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Israel => Save Israel => Topic started by: mord on December 16, 2007, 03:33:49 PM
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they are real warriors >:(
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3483338,00.html
In Cold Blood
Scene of the murder Photo: Yonat Atlas
PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi teen admits to killing prostitute for NIS 150
Dahariya resident stabs Zviya Yegudayev in the neck during argument over money, mutilates her body
Yonat Atlas Published: 12.16.07, 19:07 / Israel News
A PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi admitted on Sunday to the murder of prostitute Zviya Yegudayev in Beersheba three weeks ago.
Yegudayev, a 28-year-old mother of three, was found by another prostitute in a grove near the Ben-Gurion University train station in the Negev city. Stab wounds and bruises were found all over her body.
Initially investigators believed the murder was carried out by a Beersheba resident, but a week ago, after processing evidence that was found at the scene of the crime, police arrested two brothers from the West Bank village of Dahariya, near Hebron.
One of the brothers reenacted the murder and said during his interrogation that he had killed the prostitute following an argument over money.
Superintendent David Shriki told Ynet that the teen said Yegudayev owed him NIS 150 (about $38) for sexual services that she was supposed to give him a week prior to the murder. According to the police officer, the PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi returned to Beersheba and stabbed the prostitute in the neck and then mutilated her body.
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The teen also stole Yegudayev's cell phone, Shriki said.
As for the murderer's brother, Shriki said "we are checking his level of involvement in the murder; he apparently helped his brother only after the murder occurred."
Police intend to file an indictment against the PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi teen with the Beersheba District Court in the coming days.
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An immoral life, contrary to the Tanakh and the Torah She'bal Pe, and relations with the enemy lead only to such an outcome.
Let this be a lesson to every Jew and righteous Gentile.
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Unless she was forced into prostitution, this mother of three deserved to die.
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It you going to kill, you do it quick and clean, not mutilate it. They are solely animals. >:(
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The story says that She owed him money for services she did for him..
What is going on there?!If she did a service for him, he is meant to pay her.
it is possible she did not have relations with him.. Maybe he paid her and she refused relations, and kept the money!
ah, maybe it was change from something like a 100 dollar bill .. in shekels. The "poor" p@lestinians
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haha, muslims dont tolerate prostitutes like we do.... ;D
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This is just showing
HOW baalestinian "males"
prove their "masculinity"....
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haha, muslims dont tolerate prostitutes like we do.... ;D
I thought JTFers cared about their fellow Jews. But apparently you--and not only you--are laughing over this woman's murder!
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Nothing wrong with prostitutes, they do a job they get paid for it.
Its the oldest profession in the world.
Supply and demand.
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haha, muslims dont tolerate prostitutes like we do.... ;D
I thought JTFers cared about their fellow Jews. But apparently you--and not only you--are laughing over this woman's murder!
To many women are worth nothing.
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At least prostitutes earn a living (unlike the charedim!) and nobody's forcing the clients to go with them. No demand= no supply. Blame the men for the prostitute problem.
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At least prostitutes earn a living (unlike the charedim!) and nobody's forcing the clients to go with them. No demand= no supply. Blame the men for the prostitute problem.
Actually both men and women are simply having sex for pleasure. The women gain pleasure from the money they "earn" while the men obtain pleasure more directly. So really both are equally to blame!
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At least prostitutes earn a living (unlike the charedim!) and nobody's forcing the clients to go with them. No demand= no supply. Blame the men for the prostitute problem.
I have nothing against prsotitutes. That's an undegnifying job, and I feel pity for them. But comparing Charedim with prostitutes is an unbearable insult to Jews!!!!!!
If a Gentile here in my village had made such an offensive remark, I'd probably have punched him or hit his head with an empty bottle of beer.
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At least prostitutes earn a living (unlike the charedim!) and nobody's forcing the clients to go with them. No demand= no supply. Blame the men for the prostitute problem.
I have nothing against prsotitutes. That's an undegnifying job, and I feel pity for them. But comparing Charedim with prostitutes is an unbearable insult to Jews!!!!!!
If a Gentile here in my village had made such an offensive remark, I'd probably have punched him or hit his head with an empty bottle of beer.
I didn't liken them to charedim, muttface!
I simply highlighted the fact that hookers work and charedim sponge off the taxpayer...................and it's TRUE!!!!!!!!
