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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: Tzvi Ben Roshel1 on November 24, 2007, 07:40:54 PM
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http://www.kolyakov.org/rav_mizrachi.html
I just started listining, I heard it was very good by some people who were there. Its the first 2 lectures. Kol Tov.
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I read about this in The Jewish Planet.
I'm looking forward to hearing it.
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I watched the majority in the first video for now, I highly encourage anyone interested to see the truth.
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This is an interesting debate. Thanks for sharing, Tzvi.
Im listining, (besides the bias I might obviously have starting in hearing it) I have to say that Rabbi Mizrahi is crushing that guy, and also that guy isnt straightfoward adressing the Rav's points and questions till now. Lets see. (Im listining now, still on part 1)
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Murder is not the right word to use. Murder means to kill an innocent person.
I changed it, are you listining?
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Im watching the video, but the video is in different colors then it should be in, any1 know how to fix that?
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Im watching the video, but the video is in different colors then it should be in, any1 know how to fix that?
Its fine for me, maybe bc i downloaded it, or maybe its your computer. Either way it doesnt make a big difference.
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Is it just me, or does Danny the missionary seem to be a Jewish guy? I'm serious, the mannerisms, the look, he reminds me of Mayor Mike Bloomberg. I bet you he had Jewish ancestry.
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Is it just me, or does Danny the missionary seem to be a Jewish guy? I'm serious, the mannerisms, the look, he reminds me of Mayor Mike Bloomberg. I bet you he had Jewish ancestry.
Yes, he is ethnically Jewish.
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Is it just me, or does Danny the missionary seem to be a Jewish guy? I'm serious, the mannerisms, the look, he reminds me of Mayor Mike Bloomberg. I bet you he had Jewish ancestry.
LOL, I just got to the part where he says he happens to be Jewish himself. wierd (just as I was replying to you post, and im in the end of the video).
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I just finished watching both video's. Rabbi Mizrahi is the best :)
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I'm watching the first one right now.
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Is it just me, or does Danny the missionary seem to be a Jewish guy? I'm serious, the mannerisms, the look, he reminds me of Mayor Mike Bloomberg. I bet you he had Jewish ancestry.
LOL, I just got to the part where he says he happens to be Jewish himself. wierd (just as I was replying to you post, and im in the end of the video).
Yeah, see? I could tell! :)
So get a real gentile in there to debate, not some mixed up Jewish boy, hey we can debate amongst ourselves and it's simply preaching to the choir, I mean, you know, if we had preachers, and choirs for that matter. ;D
He's probably more interested in convincing himself than anything else, note that he's come back to debate with his people? I bet he eventually comes back to Judaism, I'm telling you.
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Is it just me, or does Danny the missionary seem to be a Jewish guy? I'm serious, the mannerisms, the look, he reminds me of Mayor Mike Bloomberg. I bet you he had Jewish ancestry.
LOL, I just got to the part where he says he happens to be Jewish himself. wierd (just as I was replying to you post, and im in the end of the video).
Yeah, see? I could tell! :)
So get a real gentile in there to debate, not some mixed up Jewish boy we can debate amongst ourselves and it's simply preaching to the choir, I mean, you know, if we had preachers, and choirs for that matter. ;D
He's probably more interested in convincing himself than anything else, note that he's come back to debate with his people? I bet he eventually comes back to Judaism, I'm telling you.
Hopefully he will.
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Is it just me, or does Danny the missionary seem to be a Jewish guy? I'm serious, the mannerisms, the look, he reminds me of Mayor Mike Bloomberg. I bet you he had Jewish ancestry.
LOL, I just got to the part where he says he happens to be Jewish himself. wierd (just as I was replying to you post, and im in the end of the video).
Yeah, see? I could tell! :)
So get a real gentile in there to debate, not some mixed up Jewish boy we can debate amongst ourselves and it's simply preaching to the choir, I mean, you know, if we had preachers, and choirs for that matter. ;D
He's probably more interested in convincing himself than anything else, note that he's come back to debate with his people? I bet he eventually comes back to Judaism, I'm telling you.
