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General Category => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: dibblah on January 09, 2008, 08:21:42 PM
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Warm greetings to the JTF and supporters!
I got the link to the Live leak JTF posts via a post recommending it on the British National Party website.
I'm really impressed with the overall JTF message and the coherence and conviction of it that is conveyed in the video presentations. -Great job David and Chaim! I'm really pleased that there actually is a JTF, as the Jews are obviously the first and most focused target of the Muslim Jihad.
I strongly recommend a look at the BNP website- the JTF and BNP are exactly on the same message: [www.bnp.org.uk]
Just a bit about who the BNP are to formaly counter the liberal conspiracy peddled out time and again against us: The British National Party seeks to preserve and protect the the indigenous British peoples (English, Irish, Scots and Welsh) and to maintain the Christian Judaic tradition of its people.
The BNP has been constantly labelled by the lib/lab/con politicians and media liberal conspiracy in the UK as racist and with Nazi undertones, but nothing could be further from the truth. They do this to try and silence the silent majority as they know the real truth and are so scared that the British people may start to see them for who they actually are and what their real gameplan is. The BNP are generating a growing groundswell of support in the UK. In many key local area elections and regional assemblies and they are sometimes winning 20-30% of the vote.
The actual truth is the BNP don't want Britain ruled by Sharia law and by muslims (who as we know are the Nazis) and they don't want indigenous Britains to be a minority group in their own land. Every year 100,000's of Muslims and also 3rd world economic migrants enter the UK (mostly illeagly). Nothing is being done to stem this tide and the British are literally being "bred" and invaded by Muslims into a minority in their own land.
The fact is that (estimated at current trends only) this will happen by 2040-50. Once this happens its all over folks; England will be re-named Englandistan and all hope of winning our country back from the Jihadist invasion will be crushed.- The BNP is striving to try and prevent this.
Also to toss into the media/liberal baloney bin for all time that the BNP are fascists, Nazi's and racists, they encourage Jewish membership and have democratically elected Jewish councilors in public office representing the party. The BNP recognizes the fundamental Judaic and Christian tradition of Britain and seeks to sustain it against the global Muslim threat. Additionally, the BNP also hugely supports Israel in its struggle to exist after having suffered so much to regain what is rightfully and historically theirs' and in being surrounded by so many hostile muslim neighbours who want to "wipe Israel off the map".
Thank you guys for highlighting the doctors bomb plot in the UK. This demonstrates (along with the 7/7 bombings in London) more than anything that the British people have "citizens" who are a real 5th column in their midst. They are decieiving people that they are respectable and moderate yet as Chaim quite rightly states, that this is a thin disguise that soons drops away when you scratch the surface.
Unlike the US, the UK has a much higher proportion of Muslims in their population. However, exactly like the US our media and politicians are bending over backwards to hoodwink the public and appease muslims and give-in to every demand however unreasonable or contrary to the wishes of the indigenous people.
As an example, muslims are now demanding that the call-to-prayer be broadcast over loud speakers from every mosque in the UK. Oxford is line to be one of the first. The glittering spires that were once home to Einstein and Newton will soon wake up to an Iman blasting out Arabic Islamic claptrap several times a day -My G-d what a disgrace! Also in nearly every UK city there is a no-go area run by Muslims where anyone non-Muslim risks vicious assult if seen. They have even put up signs in public parks stating that they are for Muslims only. -What hutzpah!
Finally I was saddened to hear that Bush has today given Turkey a "golden endorsement" in it's attempt to join the EU. Do we really want another 100 million potential jihadist muslims in Europe, bleeding our coffers dry in dragging them up to our standard of living? They'll all have equal rights (and often more) than everyone else and at the same time giving the existing muslims a huge boost in their mission for the Islamification of Europe. -Please highlight this threat if you can!
All credit to the JTF-this is an excellent organization with the conviction and courage to stand up to all those who would allow these nazi Muslims to take us over and win their global Jihad.-Please keep up the great work. You have many kindred spirits in the UK!
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welcome! :)
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Welcome we have another BNP supporter here. ;)
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Hello,
Thank you for your question. It is a very sad fact that if a Jew were to walk with any open sign of their religion in a Muslim area in the UK it would be a matter of minutes until they were either severely harassed or physically attacked. Please bear in mind that there is a large Muslim area in every major UK city. In Blackburn and Oldham and several other northern cities whites are now in the minority and Muslims control the local councils. Even in Birmingham, Britain's 2nd city, there are 40-45% non-whites and Muslims enforcing their will on the indigenous population.
This situation is an anathema to most indigenous British people as we have historically always been a country of tolerance and understanding to all races and religions. The Muslims are using our hard fought for and hard defended principles against us and taking huge advantage of the British goodwill and tolerance.
There has been a large rise in the desecration of Jewish graves and graffiti and vandalism against synagogues. It is almost like a mirror of the Nazi Germany campaign- (although in fairness we are nowhere near that level yet.)
Nevertheless it is still there and it cuts deep with British people because it is in living memory that a million of us died to defeat Nazism and stood alone for 3 years against this horror. The Brits see this anti-semitism and recoil in disgust. Thank God that this is still the majority view in the UK.
In Jewish ares such as Golders Green in north London, Jews can generally live and worship in peace;- Muslims wouldn't dare try to antagonise in these areas. However the low-level, day-to-day atmosphere of hate towards the Jews is becoming more prelevent. The media will only usually cover race-hate attacks if it is white/Jew/Christian against any Muslim or non-white. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of racist crime is carried out by non-europeans and Muslims against the British people. This lack of objective reporting (that we are compulsory demanded to fund) is the real crime as it masks the true nature of the threat we are all facing.
God Bless.
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WELCOME BROTHER O0 O0
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Thank you Ambiorix! ;)
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I have contacts with BNP.
But live in Flanders.
I hope BNP can get more votes. What % they have now?
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Hi,
That's a difficult one to quantify as we have an archaic means of electoral procedure. What we should have is proportional represenataion, the fairest means of assessing votes for any given MP's area. At present the Labour party are empoloying illegal and sharp practises to secure votes buy targeting the old and poor and knocking on doors to offer to "help" for them to complete their postal election forms.
Needless to say many labour candidates in Muslim areas are Muslim and they are currupting the election process. Legislation in the 19th century was introduced to combat this but it seems we are now slipping back to a corrupt voting process (that is in theory but not in practice) endorsed by the rule of law. The postal vote system is a scam and is being manipulated by muslim networks to secure block voting of labour candidates (Blair, Brown's party et.al).
On the bright side we are gaining huge ground, particularly in local elections. There are now many BNP councilors all over the counrty and these numbers keep growing. The establishment parties are very scared that we may win 2-3 seats on the London mayor assembly. This would mean that the BNP would have a deciding vote on many key issues facing the capital.
The JTF would be a great ally for us to help secure the Jewish vote particularly in London. We are reaching out to you, I hope you can assist us as we have exactly the same political and ideological goals.
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Hi,
That's a difficult one to quantify as we have an archaic means of electoral procedure. What we should have is proportional represenataion, the fairest means of assessing votes for any given MP's area. At present the Labour party are empoloying illegal and sharp practises to secure votes buy targeting the old and poor and knocking on doors to offer to "help" for them to complete their postal election forms.
Needless to say many labour candidates in Muslim areas are Muslim and they are currupting the election process. Legislation in the 19th century was introduced to combat this but it seems we are now slipping back to a corrupt voting process (that is in theory but not in practice) endorsed by the rule of law. The postal vote system is a scam and is being manipulated by muslim networks to secure block voting of labour candidates (Blair, Brown's party et.al).
On the bright side we are gaining huge ground, particularly in local elections. There are now many BNP councilors all over the counrty and these numbers keep growing. The establishment parties are very scared that we may win 2-3 seats on the London mayor assembly. This would mean that the BNP would have a deciding vote on many key issues facing the capital.
