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I believe that former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee is the lesser of the evils among the major candidates for the presidency. I do not agree with his positions and do not like his record on a number of key issues, but that is also true for all of the major presidential candidates. On the other hand, on some vital issues, Huckabee is clearly the best candidate. And I believe that he has the best chance of beating either Hillary Saddam Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama in November 2008.
Here is how I see the race at this point:
1. On Israel, Huckabee is the best major candidate. Only Huckabee and Congressman Duncan Hunter have publicly stated that they against any further Israeli territorial retreats. All of the other candidates support pressuring tiny Israel to make suicidal retreats if the Arab Muslim Nazis promise for the millionth time that they will stop murdering Jews and seeking another holocaust. Of course, there is no guarantee that Huckabee will remain firm on this issue when the Arab oil sheiks, the Europeans, the Russians, the world news media and the self-hating Jews start pressuring him to do what every American president has done since 1967, which is to demand that tiny Israel commit national suicide for "peace". But for now, Huckabee has taken the right stand and his stand is based upon his belief in the Bible. As far as Hunter is concerned, he is good on Israel but he has absolutely no chance of winning the presidency.
2. Huckabee is the best candidate on energy independence. Only Huckabee has flatly promised that he will make America energy independent within ten years. He has also criticized everyone else for saying that energy independence in the near future is unrealistic. Huckabee says that the first thing he will do as president is introduce a major new crash program to develop alternative sources of energy and to drastically reduce our current consumption of oil. Huckabee understands that this is a national security emergency and that we cannot win the war against Islamic terrorism as long as we remain dependent on Muslim terrorist oil-producing nations. If he carries out this promise and if he gets Congress to pass his proposals, this will in the long term be a devastating blow to our Islamic enemies.
3. Huckabee promises to completely eliminate the income tax, the IRS, and taxes on savings and capital gains. This would be great if he really followed through and if he could get the Congress to go along. Huckabee wants to replace taxes on income, savings and capital gains with a large national sales tax. This would be a tremendous boost for the economy, and would restore the Constitutional rights of American citizens which the income tax blatantly violates. We should note that despite taking this stand, Huckabee's own record on taxes as governor of Arkansas is a terrible one. Huckabee raised taxes and increased spending in Arkansas. Will he act differently as president as he now promises? Who knows?
4. Huckabee's record on immigration is terrible. He did support taxpayer-funded scholarships for the children of illegal aliens. When a state legislator proposed taking action against the flood of illegal aliens in Arkansas, Huckabee called him a racist and said that the legislation is un-American and un-Christian. Huckabee refuses to use the word "aliens" because he says that these are human beings, not creatures from outer space. Now that he is running for president, Huckabee claims to support securing the border and building a fence. But I think his record clearly shows that he cannot be trusted on this issue. Like all of the major candidates, Huckabee is pro-amnesty although he dishonestly denies it. On immigration, Huckabee STINKS, but then again so do Romney, Giuliani, McCain and Thompson. They are ALL pro-amnesty.
On many other matters, Huckabee is "politically correct". He pushed to reduce prison time for convicted drug dealers in Arkansas, and he helped release a convicted rapist who then went on to murder two women. Huckabee has promised to reduce prison time for convicted crack dealers in the federal system.
On the other hand, Huckabee is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment and against the homosexual Sodomite agenda. On social issues, he is better than the other major candidates.
It's a mixed bag. There are serious problems with Huckabee as with all of the major candidates, but on balance, I believe that he is a lesser of the evils.
Finally, I think he has the best chance of beating Clinton or Obama. He is the ONLY major candidate who would have a united and enthusiastic Republican base behind him. And Huckabee is the best speaker, best debater and most personally likable of the Republican or Democrat candidates running for president.
Therefore, I recommend that we support him and begin a major campaign on his behalf.
BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON THIS WITHIN OUR MOVEMENT, WE WILL DO NOTHING UNTIL WE GET FEEDBACK FROM OUR GREAT MEMBERS. PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS RECOMMENDATION.
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I Agree with you Chaim!
I also started saying that we should somehow combine - Huckabee and Hunter for VP !!!!
This match up will solidify the GOP Republicans come Nov 08.
What do you think?
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Great post chaim
Huckabee has flaws, but as you said yourself chaim, we will never agree 100 percent on everything. The fac tof the matter is, huckabe, is pro tonak, which can only be a good thing for rightous jews and gentiles. He knows G-d commands him to support little israel.
I am very impressed with his oil independancy, not only will it stop the evil raghead scum from blowing us up, but also it is enviromentally very sound as well.
Plus the fact that hes pro life and anti gay maridge tops it off for me....
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I agree Chaim, we're never going to agree on a candidate 100 percent. I really hate the fact he supports illegal immigration but I don't think anyone has a solid plan to eliminate illegal immigration anyways. I may consider voting for Huckabee, I have to admit, he impresses me more than Giuliani and his stance on the IRS and Guns sounds pretty good. I am still undecided at this point however. I will need to research more into Huckabee and watch videos and what not to get a better understanding who he is. I know I definitely won't vote for Giuliani.
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Many liberals accuse Bush Jr. of basing many decisions on his religion. I don't think that's the case. However, do you think the fact the Huckabee is certified as a preacher could hurt him in a general election? Supporters of the Democrat candidate would probably try to accuse him of being just like Bush Jr. and would try to also accuse Huckabee of basing decisions based on his religion.
Although the media is sort of promoting Huckabee's candidacy as an underdog type story, it won't be surprising when they turn on him in a general election. The same would be true of any one who runs as a Republican though.
The following is something that the National Jewish Democrat Council wrote about Huckabee:
http://njdc.typepad.com/njdcs_blog/2007/11/huckabee-pledge.html
Another criticism from the NJDC and far-left Huffington post:
http://njdc.typepad.com/njdcs_blog/2007/10/huckabee-tells-.html
I can't stand that group. Their rational and logic is awful on many issues.
Now, they have a "war against Ann Coulter."
They defend anything Hillary says or does.
The Republican must have differences from Bush Jr. With Huckabee, if he's sincere about an energy independence plan and the tax plan, then that might be a decent start.
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I agree. I'm now crossing party lines to support him (although I'll probably end up crossing party lines regardless of who the nominee ends up being).
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I really hate the fact he supports illegal immigration but I don't think anyone has a solid plan to eliminate illegal immigration anyways.
Tom Tancredo has a plan. Duncan Hunter also understands the situation well. The other politicians should take their advice on the issue rather than pandering to the open-borders lobbyists.
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There is no way I'm going to vote for someone who is weak on immigration. I live in Texas and my neighborhood is already being trashed by these third world scum pouring over the border. People are getting murdered and raped by these turd worlders here.
Any president who isn't willing to stop an invasion from a foreign power doesn't deserve to be president, and doesn't even really deserve to be called American.
Any so-called presidential candidate that isn't tough on immigration should withdraw from the race immediately.
The only thing I could think of that would cause a presidential candidate to support illegal immigration is perhaps to get votes by the hispanic community who have relatives who are illegals. Come the day they get amnesty, the candidate gets elected a second term when their made citizens. It's [censored] unfortunately that's what it's come down to. I can't stand illegal aliens. I left Chicago because they were taking over my neighborhood. Those beaners were all over driving their cars with their crappy polka music and mexican flags, getting drunk in the forest preserve, and never spoke a damn word of English.