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But you are implying that prostitution is better than being a Charedi!!!!! Seriously offensive and hurting remark!!!
And except for a few Modern Orthodox, non Charedim vioalte at least some of the mitzvot. Do you prefer secular or half secular Jews?
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But you are implying that prostitution is better than being a Charedi!!!!! Seriously offensive and hurting remark!!!
And except for a few Modern Orthodox, non Charedim vioalte at least some of the mitzvot. Do you prefer secular or half secular Jews?
I did not! I made a comparison with regard to working versus bludging.
Charedim can be seen visiting prostitutes during the time of month they cannot sleep with their wives, BTW.
There is no hallacha that says a charedi cannot work. I simply made the point That prostitutes pay their way and charedim do not (about 65%+ don't, anyway).
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But you are implying that prostitution is better than being a Charedi!!!!! Seriously offensive and hurting remark!!!
And except for a few Modern Orthodox, non Charedim vioalte at least some of the mitzvot. Do you prefer secular or half secular Jews?
I did not! I made a comparison with regard to working versus bludging.
Charedim can be seen visiting prostitutes during the time of month they cannot sleep with their wives, BTW.
There is no hallacha that says a charedi cannot work. I simply made the point That prostitutes pay their way and charedim do not (about 65%+ don't, anyway).
STOP LASHON HARA AGAINST THE CHAREDIM
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But you are implying that prostitution is better than being a Charedi!!!!! Seriously offensive and hurting remark!!!
And except for a few Modern Orthodox, non Charedim vioalte at least some of the mitzvot. Do you prefer secular or half secular Jews?
I did not! I made a comparison with regard to working versus bludging.
Charedim can be seen visiting prostitutes during the time of month they cannot sleep with their wives, BTW.
There is no hallacha that says a charedi cannot work. I simply made the point That prostitutes pay their way and charedim do not (about 65%+ don't, anyway).
STOP LASHON HARA AGAINST THE CHAREDIM
Is there ONE group of misfits you DON'T defend?
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What did you mean by that accusation of Charedim visiting prostitues when their wives are Nidah? Do you mean that Jews who keep the Laws of Nidah are bogus? Do you support the reform abolishing Nidah Laws?
BTW, no real Charedi would visit a prstitute. Firstly because it's immoral sex, and secondly becuase a prostitute is ALWAYS Nidah, since they never go to mikveh.
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What did you meant by that accusation of Charedim visiting prostitues when their wives are Nidah? Do you mean that Jews who keep the Laws of Nidah are bogus? Do you support the reform abolishing Nidah Laws?
BTW, no real Charedi would visit a prstitute. Firstly because it's immoral sex, and secondly becuase a prostitute is ALWAYS Nidah, since they never go to mikveh
You're an idiot if you think Charedim don't sin from time to time like everyone else.
Secondly there are many different sects of charedim with different rabbis.SOME charedim claim that visiting a prostitute is NOT strictly forbidden as long as she is not married to someone else.
Read 'The Israelis' by Donna Rosenthal.
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There may be some Charedim who sin, but you had just written Charedim in general. It's a great sin!!!!!
And you didn't answer my question. Do you reagard Jewish family purity laws ( Not sleeping with one's wife while Nidah) as something of misfits? Do you support abolishing that Laws?
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There may be some Charedim who sin, but you had just written Charedim in general. It's a great sin!!!!!
And you didn't answer my question. Do you reagard Jewish family purity laws ( Not sleeping with one's wife while Nidah) as something of misfits? Do you support abolishing that Laws?
I've NO criticism of Jewish Family Laws! Nor did I say those who obey them are misfits.
LEARN TO READ, YOU THIRD WORLD MONKEY!!!!!!!!!
I simply said said some charedim go with prostitutes during this time.
They are misfits because they are anti-zionist.
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Not all Charedim are anti-Zionist. And anyway I find this words very offensive.
I made a comparison with regard to working versus bludging.
It's also offensive itself to bring Charedim issues into a thread about prostitution!!!!!!
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Not all Charedim are anti-Zionist. And anyway I find this words very offensive.
I made a comparison with regard to working versus bludging.
It's also offensive itself to bring Charedim issues into a thread about prostitution!!!!!!
Who cares what you think?