The JTF would be a great ally for us to help secure the Jewish vote particularly in London. We are reaching out to you, I hope you can assist us as we have exactly the same political and ideological goals.
When I joined JTF, Yacov had concerns with my support for BNP.
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Hi Ambirorix,
What were Jacov's concerns? If you or he have any now please visit our website www.bnp.org.uk and hook up with Nick Griffin our chairman. This guy is an honest patriot and an Oxford University educated Lawyer. Read for yourself -decide for yourself.
As previously mentioned the BNP encourage Jewish membership and seek to honour and defend the Christian Judaic tradition that was there in the UK way before America had one.
You, us and them know what time it is... We have to unite with our brothers worldwide and defeat this threat so that we wont have our grandchildren wonder why the hell we did nothing!
God Bless
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Hi Ambirorix,
What were Jacov's concerns? If you or he have any now please visit our website www.bnp.org.uk and hook up with Nick Griffin our chairman. This guy is an honest patriot and an Oxford University educated Lawyer. Read for yourself -decide for yourself.
As previously mentioned the BNP encourage Jewish membership and seek to honour and defend the Christian Judaic tradition that was there in the UK way before America had one.
You, us and them know what time it is... We have to unite with our brothers worldwide and defeat this threat so that we wont have our grandchildren wonder why the hell we did nothing!
G-d Bless
He didn't thrust the party, they had anti-semites in the past.
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In the 70's and 80's there were extreme elements that tried to hijack the party. These wre Nazi thugs and scum. This is why the media today feels they have a axe to grind against us. This sick ideology couldn't be further from the truth of who we are and what we stand for.
I am not going to deny it;- Some of these fringe people and their views were anti-semitic. All of these people- (like 20 years ago) have been expelled from the party. I can tell you now as a BNP activist that if any of these sentiments were even simmering below the surface, I would run a mile from the Party and denounce them at every occassion. The British are a North Atlantic people with a Christian Judaic tradition and I will be prepared to die defending that. The same as my father and grand father did before me.
I think you have to look at this attempt by the Nazis at this time as symptomatic of the extremes that were pushing for recognition. Any Right wing party at the time was subject to hijack by any extreme right wing movement going. As the new media age has progressed this confusion and anti-message clap-trap can be flicked out as soon as it rears its ugly head.
Read the web-site and decide for youself. We are actually (even in this cynical world) 100% genuine. Take it or leave it.
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In the 70's and 80's there were extreme elements that tried to hijack the party. These wre Nazi thugs and scum. This is why the media today feels they have a axe to grind against us. This sick ideology couldn't be further from the truth of who we are and what we stand for.
I am not going to deny it;- Some of these fringe people and their views were anti-semitic. All of these people- (like 20 years ago) have been expelled from the party. I can tell you now as a BNP activist that if any of these sentiments were even simmering below the surface, I would run a mile from the Party and denounce them at every occassion. The British are a North Atlantic people with a Christian Judaic tradition and I will be prepared to die defending that. The same as my father and grand father did before me.
I think you have to look at this attempt by the Nazis at this time as symptomatic of the extremes that were pushing for recognition. Any Right wing party at the time was subject to hijack by any extreme right wing movement going. As the new media age has progressed this confusion and anti-message clap-trap can be flicked out as soon as it rears its ugly head.
Read the web-site and decide for youself. We are actually (even in this cynical world) 100% genuine. Take it or leave it.
I have been reading the website daily since one year.
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And your point is?
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And your point is?
i offer them my services for bnptv
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Reference my last:
"Also to toss into the media/liberal baloney bin for all time that the BNP are fascists, Nazi's and racists, they encourage Jewish membership and have democratically elected Jewish councilors in public office representing the party. The BNP recognizes the fundamental Judaic and Christian tradition of Britain and seeks to sustain it against the global Muslim threat. Additionally, the BNP also hugely supports Israel in its struggle to exist after having suffered so much to regain what is rightfully and historically theirs' and in being surrounded by so many hostile muslim neighbours who want to "wipe Israel off the map".
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Reference my last:
"Also to toss into the media/liberal baloney bin for all time that the BNP are fascists, Nazi's and racists, they encourage Jewish membership and have democratically elected Jewish councilors in public office representing the party. The BNP recognizes the fundamental Judaic and Christian tradition of Britain and seeks to sustain it against the global Muslim threat. Additionally, the BNP also hugely supports Israel in its struggle to exist after having suffered so much to regain what is rightfully and historically theirs' and in being surrounded by so many hostile muslim neighbours who want to "wipe Israel off the map".
Do you visit their meetings?
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We have regional meetings and Oh yes I have attended.
Please be advised that if you were in the JFT in the Uk you would not be allowed to work for the government as a member of the armed forces, the civil service, police, firemen, nurses and doctors, homeland security et.al. Many people who have joined the BNP have been fired or removed by the lib/lab/con political appeasers. This is a crime in itself, -If you can lay your life on the line in service to your country, why cant you be a member of a party that seeks to promote the interests and integrity of your county?
-This is why their balloney is such a scam.
I served in the British Army for 4 years in total before and during the first Gulf War. It shames me to think that my colleagues who are still serving cannot defect from the lib/lab/con conspiracy and join the BNP without risk of loosing their jobs.
You can be greatful that you live in America where the chances of this type of legislation ever coming into force for veterans is minimal.
Again and always,
God Bless.
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We have regional meetings and Oh yes I have attended.
Please be advised that if you were in the JFT in the Uk you would not be allowed to work for the government as a member of the armed forces, the civil service, police, firemen, nurses and doctors, homeland security et.al. Many people who have joined the BNP have been fired or removed by the lib/lab/con political appeasers. This is a crime in itself, -If you can lay your life on the line in service to your country, why cant you be a member of a party that seeks to promote the interests and integrity of your county?
-This is why their balloney is such a scam.
I served in the British Army for 4 years in total before and during the first Gulf War. It shames me to think that my colleagues who are still serving cannot defect from the lib/lab/con conspiracy and join the BNP without risk of loosing their jobs.
You can be greatful that you live in America where the chances of this type of legislation ever coming into force for veterans is minimal.
Again and always,
G-d Bless.
I live in Flanders, approx. 250 km from London.
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Welcome to the board.
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O0
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Welcome.
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Welcome Aboard!
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I dont like the BNP. I remember them being a Nazi Party.
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Welcome :)
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Hi All,
Thank you so much for the warm and strong welcome to the JTF!
I fully realise it is a struggle to unite and bury ancient differences between the Judaic and Christian esatablishments. We must realise that fundamentaly we are all from the same blood; Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham and Solomon.
For all those of you who would question the BNP manefesto: It is there for you to read. We are in desperate need of a resurrgance in the protection of our homeland, just as the Jews are in need of the protection of theirs; Israel.
This is a simplistic view, but nevertheless TRUE. It may be worth considering that we should build on the common bonds that join us together, rather than the semantics that divide us. We have to build on these strengths and develop them in trust and unity.
Christianity and Judaism are peaceful religions. God does not tell us to aggressively assert our "right", authority and beliefs on anyone else. This is the fundamental difference between "us" and Islam.
I would encourage any real historical delvers to look into the history of the Templars, or Holy Knights that renounced all worldly possesions and titles and fought for 300 years to protect Jerusalem. The real truth of this order is that their original mission was that they were to secretly fight, dig and die to find and save the Ark of the Covenant from underneath the Temple Mount.
This (by all accounts) they actually managed to achieve. The great mystery is where these Knights finally hid the Ark. The "Families" (in this case the Normans and Franks; decendants from the original Jerusalem exiles of the Roman purges) had for 10 centuries manged to keep this secret and holy undertaking alive; preserving the order by blood and oaths and from generation to generation and within a strict elite.
Only those sons who had demonstrated complete integrity and who were knights from the original "families" were selected and initiated to join the order. Breaking the truths of the order was punishable by death. Their Order preseved an agnostic view on the Christ as the son of God and had to keep this hidden from the Papacy of the time, or risk excomunication, torture and death.
