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Title: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2007, 11:47:02 PM
Should we stop immigration by Muslims? It seems quite self evident that there are too many cultural conflicts between Islam and our way of life. Yet, our immigration system keeps allowing large numbers of Muslims to immigrate into our country causing all kinds of cultural frictions and safety concerns. The more Muslims there are in the country the more jihadists there will be in our midst, the more travel between us and Islamic countries and the harder it will be to find the jihadists among the every increasing Muslim population.

THIS ARTICLE IS FROM THE CRADLE OF FREEDOM.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Kiwi on November 12, 2007, 11:53:10 PM
Yes yes yes yes yes !!!!!!!!!!

oh yes.  ;)
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: newman on November 13, 2007, 12:00:46 AM
Yes!

In fact, stop them immigrating to the west alltogether.........hell, stop them breathing!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: JTFFan on November 13, 2007, 12:53:48 AM
Yes! By all means stop them from immigrating to the west altogether.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Vito on November 13, 2007, 01:48:15 AM
Yes yes yes yes yes !!!!!!!!!!

oh yes.  ;)

I'm blushing..
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Vito on November 13, 2007, 01:49:21 AM
That's part of the platform for the Loyalist Party, we want to stop all Muslim immigration...
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Vito on November 13, 2007, 01:59:33 AM
That's part of the platform for the Loyalist Party, we want to stop all Muslim immigration...
Are you also in favor of really limiting legal immigration from non-muslims too.

Absolutely. At this point, legal immigrants should be coming from developed countries, and only professional jobs and/or jobs in high demand.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 02:12:00 AM
You people who want to ban immigrants from poorer countries are absolutely pathetic and know nothing of immigrants. Guess what they're not all Mexicans...many have truly made something of their lives and started with nothing. At the same time you see Americans here take every chance to get further into debt paycheck to paycheck while good immigrants live frugal lives and ultimately work harder than the rest of us to get where they are now.

-  aging liberal [censored]
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Kiwi on November 13, 2007, 02:54:45 AM
Yes yes yes yes yes !!!!!!!!!!

oh yes.  ;)

I'm blushing..

 :::D I never noticed that  :-[ :D
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: newman on November 13, 2007, 05:23:30 AM
You people who want to ban immigrants from poorer countries are absolutely pathetic and know nothing of immigrants. Guess what they're not all Mexicans...many have truly made something of their lives and started with nothing. At the same time you see Americans here take every chance to get further into debt paycheck to paycheck while good immigrants live frugal lives and ultimately work harder than the rest of us to get where they are now.

-  aging liberal [censored]

So let them come through the front door (legally), not creep in illegally like thieves.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: newman on November 13, 2007, 05:27:30 AM
You people who want to ban immigrants from poorer countries are absolutely pathetic and know nothing of immigrants. Guess what they're not all Mexicans...many have truly made something of their lives and started with nothing. At the same time you see Americans here take every chance to get further into debt paycheck to paycheck while good immigrants live frugal lives and ultimately work harder than the rest of us to get where they are now.

-  aging liberal [censored]

Click here if you think third world, illiterate immigrants make any positive impact on the USA:

http://piv.pivpiv.dk/

Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Hail Columbia on November 13, 2007, 07:26:57 AM
No balijas, shiptards, camel shaggers, Taazis, Pakis, and anyone else who worships the militaristic moon-god religion should be allowed to immigrate to the United States.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Ulli on November 13, 2007, 08:11:03 AM
No Muzzies, no Nazis, no Communists.

They are dirty and I am against pollution.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: HiWarp on November 13, 2007, 08:22:20 AM
Is this a trick question?  Am I missing something?

I'll take it at face value and answer...YES!!!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Lisa on November 13, 2007, 10:32:48 AM
My answer is also YES! 

Muslims, should not be allowed to come here.  After all, we did not allow hordes of German immigrants to come here during WWII.  Why should it be any different for Muslim countries?
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Electra on November 13, 2007, 10:37:36 AM
No balijas, shiptards, camel shaggers, Taazis, Pakis, and anyone else who worships the militaristic moon-G-d religion should be allowed to immigrate to the United States.