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I am sick heaing and reading anti Charedim bashing in the secular leftist or nazi-like newspapers here. And now I find similar comments here also!!!!
Remember, statiscally only 10% of Israelis are fully observant, and nearly all are Charedim!!!!!! What other obdervant Israelis do you know? I have never heard about non Charedim abstaining from using the TV and cell phones on Shabat!!!!
(Except for Karaites and Samaritans, but surely you don't like them)
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At least prostitutes earn a living (unlike the charedim!) and nobody's forcing the clients to go with them. No demand= no supply. Blame the men for the prostitute problem.
Actually both men and women are simply having sex for pleasure. The women gain pleasure from the money they "earn" while the men obtain pleasure more directly. So really both are equally to blame!
Prostitutes do it as a job, its not pleasure to them. I know many that work in brothels, many are very nice women.
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I am sick heaing and reading anti Charedim bashing in the secular leftist or nazi-like newspapers here. And now I find similar comments here also!!!!
Remember, statiscally only 10% of Israelis are fully observant, and nearly all are Charedim!!!!!! What other obdervant Israelis do you know? I have never heard about non Charedim abstaining from using the TV and cell phones on Shabat!!!!
(Except for Karaites and Samaritans, but surely you don't like them)
What a stupid question!
Judea and Samaria are full of observant Jews. They are called 'Orthodox Zionists'. They are proper Jews who earn their living AND serve in the army, not parasites.
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I am sick heaing and reading anti Charedim bashing in the secular leftist or nazi-like newspapers here. And now I find similar comments here also!!!!
Remember, statiscally only 10% of Israelis are fully observant, and nearly all are Charedim!!!!!! What other obdervant Israelis do you know? I have never heard about non Charedim abstaining from using the TV and cell phones on Shabat!!!!
(Except for Karaites and Samaritans, but surely you don't like them)
What a stupid question!
Judea and Samaria are full of observant Jews. They are called 'Orthodox Zionists'. They are proper Jews who earn their living AND serve in the army, not parasites.
There are only 200 thousand Jews in Yesha and it's true, they are mostly Orthodox. But you cannot reject Charedim and call them "parasites". Most Charedim don't work simply because they don't fit in the mostly secular Israeli society.
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I am sick heaing and reading anti Charedim bashing in the secular leftist or nazi-like newspapers here. And now I find similar comments here also!!!!
Remember, statiscally only 10% of Israelis are fully observant, and nearly all are Charedim!!!!!! What other obdervant Israelis do you know? I have never heard about non Charedim abstaining from using the TV and cell phones on Shabat!!!!
(Except for Karaites and Samaritans, but surely you don't like them)
What a stupid question!
Judea and Samaria are full of observant Jews. They are called 'Orthodox Zionists'. They are proper Jews who earn their living AND serve in the army, not parasites.
There are only 200 thousand Jews in Yesha and it's true, they are mostly Orthodox. But you cannot reject Charedim and call them "parasites". Most Charedim don't work simply because they don't fit in the mostly secular Israeli society.
What absolute garbage!!!!!!!
The Orthodox ALL work. There is NOWHERE (apart from adult book shops or non-kosher butchers) charedim cannot work. More are working now since the government cut back their welfare payments, so you're wrong.
A Jew is REQUIRED to work and support his family, so they are NOT fully observant.
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There are many jobs that Charedim could do, but not in current Israeli society. A Chredi cannot workd in a radio station, many shops and factories, since they still don't close for Shabat. I know many Chassidim here in Buenos Aires who work, but avoid listening to the radio, watching TV and even reading Goyishe newspapers and books.
Anyway, if you want to debate about Charedim, don't do it in a thread like this!!!!!!!!!!
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There are many jobs that Charedim could do, but not in current Israeli society. A Chredi cannot workd in a radio station, many shops and factories, since they still don't close for Shabat. I know many Chassidim here in Buenos Aires who work, but avoid listening to the radio, watching TV and even reading Goyishe newspapers and books.
Garbage!!!!!!!
They can work ANYWHERE Orthodox can work.....which is 90% of workplaces in Israel.
Man, you talk some crap!
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Charedi parties are the only who at least struggle to keep Israel Jewish. But if you dislike them, it's your problem. Just don't debate about them in a thread about prostitution!!!!!!!
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The majority of those parasites don't believe there should even be a sovereign Jewish State!!!!!!!!!