The real Truth of the Templar Christain order is that they did not believe in the Christ as the son of God; but that he and his brother were prophets and possibly angels sent by God. Many scriptures and testimonies from that time point to St. Paul (the father of the new testament) as an opportunist and clever manueverer in the political backdrop of that time. - (This could be completely incorrect; I am just relating the authors' view)
As a lightwieght introduction to this theme for those that would like to know more, I would recommend reading: "Knights of the Black and White" by Jack Whyte. This should be strongly recommended reading for all Jews and Christians. Anymore study on this subject will require your own initiative!
However above and beyond all else we all know that the global Muslim threat is the biggest danger to all of us wherever we are in the western world; our world.
This religion is cowardly in that it relies on subversion and Takiyah (deception) to extend its' control over non-muslims. It will never come out and fight openly against us unless it thinks it has massive superior numbers in its favour.
You can see this today in the way male Muslims gang-up against non-muslims in the UK; from the playground of schools to the street, they rely on huge overwhelming numbers to win.
-Know your enemy and unite with kindred. This is the only way we will have a chance in hell of winning this war.
God Bless.
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Hi dibblah, :)
I second everything that you say. I am English, married with two children, boy and girl and am extremely worried for their future. I also am a member of the BNP and work for the party in order get the BNP elected.
I am pro Israel but I am not Jewish. We must work together to fight against the subjugation of us all by the muslim hoards.
I will be standing for election at the next local council elections. I ask any member of JTF who live in or near Kent, UK to contact me if they have any worries about the BNP's position re Israel. Yes there were anti-Semites in the BNP but today the BNP is NOT anti-Semite.
We must talk together in order to fully understand each other. As I see it the BNP and JTF are very much on the same wavelength. Together we can and will defeat muSSie terrorism. A better future for the British, The Israeli's and my children. 8;)
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Hey Tavor IMI,
It's great to hear from a fellow BNP member. I was referrred to the JTF by a link from the BNP website, I spent hours of reserach in establishing that both our causes are fundamentally joined as one.
These guys think on exactly the same lines as us and appreciate righteous gentile support for the war against Islam. My hope is that one day they will appreciate ours!
All the best of British luck to you my friend in the forthcoming elections. Respect to you for putting your head above the parrapet.- God bless.-Lets send these muslim nutters back to where they came from!
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"The BNP, its former leaders and present leader, Nick Griffin, have promoted anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial or revisionism in the past. In 1996 writing in his own publication The Rune Griffin stated that: "I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."[50] The following year, during a Cook Report documentary he stated: "There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But this nonsense about gas chambers is exposed as a total lie"
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That's true Dexter but like you sad it was in past, maybe M Griffin or Gerd Wilders are not G-dly people but they're best we can get, they're anti islamic and pro Israeli and in absence of US style Evangelic Zionists it's best you can got from Europe they're like European neocorservatives ;). I say they're kosher enough and more sincere than mayority of suposedly pro Israeli American Republican Party.
Welcome Dibblah.
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I will never trust people who were (and probably are today!!) antisemitic!!
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Don't be fooled by the BNP!
It is a neo-Nazi organization founded by the Holocaust denier Nick Griffin. They are no longer public about their Nazism because they finally realized that doing so would never get them any votes. All these BNP supporters are coming on here to try and gain our support to be able to help them back their claims that they have changed. But they have not.
Kahane would have been in favor of cracking the skulls of the BNP not supporting them!!!
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In my country, Flanders, the Vlaams Belang, has 25 % of the votes, and
is being blocked by a coalition of all other parties together.
VB is the biggest party here.
That has zero% to do with anti-semitism.
It is all about stopping and immigration, and deporting illegals back.
It is about the fight against Islam, and hostile non-European welfare-exploiters, that need to be kicked out.
VB is the only openly pro-Israel party here.
All other parties, are "pro-peace" or just opnly for the fakesinians.
Parties that are/were anti-semitic, now , are realising Israel is having the same fate, as the rest of us.
That's why they turn away from nazism.
Besides, what is wrong about "racism"?!
that's the new code-word like "heritic" to prevent a real debate about our future , our sovereignty,
It has been far too long, that Europe had guilt-feelings, towards the turd world , and the two world wars.
This guilt feeling is now enabeling the muslims , the new nazis, the biggest anti-semites , to take control here,
by a ethnic/religious civil war.
In case you want to save Israel and the Western World, you must trust these "ex-nazis"
At this moment , ALL other parties, are supporting the destruction of Israel and Europe, and trying to make it into
a Eurabian State.
What do you think that will happen in 2100 if we allow the muslims to breed here at the rate they do now??
By 2050, they start WWIII, and than WE"RE ALL GONE.
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In my country, Flanders, the Vlaams Belang, has 25 % of the votes, and
is being blocked by a coalition of all other parties together.
VB is the biggest party here.
That has zero% to do with anti-semitism.
It is all about stopping and immigration, and deporting illegals back.
It is about the fight against Islam, and hostile non-European welfare-exploiters, that need to be kicked out.
VB is the only openly pro-Israel party here.
All other parties, are "pro-peace" or just opnly for the fakesinians.
Parties that are/were anti-semitic, now , are realising Israel is having the same fate, as the rest of us.
That's why they turn away from nazism.
Besides, what is wrong about "racism"?!
that's the new code-word like "heritic" to prevent a real debate about our future , our sovereignty,
It has been far too long, that Europe had guilt-feelings, towards the turd world , and the two world wars.
This guilt feeling is now enabeling the muslims , the new nazis, the biggest anti-semites , to take control here,
by a ethnic/religious civil war.
In case you want to save Israel and the Western World, you must trust these "ex-nazis"
At this moment , ALL other parties, are supporting the destruction of Israel and Europe, and trying to make it into
a Eurabian State.
What do you think that will happen in 2100 if we allow the muslims to breed here at the rate they do now??
By 2050, they start WWIII, and than WE"RE ALL GONE.
I am stating that European guilt about the Holocaust, and the pogroms , is being used by the muslims, to overthrow us.
They pretend THEY are the NEW JEWS,
While in fact CHRISTIANS, BUDDHISTS and JEWS are the (NEW) JEWS ;
AND the MUSLIMS the NEW NAZIS !!
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You make good points Ambroix, I too think that they're our only and last chance especialy now when we can no longer trust the USA to lead the hmm... "free world" (I' still trust in G-d alone but He uses men; sometimes not saintly ones to do HIS will)
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Listen, nobody is able to prove, that these parties aren't hidden nazi-parties.
BUT:
they are mobilising to get the moslims out.
That is a shared interest with Israel.
I am glad, that I, as a Nationalist, am here on this Jewish forum, and see, that the magnificent right-wing Kahanist JTF-Jews,
are as detemined to be loyal, brave defenders of our Western nations then we want to be.
The state of Israel has to become a right -wing governed state, so that at least, we have 1 government, to start the rebellion and the war against Nazism , and Islam.
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In my country, Flanders, the Vlaams Belang, has 25 % of the votes, and
is being blocked by a coalition of all other parties together.
VB is the biggest party here.
That has zero% to do with anti-semitism.
It is all about stopping and immigration, and deporting illegals back.
It is about the fight against Islam, and hostile non-European welfare-exploiters, that need to be kicked out.
VB is the only openly pro-Israel party here.
All other parties, are "pro-peace" or just opnly for the fakesinians.
Parties that are/were anti-semitic, now , are realising Israel is having the same fate, as the rest of us.
That's why they turn away from nazism.
Besides, what is wrong about "racism"?!
that's the new code-word like "heritic" to prevent a real debate about our future , our sovereignty,
It has been far too long, that Europe had guilt-feelings, towards the turd world , and the two world wars.
This guilt feeling is now enabeling the muslims , the new nazis, the biggest anti-semites , to take control here,
by a ethnic/religious civil war.