Its wierd me too, he looks like this philosophy teacher I had who was also a Jew. -but om not sure if its becuase I saw him and could tell he was a Jew or because maybe when my friend told me a couple of weeks ago about this class that I missed if he said Rabbi Mizrahi had a dabate with a missionary, a christian or a Jew who became christian (if the last then it was in my subconscious so thats why when I saw the video I said to myself is that guy Jewish?
By the way if it was a gentile I bet he wouldnt have been as stubbern and dismissing the points one after another. And the fact that it was a Jew, gives even more proof becuause the Jews have the biggest Yeter Hara (the satan works on them the most, and a Jews evil inclination cant be compared to a gentiles).
I would also probably agree that he will come back, expecially if he will keep contact with Rabbi Mizrahi and if he honestly would want to know the truth and follow it.
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New Yorker has a point. It would be a better debate if the guy was a regular missionary who wasn't a Jew beforehand.
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New Yorker has a point. It would be a better debate if the guy was a regular missionary who wasn't a Jew beforehand.
You Jews ::) . What difference does it make? Anyway these questions were asked to the previous Pope, and passed to some chief priest (something like that) in Bethlehem, no one could answer these questions.
Who has watched it please say soo, and what you think of it.
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Anyone else having problems with the audio going fine but the video freezing up?
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I can't play it. My computer is too old.
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Why was this removed from the main board? Who transfered it here? It would be better to put it up there because more people go on that board and unfortunatly dont go on the Torah section.
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the rabbi is making some good points but his screaming is giving me a headache :o
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the rabbi is making some good points but his screaming is giving me a headache :o
What screaming? I dont remember that, tell me which time in the video and ill check it out.
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Why was this removed from the main board? Who transfered it here? It would be better to put it up there because more people go on that board and unfortunatly dont go on the Torah section.
Because it belongs in the Torah section. And keeping it on the main section will eventually turn into fighting as has happened before with similar topics of this nature. Those who partake in such fighting stay out of the Torah section.
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especially in part 2....the other guy seems much more calm
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The Sephardim tend to have very big tempers. :D
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The Sephardim tend to have very big tempers. :D
Get used to it, we will take over B"H O0
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I wouldn't mind that. Us Askenazim tend to be too wimpy. I look forward to throwing spears through the traitors like happened in the good old Biblical days. Maybe if I go up to a Sephardi guy, give him a spear and get him really mad I'd see that. Tzvi, you volunteer for me? :P
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I wouldn't mind that. Us Askenazim tend to be too wimpy. I look forward to throwing spears through the traitors like happened in the good old Biblical days. Maybe if I go up to a Sephardi guy, give him a spear and get him really mad I'd see that. Tzvi, you volunteer for me? :P
No problem, just find me an excape route. I would have to kill hundreds maybe thousands in order to be willing to go to jail. Dont want to go without causing real damage.
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The Sephardim tend to have very big tempers. :D
Get used to it, we will take over B"H O0
BeEzrat Hashem
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The Sephardim tend to have very big tempers. :D
Get used to it, we will take over B"H O0
BeEzrat Hashem
I know you know of Rabbi Mansour Shalita, but do you know about Rabbi Mizrahi Shalita? and did you listin to his dabate? (or other shiurim by him?)
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The Sephardim tend to have very big tempers. :D
Get used to it, we will take over B"H O0
BeEzrat Hashem
I know you know of Rabbi Mansour Shalita, but do you know about Rabbi Mizrahi Shalita? and did you listin to his dabate? (or other shiurim by him?)
I listened to the first 10 minutes but then I got busy, Ill listen to it eventually, but Rabbi Mansours classes are great, although he does some Ashkenazim bashing. (But all in a joking manner)
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The Sephardim tend to have very big tempers. :D
Get used to it, we will take over B"H O0
BeEzrat Hashem
I know you know of Rabbi Mansour Shalita, but do you know about Rabbi Mizrahi Shalita? and did you listin to his dabate? (or other shiurim by him?)
I listened to the first 10 minutes but then I got busy, Ill listen to it eventually, but Rabbi Mansours classes are great, although he does some Ashkenazim bashing. (But all in a joking manner)
Really? I know hes Syrian (Sefardic) but he seems askenazi.