If they wanted to keep it Jewish why don't more than a tiny minority of them serve in the army?
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The majority of those parasites don't believe there should even be a sovereign Jewish State!!!!!!!!!
If they wanted to keep it Jewish why don't more than a tiny minority of them serve in the army?
Some Charedim serve in the Army. Those who don't have their reasons. Some because the armt is secular, others because IDF has trurned against Jews of Yesha, and others simply because they wait for the Moshiach to have a State (I don't agree with that idea, but they must be respected). The lesser I want is a Jewish internal struggle. Better care about the Arabs, and leave Charedim in peace.
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if you are jewish and you eat pork or bacon then you are going to have a bias against charedim. I am not sure if you were joking when you said something about you going to have your bacon sandwich.. But jews that eat pork or bacon are simply rebelling...
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The majority of those parasites don't believe there should even be a sovereign Jewish State!!!!!!!!!
If they wanted to keep it Jewish why don't more than a tiny minority of them serve in the army?
(1)Some Charedim serve in the Army. (2)Those who don't have their reasons. (3)Some because the armt is secular, others because IDF has trurned against Jews of Yesha, and (4)others simply because they wait for the Moshiach to have a State (I don't agree with that idea, but they must be respected). The lesser I want is a Jewish internal struggle. Better care about the Arabs, and leave Charedim in peace.
You are so full of shiite, Raul!!!!!!!!!
1/ A tiny minority serve in the army.
2/ The reasons are that they're parasites who refuse to do their share.
3/ There is a Charedi unit in the army supervised by a Charedi Rabbi. They'll have as many units as the need if more charedim join.The charedim don't give a rat's arse about the 'settlers' and they NEVER did. They refused to serve in the army since 1948...........50 years BEFORE the army turned against the settlers!!!!!!!
4/ No we must NOT respect FALSE theology. 1948 AND 1967 was PROOF.
WRONG on all counts as usual.
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Newman is a Ben Noah, and so allowed to eat pork. However I myself, even though a Gentile, feel aversion to pork and don't even touch it. But since Hallacha allows a Noahide to eat it, Newman is ok with that
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Newman is a Ben Noah, and so allowed to eat pork. However I myself, even though a Gentile, feel aversion to pork and don't even touch it. But since Hallacha allows a Noahide to eat it, Newman is ok with that
Most oppinion says we are allowed to eat pork. But the reason pigs are not kosher is the same as for dogs & cats. Pigs, dogs & cats have a keener sense of death than domestic sheep & cattle and cannot be killed without suffering great stress and torment. So I feel we shouldn't eat it though I weaken & eat bacon. :-[
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Newman is a Ben Noah, and so allowed to eat pork. However I myself, even though a Gentile, feel aversion to pork and don't even touch it. But since Hallacha allows a Noahide to eat it, Newman is ok with that
Raul the Gentile who preaches to Jews lovely ::)
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Newman is a Ben Noah, and so allowed to eat pork. However I myself, even though a Gentile, feel aversion to pork and don't even touch it. But since Hallacha allows a Noahide to eat it, Newman is ok with that
Most oppinion says we are allowed to eat pork. But the reason pigs are not kosher is the same as for dogs & cats. Pigs, dogs & cats have a keener sense of death than domestic sheep & cattle and cannot be killed without suffering great stress and torment. So I feel we shouldn't eat it though I weaken & eat bacon. :-[
Those reasons given for Kosher may be right in some sense. But honestly I find these attempts to find a rational explanation to Kosher Laws senselles. Many Jews want to rationalize everything because they are not brave enough to defend the idea that Torah is sometimes beyond human understanding. Sometimes, people want to give a reason, just to avoid being accused of blind faith. But the best way to keep Kosher is to openly declare " I believe that Torah was written by Hashem, and only He knows the reason".
If Kosher is ONLY to avoid animal suffering, then why insects are forbidden???