In case you want to save Israel and the Western World, you must trust these "ex-nazis"
At this moment , ALL other parties, are supporting the destruction of Israel and Europe, and trying to make it into
a Eurabian State.
What do you think that will happen in 2100 if we allow the muslims to breed here at the rate they do now??
By 2050, they start WWIII, and than WE"RE ALL GONE.
I am stating that European guilt about the Holocaust, and the pogroms , is being used by the muslims, to overthrow us.
They pretend THEY are the NEW JEWS,
While in fact CHRISTIANS, BUDDHISTS and JEWS are the (NEW) JEWS ;
AND the MUSLIMS the NEW NAZIS !!
I have a different take. I think that European guilt about the Holocaust is the motivating factor for Europes anti-Israel policies. That is why you always hear Europeans making ridiculous statements about the IDF acting like Nazi's and Israel being an aparteid state. It is a way of saying "look the Jews are just as bad as we were" and it exculpates them from some of the guilt of the Holocaust.
I don't have a problem with VB in Flanders. But the BNP is another story, they are Nazi's plain and simple.
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Guys I understand your concern about the BNP, BUT the BNP is NOT Nick Griffin. Yes he is our figure head and yes he said some truly stupid things in the past. The BNP is attracting LOTS of "normal" everyday people into it's ranks, some of which are standing up for election and positions in the executive.
These people, and I'm one of them, are NOT anti Semitic. I truly support the Jewish people of ALL nations especially Israel, in their fight for existence!
We are at war and we do have a common enemy. BLOODY NAZI MUSSIES whose only desire is to kill ALL Jews first, then Christians, then non-believers. After that going by past history they will go back to killing themselves! 8;)
And no I an not following the indoctrination that says, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Israel and Britain is at war with g-dless heathens determined to wipe us all out. >:(
If Nick Griffin becomes Prime Minister, O0, then I and many others like me will be front row in the cabinet! If you give up on the BNP then the lib/lab/cons will kill you all just as dead as a muSSie suicide jocky >:(
There is NO OTHER PARTY in the UK that gives a toss about Israel let alone Jews in the UK
Some people don't like to eat vegetables but sometimes you you have to accept the taste in order live. 8;)
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In my country, Flanders, the Vlaams Belang, has 25 % of the votes, and
is being blocked by a coalition of all other parties together.
VB is the biggest party here.
That has zero% to do with anti-semitism.
It is all about stopping and immigration, and deporting illegals back.
It is about the fight against Islam, and hostile non-European welfare-exploiters, that need to be kicked out.
VB is the only openly pro-Israel party here.
All other parties, are "pro-peace" or just opnly for the fakesinians.
Parties that are/were anti-semitic, now , are realising Israel is having the same fate, as the rest of us.
That's why they turn away from nazism.
Besides, what is wrong about "racism"?!
that's the new code-word like "heritic" to prevent a real debate about our future , our sovereignty,
It has been far too long, that Europe had guilt-feelings, towards the turd world , and the two world wars.
This guilt feeling is now enabeling the muslims , the new nazis, the biggest anti-semites , to take control here,
by a ethnic/religious civil war.
In case you want to save Israel and the Western World, you must trust these "ex-nazis"
At this moment , ALL other parties, are supporting the destruction of Israel and Europe, and trying to make it into
a Eurabian State.
What do you think that will happen in 2100 if we allow the muslims to breed here at the rate they do now??
By 2050, they start WWIII, and than WE"RE ALL GONE.
I am stating that European guilt about the Holocaust, and the pogroms , is being used by the muslims, to overthrow us.
They pretend THEY are the NEW JEWS,
While in fact CHRISTIANS, BUDDHISTS and JEWS are the (NEW) JEWS ;
AND the MUSLIMS the NEW NAZIS !!
I have a different take. I think that European guilt about the Holocaust is the motivating factor for Europes anti-Israel policies. That is why you always hear Europeans making ridiculous statements about the IDF acting like Nazi's and Israel being an aparteid state. It is a way of saying "look the Jews are just as bad as we were" and it exculpates them from some of the guilt of the Holocaust.
I don't have a problem with VB in Flanders. But the BNP is another story, they are Nazi's plain and simple.
dhimmi_pride is absolutely right about that.
The Holocaust is mis-used by EUrocrats as a bolshevik PC tool, to blame the Jews , for ... yeah for what?
For being guilthy of saying , NEVER AGAIN!?!?!! and persuing a strategy of Arabs colonisers out?
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Guys I understand your concern about the BNP, BUT the BNP is NOT Nick Griffin. Yes he is our figure head and yes he said some truly stupid things in the past. The BNP is attracting LOTS of "normal" everyday people into it's ranks, some of which are standing up for election and positions in the executive.
These people, and I'm one of them, are NOT anti Semitic. I truly support the Jewish people of ALL nations especially Israel, in their fight for existence!
We are at war and we do have a common enemy. BLOODY NAZI MUSSIES whose only desire is to kill ALL Jews first, then Christians, then non-believers. After that going by past history they will go back to killing themselves! 8;)
And no I an not following the indoctrination that says, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Israel and Britain is at war with g-dless heathens determined to wipe us all out. >:(
If Nick Griffin becomes Prime Minister, O0, then I and many others like me will be front row in the cabinet! If you give up on the BNP then the lib/lab/cons will kill you all just as dead as a muSSie suicide jocky >:(
There is NO OTHER PARTY in the UK that gives a toss about Israel let alone Jews in the UK
Some people don't like to eat vegetables but sometimes you you have to accept the taste in order live. 8;)
The BNP is Nick Griffin, he leads the party, and as you say the BNPs goal is to have him become Prime Minister. The BNP are the heirs of the neo-Nazi National Front. The founder of the BNP is John Tyndall, an even bigger Nazi then Griffin. Griffin became head of the BNP in the 1990's when the BNP decided that they disliked non-white Muslims more than Jews, tried to drop the overt anti-semitism and tried to become a respectable party. But they never really changed their attitudes. Just 10 years ago Griffin was still publishing the neo-Nazi magazine the Rune and making statements about the "Holohoax" and how Jews controlled Britain through the media. He still has open links with the French National Front and Le Pen, Griffin himself is a former high ranking member of the British National Front an openly neo-Nazi party. He has praised white hater and anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan. He has praised Qaddafi and Ayatollah Khomeini. And he still meets and is friendly with David Irving and David Duke.
If Nick Griffin ever becomes PM there will be another Holocaust.
"I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat ... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."
~Nick Griffin 1998
I feel sorry that there is no legitimate party in the UK that meets the needs of ordinary Brits. But the BNP are not the solution they neo-Nazi scum trying to hide who they really are until they can get into a position of power. There really is no party in Britian worth supporting. I think Britian is a failed state and should break up. At least the Irish, Scots, and Welsh still have pride in their culture, which the English don't, and would fight for it. And they have alot less Muslim immigrants. They should break away and try and save themselves while they still can.
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Wow You realy don't like British dhimmi_pride. ecouse they're protestants and you're catholic? Are you by chance Irishman?
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Wow You realy don't like British dhimmi_pride. ecouse they're protestants and you're catholic? Are you by chance Irishman?
Yes I am Irish. I have nothing against the "British" people, I just don't like their government and don't think any such country should exist. It has nothing to do with religion. I support independence for Wales and Scotland which are Protestant. Actually Scotland is quite hostile towards Catholicism but I still think they should be free. Britian is an artificial state based on the domination and suppression of the Celtic people's language, culture and natural right to have their own nation and I am against it.
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I think you are missing the point dhimmi_pride if you think that everyone here in Britain is just going to roll over and let the muSSies in, which seems to be your point of view.
As for If Nick Griffin ever becomes PM there will be another Holocaust.
well that just proves you've lost the plot.
The question is: Would a BNP government be of benefit to Israel and indeed Jews in the UK? The answer is yes. The question is not: How can I slag off the Brits because I've got a chip on my shoulder as large as a mosque.