What happens when I move down to panhandle of Florida? All is quiet and good come up to about a year ago, now their flooding this area and crime is increasing. Everytime I go to walmart, they are all over the place. They look like little jumping beans, they are so small and they don't speak a damn word of english arghhhh! I've never seen so many pregnant women named Rosa Sanchez in my life!
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The only thing I could think of that would cause a presidential candidate to support illegal immigration is perhaps to get votes by the hispanic community who have relatives who are illegals. Come the day they get amnesty, the candidate gets elected a second term when their made citizens. It's excrement unfortunately that's what it's come down to. I can't stand illegal aliens. I left Chicago because they were taking over my neighborhood. Those beaners were all over driving their cars with their crappy polka music and mexican flags, getting drunk in the forest preserve, and never spoke a damn word of English.
What happens when I move down to panhandle of Florida? All is quiet and good come up to about a year ago, now their flooding this area and crime is increasing. Everytime I go to walmart, they are all over the place. They look like little jumping beans, they are so small and they don't speak a damn word of english arghhhh! I've never seen so many pregnant women named Rosa Sanchez in my life!
The corporate elites and the La Raza lobbying groups want you to believe that to get someone of Hispanic heritage to vote for you, it's a requirement to advocate breaking the laws.
Not all illegal aliens are of Hispanic or Latino heritage. Yet, when policies are made such as finding out about immigration status, the La Raza groups try to accuse you of being racist against all Hispanics or Latinos. The ACLU constantly files lawsuits.
Duncan Hunter's district consists of a high percentage of people of Hispanic or Latino heritage.
Many vote for him; unfortunately, this will be his last term in congress as he's retiring from it.
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It appears likely that with Huckabee we will have another George W. Bush. He will probably stab conservatives in the back once in office.
However, the past 8 years under Bush have been far better than they would have been under a Clinton regime. With no good options, I think we must support Huckabee and try to pressure him to choose a truly conservative running-mate like Hunter or Tancredo who will hold him to his current anti-immigration stance.
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It appears likely that with Huckabee we will have another George W. Bush. He will probably stab conservatives in the back once in office.
However, the past 8 years under Bush have been far better than they would have been under a Clinton regime. With no good options, I think we must support Huckabee and try to pressure him to choose a truly conservative running-mate like Hunter or Tancredo who will hold him to his current anti-immigration stance.
I agree that someone like Hunter or Tancredo would definitely be needed as the VP pick. I think Hunter would be a good VP (He understands many issues: problems with outsourcing and structures of free trade policies, he has military experience and was served on the Armed Services Committee, he knows a lot about immigration and borders) and Tancredo would be good to put in charge of the ICE Department. Both are retiring from congress and it would be a shame if neither were part of a future administration.
Since many conservatives don't trust Giuliani or Romney on social issues, either would probably look to put a candidate who they would see as being strong on those issues, so either would likely appoint Huckabee as the VP nomination, since he's already been established by conservatives as being good on social issues--they'd be less likely to make other issues a priority in selecting a VP nominee. But since Huckabee is already viewed as good on those issues, social issues would probably be less of a priority in selecting a VP nominee so maybe it would be easier to persuade him to select someone like Hunter--who happens to also be a social conservative.
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He is not perfect but he is the best one out there. It was Chaim who called him to my attention many months ago when he said what a great speaker Huckabee is. I agree. NO COMPARISON TO BUSH. Bush can hardly speak English. Huckabee is a calm firm speaker with a great sense of humor. Something that will not scare off independents.
Although Hunter and Tancredo seem great, they are MINOR candidates. Look at the numbers people! Hunter is putting a focus on Nevada right next door to him and even there he is doing horrible. They will not be picked as VP's under any candidate. YOu pick a VP who gains you votes from an area you would not do well in or the clear #2 from your party. Gore picked a Jew, Kerry Picked a guy from the south, Bush picked Cheney which does not follow this pattern but gave the team the experience factor, Dukakis picked a Texan, Mondale picked a woman, Carter picked a Northerner.... If Huckabee wins I see no reason why he would not pick Rudy as his VP. If Rudy wins I see no reason why he would not pick Huckabee as his VP. If Romney wins... I have no idea who he will pick, probably Rudy.
So yes let us support Huckabee!
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i don't like 4th one at all,he lost my vote right there.it took me 2 years to come over here legally and for him to be for illigal migr. is an insolt to me,sorry.i did like him,but now i like romney mitt!
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In terms of Huckabee's stance on Israel, how do we know it's not bluster? It sounds good. But then again, talk is cheap.
As I see it, conservatives get in trouble when they start backing who they think is "electable" as opposed to a candidate who is a true conservative. So if they were to spend most of their time and energy pushing true conservatives vs. those who seem "electable" this whole issue would be moot.
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He stinks. But he stinks less than the other likely presidential candidates!
OY, what a choice!
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Huckabee sounds like a softer version of Alan Keyes...Because he is a baptist minister, he knows very well that those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse ISrael will be cursed. He is also against using foreign oil...therefore, Huckabee can support Israel and discourage suicidal concessions without reprecutions from Muslim Arabs.
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In terms of Huckabee's stance on Israel, how do we know it's not bluster? It sounds good. But then again, talk is cheap.
As I see it, conservatives get in trouble when they start backing who they think is "electable" as opposed to a candidate who is a true conservative. So if they were to spend most of their time and energy pushing true conservatives vs. those who seem "electable" this whole issue would be moot.
I agree, I'm down with Tancredo (and Hunter as number two) until the end...its better to send a message which will force the winner to consider the immigration issue, than to give a stamp of approval among various lesser evils.
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I think we should place a poll here.
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I also support Huckabee since he has an actual chance of winning... Not my first choice though!
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Huckabee's actions in the past and what he says on the campaign trail are not always in agreement. I like the fact he is good on the issue of Israel however his actions here at home are in conflict with his campaign promises. His stand on immigration is really a big negative in my eyes. He talks fiscal conservatism but has a reputation for big spending. At best I can take a neutral stand with Huckabee. The only thing he has going for him is his position on Israel and I don't know how sincere he is about that.
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i like huckabee because hes not like the other candidates such as romney mccain thompson who keep on saying "no your more liberal" its getting preety sad. and he probably will pick tancraedo or hunter as his v.p if the time comes. i really dont think hes another bush. he is smart and you can tell that he knows what hes talking about even if you dont agree with him
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Wow. Watch this video:
The Best of Mike Huckabee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sdZY3oSupU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sdZY3oSupU)
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Huckabee is good on abortion, he's pro-life, right now also seems like he supports Israel and is bible believing. Though on many other issues he's just like the rest of them.
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I agree with Chiam Huckabee is a mixed package but It's his good side that counts. Plus he can win.
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Chaim, with all due respect, I cannot agree with you.
By your own logic, someone who is kind to the wicked will be wicked to the kind. Huckabee has proven that in spades. He is in love with wetbacks, black rapists, drug dealers, Gitmo terrorists, and pretty much all other scum of the earth. Yes, most of the candidates are, but he commits the abominable libel of hiding behind his (alleged) Christian faith to do so. Huckabee is worse than the so-called Reform "rabbis" who claim that Judaism supports Israeli national suicide and giving over America to the wets and blacks.
If Huckster is willing to bend over backwards for illegals and black rapist/murderers, and argues ad nauseum against "torturing" proven terror suspects, can you really take seriously that his pro-Israel rhetoric is anything besides what he thinks Christian voters want to hear? How can he support Israel and be for al-Qaeda monsters? How can he be for unborn babies and also for murderers?