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:o you want to eat insects, hell he is Asian now too :::D
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Newman is a Ben Noah, and so allowed to eat pork. However I myself, even though a Gentile, feel aversion to pork and don't even touch it. But since Hallacha allows a Noahide to eat it, Newman is ok with that
Most oppinion says we are allowed to eat pork. But the reason pigs are not kosher is the same as for dogs & cats. Pigs, dogs & cats have a keener sense of death than domestic sheep & cattle and cannot be killed without suffering great stress and torment. So I feel we shouldn't eat it though I weaken & eat bacon. :-[
Those reasons given for Kosher may be right in some sense. But honestly I find these attempts to find a rational explanation to Kosher Laws senselles. Many Jews want to rationalize everything because they are not brave enough to defend the idea that Torah is sometimes beyond human understanding. Sometimes, people want to give a reason, just to avoid being accused of blind faith. But the best way to keep Kosher is to openly declare " I believe that Torah was written by Hashem, and only He knows the reason".
If Kosher is ONLY to avoid animal suffering, then why insects are forbidden???
I didn't say suffering was the ONLY reason for kosher laws, you retard!!
Stop reading things that aren't there. I said it was the reason as far as dogs, cats, pigs and other mammals were concerned. Insects I don't know about but some locusts are kosher. Yemenite Jews used to eat them.
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1- I don't preach to Jews. I only said, that even though I am allowed to eat pork, I feel aversion to it and don't even touch it.
2- I didn't say that I wanted to eat insects. I said that, since insects don't suffer so much when killed but are non-Kosher, then we must not limit the meaning of Kashrut to kindness to animals. Kashrut has a very deep reason that only Hashem knows.
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But the reason pigs are not kosher is the same as for dogs & cats. Pigs, dogs & cats have a keener sense of death than domestic sheep & cattle and cannot be killed without suffering great stress and torment.
You said "THE reason". You should have said " maybe ONE of the reasons"
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But the reason pigs are not kosher is the same as for dogs & cats. Pigs, dogs & cats have a keener sense of death than domestic sheep & cattle and cannot be killed without suffering great stress and torment.
You said "THE reason". You should have said " maybe ONE of the reasons"
Yes.!!!!!!!!!!!
I said THE reason for dogs, cats & pigs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT INSECTS, DUMMY!!!!!!!!!!
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But the reason pigs are not kosher is the same as for dogs & cats. Pigs, dogs & cats have a keener sense of death than domestic sheep & cattle and cannot be killed without suffering great stress and torment.
You said "THE reason". You should have said " maybe ONE of the reasons"
Yes.!!!!!!!!!!!
I said THE reason for dogs, cats & pigs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT INSECTS, DUMMY!!!!!!!!!!
But that's not the only reason even for pigs, cats and dogs. Torah says that those animals are impure after they have died. In the times of the Temple, if a Jew accidentally happened to touch them when dead, he had to go to the Mikveh.
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At least prostitutes earn a living (unlike the charedim!) and nobody's forcing the clients to go with them. No demand= no supply. Blame the men for the prostitute problem.
Actually both men and women are simply having sex for pleasure. The women gain pleasure from the money they "earn" while the men obtain pleasure more directly. So really both are equally to blame!
Prostitutes do it as a job, its not pleasure to them. I know many that work in brothels, many are very nice women.
The sex prostitutes have may not be pleasurable (in which case, why be a prostitute?) but the money they "earn" does bring pleasure!
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Newman, I do not care either for what you are writing about the Haredim. You've turned them into monsters. Since you want to recommend books to us, I encourage you to read the book Real Jews by Noah Efran. It will explain to you correctly the schism that exists between the ultra-orthadox and the secular, and dispell the common myths about Haredim as "parasites" and other nice words. This book is written by a secular scholar and offers a balanced perspective. And just so you know, the Haredim are keeping the Jewish population up. Their birthrate is even higher than the settler pioneers and if it were not for BOTH of the groups, Israel would be swallowed up by the Arabs a lot faster, G-d forbid.
I have done no such thing. It all started with a simple remark about the majority not working (and please don't bother to deny it). This idiot Raul is blowing it out of proportion.
By the way.....I'm not Robinson Crusoe as far as Charedi bagging goes on this forum!
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BTW,
Go tell the mother of the baby that was killed when the rock they threw through the car window one sabbath that they're not monsters.
They are welfare bludging, draft dodging parasites!!!!
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The sex prostitutes have may not be pleasurable (in which case, why be a prostitute?) but the money they "earn" does bring pleasure!
When was work ever pleasure?