I'll say it again, because it's true;
There is NO OTHER PARTY in the UK that gives a toss about Israel let alone Jews in the UK
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I think you are missing the point dhimmi_pride if you think that everyone here in Britain is just going to roll over and let the muSSies in, which seems to be your point of view.
As for If Nick Griffin ever becomes PM there will be another Holocaust.
well that just proves you've lost the plot.
The question is: Would a BNP government be of benefit to Israel and indeed Jews in the UK? The answer is yes. The question is not: How can I slag off the Brits because I've got a chip on my shoulder as large as a mosque.
I'll say it again, because it's true;
There is NO OTHER PARTY in the UK that gives a toss about Israel let alone Jews in the UK
The Brits have been rolling over to them for decades already and I don't see that changing. I don't see the British government doing much of anything against terrorism, i mean "anti-Islamic activity." The government completely capitulates to every single demand they make. And the only people warning of the problem are a bunch of neo-Nazi Fascists thugs who just get drunk at football, talk alot of BS but in reality have done absolutely [censored] all.
Nick Griffin and the BNP hate the Jews and could not care less about Israel. They are just trying to give lip service to Jewish groups to try and hide their Nazi roots and agenda. But everyone in the UK know exactly who they are and what they stand for- they are not fooling anybody. In reality people like Nick Griffin blame the Jews for Britians troubles because he believes that they control the country through the banks and the media- this is well documented, he openly published pamplets and magazines saying this. As for Israel Griffin made it clear in his debate with Abu Hamza that they would both like it if Muslims left the UK and created strict wahabbist states in the Middle East which would threaten Israel. Griffin is a Holocaust denier that praises Le Pen, David Duke, David Irving, and Louis Farrakhan. And has said that Qaddafi and Ayatollah Khomeini were models for revolution.
The attitude of Griffin and the BNP toward Israel and the Jewish people are quite clear.
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ALL European right-wing groups, that are against immigration, islamisation, and globalisation,
have a nazi-past, or at least some (former) members with a nazi-sympathy, amongst their rangs,
or links with groups that are considered neo-nazi.
They indeed blame the Jews for being the mastermind behind left-wing policy.
Therefore , it is important, that RIGHT-WING Jews spread the message; that self-hating Jews,
are enemies of Israel and Zionism as well.
That is exactly what Chaim is doing, and God will for sure be very rewarding for what he does to build bridges
between proud Jews, and proud Europeans!
If we work to get D.Duke&F.Weltner behind iron bars,
we have a chance, of winning lots of sympathy in Europe,
and turning the tide.
It is up to JTF to accomplish this task.
Nobody else will do it in our place.
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ALL European right-wing groups, that are against immigration, islamisation, and globalisation,
have a nazi-past, or at least some (former) members with a nazi-sympathy, amongst their rangs,
or links with groups that are considered neo-nazi.
They indeed blame the Jews for being the mastermind behind left-wing policy.
Therefore , it is important, that RIGHT-WING Jews spread the message; that self-hating Jews,
are enemies of Israel and Zionism as well.
That is exactly what Chaim is doing, and G-d will for sure be very rewarding for what he does to build bridges
between proud Jews, and proud Europeans!
If we work to get D.Duke&F.Weltner behind iron bars,
we have a chance, of winning lots of sympathy in Europe,
and turning the tide.
It is up to JTF to accomplish this task.
Nobody else will do it in our place.
The BNP don't have a nazi past, they are still nazi's and have a nazi leadership.
Self-hating leftists Jews are a problem. But to publish magazines saying that they are a cabal that secretly control the country and to scapegoat all of a nations problems is something quite different. JTF is against that!
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If we work to get D.Duke&F.Weltner behind iron bars,
we have a chance, of winning lots of sympathy in Europe,
and turning the tide.
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Why would you want to put Nick Griffins longtime friend behind bars??? Why the sympathy for Griffin but not for David Duke??? They are no different from one another.
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ALL European right-wing groups, that are against immigration, islamisation, and globalisation,
have a nazi-past, or at least some (former) members with a nazi-sympathy, amongst their rangs,
or links with groups that are considered neo-nazi.
They indeed blame the Jews for being the mastermind behind left-wing policy.
Therefore , it is important, that RIGHT-WING Jews spread the message; that self-hating Jews,
are enemies of Israel and Zionism as well.
That is exactly what Chaim is doing, and G-d will for sure be very rewarding for what he does to build bridges
between proud Jews, and proud Europeans!
If we work to get D.Duke&F.Weltner behind iron bars,
we have a chance, of winning lots of sympathy in Europe,
and turning the tide.
It is up to JTF to accomplish this task.
Nobody else will do it in our place.
The BNP don't have a nazi past, they are still nazi's and have a nazi leadership.
Self-hating leftists Jews are a problem. But to publish magazines saying that they are a cabal that secretly control the country and to scapegoat all of a nations problems is something quite different. JTF is against that!
I doubt they are listening to you. They never listened about other issues.
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ALL European right-wing groups, that are against immigration, islamisation, and globalisation,
have a nazi-past, or at least some (former) members with a nazi-sympathy, amongst their rangs,
or links with groups that are considered neo-nazi.
They indeed blame the Jews for being the mastermind behind left-wing policy.
Therefore , it is important, that RIGHT-WING Jews spread the message; that self-hating Jews,
are enemies of Israel and Zionism as well.
That is exactly what Chaim is doing, and G-d will for sure be very rewarding for what he does to build bridges
between proud Jews, and proud Europeans!
If we work to get D.Duke&F.Weltner behind iron bars,
we have a chance, of winning lots of sympathy in Europe,
and turning the tide.
It is up to JTF to accomplish this task.
Nobody else will do it in our place.
The BNP don't have a nazi past, they are still nazi's and have a nazi leadership.
Self-hating leftists Jews are a problem. But to publish magazines saying that they are a cabal that secretly control the country and to scapegoat all of a nations problems is something quite different. JTF is against that!
Exactly.
JTF-leadership should decide what to do.
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My question is why they even bother to court Jews and support Israel when doing the oposite woud make them more trendy and popular among elites and medias? I don't that Griffit is nice and dandy but he will come and go and BNP will remain as rightwing anti muslime, anti turd world imigration and pro Israeli party, becouse there is demand for such movement in Britain. Making the boogey man out of them will not change the fact that ultra left and so called moderate "centre-right" parties not BNP, VB, SD or PiS are planing new Holocuast as we speak.
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Making the boogey man out of them will not change the fact that ultra left and so called moderate "centre-right" parties not BNP, VB, SD or PiS are planing new Holocaust as we speak.
Some European right-wing parties were/are siding with Saddam, Ahmadinajad, Assad,...
They saw the Arabians as allies to, G-d forbid, destroy Israel and slaughter all the Jews.
These parties exist: France: Front National of Jean-Marie Le Pen, Bulgaria: Ataka of Boris Siderov,
Germany: National Partei Deutschland.
and some Russian Nazis: their ideology is called Ruzism.
Most parties that are now pro-Israel, were anti-semites in the past.
I think Geert Wilders is the only exception.
He was a leftist punker before.
The fact is, however, that FORMER allies of Israel, the socialists, and basically all moderate parties,
became more anti-American since the implosion of the Soviet-Union, and increasingly anti-Israel.
Zionism is seen as a Nazi-ideology, and Israel is seen as an Apartheid state.
Diversity, Multiculturalism and Equality are seen as universal. Via the UN, they want to impose this on all nations.
They will force Israel to give up its lands, and to let in the "P@lestinian refugees"
The Greens, the socialists and the liberal parties, and even left-wing groups within the the Christian Democratic parties, are
"critical" of the Israeli state.
But are "in no way against Jews" , " a minority that needs the full protection" .
Obviously they can't stand the idea of an Israel that kicks out all non-Jews,
and become a - help!help! - a nazistic state.... that could hurt our arab friends....