I am very sorry that he has no chance of winning, but I must vote for Duncan Hunter, who is a noble and genuine patriot in all areas. Please think about what I said.
Chaimfan
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Chaim, with all due respect, I cannot agree with you.
By your own logic, someone who is kind to the wicked will be wicked to the kind. Huckabee has proven that in spades. He is in love with wetbacks, black rapists, drug dealers
Chaimfan
The rapist who he set free was white, Chaimfan.
Regardless, Chaim knows all this and is not endorsing Huckabee. I think he will make it explicitly clear that we are supporting Huckabee as the lesser of the evils because we have no choice.
A Hillary or Obamuslim presidency is rather inevitable should Huck fail.
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UGGH... I am just not sure I can do this. The man disgusts me more than all the other GOP candidates combined.
UGGH. 8;) :o >:(
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UGGH... I am just not sure I can do this. The man disgusts me more than all the other GOP candidates combined.
UGGH. 8;) :o >:(
No one is forcing you, Chaimfan, to support Huck as the lesser of the evils. You can have a difference of opinion with JTF. Your position not to gamble on this Huckster may turn out to be the principled one...
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I just can't stomach it. There is a wonderful, righteous man on the ballot, and I can't bring myself to vote for a scumbag even if there's no way he can win.
I'm not saying for sure I won't vote for Huckster... just that right now I cannot countenance it in the least.
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Well, judging by all the other candidates that might have a chance Giuliani and Huckabee, and if Huckabee fail's Giuliani would be my choice. I know, it's alot to stomache this has happened many times in elections, where are the righteous candidates? :o ???
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Joe Farah's view:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59047
His article is accurate. I think both Huckabee and Rick Warren are more liberal pastors. Warren believes in global warming.
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Joe Farah's view:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59047
His article is accurate. I think both Huckabee and Rick Warren are more liberal pastors. Warren believes in global warming.
Nice article.
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UGGH... don't get me started on Rick Warren and his Saddleback Church. He is best friends with Obama and thinks the greatest crisis on earth is AIDS in Africa.
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UGGH... don't get me started on Rick Warren and his Saddleback Church. He is best friends with Obama and thinks the greatest crisis on earth is AIDS in Africa.
Maybe Huckabee looks favorably on Barak Hussein Osama...
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UGGH... don't get me started on Rick Warren and his Saddleback Church. He is best friends with Obama and thinks the greatest crisis on earth is AIDS in Africa.
Maybe Huckabee looks favorably on Barak Hussein Osama...
Now we're getting carried away. Obama is a black Muslim Jew-hater who has always been anti-Israel. Huckabee is the first major presidential candidate in history to state that he opposes any Israeli territorial retreats. Huckabee's position distinguishes him from the other establishment candidates, and from the establishment view since 1948 that tiny Israel must commit national suicide for "peace".
People here have spoken about Huckabee as if Israel is the only issue in which there is a big difference. People are forgetting that on energy independence, which is ESSENTIAL to the survival of America and the Western world, Huckabee is also clearly distinguishing himself from the other candidates. Huckabee is the ONLY candidate saying the right things about energy. He has made it a huge part of his campaign and has promised that it is the very first thing he will deal with as president. He has promised that he will make America energy independent within 10 years, while ALL of the other candidates only promise to REDUCE our dependence on foreign oil, which is the same meaningless baloney that we have gotten from Bush.
And Huckabee is the ONLY major candidate to propose completely eliminating the income tax, the IRS, and taxes on savings and investments. That would be a HUGE change that would greatly benefit America and the whole world. The other establishment candidates all favor keeping the IRS and the income tax, which means in my view, that they are economic Bolsheviks.
On the critical issue of Supreme Court appointments, and appointments to the other federal courts, if Huckabee is being truthful about being pro-life, that could lead to Roe v. Wade being overturned which would dramatically reduce the number of abortions in America.
And if Huckabee is being truthful about his strong commitment to the Second Amendment (the right to bear arms), that could protect a vital Constitutional right that is being taken away little by little from American citizens.
On the homosexual Sodomite issue, Huckabee also claims to be against the pro-homosexual laws that Romney and Giuliani strongly supported in Massachusetts and New York.
On immigration and crime, Huckabee is a disaster. But so are Romney, Giuliani, McCain, Thompson and all of the establishment candidates. We will have a big fight on our hands on immigration no matter who is elected president.
Finally, people are forgetting that the polls currently show Hillary Sodom Clinton narrowly beating the Republicans. Romney the flipflopping Mormon opportunist is not going to beat Clinton. And Giuliani may cause a third party conservative candidacy that will split the Republican vote. With Huckabee, the Republicans will be united and enthusiastic against Clinton, which will give us a chance to win. Even with Huckabee, we will have a very tough fight against Clinton, but at least we'll have a chance. I think a Huckabee-Clinton race would be close with Americans divided almost 50-50 just like in the past two presidential elections of 2000 and 2004. In a Romney-Clinton race, I think Clinton would win easily.
If we support Huckabee, we could begin a major campaign of videos and of posting responses to all of the Huckabee videos, in order to try to influence things.
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Chaim
When I read your posts, it's almost as if I hear your voice reading the words to me.
Does anyone else have that?
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Chaim, I have brought up that several times that Huckster's insane views that Jesus wants us to be merciful to hardcore criminals and that Jesus wants us to aid illegal immigrants in every way illustrate that he is kind to the cruel and therefore surely the reverse will show itself to be true soon enough.
I proposed that it is possible that he claims to unconditionally support Israel because he wants to get Christian votes. Maybe I am wrong. However, given his warped ideas of mercy and justice in other areas, can you demonstrate to me why he would not be likely to declare (likely after getting elected) that "Jesus loves the P-words"? He would be the exact type to go that route. There already are a lot of so-called Christian leaders today, even evangelical ones, that make this claim.
Also, what does he want to do about Jonathan Pollard? If he, like 99.9% of the other so-called pro-Israel Republicans out there, professes to "support Israel but Jonathan Pollard is a convicted traitor" (like Tom DeLay and the entire GOP House), then I think we can safely discard anything positive he has to say on any Israeli issue.
As to your other points:
1: It is extremely unlikely that a president, without the support of Congress or at least the overwhelming weight of public opinion, can get us energy independent in ten years. Basically the only way he could even attempt to do this would be via executive order, and this would allow all of his opponents to accuse him of being a dictator and likely run him out of office in four years.
This is assuming he's even sincere about it, which I think is debatable.
2: See above for the likelihood he'll accomplish anything on taxes.
3: It is more likely that he will be able to appoint pro-life justices, but seriously--how likely is any president to be able to replace the entire Court short of Scalia and Thomas?
Please note, Chaim, that I am not saying I for sure won't vote for Huckster. I'm just declaring that it would be very difficult to do so.
Chaimfan
PS: I did not assert that Huckabee supports Obama. I said he is friends with the politically-correct, people-pleasing pastor of a large megachurch out here (Rick Warren) who is in love with that animal.
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Right now, Huckabee's position on Israel is better than the other candidates. He could have said the same thing that Romney, Giuliani, McCain and the others are saying, namely that he supports a PLO-Hamas state in Judea and Samaria but only if the Arab Muslim Nazis stop engaging in terrorism, and the Christians and Jews stupidly would have been satisfied with that answer. You never see anyone criticizing the establishment candidates for their stand on Israel. But Huckabee chose to break away from that establishment view, and said that he is against tiny Israel giving up land. Whether he sticks to that position is something I can't predict. But right now he clearly is the best candidate on Israel.