They do it because they can't do anything else. And when you earn $1500 a week its hard for them to take up another job isn't it. ::)
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Newman, I do not care either for what you are writing about the Haredim. You've turned them into monsters. Since you want to recommend books to us, I encourage you to read the book Real Jews by Noah Efran. It will explain to you correctly the schism that exists between the ultra-orthadox and the secular, and dispell the common myths about Haredim as "parasites" and other nice words. This book is written by a secular scholar and offers a balanced perspective. And just so you know, the Haredim are keeping the Jewish population up. Their birthrate is even higher than the settler pioneers and if it were not for BOTH of the groups, Israel would be swallowed up by the Arabs a lot faster, G-d forbid.
I have done no such thing. It all started with a simple remark about the majority not working (and please don't bother to deny it). This idiot Raul is blowing it out of proportion.
By the way.....I'm not Robinson Crusoe as far as Caredi bagging goes on this forum!
The problem was that you made that silly remark in a thread about prostitution. You said "Prostitutes at least work, unlike Charedim". I said it was a hurting insult to Charedim, and you should have apologised, but continued the debate bashing Charedim. It was your fault, not mine!!!!!!!
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Newman, I do not care either for what you are writing about the Haredim. You've turned them into monsters. Since you want to recommend books to us, I encourage you to read the book Real Jews by Noah Efran. It will explain to you correctly the schism that exists between the ultra-orthadox and the secular, and dispell the common myths about Haredim as "parasites" and other nice words. This book is written by a secular scholar and offers a balanced perspective. And just so you know, the Haredim are keeping the Jewish population up. Their birthrate is even higher than the settler pioneers and if it were not for BOTH of the groups, Israel would be swallowed up by the Arabs a lot faster, G-d forbid.
I have done no such thing. It all started with a simple remark about the majority not working (and please don't bother to deny it). This idiot Raul is blowing it out of proportion.
By the way.....I'm not Robinson Crusoe as far as Caredi bagging goes on this forum!
The problem was that you made that silly remark in a thread about prostitution. You said "Prostitutes at least work, unlike Charedim". I said it was a hurting insult to Charedim, and you should have apologised, but continued the debate bashing Charedim. It was your fault, not mine!!!!!!!
I pointed out that they don't work! It's a fact, not an insult!!!!!!!!!!!!
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1- I don't preach to Jews. I only said, that even though I am allowed to eat pork, I feel aversion to it and don't even touch it.
2- I didn't say that I wanted to eat insects. I said that, since insects don't suffer so much when killed but are non-Kosher, then we must not limit the meaning of Kashrut to kindness to animals. Kashrut has a very deep reason that only Hashem knows.
1. you are always preaching
2. How do you know the insect can't feel pain?
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I pointed out that they don't work! It's a fact, not an insult!!!!!!!!!!!!
That remark WAS an insult, because the thread was about prostitution, not about Charedim.
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I pointed out that they don't work! It's a fact, not an insult!!!!!!!!!!!!
That remark WAS an insult, because the thread was about prostitution, not about Charedim.
Not logical in the least.
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I pointed out that they don't work! It's a fact, not an insult!!!!!!!!!!!!
That remark WAS an insult, because the thread was about prostitution, not about Charedim.
Not logical in the least.
If you had really wanted to discuss about Charedim, you could started a thread about them ( except for the fact that you are a Goy and shouldn't get involved in Jewish internal issues). But it's quite obvious that a remark about them in this thread is an offense!!!! Any Charedi would feel that you are implying that prostitution is better than being a Charedi. You clearly said: "At least prostitutes work"
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The sex prostitutes have may not be pleasurable (in which case, why be a prostitute?) but the money they "earn" does bring pleasure!
When was work ever pleasure?
They do it because they can't do anything else. And when you earn $1500 a week its hard for them to take up another job isn't it. ::)
Work isn't pleasure; however work makes life--and the pleasures we have during our lives--possible!
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BTW,
Go tell the mother of the baby that was killed when the rock they threw through the car window one sabbath that they're not monsters.
They are welfare bludging, draft dodging parasites!!!!
I've never heard a story like that. Again, you have made them out to be monsters.
Since you are not going to read the book, perhaps at least you can read the article below by Arutz Sheva.
Sweet Anti-Semitism
by Emanuel A. Winston
Haredim pay more and get less. They subsidize the Israeli secular sector.