Of course, EU, is "neutral" HAHAAHAHA. ::)
As we speak, Jewish traitors are attacking the Jewish state as well.
The write books that are the ideal tool for Europeans to attack Israel.
These books give the evil anti-Zionists an alibi to attack the "racist Zionist Entity".
The USA is seen as an Imperialistic Superstate , that needs to be tackled.
Besides, Europe EUSSR wants to secure oil-supply, and create a Empire with the Arab world.
These Jewish traitors, that hate Israel , and that hate Jews, the Torah, the Talmud, all religion,
that intermarry, are to be neutralised, as well as the anti-Israeli "right"-wing groups (pro-arab neo-nazis),
and the anti-Israeli left-wing groups : pro-arab (neo-bolsheviks).
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Yes they're still nazi pro A-rab parties like national-bolsheviks in Russia or NPD in Germany, but all of them exept the later are on margin of politicall scene. Germany seems to have no righteus party maybe exept CSU. Blaming all the problem on JOOS, at least staight and publicly ;); is still faux pas in Europe.
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Guys,
I come to you in good faith....
We are absolutely not anti-semitic...if we were I would launch a massive crusade against them!
The global press and a**holes from the past (20-30 years ago) have sought to perpetuate the myth that we are Nazis and racists . Please, Please listen and do 1 hours research- (surely Britain is worth that to your cause?)- If not, we are sorry and we symapathize with your plight, but there will be not much more we can do!
-We in the BNP are a bit like America- ( Ideally we want you on side from minute 1,) but if you cannot find it in your heart to do so, or in your courage and mind to do so, then we will be there when all your hope is lost. We'll pick you up and make you one of our own. Even though you turned your back on us in the past we will be there for you; because you are our people and we are fighting for you and our nation.
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This morning, Kenny Smith, Head of Administration and Sadie Graham, Group Development Officer, were expelled from the BNP for, amongst other things, creating and setting up a treasonous blogspot designed to attack and smear fellow party officials.
Below is a transcript of conversation between Sadie Graham, Matt Single and Kenny Smith discussing how they set up the “Enough is Enough” blogspot. Note the references to them using material from the Communist Searchlight organisation and other extreme left wing web sites and sources in their plans to destabilise the party.
SADIE: Um… that wasn’t that public knowledge was it?
KENNY: Inaudible
SADIE: Ok I’ll have to have a think, um I’ve got stuff in e-mails but we can’t use any of them because it’s all um just e-mails to me and to do with stuff he’s said about people and that we can’t use any of that for this
KENNY: Not really, not unless it’s public domain. Do you think we should go into … inaudible
SADIE: One thing you’ve written is, Mark Collett is, or who ever has written this, Mark Collett makes an arse of himself, um, it sounds like, um not being funny, it sounds like something you would say.
KENNY: I would say?
SADIE: Makes an arse, not, no?
KENNY: Does it? No, I actually used that phrase because it’s phrase I don’t use.
SADIE: Ok, really
KENNY, SADIE: Laughter
SADIE: excrement, I read that and thought INAUDIBLE
KENNY: Inaudible
SADIE: Yeah that is weird
MATT: Inaudible… widely hated by everyone
SADIE: Yeah, um, yeah but then it has got to look like it potentially could be reds.
MATT: It has to look like they’re widely hated
SADIE: You can refer to Ian’s letter in it as that is public knowledge. You can refer to Ian’s letter talking about things Ian mentions in his letter. Like about him being taking money and all that with leaflets. Because well, that is potentially, is potentially libellous.
KENNY: We could reproduce copies of that leaflet thing that went out.
SADIE: Yeah you could say as quoted by Searchlight or something like that, as put in Searchlight, just a replication of what went in Searchlight. Basically, we need back copies of Searchlight, because whatever has been in Searchlight about Mark we could use but lots of our people haven’t even read Searchlight, so how the f**k can we get loads of back copies of Searchlight, that’s what I mean.
KENNY: Ask Laughs
SADIE: It’s true, yeah
KENNY: I asked for the back copy that reproduced the list of BNP branches and groups, do you remember from December last year?
Right, do you guys want access to this site to put stuff up yourselves?
MATT: Yeah Ideally
SADIE: Yeah but we have to be sensible about who has it and who puts what up.
MATT: But Kas….
KENNY: It’s only gonna be us, Ian really isn’t it?
MATT: Kas, at one point you said about linking things to red sites, the only thing is if that happens then they can easily say it’s a red conspiracy or another red attack.
KENNY: Right ok, to clarify that, I’ve used media from left wing sites.
MATT: Oh right
INAUDIBLE
SADIE: Yeah
KENNY: I had to use that because YouTube has only got 5 of the 6 clips, I had to link to Lancaster UAF to get the full clip of er… Young Nazi and Proud.
SADIE: Yep!
KENNY: Inaudible… we’ll have to take stories from left sites as well as other sites.
SADIE: OK, Basically we’ll all have to do a load of digging and loads and loads of searching and stuff. The only thing is we if we do any searching from our computers it’s traceable isn’t it? But then who the f**k is, nobody is going to take our computers and check our searches are they?
KENNY: No. Ok. Have you guys got Google? Can you guys Google names?
SADIE: Google names? I’ve got a Google, I’ve got, when I go on Internet Explorer I’ve got a Google bar to search with.
KENNY: If you go to Google,
SADIE: I’m in it now, yeah
KENNY: Go to the thing at the top that says sign in, can you see that?
SADIE: Yeah!
KENNY: Click sign in
SADIE: Done it!
KENNY: Create a new a account, a new Google account…inaudible… new account
SADIE: Yep.
KENNY: A name that’s not your own…inaudible…Mark Collett’s fan club or something. Laughs.
SADIE: Yeah, I mean yeah what, anything.
KENNY: Create an account what I’d do then, is I’ll go onto this site and I’ll (inaudible) I’ll be able to add you guys to people who are able to post on this site.
SADIE: You have to set up a current e-mail address basically; it says your e-mail address.
KENNY: Have you got, have you got, this again INAUDIBLE this is the thing I worried to Steve about, and he says nobody can see these profiles. They are completely secure, unless you break the law and people go to Google. So use a Hotmail account or whatever you have.
SADIE: I haven’t got a Hotmail account, but you’ve got one Matt, haven’t you? Can we use that one?
KENNY: Hotmail’s not good actually, Hotmail’s definitely not good
SADIE: I’ve got an NTL World one, BUT it’s Sadie Graham.
KENNY: That’s fine
SADIE: So I’ll just use Sadie Graham at NTL World dot com
KENNY: I’ve used my Civil Liberty one LAUGHTER
SADIE: Really?
KENNY: INAUDIBLE
SADIE: Alright, so Sadie dot Graham at NTL World dot com, ok then I just choose a password
KENNY: Yeah, just think of something yourself
SADIE: Yeah I’m just going to have write something down so I remember it, I’ll make it totally different, one I’ve never used before
KENNY: What’s your e-mail address? Sadie Graham…
SADIE: Sadie dot Graham at NTL World dot com. Do I say remember me on this computer?
KENNY: Um… it’s up to yourself, but I wouldn’t personally if I were you
SADIE: Ok, enable web history
MATT: INAUDIBLE
SADIE: No, ok. Location United Kingdom. Ok then I accept and create my account.
KENNY: Yep, ok then I’ve sent you an open invitation e-mail to Sadie dot Graham at NTL World dot com.
SADIE: Yep
KENNY: You log onto that you should be able to then post INAUDIBLE ...
SADIE: You know it says put my user name in, what is my user name
KENNY: Your user name is the one you see next to your INAUDIBLE
SADIE: Did I have one? I didn’t have one! I just put in an e-mail address
KENNY: Did you not create a user name?
SADIE: There wasn’t anything to create a user name. It says user name and in brackets it’s written e-mail. The user name must be my e-mail
INAUDIBLE
SADIE: … And then underneath it says to log in user name and in brackets it says e-mail next to it. So it’s my Google e-mail but I don’t know what that is now.