On energy, I disagree with you CF. Creating a crash program to achieve energy independence in 10 years is very realistic if you have a president who will make it a major national priority. I believe that most Americans want energy independence and would strongly support a crash program. This would enable a president to get such a program through the Congress. This issue alone would have enormous implications. I think Huckabee really wants to do this. Unfortunately, he wants this also for silly "environmental" reasons. But the end result would be a devastating blow to the Muslim world.
CF, you're right about Huckabee having mercy on the cruel. That's his number one flaw. That's why he takes such insane positions on immigration and crime. He believes that he has to do this as a Christian, which is absurd. But on these issues, all of the candidates with any chance of winning are terrible. I do believe that Huckabee is the lesser of the evils on immigration compared to Clinton or Obama, because the Republican and conservative base overwhelmingly opposes amnesty and will try to keep Huckabee in check. The Democrat and leftist base of Clinton and Obama overwhelmingly support amnesty and open borders, so there will be no check on a Clinton or Obama presidency.
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Dearest Chaim,
I am enjoying this discussion/debate. I think this shows the world that JTF members are free to differ from you and that we can keep these differences extremely civil and intellectual. For the record, I am not positive that all I am saying is correct, but merely want you to consider the other side of the coin on all of your points.
A. Israel
1. How can we be sure that he is sincere on Israel? Considering his warped, twisted theology--which is not found in the New Testament--I think it is fair to consider whether he may be using Israel as an issue by which to corner the Christian vote amidst a terrible pack. I am certain you will agree with me that the vast majority of professing Christians who share his views on immigration, race, crime, terrorism, and Third World nations tend to also believe in the notion of a Fagestinian Race and hate Israel. I made a thread about several of these so-called believers to give some background.
2. Where does he stand on Jonathan Pollard?
3. Doesn't Duncan Hunter unconditionally support Israel also?
B. Energy Independence
1. Perhaps I should have qualified--it will be very difficult to push this through if he is sincere. If he is not, then it is a nonstarter. We all saw what happened to Bush's grand plan to privatize Social Security. He pretty much bailed on it a week after he proposed it. He even failed in his goal of legalizing all the wetbacks, and that was the very heart and soul of his presidency. Becoming energy independent will be more difficult than abolishing Social Security or legalizing the cucarachas. Do I believe that a very popular president who makes it his top priority will be able to pull it off? Yes. Will it be difficult? Yes. Do I think that someone going into this halfheartedly will be able to pull it off? Absolutely not.
2. Just recently, Huckabee did propose a border-enforcement plan that looks quite good on paper. This is obviously very contrary to where we know he stands on the issue. Since this is obviously a sham and a vote-getting stunt, how do you know his energy-independence plan is not?
3. Even if he is real right now on this, how do you know what would happen when he realizes you need Big Oil to pay your way into the White House?
C. Immigration
I concede to you that Huckabee's views on immigration are not really worse than the other candidates', and in fact perhaps you could give him credit for being honest about it. At the same time, the fact that he is doing this out of heartfelt religious zeal, rather than crony politicking, could make him more dangerous and determined than the mainstreamers.
D. Abortion
So, he says he will appoint only pro-life judges. What president has actually followed through with that? Every Republican promises to outlaw abortion in the primaries, in order to placate the party base, but as soon as the general comes around quickly backtracks and throws in a million exceptions for when he believes abortion should be permitted.
For the record, Chaim, if I could be positive that all of your optimistic projections about his good qualities were true, there is a very good chance I would vote for him.
Chaimfan
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I'm still routing for Rudy. He might not be perfect, but I have seen first-hand how he cleaned up New York and would like to see the same done for the rest of the country. If Rudy doesn't win than Huckabee will be my second choice. I want Rudy to choose Bob Ehrlich as his vice presidential running mate, but considering that probably won't happen, I hope that Rudy chooses Huchabee.
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I'm still routing for Rudy. He might not be perfect, but I have seen first-hand how he cleaned up New York and would like to see the same done for the rest of the country. If Rudy doesn't win than Huckabee will be my second choice. I want Rudy to choose Bob Ehrlich as his vice presidential running mate, but considering that probably won't happen, I hope that Rudy chooses Huchabee.
I concur takebackourtemple.
Evangelicals without any discernment trusted George Bush and now he is a disaster. He has done a job of thousands of muslim mullahs by repeatedly declaring islam as a religion of peace. This is one of the reasons Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy Giuliani. South Dakota voters rejected ban on all abortions. However the supreme court has ruled in favor of banning partial birth abortion. So in this culture it is not practically possible to ban all abortions. For Pat Robertson supreme court approving the ban of partial birth abortion is "mission accomplished" when it comes to the issue of abortion. Regarding homosexuality again is not possible to pass an amendment to define that marriage should be between a man and a woman with more number of liberals likely to get elected in the future senate elections. With all these things in mind Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy Giuliani. Pat Robertson also believes that Rudy Giuliani is the ideal candidate to kick U.N. out of America. Right now we need a candidate who can really wage a global war against islam. To achieve this goal I believe Rudy is the ideal candidate.
Dear Chaim,
We have a lot of self-hating Christians in our midst like self-hating Jews in the Jewish community. We are our worst enemies. Huckabee could be come a "compassionate" conservative like George Bush after getting elected. We never know, his compassion might also reach out to homosexuals and muslims. With the bitter experience we had with the so-called Evangelical Christian George Bush we have to be very cautious about supporting Huckabee. Like Chaim Fan pointed out if Huckabee brings pseudo-Christian leaders like Rick Warren, Chuck Colson and other Israel haters into his inner circle they will definitely mislead him. Pat Robertson, who is 78 years old now knows very well about all Christian leaders. I trust Pat Robertson's judgment.
Shalom
Christian Zionist
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Chuck Colson is a Jew-hater? I did not know that. >:(
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i think all politics are bollocks. these people just get ur hopes up then let u down.
at the same time, i've been watching the debates and so far i definitelly like Huckabee. In fact, he's the only one i can stand.
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Chuck Colson is a Jew-hater? I did not know that. >:(
Yes he is. He does not believe in the restoration of Israel.
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How is Huckabee's stance on Islamic terror?? Thats a very big issue with me and that includes Iran
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Chuck Colson is a Jew-hater? I did not know that. >:(
Yes he is. He does not believe in the restoration of Israel.
Yes he is a jew-hater. >:(
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http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=8
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I know that he (Huckster) has b**ched about alleged torture of al-Qaeda suspects. So... don't expect him to win in Iraq or anywhere else anytime soon.
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As for Chuck Colson, I found this:
http://www.watch.org/showart.php3?idx=55020&rtn=/index.html&showsubj=1&mcat=1
His is the first op-ed piece on the page. He spouts the same two-state crap that everybody else on the planet does. Is he a deliberate Jew-hater or just a suck-up phony? Hard to say.
Since he was one of Nixon's cronies, it isn't hard to picture the former, though.
The sad truth is that the majority of Christians--and probably at least half of evangelical ones--subscribe to his views. :(
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What do you think of the speech that Huckabee gave to the Council on Foreign Relations:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/14335/
He did mention energy independence:
"The first thing I will do as president is send Congress my comprehensive plan for energy independence, which we will achieve by the end of my second term. To those who say it will take twenty years, I compare the lackadaisical pace of work when you bring your car in for service with the urgent, concentrated effort made when a NASCAR driver pulls up for a pit stop. We must view becoming energy independent like a pit stop where every second counts, not like dropping off the family station wagon for Goober and Gomer to work on. We will explore, we will conserve, and we will pursue all avenues of alternative energy – nuclear, wind, solar, hydrogen, clean coal, ethanol and other biomass, and biodiesel."