Oh you made my day by using word 'balija'  and shiptard! Excellent!;D

And yes, I concur.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: nessuno on November 13, 2007, 10:51:21 AM
I can't understand why legal immigration into this country was not halted on 9/11.  People would have been all for it.  At that point the system could have been revamped to keep out the undesirables.
Illegals should be turned back at the border by any force necessary.
It is so sad that we have Border Guards sitting in jail and illegal immigrants with middle finger raised dancing across the border.
I think at this point it will be too difficult to close the pandora's box called legal immigration.
Make no mistake - most of the legal immigrants to this country despise us.  While taking advantage of the system.  I work with an over abundance of them (many muslims) - so I know first hand.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Dan on November 13, 2007, 11:01:10 AM
This issue was raised in an article I got from FreeRepublic, I think more and more people are catching on to the fact that Muslim Nazis DON"T want to be part of America. They want their own traditions and language and customs here, they are not integrating like other immigrants did in the past. To say the least!
This is the POV of most Americans who have been brainwashed by the media and don't even understand the tremendous  Danger Islam poses to our country. They must be made aware and quickly because we're just about had it with this PC media spreading lies about the so-called religion of peace. Let's get more news and media outlets to print these types of stories and report the Truth for once.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Electra on November 13, 2007, 11:02:48 AM
I don't know what a 'balija' is... :'(

 :)

Balija is what Serbs refer to Bosnian Muslims Nazis. Pronounced 'Baleeya''.  ;)

Shiptar is what we call Albanians. Not just Serbs, everyone else around Albania refers to Albanians as Shiptars, including Greeks. Ship-tard is funnier.  ;D

Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 11:13:36 AM
Basically they should stay with there own people.
They need to stay in muslim countries with there own kind.
They need to stay locked in there own people in there own countries
Where they should be!

In fact i think thats what every culture should have done in the past!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 11:53:28 AM
The left wing view is to open all US borders and let the whole entire world in here because we are loving people and only want the best for this country, while we are at it why dont we have free medical for everyone, every carreer to pay the exact same and why dont we have everyone put in a robotic suite from birth so that there wont be any segregation or discrimination taking place, on top of that why dont we create one religion for everyone so there wont be any contradictions or descecrations taking place between religions! What a beautiful kissass world this would be!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 11:53:52 AM
You people who want to ban immigrants from poorer countries are absolutely pathetic and know nothing of immigrants. Guess what they're not all Mexicans...many have truly made something of their lives and started with nothing. At the same time you see Americans here take every chance to get further into debt paycheck to paycheck while good immigrants live frugal lives and ultimately work harder than the rest of us to get where they are now.

-  aging liberal [censored]

Click here if you think third world, illiterate immigrants make any positive impact on the USA:

http://piv.pivpiv.dk/



My father came from a third-world country and didn't know a word of English when he got here. Now he makes more than 120k a year and saves 20%. I find it ironic that we have all these middle-class American-born families gone bankrupt from house foreclosures because they spent more than they earned, and you blame immigrants for all of this.

Of course I want legal immigration, but the Loyalist said BAN LEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM POOR COUNTRIES.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 12:17:58 PM
You want to make it harder to get into America well of course you have to do that, but an outright BAN strikes at the core of what makes America the country I grew up in.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Dan on November 13, 2007, 12:24:46 PM
My father came from a third-world country and didn't know a word of English when he got here. Now he makes more than 120k a year and saves 20%. I find it ironic that we have all these middle-class American-born families gone bankrupt from house foreclosures because they spent more than they earned, and you blame immigrants for all of this.

Of course I want legal immigration, but the Loyalist said BAN LEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM POOR COUNTRIES.
So because your father made something of himself, you think you can generalize the rule to all third world immigrants? And based on a few bankruped americans you can gerealize againts them too?
It's great that it worked out for your family, but it is not working out for many third world people and overall not working out for America to let all these people in. I still say NO to legal immigration from those who mostly and usually cannot keep up. Sorry if it bothers you.

I agree with you Mills!
There are exceptions to every rule, however the majority of immigrants from the 3rd world are not productive and only end up sucking the system for more money to support their large families who feel entitled to get a hand out now that they are in America...
The policy of appeasement has to STOP! 
No More Welfare, No More Government Hand outs, No More FREE Health Care... Accountability For All Who Live Here!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 12:27:40 PM
My father came from a third-world country and didn't know a word of English when he got here. Now he makes more than 120k a year and saves 20%. I find it ironic that we have all these middle-class American-born families gone bankrupt from house foreclosures because they spent more than they earned, and you blame immigrants for all of this.