A favorite anti-Semitic canard, sprinkled liberally throughout the millennia, revolves around the favorite theme that "the Jews have taken our money." How an oppressed minority managed to do such a thing does not seem to be bound by rules of reason nor logic - but it was often used as an excuse to begin another bloody pogrom.
In the modern country of Israel, many seek to jettison any remaining trace of Jewish identity, at least the kind that we have been using for the past 3,000 years, and to try to become just like everyone else in the world. Often this "makeover" includes embracing anti-Semitic propaganda as their very own. Accordingly, we see frequent articles that try to "blame the victims" for their poverty. A favorite ploy is to blame the results of cruel economic policies on their favorite scapegoat - the Haredim.
Remarkably, just as in medieval Europe, it is the Haredim who are actually robbed of a disproportionate share of their income. That's right. The secular are parasites. We are not referring to the fact that the Haredim produce, how shall we put it, the spiritual energy force that gives us our very existence through their learning of Torah and the performing of mitzvahs; we are talking about straight cash. Haredim pay more and get less. They subsidize the Israeli secular sector.
If you would care to examine the education budget, for example, this disproportion comes to the fore. If you really want equality, then how about instituting a voucher system - in which every child receives the same amount of funding - without the hidden billions that the secular educational system receives via "special allocations"?
The Haredim must also scramble to build their schools, often operating for years out of trailer caravans. Since everyone wants to be so fair and liberal, how about paying the Haredim back for every school and classroom for which they have had to go collecting?
Taxes? The Haredim pay the sales tax, or VAT, just like everyone else. The upper tax percentiles, which carry the bulk of the tax burden, have a disproportionate amount of wealthy Haredim who have taken up residence in Israel - as opposed to in Switzerland or Paris.
True, there are some 30,000 who learn in kollel (advanced Jewish studies) and who don't have conventional employment. There are also over 300,000 drug addicts who take their toll on Israeli society, and the prisons are bursting at the seams. Which groups cost more to support?
In fact, the Haredim produce a large net inflow of funds into Israel. They send their children here to learn and donate generously to keep the educational institutions afloat. They also comprise an inordinately large share of Jewish tourism. Even from a purely financial perspective, more people learning in yeshivas and kollel produce more economic prosperity in Israel.
There are even programs to train Haredim who wish to enter the workforce, but what jobs will be offered to them? With some 270,000 unemployed in Israel, where shall they work?
If we all wish to consider ourselves fair-minded, then we should try to view the Haredi world in a more open, honest and friendly light.
Eve Harrow (Yesha council Rep' and Arutz 7 presenter) related the tale about the baby.
That article is hair splitting baloney!
They have not made a single, valid mathematically sound argument.
Why didn't they tally up Haredi welfare costs against the supposed contributions in $ terms?
Fact:
About two thirds of Haredim don't work, don't pay income tax, health isurance and over 90% dodge the draft (not even 90% of leftists dodge the draft). You can't get around it.
"They pay sales tax". Big deal! So does every Israeli but they pay income taxes too (or look for work when they're not).
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The sex prostitutes have may not be pleasurable (in which case, why be a prostitute?) but the money they "earn" does bring pleasure!
When was work ever pleasure?
They do it because they can't do anything else. And when you earn $1500 a week its hard for them to take up another job isn't it. ::)
Work isn't pleasure; however work makes life--and the pleasures we have during our lives--possible!
Thats the same faulted logic men use all the time. Rather than just seeing you can't mix business with pleasure.
Work only is for the government to collect more taxes, and us the workers to stay busy for 8 hours a day.
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What's the difference between a prostitute and the female account executive at a big advertising firm who wines, dines and sleeps with clients to get the big accounts in return for a big salary and bonuses?
Nothing, that's what.
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What's the difference between a prostitute and the female account executive at a big advertising firm who wines, dines and sleeps with clients to get the big accounts in return for a big salary and bonuses?
Nothing, that's what.
Got that right.
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What's the difference between a prostitute and the female account executive at a big advertising firm who wines, dines and sleeps with clients to get the big accounts in return for a big salary and bonuses?
Nothing, that's what.
As I say all along prostitutes wear all sorts of different clothes, never be fool by clothing.
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BTW,
Go tell the mother of the baby that was killed when the rock they threw through the car window one sabbath that they're not monsters.
They are welfare bludging, draft dodging parasites!!!!
I've never heard a story like that. Again, you have made them out to be monsters.