KENNY: Let me just see… INAUDIBLE then silence and whispers
SADIE: You don’t have a user name! You just put in an e-mail and a password! How odd.
KENNY: Ok, right, put that in there see what happens, if it comes up we’ll change it
SADIE: Ok, hold on.
KENNY: Ah, I’ll tell you why, I’ll tell you why, ‘cause you need to create…
SADIE: See I’m in Google now, I’m in Google and it’s come up at the top right hand corner Sadie dot Graham at NTL World dot com that’s my log in name.
KENNY: Yeah that’s the same as I’ve got for mine but nobody can see that I’ve got treasurer at Civil Liberty dot org dot UK. But what we need to do is get a blog name for you.
SADIE: Right.
KENNY: So, in that case…
SADIE: Go to my account… er… edit personal information, oh it’s where you type in, you give yourself a nickname, No…. my user name is Sadie dot Graham at NTL World dot com, that’s what, that’s what it’s come up as, that’s my user name
KENNY: Yep, no no, that’s fine that’s fine, er I’ll just INAUDIBLE See in the Google account
SADIE: Yeah
KENNY: Open my account
SADIE: Yep
KENNY: What do you see on the right hand side in my services
SADIE: Um it says er my services then goes to edit and then underneath try something new, then Google mail, adverts, alerts , groups, web history, igoogle and INAUDIBLE and then personal information and then edit.
KENNY: I’ve got blogger
SADIE: Well I don’t have that in my Google account
KENNY: you go to www dot blogger dot com
SADIE: Yep
KENNY: Ok, my account, create blog
SADIE: Sign into blog with Google account, e-mail, password. Then do you have a Google account, create an account now.
KENNY: Does it not got to our blog?
SADIE: It says sign into blogger with your Google account and then you put in your e-mail and your password.
KENNY: Ok try that
SADIE: So I put in Sadie Graham, ahhh yeah so now it’s come up with sign up for blogger. Once you complete this process you will be able to sign into blogger using your Google account, e-mail and password. Yeah e-mail address Sadie dot Graham blah blah blah and then it comes up with display name and a box that I have to fill in.
KENNY: Good good, give yourself one of them
SADIE: Um, what the f**k shall I be…
MATT: INAUDIBLE
SADIE: what are you? Are you just anything?
KENNY: I’m enough is enough
SADIE: Oh right OK. Um… fed up or something like that.
KENNY: Fed up sounds fine.
SADIE: Fed up, all one word, I won’t put a gap in it, I’ll be fed up, I accept terms of service continue… Ok, you are not a member of any blogs, create one now, start posting, create your blog now.
KENNY: Is there add to blog?
SADIE: Um…
KENNY: See that invite I gave you is there anywhere on that
SADIE: Um… lets have a look… yeah on that invite it says Enough is Enough has invited you to contribute to the blog join this blog and so accept this invitation by signing into your Google account below so I do that, shall I do that now?
KENNY: Yeh
SADIE: Sadie dot Graham at NTL World dot com, and then my password, ok accept invitation. Ok yeah, it’s now saying I can manage my blog which is enough is enough. Is this now available to view for loads of people.
KENNY: yes it is technically, but nobody can see it.
SADIE: right
KENNY: INAUDIBLE
SADIE: I’m in now
KENNY: for admin purposes?
SADIE: OK I’m properly in it now. I’m viewing the blog, I’m in it and it’s got my e-mail at the top right hand corner.
KENNY: Excellent, INAUDIBLE… Click on your fed up name and then go to view blog, see the blog there and right down on the bottom right contributors
SADIE: ooh hang on
KENNY: INAUDIBLE
SADIE: Contributors enough is enough and fed up
KENNY: See fed up, that’s all people can see that
SADIE: Fed up and enough is enough … yeah
KENNY: INAUDIBLE…. Quality
SADIE: OK.
“Coup Attempt Spectacularly Ill-timed”
While 2007 has seen a variety of political advances for the BNP, the party has to an extent been held back and troubled by a string of leaks and misinformation briefings to political opponents, and by internal rumour-mongering designed to damage morale and confidence in the workings of various party departments, and in the leadership generally. Had this continued the result, whether by accident or design, would have been to disrupt, perhaps fatally, our all-important drive to break through with victory in the London Assembly Elections next year.
Some months ago, a BNP Intelligence Department was set up, with one of its key initial targets being to track down the source of these problems and provide the evidence needed to expose those responsible and put an end to their subversion.
Working closely with several other BNP Departments and following discussions with the BNP’s independent auditor, our Intelligence team – headed by Lance Stewart, a long-standing British nationalist and a former high-ranking officer in the South African Police - have now completed the first stage of their investigations.
As a result, two junior level national officials, Administration Officer Kenny Smith and Group Development Officer Sadie Graham, have today been removed from their posts with immediate effect on the grounds of gross misconduct and now face disciplinary charges over alleged offences against the BNP Constitution and Code of Conduct.
Sub judice rules
In order to afford the accused a fair hearing at their forthcoming disciplinary tribunals, it is not proper to rehearse the details of the cases against them here at present. It can, however, be said that the prosecution will produce evidence of their heading a secretive bid to force out of positions, or even out of the Party, individuals who were not on ‘their side’ in a sordid factional power-grab, while attempting to cover up serious failings and inefficiencies by individuals on ‘their side’.
Most shockingly of all – especially when we are in the run-up to the most important electoral opportunities in the history of the BNP - evidence will be put before the tribunals of an alleged plot by Mr Smith and Miss Graham to pack the Advisory Council with their supporters and to change the Party constitution so as to take power away from the elected leader and the Voting Membership, and concentrate it in their own hands.
The prosecution also alleges that there is clear evidence of their direct involvement in setting up a disgraceful anti-BNP smear blog and, in the case of Mr. Smith, of serious breaches of accountancy procedures leaving up to £17,000 unaccounted for in the 2006 Central Audit, and of a wilful neglect of the Excalibur merchandising operation constituting attempted financial sabotage in order to create an artificial ‘crisis’ to which their proposals would be presented as the solution.
Stuck pigs
No doubt our political opponents - who have been passed large amounts of information intended to damage genuine people who have refused to go along with this spectacularly ill-timed and amateurish alleged coup attempt – will immediately swing into deceitful action and squeal like stuck pigs that this is all being made up as “an excuse to get rid of good nationalists who happen to have criticised Nick Griffin”.
In order to scupper such black propaganda, a meeting of our Intelligence, Legal and Security Departments, in consultation with Nick Griffin, has authorised the release of the following audio recording. The prosecution will tell the forthcoming disciplinary tribunals that – having been recorded as a result of an incredibly stupid mistake by Sadie Graham - it provides incontrovertible proof that she and Mr. Smith are guilty as charged. In the meantime, you can hear for yourself and make up your own mind as to if you agree that the BNP leadership are right to take swift action to safeguard the Party.
Hahaa friendly lot :::D :::D :::D
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Safeguarding the organisation from agent provocateurs, informers and inflirtrators is good thing Skippy, I think the JTF especialy it's Israeli chapter shud learn on iternal security and counterinteligence from BNP.
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Safeguarding the organisation from agent provocateurs, informers and inflirtrators is good thing Skippy, I think the JTF especialy it's Israeli chapter shud learn on iternal security and counterinteligence from BNP.
I can't agree more agent 86 ^-^
Love your sig ;)
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I heard that no Jew can walk around with a Yamaka in London because a Muslim will come and harass him.
I have walked through an muslim market (like an arab market) in the east end of london (like a bee hive of muslims), without problems.. Just some odd looks, mostly respect!
But I know a rabbi who is in full gear - black hat, black coat, suit, e.t.c. who has had frequent problems down one particular street. So he normally walks with some people, and is ok.