Of course I want legal immigration, but the Loyalist said BAN LEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM POOR COUNTRIES.
So because your father made something of himself, you think you can generalize the rule to all third world immigrants? And based on a few bankruped americans you can gerealize againts them too?
It's great that it worked out for your family, but it is not working out for many third world people and overall not working out for America to let all these people in. I still say NO to legal immigration from those who mostly and usually cannot keep up. Sorry if it bothers you.

What's not working out for legal immigrants? Our country does not let anyone come here, and from what I know they are doing exceedingly better than underclass 'African-Americans.'
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Dan on November 13, 2007, 12:34:46 PM
My father came from a third-world country and didn't know a word of English when he got here. Now he makes more than 120k a year and saves 20%. I find it ironic that we have all these middle-class American-born families gone bankrupt from house foreclosures because they spent more than they earned, and you blame immigrants for all of this.

Of course I want legal immigration, but the Loyalist said BAN LEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM POOR COUNTRIES.
So because your father made something of himself, you think you can generalize the rule to all third world immigrants? And based on a few bankruped americans you can gerealize againts them too?
It's great that it worked out for your family, but it is not working out for many third world people and overall not working out for America to let all these people in. I still say NO to legal immigration from those who mostly and usually cannot keep up. Sorry if it bothers you.

What's not working out for legal immigrants? Our country does not let anyone come here, and from what I know they are doing exceedingly better than underclass 'African-Americans.'

'African Americans' ??? They are a Joke!!! Better than 70% are from illegitimate families and have ZERO decency and morality... Just look at their life style, drugs, money, murder, rape and that's only the ones that WE know about.
The Afri-can'ts Do Nothing productive and only live off the hands out programs the state provides. Don't even go there with comparing them with others. Blacks are the lowest common denominator in society.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Lisa on November 13, 2007, 12:35:39 PM
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You want to make it harder to get into America well of course you have to do that, but an outright BAN strikes at the core of what makes America the country I grew up in.

Barnes, you are mistaken.  Before 1965, America had strict immigration laws.  At one point, anarchists were not allowed in.  1924 National Quotas law was to make certain that America's racial/national demographic would not change.  Furthermore, immigrants came in through Ellis Island where they were examined for infectious diseases.  If they were found to be diseased, they were sent back.  That's a far cry from the situation where we have illegal workers in chicken plants with TB.  Remember, there was also that illegal from Mexico with TB who was able to cross our border 76 times, despite having TB, and his family members dying from the disease. 

Then there was also the case a few months ago of foreign born nurses in a Bronx hospital who refused to treatment for TB despite working with newborn babies. 
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: serbian army on November 13, 2007, 12:35:58 PM
Yes, one muslim nazi was saying how he wants to kill me about 3 days ago >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 12:46:07 PM
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You want to make it harder to get into America well of course you have to do that, but an outright BAN strikes at the core of what makes America the country I grew up in.

Barnes, you are mistaken.  Before 1965, America had strict immigration laws.  At one point, anarchists were not allowed in.  1924 National Quotas law was to make certain that America's racial/national demographic would not change.  Furthermore, immigrants came in through Ellis Island where they were examined for infectious diseases.  If they were found to be diseased, they were sent back.  That's a far cry from the situation where we have illegal workers in chicken plants with TB.  Remember, there was also that illegal from Mexico with TB who was able to cross our border 76 times, despite having TB, and his family members dying from the disease. 

Then there was also the case a few months ago of foreign born nurses in a Bronx hospital who refused to treatment for TB despite working with newborn babies. 

omg I'm not defending illegals and never was. There is a rigorous visa process I'm totally in favor of. I took offense to someone who wanted ZERO LEGAL IMMIGRATION from nations we find poor compared to our standards. Growing up poor does not mean you have less character. Do you guys really feel that eastern Europeans, Asians that are SELECTED to come here are just wasting our tax-dollars?
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Lisa on November 13, 2007, 01:00:43 PM
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omg I'm not defending illegals and never was. There is a rigorous visa process I'm totally in favor of. I took offense to someone who wanted ZERO LEGAL IMMIGRATION from nations we find poor compared to our standards. Growing up poor does not mean you have less character. Do you guys really feel that eastern Europeans, Asians that are SELECTED to come here are just wasting our tax-dollars?