Since you are not going to read the book, perhaps at least you can read the article below by Arutz Sheva.
Sweet Anti-Semitism
by Emanuel A. Winston
Haredim pay more and get less. They subsidize the Israeli secular sector.
A favorite anti-Semitic canard, sprinkled liberally throughout the millennia, revolves around the favorite theme that "the Jews have taken our money." How an oppressed minority managed to do such a thing does not seem to be bound by rules of reason nor logic - but it was often used as an excuse to begin another bloody pogrom.
In the modern country of Israel, many seek to jettison any remaining trace of Jewish identity, at least the kind that we have been using for the past 3,000 years, and to try to become just like everyone else in the world. Often this "makeover" includes embracing anti-Semitic propaganda as their very own. Accordingly, we see frequent articles that try to "blame the victims" for their poverty. A favorite ploy is to blame the results of cruel economic policies on their favorite scapegoat - the Haredim.
Remarkably, just as in medieval Europe, it is the Haredim who are actually robbed of a disproportionate share of their income. That's right. The secular are parasites. We are not referring to the fact that the Haredim produce, how shall we put it, the spiritual energy force that gives us our very existence through their learning of Torah and the performing of mitzvahs; we are talking about straight cash. Haredim pay more and get less. They subsidize the Israeli secular sector.
If you would care to examine the education budget, for example, this disproportion comes to the fore. If you really want equality, then how about instituting a voucher system - in which every child receives the same amount of funding - without the hidden billions that the secular educational system receives via "special allocations"?
The Haredim must also scramble to build their schools, often operating for years out of trailer caravans. Since everyone wants to be so fair and liberal, how about paying the Haredim back for every school and classroom for which they have had to go collecting?
Taxes? The Haredim pay the sales tax, or VAT, just like everyone else. The upper tax percentiles, which carry the bulk of the tax burden, have a disproportionate amount of wealthy Haredim who have taken up residence in Israel - as opposed to in Switzerland or Paris.
True, there are some 30,000 who learn in kollel (advanced Jewish studies) and who don't have conventional employment. There are also over 300,000 drug addicts who take their toll on Israeli society, and the prisons are bursting at the seams. Which groups cost more to support?
In fact, the Haredim produce a large net inflow of funds into Israel. They send their children here to learn and donate generously to keep the educational institutions afloat. They also comprise an inordinately large share of Jewish tourism. Even from a purely financial perspective, more people learning in yeshivas and kollel produce more economic prosperity in Israel.
There are even programs to train Haredim who wish to enter the workforce, but what jobs will be offered to them? With some 270,000 unemployed in Israel, where shall they work?
If we all wish to consider ourselves fair-minded, then we should try to view the Haredi world in a more open, honest and friendly light.
Eve Harrow (Yesha council Rep' and Arutz 7 presenter) related the tale about the baby.
That article is hair splitting baloney!
They have not made a single, valid mathematically sound argument.
Why didn't they tally up Haredi welfare costs against the supposed contributions in $ terms?
Fact:
About two thirds of Haredim don't work, don't pay income tax, health isurance and over 90% dodge the draft (not even 90% of leftists dodge the draft). You can't get around it.
"They pay sales tax". Big deal! So does every Israeli but they pay income taxes too (or look for work when they're not).
I gave you that article because it's the only one I remembered off my head. It's not worth arguing statistics with you, and I've already recommended a book for you to read. You have closed your mind off to a large group of people, many which have included the greatest Rabbis of our generation, including the ones that taught Rabbi Kahane (by the way, his son also sits and learns all day). I'm finished and tired trying to defend against your bigotry, and your zealous hate for Haredim. The Haredim have their problems, of course, and so does every religious and social group living in Israel. You're not dealing with Muslims or illegal Mexicans here; please moderate your tone in discussing the people you are presently maligning. You sound like my secular uncle. What more can I say to you? You are only going to get more viscious against them with every argument I use.
To the contrary...........
I actually started the thread about the Haredi IDF unit and reminded everybody not to condemn ALL of them. I've also made other posts reminding some of the Haredi-haters that they do good vollunteer work picking up body parts after suicide bombings.
But if somebody is going to make them into sacred cows that 'can't be criticised' I'm going to tell a few home truths.
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The bottom line the G-D d... moslem had no right to kill the woman he deserves to be castrated and be left to bleed to death