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I didn`t want to start a new thread for this rabbi vs missionary debate I listened to, because I don`t want to offend christians, and I agree this is not for the general board.
A christian site has included a debate between Rabbi Jacob Immanuel Shochet, and their missionary.
Rabbi JI Schochet is awesome - he is logical, has the right attitude to the missionary. He is a logical philosopher and a scholar. They only put it on their christian site because missionaries don`t use logic, and because the rabbi is in a bad mood and the missionary is talking very softly and trying to be loving. You should save the debate on your computers incase it gets taken down. It is an mp3
http://www.therealmessiah.com/audio/IsJesusTheJewishMessiahDrBrownAndDrSchochetNew.mp3
and if you want to see a picture of rabbi schochet, incase you hear his serious tone, and you want to see how seirous this guy is!
http://www.iltsp.org/Images/PortraitSchochet.gif
http://www.chabad.org/media/images/52/DTLt525337.jpg
He is a legend, the shochet family has many rabbis.. But this guy is like the senior one, the Don.
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I heard about that rebbi, he also have an Israeli first name.
Listening the first part.
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I didn`t want to start a new thread for this rabbi vs missionary debate I listened to, because I don`t want to offend christians, and I agree this is not for the general board.
A christian site has included a debate between Rabbi Jacob Immanuel Shochet, and their missionary.
Rabbi JI Schochet is awesome - he is logical, has the right attitude to the missionary. He is a logical philosopher and a scholar. They only put it on their christian site because missionaries don`t use logic, and because the rabbi is in a bad mood and the missionary is talking very softly and trying to be loving. You should save the debate on your computers incase it gets taken down. It is an mp3
http://www.therealmessiah.com/audio/IsJesusTheJewishMessiahDrBrownAndDrSchochetNew.mp3
and if you want to see a picture of rabbi schochet, incase you hear his serious tone, and you want to see how seirous this guy is!
http://www.iltsp.org/Images/PortraitSchochet.gif
http://www.chabad.org/media/images/52/DTLt525337.jpg
He is a legend, the shochet family has many rabbis.. But this guy is like the senior one, the Don.
:-X
More debates here:
http://www.ilifetv.com/thinkitthru/debates.htm
I am not very much interested in listening to debates (even with islam). Let us pray to God and ask Him to reveal Himself to us instead of analyzing Biblical verses with our minds.
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That is the same link.
And just a correction, Jews have an oral tradition, which we believe is divine and not the result of analysing biblical verses with one`s mind. It is not commentary.
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basically, if you go to that link i went to, those 3 debates are on that site. Anybody who was interested would see that. The webpage is the same infact.
There are 3 debates there.. The reason I only mentioned one, was because the other 2 were not relevant.
The one with rabbi tovia singer was just a friendly chat, not a debate.
And the one with rabbi blumofe, was interesting and useful, but although it was very much a debate. The methodology of the debate was flawed. As you see, near the end of the debate. Rabbi Blumofe was showing that jesus was not the messiah that jews were waiting for, and thus, he lists many, many, reasons to say so. But some of them use oral tradition, because jews accept oral tradition. He was not trying to prove that jesus was not the messiah. So some of his reasons would have been that jesus was not the messiah, others, that he was not hte messiah the jews were waiting for. This is only discovered AFTER the debate , by a questioner (largely because the christian missionary - dr brown - was so poor at responding!!!)
The debate with Rabby Shochet was methodologically good.. and was a proper debate rather than a conversation. And it was exciting - moreso listening to rabbi schochet. The missionary, Dr Brown was rather boring, and using soft words, rather than logical argument.. Rabbi Schochet won completely...
But the reason why I didn`t post the others, was that they were flawed. For reasons mentioned.
By the way. Dr Brown is well respected amongst christians.. I saw he was recommended by Sam Shamoun, a heavily anti-semitic wicked animal, probably arab, who works on the answering-islam.org team, he is their spokesman in audio debates, and he is a major guy on their site. And I say that Sam Shamoun is a very evil anti-semite, based on his behaviour I witnessed in a paltalk chat