So I take it you are in favor of Muslim immigration to the U.S?  Are you then in favor of honor killings?  Are you in favor of being threatened with terrorism for citizens not making nice with Muslim immigrants as was the case recently in the UK?  Are you in favor of sharia courts popping up all over the place?  It's a known fact that many Muslims in the UK support sharia.  Are you in favor of these immigrant youths launching an intifada against the French police?  Are you in favor of risking another terror attack on U.S. soil just so America can come across as tolerant to the world's welfare and rogue states? 

And just so you know, I have nothing against Eastern Europeans and Asians. 
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 01:14:36 PM
I agree we should halt immigration but not permanently. For whatever reasons I cannot get myself to take a threat of terrorism very seriously. People overlook how easily preventable 9/11 was, and it's not like we live next door to these crazy bastards.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: HiWarp on November 13, 2007, 01:24:18 PM
Quote from: Barnes link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
I agree we should halt immigration but not permanently. For whatever reasons I cannot get myself to take a threat of terrorism very seriously. People overlook how easily preventable 9/11 was, and it's not like we live next door to these crazy bastards.

Now I'm curious.  How would you have prevented 9/11?
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Lisa on November 13, 2007, 01:26:32 PM
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I agree we should halt immigration but not permanently. For whatever reasons I cannot get myself to take a threat of terrorism very seriously. People overlook how easily preventable 9/11 was, and it's not like we live next door to these crazy bastards.

Unfortunately Barnes, you are complacent. 

The reason you are not taking terrorism seriously is because our mainstream press and our law enforcement authorities downplay attempted terror attacks, and dry runs, immediately emphasizing that there was no link to Al Qaeda. 

Do you remember Ft. Dix?  Those people would have been successful if it wasn't for that clerk in Circuit City.  What about that Virginia student who ran down students in his SUV claiming anger over the Mohamed cartoons?  How about that Egyptian who tried to shoot up the El Al terminal at LAX.  What about that Bosnian Muslim who went on a shooting spree in Utah?  What about that Muslim that went on a shooting spree in that Seattle Jewish center?  Or how about those six imams kicked off the US Airways flight for acting suspiciously, and for wanting seatbelt extenders?  That was a dry run and a way for them to test our defenses if I ever heard of one. 
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 01:27:23 PM
Quote from: Barnes link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
I agree we should halt immigration but not permanently. For whatever reasons I cannot get myself to take a threat of terrorism very seriously. People overlook how easily preventable 9/11 was, and it's not like we live next door to these crazy bastards.

Now I'm curious.  How would you have prevented 9/11?

Step 1: Find metal door
Step 2: Place metal door between cockpit and passenger seats
Step 3: Do not open door
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 01:36:35 PM
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I agree we should halt immigration but not permanently. For whatever reasons I cannot get myself to take a threat of terrorism very seriously. People overlook how easily preventable 9/11 was, and it's not like we live next door to these crazy bastards.

Unfortunately Barnes, you are complacent. 

The reason you are not taking terrorism seriously is because our mainstream press and our law enforcement authorities downplay attempted terror attacks, and dry runs, immediately emphasizing that there was no link to Al Qaeda. 

Do you remember Ft. Dix?  Those people would have been successful if it wasn't for that clerk in Circuit City.  What about that Virginia student who ran down students in his SUV claiming anger over the Mohamed cartoons?  How about that Egyptian who tried to shoot up the El Al terminal at LAX.  What about that Bosnian Muslim who went on a shooting spree in Utah?  What about that Muslim that went on a shooting spree in that Seattle Jewish center?  Or how about those six imams kicked off the US Airways flight for acting suspiciously, and for wanting seatbelt extenders?  That was a dry run and a way for them to test our defenses if I ever heard of one. 

By all means get rid of these Muslims every last one of them. Also remove potential school shooters (males ages 14-25).
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Jasmina on November 13, 2007, 01:42:45 PM
   My answer to Dan's question is YES!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: HiWarp on November 13, 2007, 01:53:27 PM
Quote from: Barnes link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
Quote from: HiWarp link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
Quote from: Barnes link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
I agree we should halt immigration but not permanently. For whatever reasons I cannot get myself to take a threat of terrorism very seriously. People overlook how easily preventable 9/11 was, and it's not like we live next door to these crazy bastards.

Now I'm curious.  How would you have prevented 9/11?