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I believe that former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee is the lesser of the evils among the major candidates for the presidency. I do not agree with his positions and do not like his record on a number of key issues, but that is also true for all of the major presidential candidates. On the other hand, on some vital issues, Huckabee is clearly the best candidate. And I believe that he has the best chance of beating either Hillary Saddam Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama in November 2008.
Here is how I see the race at this point:
1. On Israel, Huckabee is the best major candidate. Only Huckabee and Congressman Duncan Hunter have publicly stated that they against any further Israeli territorial retreats. All of the other candidates support pressuring tiny Israel to make suicidal retreats if the Arab Muslim Nazis promise for the millionth time that they will stop murdering Jews and seeking another holocaust. Of course, there is no guarantee that Huckabee will remain firm on this issue when the Arab oil sheiks, the Europeans, the Russians, the world news media and the self-hating Jews start pressuring him to do what every American president has done since 1967, which is to demand that tiny Israel commit national suicide for "peace". But for now, Huckabee has taken the right stand and his stand is based upon his belief in the Bible. As far as Hunter is concerned, he is good on Israel but he has absolutely no chance of winning the presidency.
2. Huckabee is the best candidate on energy independence. Only Huckabee has flatly promised that he will make America energy independent within ten years. He has also criticized everyone else for saying that energy independence in the near future is unrealistic. Huckabee says that the first thing he will do as president is introduce a major new crash program to develop alternative sources of energy and to drastically reduce our current consumption of oil. Huckabee understands that this is a national security emergency and that we cannot win the war against Islamic terrorism as long as we remain dependent on Muslim terrorist oil-producing nations. If he carries out this promise and if he gets Congress to pass his proposals, this will in the long term be a devastating blow to our Islamic enemies.
3. Huckabee promises to completely eliminate the income tax, the IRS, and taxes on savings and capital gains. This would be great if he really followed through and if he could get the Congress to go along. Huckabee wants to replace taxes on income, savings and capital gains with a large national sales tax. This would be a tremendous boost for the economy, and would restore the Constitutional rights of American citizens which the income tax blatantly violates. We should note that despite taking this stand, Huckabee's own record on taxes as governor of Arkansas is a terrible one. Huckabee raised taxes and increased spending in Arkansas. Will he act differently as president as he now promises? Who knows?
4. Huckabee's record on immigration is terrible. He did support taxpayer-funded scholarships for the children of illegal aliens. When a state legislator proposed taking action against the flood of illegal aliens in Arkansas, Huckabee called him a racist and said that the legislation is un-American and un-Christian. Huckabee refuses to use the word "aliens" because he says that these are human beings, not creatures from outer space. Now that he is running for president, Huckabee claims to support securing the border and building a fence. But I think his record clearly shows that he cannot be trusted on this issue. Like all of the major candidates, Huckabee is pro-amnesty although he dishonestly denies it. On immigration, Huckabee STINKS, but then again so do Romney, Giuliani, McCain and Thompson. They are ALL pro-amnesty.
On many other matters, Huckabee is "politically correct". He pushed to reduce prison time for convicted drug dealers in Arkansas, and he helped release a convicted rapist who then went on to murder two women. Huckabee has promised to reduce prison time for convicted crack dealers in the federal system.
On the other hand, Huckabee is pro-life, pro-Second Amendment and against the homosexual Sodomite agenda. On social issues, he is better than the other major candidates.
It's a mixed bag. There are serious problems with Huckabee as with all of the major candidates, but on balance, I believe that he is a lesser of the evils.
Finally, I think he has the best chance of beating Clinton or Obama. He is the ONLY major candidate who would have a united and enthusiastic Republican base behind him. And Huckabee is the best speaker, best debater and most personally likable of the Republican or Democrat candidates running for president.
Therefore, I recommend that we support him and begin a major campaign on his behalf.
BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON THIS WITHIN OUR MOVEMENT, WE WILL DO NOTHING UNTIL WE GET FEEDBACK FROM OUR GREAT MEMBERS. PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS RECOMMENDATION.
Chaim you also forgot that he is stongly Pro Life.
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Chaim, I have done a lot of research on Huckabee in the last few days and I have been able to find proof that every one of his assertions is a total lie or a total flip-flop, including his stance on Israel. As early as this January, he was publicly voicing sympathy for the Israeli Arab Nazis and claiming that they are getting evicted from their homes. Please visit my blog: http://stopmikehuckster.wordpress.com.
His energy-independence plan was cooked-up, on the spot, as a way to deflect from the fact that he does not want to attack Iran. I can prove this. He also raised taxes all throughout his tenure as governor. I invite you to research this matter and all of his other so-called proposals.
I cannot vote for this man in good conscience, who is a liar and a fraud in the worst way. Rudy or Romney would be better and probably more electable.
I am voting for Duncan Hunter.
G-d bless you, Chaim.
Chaimfan
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CF, I disagree with you that Huckabee is lying on Israel. I know what he wrote in his book about the need to be humane to the Arab Muslim Nazis who call them themselves "Pal-estinians", and of course, it's disgusting. But even in that quote, he wrote about the "divine right" of the Jews to reclaim their land. Huckabee's position has always been that he favors creating a "Pal-estine" state outside of Israel on land that is currently controlled by the Arab Muslim Nazi nations. He is against tiny Israel surrendering land. His "humane" solution is to create such a state outside of the land that Israel currently controls. Because as he wrote in his book, he believes that the Jews have a "divine right" to Judea and Samaria. Now his "solution" is idiotic because there are no "Pal-estinians". And the Arabs will never accept his "solution" because the whole point of their demanding another independent state is to take the land away from the Jewish "infidels". But the bottom line is that Huckabee believes the land belongs to the Jews by divine right and he opposes any retreats. If he sticks by that position, it would be the first time ever that an American president would support Israel's right to Judea, Samaria, the Golan Heights and Jerusalem. Of course, if elected, he will come under enormous pressure to change his stand. That's why we have to support him now so that if he's elected we can counterpressure him NOT to change by reminding him that we played a role in his election. Once in office, he will certainly want to get re-elected in 2012.
On immigration, I do think he's a phony with a bad record. But his latest immigration proposals are better than those of Romney or Giuliani or McCain. Huckabee knows that his constituency wants tough action on illegal immigration. His latest proposals prove that he is subject to political pressure, and we must keep that pressure on him if he is elected. He knows that if he proposes amnesty like Bush and McCain have done, there will be an enormous political backlash.
As far as Hunter and Tancredo are concerned, I believe that in about a month they both will be withdrawing from this race after being beaten badly in Iowa and New Hampshire. By the time the February 5 "Super Tuesday" primaries are held in California, New York and 20 other states, Hunter and Tancredo will no longer be candidates, in my opinion. CF, I am almost sure that you will not get a chance to vote for them. Tancredo wants to run for the Senate in Colorado in 2010, and Hunter will pull out if he does not do well in next door Nevada on January 19. By February 5, when you and I will be voting in our states, I can almost guarantee you that these two guys will be out of the race.
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CF, I also disagree that Huckabee is lying about his commitment to energy independence. He has made energy independence the centerpiece of his long range strategy to combat Islamic terrorism. Huckabee brings up the issue of oil addiction constantly, and constantly repeats his pledge to make America energy independent within 10 years. This is an issue that I think he really believes in.
