has happened in Israel and what is still going on there today. I wish that I could say that Dershowitz was right. I like his ideas of "compromise" a whole lot more. But it was tried many times and has failed miserably! It's with a heavy heart that I say that Kahane was right. But based on what has happened since that debate, I think that Kahane was clearly the one who was proven to be correct.
Compromise is a thing that is best reserved for use when equals are dealing with each other. In the case of Israel a country surrounded by Arabs nothing is equal. In most cases if one of the parties gets the idea that they have the upper hand then it will no longer be a compromise but a lets see how much I can get before this becomes a problem. The Rav saw this game for what it was. He warned people once you start giving in you will open the flood gates to total surrender. He was right then, his ideas are correct today, and in 20 years they will still be right. He knew what he was dealing with and didn't allow his judgement to be impaired by public opinion. Why do you say "It's with a heavy heart that I say that Kahane was right." He was right it's just that simple! The only reason you should feel as you do is the fact that if more people took the Rav's advice back then we would now be that much further into the correct solution today.
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Brilliant lawyer or not.
Rabbi Kahane trounced him in every single debate they ever had.
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It doesn't matter if he defended Rabbi Kahane in court. It doesn't matter that he agreed to a debate with him. This piece of dreck has said vicious things against Kahanism, wants a "two-state-solution" and to hand over huge amounts of tiny Israel to the Muslim Nazis, and for a fee defends the most monstrous predators in the world in court so that they get off.
He is MORE dangerous than the outright Jewish Nazis like Noam Chomsky and Israel Shahak, because he has the reputation of being pro-Israel. In this respect, he's like the PLO, which is more dangerous than Hamas because they won't openly admit these days that they want to see Israel outright destroyed.
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He's an Erev Rav traitor, that's for sure.
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But what in particular is Dershowitz wrong about? I'm not familiar with everything that he says.
The way I used to think, if I had seen this debate back in the 80s and 90s, I would have agreed with Dershowitz more. But after everything that has happened since then, with the failure of Oslo and the Camp David Accords followed by the second intifada, I think it turned out that while Dershowitz was trying to be more humane and idealistic, Kahane was the one that actually proved to me more realistic and more correct about what the future was going to hold for us. I like Dershowitz's ideas more and if would have been nice if it worked, except that it didn't. I think that Kahane's ideas eventually proved to be more realistic and correct, as unfortunate as it maybe.
Many rational liberal-slanted people would take that view if we could just get the message out.
I think that that's the one point we can agree on.
For me personally, my agreement with a lot of what Kahane said isn't based on a religious foundation, but it's based on the evidence of what has happened in Israel and what is still going on there today. I wish that I could say that Dershowitz was right. I like his ideas of "compromise" a whole lot more. But it was tried many times and has failed miserably! It's with a heavy heart that I say that Kahane was right. But based on what has happened since that debate, I think that Kahane was clearly the one who was proven to be correct.
Compromise is a thing that is best reserved for use when equals are dealing with each other. In the case of Israel a country surrounded by Arabs nothing is equal. In most cases if one of the parties gets the idea that they have the upper hand then it will no longer be a compromise but a lets see how much I can get before this becomes a problem. The Rav saw this game for what it was. He warned people once you start giving in you will open the flood gates to total surrender. He was right then, his ideas are correct today, and in 20 years they will still be right. He knew what he was dealing with and didn't allow his judgement to be impaired by public opinion. Why do you say "It's with a heavy heart that I say that Kahane was right." He was right it's just that simple! The only reason you should feel as you do is the fact that if more people took the Rav's advice back then we would now be that much further into the correct solution today.
The reaons why I said that it's with a heavy heart is that one an emotional level, I liked Dershowitz's message more and found it a lot more palatable. But now on an intellectual level, I realize that Kahane was the one that was more correct. In watching both of them, I thought they both made excellent points and found myself respecting both of their views a great deal. I found it tough to determine which one I agreed with more. As I said, even though in the spirit of things, I like Dershowitz's message more, I now conclude that Kahane was more realistic and more correct. However, when it comes to Dershowitz debating Chomsky, I wholeheartedly agree with Dershowitz and feel that Chomsky is completely full of BS. But these are just my opinions. I don't expect many of you to agree with me on a lot of what I say here.
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It doesn't matter if he defended Rabbi Kahane in court. It doesn't matter that he agreed to a debate with him. This piece of dreck has said vicious things against Kahanism, wants a "two-state-solution" and to hand over huge amounts of tiny Israel to the Muslim Nazis, and for a fee defends the most monstrous predators in the world in court so that they get off.
He is MORE dangerous than the outright Jewish Nazis like Noam Chomsky and Israel Shahak, because he has the reputation of being pro-Israel. In this respect, he's like the PLO, which is more dangerous than Hamas because they won't openly admit these days that they want to see Israel outright destroyed.
I do not believe that Dershowitz wants Israel destroyed for a second.
I do believe that because of his agnosticism and liberal bent he believes (as many liberals naively do) that a final settlement, globalism, a factory job a big TV and a new Toyota will turn religious fanatics into normal people and fascilitate peace.