Step 1: Find metal door
Step 2: Place metal door between cockpit and passenger seats
Step 3: Do not open door

Give commodes to airline pilots and have them relieve themselves in the cockpit?
Do not feed them except for pre-sealed food that they take into the cockpit with them before locking the door?
On long flights requiring relief crew, pack them all into the cockpit before locking the door?
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: Barnes link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
Quote from: HiWarp link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
Quote from: Barnes link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
I agree we should halt immigration but not permanently. For whatever reasons I cannot get myself to take a threat of terrorism very seriously. People overlook how easily preventable 9/11 was, and it's not like we live next door to these crazy bastards.

Now I'm curious.  How would you have prevented 9/11?

Step 1: Find metal door
Step 2: Place metal door between cockpit and passenger seats
Step 3: Do not open door

Give commodes to airline pilots and have them relieve themselves in the cockpit?
Do not feed them except for pre-sealed food that they take into the cockpit with them before locking the door?
On long flights requiring relief crew, pack them all into the cockpit before locking the door?


Israeli airlines have sealed off their cockpits for decades SO I THINK IT CAN BE DONE.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: HiWarp on November 13, 2007, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: Barnes link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
Quote from: HiWarp link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
Quote from: Barnes link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
Quote from: HiWarp link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
Quote from: Barnes link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
I agree we should halt immigration but not permanently. For whatever reasons I cannot get myself to take a threat of terrorism very seriously. People overlook how easily preventable 9/11 was, and it's not like we live next door to these crazy bastards.

Now I'm curious.  How would you have prevented 9/11?

Step 1: Find metal door
Step 2: Place metal door between cockpit and passenger seats
Step 3: Do not open door

Give commodes to airline pilots and have them relieve themselves in the cockpit?
Do not feed them except for pre-sealed food that they take into the cockpit with them before locking the door?
On long flights requiring relief crew, pack them all into the cockpit before locking the door?


Israeli airlines have sealed off their cockpits for decades SO I THINK IT CAN BE DONE.

It can be and IS done along with a high level of security to make sure that no potentially dangerous individuals are able to get on board with weapons.  That was NOT the case on 9/11.  The U.S. and the airlines were too busy worrying about not racially profiling Muslim men and being sued to properly screen them.  And in case you think that things have really changed, look at the number of racial profiling lawsuits that have been filed AFTER 9/11.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 02:28:01 PM
What's not working out for legal immigrants? Our country does not let anyone come here, and from what I know they are doing exceedingly better than underclass 'African-Americans.'

HA HA HA HA  ;D OK, so I guess all legal third world immigrants are the greatest! They are much richer than Donald Trump and care more sucessful than us "lazy" Americans. Oh goodness.
If you need guidance, take a look at the forum articles about it or better yet, look at these videos from Chaim and David, they will let you know why it does not and NEVER will work out generally. Just because it worked out for your family, doesn't mean that we should open our doors to all third world immigrants, my friend. Most just cannot keep up with our culture an values.

Videos:
"Third World Immigration Is Destroying America" (IT IS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3rYfNfgmkg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3rYfNfgmkg)

"Deport All Illegals Now"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSmedeK4N70 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSmedeK4N70)

"Illegal Alien Amnesty Stopped By Grassroots Patriots"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEnistCB8fk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEnistCB8fk)





Mills i do agree with what you are saying but i do have to correct you when you said they cant keep up with our culture and values because america doesnt have a real culture and it definatly doesnt have values.

Because first of all the american culture has no values! lol
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Lisa on November 13, 2007, 02:32:45 PM
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Mills i do agree with what you are saying but i do have to correct you when you said they cant keep up with our culture and values because america doesnt have a real culture and it definatly doesnt have values.

Because first of all the american culture has no values! lol

I don't understand.  Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 03:19:27 PM
Yes America had a quite a great history
Was founded by very intelligent people
And we have patriotism
All this is great and all
you are stating mostly history

but aside from our great history our future doesn't seem like as sweet of a taste

The American culture we use to have is being destroyed
Here are some examples
Morals,values,religion,drugs,interracial relationships,gay rights/same sex marriage,violence more than ever,illegal immigration,gangs,urban america, urbanization of non urban america, and a great deal of individuals feel that this country owes them something
Mills you are a very positive person and thats a great thing but we don't have the same America we used to have.
Our founding fathers would have been disgusted to see how America is today because i highly doubt that this America was the America they intended it to be!
I honestly doubt that there would be a candidate like Hillary Clinton running for office 75 or 100 years ago that actually had a chance of winning the election
That candidate would be a disgrace and would have absolutely no chance on ever getting into the white house or even being taken seriously!




Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 03:36:41 PM
Thats exactly what i am saying!
This country doesn't have that Proud to be an American culture it used to have
Years ago there was a more loving Patriotic image Americans had on their country and the way they talked about there country was positive and most americans loved this country
And look at it now
Even the best of people witness the unjust
Look at what a great man Rabbi Kahane was and look what happened to him some murdered him!!! Because they didn't like his great message!
Thats what individuals have done to The Great America we once had.
They wanted to make America like them
Just like the Muslims are trying to make Israel like them!!!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 03:51:24 PM
my bad it is destroyed not being destroyed
aside from that

Although this country has real culture or values/morals as a whole
But i am not saying that there isn't some great people still left in America that only want the best
(Which i happen to be one of those people)
 Just because America may not have a culture,values,or morals as a whole that cant stop us from being patriotic of what our country has done and achieved!

[Here is an example of what has become of some people in this country,I went into a Leftist chat room and asked them thiis question,''Doesnt it bother you that america is becoming more and more unstable,''
And do you know what there response was, ''The more unstable the better''
 
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Barnes on November 13, 2007, 04:06:19 PM
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Quote from: HiWarp link=topic=11357.msg#msg date=
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I agree we should halt immigration but not permanently. For whatever reasons I cannot get myself to take a threat of terrorism very seriously. People overlook how easily preventable 9/11 was, and it's not like we live next door to these crazy bastards.

Now I'm curious.  How would you have prevented 9/11?

Step 1: Find metal door
Step 2: Place metal door between cockpit and passenger seats
Step 3: Do not open door

Give commodes to airline pilots and have them relieve themselves in the cockpit?
Do not feed them except for pre-sealed food that they take into the cockpit with them before locking the door?
On long flights requiring relief crew, pack them all into the cockpit before locking the door?


Israeli airlines have sealed off their cockpits for decades SO I THINK IT CAN BE DONE.

It can be and IS done along with a high level of security to make sure that no potentially dangerous individuals are able to get on board with weapons.  That was NOT the case on 9/11.  The U.S. and the airlines were too busy worrying about not racially profiling Muslim men and being sued to properly screen them.  And in case you think that things have really changed, look at the number of racial profiling lawsuits that have been filed AFTER 9/11.


Racial profiling wouldn't have prevented 9/11. MAYBE THAT AIRLINE POLICY OF COMPLYING WITH THE HIJACKER'S EVERY LAST DEMAND IS WHAT GOT US.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 04:11:47 PM
I dont think the majority or americans are too shy to admit that they want the great america we are talking about
I think that many of them have been brainwashed like Chaim has once quoted
You would be surprised how much  the media influences and changes many americans

Ok here is a reality check
I am 17 about to be 18 years old
I go to school with the future of america
and many of these individuals parents are patriotic good americans with great beliefs and ideas
and the offspring of these Great People have become what Chaim refers to as filth
Mills i am witnessing this first hand
from experience i know what is happening because i am living amongst these people

Mills i know whats happening better than most people here
Mills your compromised still beautiful but a little twisted america statement is not what is really happening here
If you think this country is ok you couldn't be more wrong because the people that i am amongs (the future America)
Is exactly what Chaim and most of JTF is afraid of!
You think the people running this country now are flucked up now wait till you see the next people running this country!

And everyone i speak this with all honesty  because i know what is happening and is going to happen to this country and i will tell you right now its not a pretty sight!!!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: nessuno on November 13, 2007, 04:16:38 PM
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You want to make it harder to get into America well of course you have to do that, but an outright BAN strikes at the core of what makes America the country I grew up in.

Barnes, you are mistaken.  Before 1965, America had strict immigration laws.  At one point, anarchists were not allowed in.  1924 National Quotas law was to make certain that America's racial/national demographic would not change.  Furthermore, immigrants came in through Ellis Island where they were examined for infectious diseases.  If they were found to be diseased, they were sent back.  That's a far cry from the situation where we have illegal workers in chicken plants with TB.  Remember, there was also that illegal from Mexico with TB who was able to cross our border 76 times, despite having TB, and his family members dying from the disease. 