CF, we disagree on the question of whether to support Huckabee, but I deeply respect your views. Our disagreement will be only temporary. Why? Because if Huckabee loses the Republican nomination, then we will not be supporting him after all. If he wins the nomination, then I think we have an almost unanimous consensus in JTF that we have to support the Republican nominee against Clinton or Obama. So either way, win or lose, I believe that our movement will be united once the Republican nominee is selected, and that should happen by February 5 when 22 states will hold primaries and caucuses all on the same day.
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All I know is I don't want a man in office who let a rapist out of jail and then the rapist murders two women, that is just too big of a mistake for me to support Huckabee.
That letting people out of jail just sounds too Liberal for me, no true Conservative Republican lets people out of jail, but everyone has their own opinion.
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In terms of Huckabee's stance on Israel, how do we know it's not bluster? It sounds good. But then again, talk is cheap.
As I see it, conservatives get in trouble when they start backing who they think is "electable" as opposed to a candidate who is a true conservative. So if they were to spend most of their time and energy pushing true conservatives vs. those who seem "electable" this whole issue would be moot.
I strongly feel that Huckabee is the one. If we were to expend our vote elsewhere it would be wasting ammunition. I feel that Huckabee in contrast to other opinion maybe holding back some of his stronger conservative views to appease the left to center votes, not a bad strategy. We have decided to edorse and puch him as best we can. Mitt Romney on the other hand is in my opion a snake in the grass, and at the same time cannot endorse a person that would distort the Hebrew and Greek text of the the Holy Bible. JUST MY OPINION.
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As of right now, i think Huckabee is the best of the bunch. No, he aint perfect. His record on immigration is atrocious, but i think theres so much pressure on that issue that he's gonna have to get tougher there eventually. He does have alot of good things going for him....strongly pro-life, strong military, energy independence, and wants to abolish the IRS. He's generally right-wing on social issues and i find his sense of humor and authenticity as a person appealing. It seems like when he talks to you he's telling the truth, at least moreso then the other candidates.
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Just to add....
I have major concerns that Huckabee can win the general election. M-A-J-O-R.
Guiliani, however, can very well win a general. He will get ALOT of the independent voters, who usually decide the race. He might even get some democrats to vote for him.
So although my preference would be Huckabee, i might have to go with Guiliani b/c the bottom line is we CANNOT have a democrat in office.
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I can't and I won't get behind Mike Huckabee, in fact, I wouldn't back him for dog catcher.
I'm backing Fred Thompson right now.
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I can't and I won't get behind Mike Huckabee, in fact, I wouldn't back him for dog catcher.
I'm backing Fred Thompson right now.
well thats pointless.
Fred thompson is practically dead, as chaim said is the laziest candidate ever. He supports mccaine who is a illegal immigrant nutjob and wants 20 million in america.
I really think you should reconsider and ote for huckabee.
Fred thomson is a wasted vote...
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well thats pointless.
Fred thompson is practically dead, as chaim said is the laziest candidate ever. He supports mccaine who is a illegal immigrant nutjob and wants 20 million in america.
I really think you should reconsider and ote for huckabee.
Fred thomson is a wasted vote...
Don't be ridiculous. Fred is far from dead, and its way too early to make the assumption that any of these guys will win or lose. I don't believe Fred is lazy either, although you might if you only pay attention to the MSM. I have been informed and aware of what he does, and where he does it.
Huckabee is a terribly flawed candidate, he has way too many ethics problems, financial misdeeds while in office, and his history of pardoning anyone and everyone who claims "I found Jesus" is sickening.
Sorry but no, I won't back him.
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well thats pointless.
Fred thompson is practically dead, as chaim said is the laziest candidate ever. He supports mccaine who is a illegal immigrant nutjob and wants 20 million in america.
I really think you should reconsider and ote for huckabee.
Fred thomson is a wasted vote...
Don't be ridiculous. Fred is far from dead, and its way too early to make the assumption that any of these guys will win or lose. I don't believe Fred is lazy either, although you might if you only pay attention to the MSM. I have been informed and aware of what he does, and where he does it.
Huckabee is a terribly flawed candidate, he has way too many ethics problems, financial misdeeds while in office, and his history of pardoning anyone and everyone who claims "I found Jesus" is sickening.
Sorry but no, I won't back him.
So basically you are anti christian, thats what it boils down to.
You have nothing to back up your hate for huckabee apart from he s arightous man, and hes the best on israel, hes the best on energy independence and hes the best on moral issues and hes the best on the 2nd ammendment....
Bsically you are a liberal leftist pseudo con, admit it, why dont you vote for the muslim hussein obamba while yuo are at it :rolleyes:
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well thats pointless.
Fred thompson is practically dead, as chaim said is the laziest candidate ever. He supports mccaine who is a illegal immigrant nutjob and wants 20 million in america.
I really think you should reconsider and ote for huckabee.
Fred thomson is a wasted vote...
Don't be ridiculous. Fred is far from dead, and its way too early to make the assumption that any of these guys will win or lose. I don't believe Fred is lazy either, although you might if you only pay attention to the MSM. I have been informed and aware of what he does, and where he does it.
Huckabee is a terribly flawed candidate, he has way too many ethics problems, financial misdeeds while in office, and his history of pardoning anyone and everyone who claims "I found Jesus" is sickening.
Sorry but no, I won't back him.
So basically you are anti christian, thats what it boils down to.
You have nothing to back up your hate for huckabee apart from he s arightous man, and hes the best on israel, hes the best on energy independence and hes the best on moral issues and hes the best on the 2nd ammendment....
Bsically you are a liberal leftist pseudo con, admit it, why dont you vote for the muslim hussein obamba while yuo are at it :rolleyes:
Excuse me, but, only a flat out fanatical lunatic would call me anti-Christian for what I said up there.
Sorry, since when is shady financial deals, lying to the public, and questionable ethics the mark of a righteous man?
You call me a liberal leftist pseudo con? Piss up a rope dude, because when you compare Huckabee, who is pro-illegal aliens, pro amnesty, soft on crime, all for high taxes and high spending, big on big government and he supports International Carbon Credit Trading, he's the liberal and you're supporting him. In fact, he's the same on these issues as Obama is, and Hillary, and Ewards too, as well and the rest of the democrats, so why don't you plan on voting for Obama yourself.
My conservative credentials have long been established, if not here, elsewhere. You, and anyone else on this board, are more than welcome to google my name and see who I am and what I stand for.
In the internet world, you are snot nosed kid nipping at the ankles of the adults. If you want to participate in a discussion, you better show a little bit of common courtesy and common decency. Name calling is the badge of honor for the looney left, and you are exibiting an awful lot of anti-social behavior.
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well thats pointless.
Fred thompson is practically dead, as chaim said is the laziest candidate ever. He supports mccaine who is a illegal immigrant nutjob and wants 20 million in america.
I really think you should reconsider and ote for huckabee.
Fred thomson is a wasted vote...
Don't be ridiculous. Fred is far from dead, and its way too early to make the assumption that any of these guys will win or lose. I don't believe Fred is lazy either, although you might if you only pay attention to the MSM. I have been informed and aware of what he does, and where he does it.
Huckabee is a terribly flawed candidate, he has way too many ethics problems, financial misdeeds while in office, and his history of pardoning anyone and everyone who claims "I found Jesus" is sickening.
Sorry but no, I won't back him.