This is one of the root causes of the west's obsession with the 'peace' plan(aside from regular Jew-hatred). The Earth's real rulers (multinational business) have (because of ignorance and a lack of religious understanding) decided the Israel/arab conflict is the main cause of islamic terror and anti-western sentiment. And that the conflict is the chief stumbling block in their plans for a one-world, corporate-fascist state with 90% of us being a permanant underclass ruled by a 10% elite. Dershowitz is simply another 'believer'. He does, however take a definite stand on Israel's legitimacy and does a very good job at exposing PLO/muSSlim-nazi lies that the rest of the left would just accept blindly.
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Lawyer Alan Dershowitz does not genuinely support Israel – contrary to his book “The Case for Israel”. He supports the creation of an independent PLO-Hamas-Fatah Muslim terrorist state in Judea, Samaria and Gaza – with Jerusalem as its capital. This is the most anti-Israel position you could possibly take, as he advocates national suicide for Israel.
Further more, Alan Dershowitz said that he would have represented Hitler, as an attorney and won – getting him off and having him acquitted! That’s what Alan Dershowitz said. Any Jew who can make a statement like that is the most evil, twisted, sick, self-hating Jew imaginable.
Alan Dershowitz was one of the attorneys who represented O.J. Simpson, the murderer (he murdered two innocent people), and Alan Dershowitz was one of the attorneys who got him off. Alan Dershowitz has gotten black murderers off. Alan Dershowitz has saved the lives of the black murderers on Death Row and has been fighting for black murderers. Alan Dershowitz is a grotesquely, evil individual, and now supports and is campaigning for Hilary Clinton, by the way. Alan Dershowitz is a complete abomination.
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Lawyer Alan Dershowitz does not genuinely support Israel – contrary to his book “The Case for Israel”. He supports the creation of an independent PLO-Hamas-Fatah Muslim terrorist state in Judea, Samaria and Gaza – with Jerusalem as its capital. This is the most anti-Israel position you could possibly take, as he advocates national suicide for Israel.
Further more, Alan Dershowitz said that he would have represented Hitler, as an attorney and won – getting him off and having him acquitted! That’s what Alan Dershowitz said. Any Jew who can make a statement like that is the most evil, twisted, sick, self-hating Jew imaginable.
Alan Dershowitz was one of the attorneys who represented O.J. Simpson, the murderer (he murdered two innocent people), and Alan Dershowitz was one of the attorneys who got him off. Alan Dershowitz has gotten black murderers off. Alan Dershowitz has saved the lives of the black murderers on Death Row and has been fighting for black murderers. Alan Dershowitz is a grotesquely, evil individual, and now supports and is campaigning for Hilary Clinton, by the way. Alan Dershowitz is a complete abomination.
the debate on youtube between dershowitz and Rabbi Kahane is good... Dershowitz has no answers
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It's been awhile since this thread started. Too bad Dershowitz hasn't died of cancer by now.
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Just like patriotic Jews had traitors who sold their soul to Islam and their Mohammed aka devil, us Serbs have those too. they are called Bosnian Muslims. Most people do not know that these Bosnian Muslim Scum are Serbs and Croats who converted to Islam and betrayed their christian brethren for a bag of gold.....and then the west says "why are serbs so anti-muslim"?
Don't worry my brothers, I am sure that God's justice will catch up to them.
Shalom (I hope I spelled it correctly)
George V.
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Lawyer Alan Dershowitz does not genuinely support Israel – contrary to his book “The Case for Israel”. He supports the creation of an independent PLO-Hamas-Fatah Muslim terrorist state in Judea, Samaria and Gaza – with Jerusalem as its capital. This is the most anti-Israel position you could possibly take, as he advocates national suicide for Israel.
Further more, Alan Dershowitz said that he would have represented Hitler, as an attorney and won – getting him off and having him acquitted! That’s what Alan Dershowitz said. Any Jew who can make a statement like that is the most evil, twisted, sick, self-hating Jew imaginable.
Alan Dershowitz was one of the attorneys who represented O.J. Simpson, the murderer (he murdered two innocent people), and Alan Dershowitz was one of the attorneys who got him off. Alan Dershowitz has gotten black murderers off. Alan Dershowitz has saved the lives of the black murderers on Death Row and has been fighting for black murderers. Alan Dershowitz is a grotesquely, evil individual, and now supports and is campaigning for Hilary Clinton, by the way. Alan Dershowitz is a complete abomination.
If that's his position, then why did he write a book called "The Case for Israel"? How do you know he represented Simpson?
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Alan Dershovitz is Liberal but in old clasicall XVIII century sense not closet comie like Homsky or Finkelstein, the problem is even clasicall liberalism is dangerous couse it's hostile to tradition and religion and it's making the fundaments of any society such as family and local comunity weaker and weaker. Newman has great point over identifing those kind of libertarians as agent of NWO. Still he's not even close in evilness to Arafat or Farakhan.