Then there was also the case a few months ago of foreign born nurses in a Bronx hospital who refused to treatment for TB despite working with newborn babies. 
Lisa is exactly right.  Diseases that were virtually eradicated in this country are making a resurgence.  I would like to see vigorous health screenings for people wishing to enter our country.  The illegals are a big part of this problem too - so they should just be kept out at all costs.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 04:26:05 PM
Ok lets say we are 10 or 20 years from now and Israel has been taken over by the Muslims (which is no longer a Jewish state)
You could say that same statement about that there are people ''engrained'' in the world that wished Israel be a Jewish state again
But you know what all the jews would be dead/or kicked out so it wouldn't make any difference for you to say that there is jews/gentiles out there that are still ""engrained'' and want a Jewish state!!!! That would be pointless and make no difference because there wouldn't be a Jewish state!!!!!!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: nessuno on November 13, 2007, 04:34:12 PM
Well, ok. I see it positively and say that we ARE proud Americans and there are many proud Americans, but there is a growing number of millions of people threatening us.
I don't think our values are dying, just a little messed up at the moment-temporarily- but I also believe that the majority of people want them back but are too shy or afraid to do so. We can get through this crisis. I never refer to America's greatnes in the past-tense, it still is great and many Americans agree with that.

O0  Excellent post.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 04:34:18 PM
Yes mills i am already aware of what this organization stand for i dont need a debreifing
Mills you are a great individual
And i agree with what you said this country is flucked up but we the JTF have the drive,motivation,self determination,and willpower to try to save it!
There is always hope!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 04:40:17 PM
I was implying to your statement where you said we have great american values but they are engrained in the system.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 13, 2007, 04:58:51 PM
I stated if you think this country is ok
i did not state that you personally thought this country was ok
Mills you misread or misinterpreted what was stated
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: MasterWolf1 on November 13, 2007, 05:19:19 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: דוד בן זאב אריה on November 13, 2007, 05:40:22 PM
The quick answer yes the long answer yes yes yes kill those fucks
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Dr. Dan on November 13, 2007, 06:12:49 PM
Listen..Muslims shoudl go to their homeland of Saudi Arabia...I mean they have 65 countries or some number like that..they don't need to be here...

Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: newman on November 15, 2007, 01:23:10 AM
People should live in the country of "Best Fit". By that I mean:

* Primitives who wish to sit on their primitive butts eating bananas/ buritos and raping everything with a hint of musk should live in africa/mexico.

* MuSSlim savages who want to have sharia law and kill, rape, torture, mutilate each other as daily entertainment should live in muSSlim sh*thole countries.

* Leftist retards who believe in intrusive government, welfare/social security, high taxes, communism, perverted sex, scheiser movies, homosexuallity, liberalism and atheism should live in the EU.

** Jews should live in Israel (when they're good n ready)

***Righteous, moral people who believe in freedom, self-defense, self-reliance, a small government, reward for effort, law and order and personal responsibility should live in the USA.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Iron Greek on November 15, 2007, 02:28:57 AM
Whoa newman it seems you are trying to turn europe into another america  ;D
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2007, 09:43:01 AM
One of the only countries in Europe that HAS NOT allowed Free muSSlim immigration SERBIA, is being scapegoated and ostracized for comminting genocide and war atrocities when ONLY defending them selves against the muSSlim invaders!
WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE ABOUT THAT?!  >:(
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: New Yorker on November 15, 2007, 10:40:08 AM


We should stop muslims from immigrating to the USA, we should deem Islam an illegal cult in America, ban the Koran and close all mosques, if the remaining muslims don't like it, they can f**k off back to the sh*tholes they came from.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Daniel on November 15, 2007, 08:47:11 PM
I'm in favor of stopping everyone from immigrating to the USA.
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2007, 08:53:10 PM
I'm in favor of stopping everyone from immigrating to the USA.

I don't think that's practical, however the Musslims are the biggest threat to our nation!
Title: Re: Should we stop Muslims from immigrating to the USA?
Post by: Daniel on November 15, 2007, 10:12:04 PM
I'm in favor of stopping everyone from immigrating to the USA.

I don't think that's practical, however the Musslims are the biggest threat to our nation!

Whether it's practical or not, neither proposition is realistic.