So basically you are anti christian, thats what it boils down to.
You have nothing to back up your hate for huckabee apart from he s arightous man, and hes the best on israel, hes the best on energy independence and hes the best on moral issues and hes the best on the 2nd ammendment....
Bsically you are a liberal leftist pseudo con, admit it, why dont you vote for the muslim hussein obamba while yuo are at it :rolleyes:
Excuse me, but, only a flat out fanatical lunatic would call me anti-Christian for what I said up there.
Sorry, since when is shady financial deals, lying to the public, and questionable ethics the mark of a righteous man?
You call me a liberal leftist pseudo con? Piss up a rope dude, because when you compare Huckabee, who is pro-illegal aliens, pro amnesty, soft on crime, all for high taxes and high spending, big on big government and he supports International Carbon Credit Trading, he's the liberal and you're supporting him. In fact, he's the same on these issues as Obama is, and Hillary, and Ewards too, as well and the rest of the democrats, so why don't you plan on voting for Obama yourself.
My conservative credentials have long been established, if not here, elsewhere. You, and anyone else on this board, are more than welcome to google my name and see who I am and what I stand for.
In the internet world, you are snot nosed kid nipping at the ankles of the adults. If you want to participate in a discussion, you better show a little bit of common courtesy and common decency. Name calling is the badge of honor for the looney left, and you are exibiting an awful lot of anti-social behavior.
roflfl
You are either extremely mentally ill(i think you are) or you are a muslim loving neo con. Either way you are full of evil.
I want you to answer these questions.
1) if the court ordered huckabee and the people voted for tax raises, then what is he suppose to do you idiot???
2) who are you going to vote for???Are you a bible believer, if so, who are you going to vote for....
3) this is huckabees record in arkasas, please debunk each point....
• Improved roads from the worst in the nation to most improved.
• Left office with a record budget surplus, after inheriting a deficit
• Grew the Arkansas economy at a rate higher than the national average
• Sponsored the largest broad-based tax cut in Arkansas history
• Cut the state welfare rolls in half
• Created the innovative health-care program for Arkansas children called ARKids, cutting the number of uninsured children in half.
• Created the innovative Smart Start and Smart Step education programs, which led to markedly improved student test scores
• Created the innovative Smart Core curriculum standards, which led to a massive increase in the number of AP tests taken by high-schoolers.
• Chaired the National Governors’ Association
• Named one of America’s Top 5 Governors by TIME
• Named a “Distinguished Public Health Legislator of the Year” in 2005
• Awared the AARP’s Impact Award in 2006
• Named a top “Doer, Dreamer & Driver” by Government Technology magazine, after leading AR to a top 10 finish in the 2004 Digital States Survey.
• Effectively handled the influx of 75,000 Katrina evacuees
4) chaim is far more well informed, intelligent and superior to you, i wil take his judgement over some muslim loving anti chrstian person like you...
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roflfl
You are either extremely mentally ill(i think you are) or you are a muslim loving neo con. Either way you are full of evil.
you idiot?
some muslim loving anti chrstian person like you...
Oh my. You sound a little upset there buddy.
So, I am mentally ill, a muslim loving neo con, full of evil, and idiot and an anti-Christian simply because I do not support Mike Huckabee?
Thanks for the entertainment.
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roflfl
You are either extremely mentally ill(i think you are) or you are a muslim loving neo con. Either way you are full of evil.
you idiot?
some muslim loving anti chrstian person like you...
Oh my. You sound a little upset there buddy.
So, I am mentally ill, a muslim loving neo con, full of evil, and idiot and an anti-Christian simply because I do not support Mike Huckabee?
Thanks for the entertainment.
lindasog treanslator "i got out debated by christisn4jews and chaim and i cannot make a decent come back, so im leaving this thread"
You really are pathetic....
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roflfl
You are either extremely mentally ill(i think you are) or you are a muslim loving neo con. Either way you are full of evil.
you idiot?
some muslim loving anti chrstian person like you...
Oh my. You sound a little upset there buddy.
So, I am mentally ill, a muslim loving neo con, full of evil, and idiot and an anti-Christian simply because I do not support Mike Huckabee?
Thanks for the entertainment.
lindasog treanslator "i got out debated by christisn4jews and chaim and i cannot make a decent come back, so im leaving this thread"
You really are pathetic....
pssst... hate to tell ya, but calling someone names is not debating.
Oh, you forgot a few things on your Huckabee list... like the fourteen separate investigations into his his ethics by the ethics commission, and the five times, he was officially reprimanded for his ethics violations. And all the other mini-scandals and embarrassments along the way.
Like when he used public money for family restaurant meals, boat expenses, and other personal uses. Like when he tried to claim as his own some $70,000 of furniture donated to the governor's mansion.
And the "wedding gift registry" he set up after his failed bid to take the furniture from the governor's mansion, so public would buy him furnishings for his new $525,000 home. As Huck says, "there there should be no limit on gifts short of a bribe."
And the all the times he refused to divulge the names of donors to a "charitable" organization he set up while lieutenant governor -- an outfit whose main charitable purpose seemed to be to pay Huckabee to make speeches. Oh, and how he fudged his taxes, misreporting the income itself from the suspicious "charity."
Oh, and there's no need to mention his wife who, in response to inquiries about the donors to that charity, responded by saying that a donor's name "wouldn't be enough. [Then] you'd want to know who he was married to, and then his wife would be German descent, and you'd have Mike, you'd have him responsible for 600,000 killings of Jews."
And about his misuse of the state airplane for personal reasons.
And, you forgot to mention the governor's attacks on the media for reporting the transgressions of his administration, rather than making any effort whatsoever to make things right.
And, of course, you forgot to mention that his pardon pen, which he brandished for anyone who claimed he "found Jesus," secure the release of already-well-known rapist Wayne Dumond, the released convict sexually assaulted and murdered at woman in Missouri, and probably two, with the other being pregnant at the time of her death.
That's okay though. Obviously, calling me a liberal leftist pseudo con, mentally ill, a muslim loving neo con, full of evil, an idiot and an anti-Christian has stretched your intellectual capacity to its limits.
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roflfl
You are either extremely mentally ill(i think you are) or you are a muslim loving neo con. Either way you are full of evil.
you idiot?
some muslim loving anti chrstian person like you...
Oh my. You sound a little upset there buddy.
So, I am mentally ill, a muslim loving neo con, full of evil, and idiot and an anti-Christian simply because I do not support Mike Huckabee?
Thanks for the entertainment.
lindasog treanslator "i got out debated by christisn4jews and chaim and i cannot make a decent come back, so im leaving this thread"
You really are pathetic....
pssst... hate to tell ya, but calling someone names is not debating.
Oh, you forgot a few things on your Huckabee list... like the fourteen separate investigations into his his ethics by the ethics commission, and the five times, he was officially reprimanded for his ethics violations. And all the other mini-scandals and embarrassments along the way.
Like when he used public money for family restaurant meals, boat expenses, and other personal uses. Like when he tried to claim as his own some $70,000 of furniture donated to the governor's mansion.
And the "wedding gift registry" he set up after his failed bid to take the furniture from the governor's mansion, so public would buy him furnishings for his new $525,000 home. As Huck says, "there there should be no limit on gifts short of a bribe."
And the all the times he refused to divulge the names of donors to a "charitable" organization he set up while lieutenant governor -- an outfit whose main charitable purpose seemed to be to pay Huckabee to make speeches. Oh, and how he fudged his taxes, misreporting the income itself from the suspicious "charity."
Oh, and there's no need to mention his wife who, in response to inquiries about the donors to that charity, responded by saying that a donor's name "wouldn't be enough. [Then] you'd want to know who he was married to, and then his wife would be German descent, and you'd have Mike, you'd have him responsible for 600,000 killings of Jews."
And about his misuse of the state airplane for personal reasons.
And, you forgot to mention the governor's attacks on the media for reporting the transgressions of his administration, rather than making any effort whatsoever to make things right.
And, of course, you forgot to mention that his pardon pen, which he brandished for anyone who claimed he "found Jesus," secure the release of already-well-known rapist Wayne Dumond, the released convict sexually assaulted and murdered at woman in Missouri, and probably two, with the other being pregnant at the time of her death.
That's okay though. Obviously, calling me a liberal leftist pseudo con, mentally ill, a muslim loving neo con, full of evil, an idiot and an anti-Christian has stretched your intellectual capacity to its limits.
So who are you voting for :rolleyes:
No it did not stretch my limits, huckabee on paper is by far the best candidate, i never said his past was perfect, but you look at the other candidates, i you could smear all of them much worse than huckabee.
Tkae ruudy for example, he has more corruptions scandals than the mob.
You still wont dare say who you are backing :rolleyes:
You keep watching fox news you pseudo con sodomite.
As chaim said "its a disgrace if jews dont vote for huckabee since he feels its there divine right to be in israel"
You really are a disgrace, it wouldnt surpise me if you vote for mccaine as you are a hippy...
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So who are you voting for :rolleyes:
No it did not stretch my limits, huckabee on paper is by far the best candidate, i never said his past was perfect, but you look at the other candidates, i you could smear all of them much worse than huckabee.
Tkae ruudy for example, he has more corruptions scandals than the mob.
You still wont dare say who you are backing :rolleyes:
You keep watching fox news you pseudo con sodomite.
As chaim said "its a disgrace if jews dont vote for huckabee since he feels its there divine right to be in israel"
You really are a disgrace, it wouldnt surpise me if you vote for mccaine as you are a hippy...
Obviously, you have a little trouble with reading comprehension as well as a general lack of social skills, read up the thread, I very clearly stated who I was backing for this election.
Listen carefully, you silly little twit, name calling has no place in debate, if you want to have an adult discussion, grow up, leave the name calling out of it, and discuss things.
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So who are you voting for :rolleyes:
No it did not stretch my limits, huckabee on paper is by far the best candidate, i never said his past was perfect, but you look at the other candidates, i you could smear all of them much worse than huckabee.
Tkae ruudy for example, he has more corruptions scandals than the mob.
You still wont dare say who you are backing :rolleyes:
You keep watching fox news you pseudo con sodomite.
As chaim said "its a disgrace if jews dont vote for huckabee since he feels its there divine right to be in israel"
You really are a disgrace, it wouldnt surpise me if you vote for mccaine as you are a hippy...
Obviously, you have a little trouble with reading comprehension as well as a general lack of social skills, read up the thread, I very clearly stated who I was backing for this election.
Listen carefully, you silly little twit, name calling has no place in debate, if you want to have an adult discussion, grow up, leave the name calling out of it, and discuss things.
There is nothoing to debate, you are backing fred thompson a man who its debatable whether he will even live through to february the 5th let alone be part of it, you are a complete waste of time, and have proved to be mentally ill in your backing of thompson...
Evil just runs through your body....
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... Fred thompson is practically dead, as chaim said is the laziest candidate ever. He supports mccaine who is a illegal immigrant nutjob and wants 20 million in america.
By the way, Fred is anti-illegal immigration, he's the only candidate running who is, and always has been, anti-illegal immigration.
Huckabee is pro-illegals even to the point of trying to give them college scholarships and he claims that those who are anti-illegal immigration are racists. So, if you're anti-immigrant, then Huckabee thinks you're a racist.
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again linda you have lied.
from huckabees web site...
The Secure America Plan
A 9-Point Strategy for Immigration Enforcement and Border Security
Overview: Implement a broad-based strategy that commits the resources of the federal government to the enforcement of our immigration laws and results in the attrition of the illegal immigrant population.
1. Build the Fence
Ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along the border by July 1, 2010.
Ensure that the border fence construction is completed by July 1, 2010.
2. Increase Border Patrol
Increase the number of border patrol agents.
Fully support all law enforcement personnel tasked with enforcing immigration law.
3. Prevent Amnesty
Policies that promote or tolerate amnesty will be rejected.
Propose to provide all illegal immigrants a 120-day window to register with the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services and leave the country. Those who register and return to their home country will face no penalty if they later apply to immigrate or visit; those who do not return home will be, when caught, barred from future reentry for a period of 10 years.
This is not a "touchback" provision. Those who leave this country and apply to return from their home country would go to the back of the line.
4. Enforce the Law on Employers
Employment is the chief draw for most illegal immigrants and denying them jobs is the centerpiece of an attrition strategy.
Impose steep fines and penalties on employers that violate the law.
Institute a universal, mandatory citizenship verification system as part of the normal hiring process.
Prevent the IRS and the Social Security Administration from accepting fraudulent Social Security numbers or numbers that don't match the employees' names.*
5. Establish an Economic Border
Move toward passage of the FairTax.
The FairTax provides an extra layer of security by creating an economic disincentive to immigrate to the U.S. illegally.
6. Empower Local Authorities
Promote better cooperation on enforcement by supporting legislative measures such as the CLEAR Act, which aims to systematize the relationship between local law and federal immigration officials.
Encourage immigration-law training for police. Local authorities must be provided the tools, training, and funding they need so local police can turn illegal immigrants over to the federal authorities.
7. Ensure Document Security
End exemptions for Mexicans and Canadians to the US-VISIT program, which tracks the arrival and departure of foreign visitors. Since these countries account for the vast majority of foreigners coming here (85 percent), such a policy clearly violates Congress' intent in mandating this check-in/check-out system.
Reject Mexico's "matricula consular" card, which functions as an illegal-immigrant identification card.
8. Discourage Dual Citizenship
Inform foreign governments when their former citizens become naturalized U.S. citizens.
Impose civil and/or criminal penalties on American citizens who illegitimately use their dual status (e.g., using a foreign passport, voting in elections in both a foreign country and the U.S.).
9. Modernize the Process of Legal Immigration
Eliminate the visa lottery system and the admission category for adult brothers and sisters of U.S. citizens.
Increase visas for highly-skilled and highly-educated applicants.
Expedite processing for those who serve honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces.
Improve our immigration process so that those patiently and responsibly seeking to come here legally will not have to wait decades to share in the American dream. Governor Huckabee has always been grateful to live in a country that people are trying to break into, rather than break out of.
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again linda you have lied.
from huckabees web site...
Sorry dude. But... it's huckabee's web site that lies:
FACT: When Mr. Huckabee was governor of Arkansas, it turns out, he supported letting the children of illegal aliens, who met the same academic standards required of legal residents, apply for taxpayer-funded college scholarships.
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/?id=110011004
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Mike_Huckabee_Immigration.htm
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Huckabee is a lier, you can see it in his eyes. Last thing Israel needs is white americans saying there gonna stand by it. White americans can't be trusted there the most evil of evils. I consider white americans to be worst than muslims atleast you know what to expect out the muslims, not much.
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I think you are on the wrong forum buddy
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This is why white america laughs at you people you cant even agree on anything...when it doesnt go your way to start to call each other names this is so fun...