I have had things shouted at me before.. from people going past in cars. That is common place anywhere in London. I actually may have had more problems in non muslim areas .. White thugs are that bad.
Most jewish areas are not poor enough to have that many muslims.
One with muslims that springs to mind, is Hackney. The jews there are mostly strictly orthodox.
In the jewish areas I am most familiar with, the thugs are white thugs with hoodies, on council estates. The Council fund houses in decent areas and screw up sections of the area. They hassle everybody, not just jews. They are heavily inspired by rap music/culture. Alot of them would probably vote BNP. If it is the case that Nick Griffin - the current BNP leader - is alright, then his problem is that many in his party do not like jews.. (some have legitimate grievances, where all they see are left wing jews, and the big jewish organisations trying to stop them speaking).. Others are just anti-semites. Nick Griffin basically admits this is the case, that the party has to get rid of its anti-semitic image.. Of course, in his past, Nick Griffin made comments about jews having too much power, and meddled in holocaust denial of sorts. There have been posts on Nick Griffin and the BNP. With links to youtube videos and a wikipedia article on him and the previous BNP head, where you can make your mind up based on their own words.
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I have walked through an muslim market (like an arab market) in the east end of london (like a bee hive of muslims).
Isn't the East End where Aaron Kosminski once roamed the streets?
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I have walked through an muslim market (like an arab market) in the east end of london (like a bee hive of muslims).
Isn't the East End where Aaron Kosminski once roamed the streets?
I saw a tv program (episode of richard and judy) where somebody said they found their uncle had all this stuff that he thought showed beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was Jack the ripper. This guy`s name was not kominsky, he was not jewish.
The East End is where many jews started out in London, there are books about the jewish east end. When they moved out, the muslims moved in.
The legendary boxer that is considered by many as the father of modern boxing, was Daniel Mendoza, a jew from the east end. There were some tough jews there.
I cannot remember the road in Stepney Green or Bethnal Green east london, but jews and non jews joined together and faught moseley`s blackshirts there. Now any trouble on that road is islammic.
The Kray brothers (not jewish) were classic thugs from the east end. They largely just dealt with other thugs.. Even Tony Blair something along the lines of - at least in the old days the thugs had some respect! Now they will kill an old lady for a few pence! He got in some trouble with the leftist press for saying that. They thought he was praising the Krays.
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My question is why they even bother to court Jews and support Israel when doing the oposite woud make them more trendy and popular among elites and medias? I don't that Griffit is nice and dandy but he will come and go and BNP will remain as rightwing anti muslime, anti turd world imigration and pro Israeli party, becouse there is demand for such movement in Britain. Making the boogey man out of them will not change the fact that ultra left and so called moderate "centre-right" parties not BNP, VB, SD or PiS are planing new Holocuast as we speak.
The BNP are not courting Jews and do not support Israel. The BNP are trying to become a mainstream party but can not because of their openly Nazi past. So they put a few things up on their website to try saying they support Israel and are no longer anti-semitic to move the party forward. But they do not fool anyone in Britain- and I am amazed that they have been able to on here. The BNP have never actually done anything to support Israel- they hate Zionism and believe in conspiracies about cabals of Zionist Jews secretly controling Britain. No Jewish group in Britain supports the BNP- they know who they really are!
Neither are the BNP a rightwing party. They are socialists, totally nanny staters, whose campaign is openly about class warfare. They are just a racist version of the labour party, people who don't want to share the dole and their welfare state with nonwhites. They are national socialists pure and simple. The BNP were neo-Nazi's before Griffin. They are neo-Nazi's under Griffin. And they will be after Griffin. The future of the BNP will be people like Mark Collett, former head of the Young BNP and current Director of Publicity for the BNP.
Check out what the future of the BNP is below.
"National Socialism was the best solution for the German people back in the 1930s...I honestly can't understand how a man who has seen the hell inner city hell of Britain today can't look back on that era with a certain nostalgia and think yeah those people marching through the streets saluting was a bad thing...The Jews have been thrown out of every country, including England. There's not a single European country the Jews have not been thrown out of. And lets face it, David. When it happens that many times it's not just persecution. There's no smoke without fire."
The BNP: Young, Nazi, and Proud.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjq810xAJM&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjq810xAJM&NR=1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHZ29fP05tE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHZ29fP05tE&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dka_z6scSE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dka_z6scSE&feature=related)
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"There's no smoke without fire"~ Mark Collett
Well lets see:
Hatred of Jews has always been the backbone of nazi ideas. The BNP is no different. But antisemitism is not a vote winner. It reminds people of Hitler and the Holocaust. The BNP wishes to distance itself from the images of swastikas and concentration camps. Despite this, they still believesthat there is a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world.
*In Nick Griffin’s pamphlet Who are the Mindbenders Jewish names are listed as proof that they control the media.
*Mindbenders claims that, “The mass media in Britain today have managed to implant into many people’s minds the idea that it is ‘anti-Semitic’ even to acknowledge that members of the Jewish community play a large part in controlling our news”.
*Jews are accused of “providing us with an endless diet of pro-multiracial, pro-homosexual, anti-British trash”.
Who are the Mindbenders? has a sinister history:
*It follows the lead of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, the notorious 19th century tsarist forgery that purports to be the minutes of a meeting of Jews documenting their plans to control the whole world.
*Mindbenders is based on Who Rules America?, written by Dr William Pierce, who before his death last year was one of the world’s foremost neo-nazis and a self confessed ally of Nick Griffin.
*Pierce authored the notorious Turner Diaries, which inspired the Oklahoma bombing, and was the leader of the National Alliance, a group described by the US Anti-Defamation League as one of the most dangerous neo-nazi groups in the world. Griffin’s booklet is a carbon copy of Pierce’s.
In Spearhead in 1996, Griffin spoke of “the controllers of Hollywood, almost entirely Jewish”, and has written that: “Some ‘anti-Semitism’ may be provoked by the actions of certain Jews themselves and thereby have a rational basis”. Now he is trying to distance himself from the label of antisemitism, and has toned down his views in public. Where he once spoke of “Jewish influence”, he now speaks of “Zionist influence”, showing that it is his language not his beliefs that have changed.
Holocaust Denial
*Griffin has never withdrawn his views on the Holocaust that landed him with a suspended prison sentence in 1998. His publication The Rune, which denied that the Holocaust ever took place, resulted in a conviction for inciting racial hatred under the Public Order Act. So extreme were Griffin’s beliefs that he attacked David Irving, the leading British Holocaust denier, for daring to admit that some people might have died in the Holocaust, Griffin wrote: “True revisionists will not be fooled by this new twist to the sorry tale of the Hoax of the Twentieth Century”.
*Defaming the memory of British forces who fought the Nazis, he added, “Back in the 1960s the Jews quietly shifted the alleged sites of the mass gassings from the no longer believable German camps such as Dachau and Belsen to the sites in Communist Poland such as Auschwitz and Treblinka. Now that the very idea of Zyklon-B extermination has been exposed as unscientific nonsense, they are once and again re-writing bogus history, playing down gas chambers and talking instead of ‘hundreds of hitherto unknown sites in the East where more than a million Jews were exterminated by shooting”.
*Griffin sees the Holocaust as a lie invented by Jews to make money: “As your Hollywood friend is fond of remarking, (provided he is safely in select company) ‘there’s no business like Shoah business”.
*When the former MP Alex Carlisle reported Griffin for inciting racial hatred and Holocaust denial, Griffin fumed: “This bloody Jew, our local MP who organised the raid whose only claim to fame is that two of his parents died in the Holocaust”
*Star witness as Harrow Crown Court on Griffin’s behalf was Robert Faurisson, the famous French Holocaust denier.
In the 1990s the BNP hosted a number of revisionism seminars that were addressed by some of the world’s most infamous Holocaust deniers. They included David Irving.
*National Alliance, the foremost nazi group in the United States. NA speakers regularly address BNP meeting in the US and, in 1995, it founder and leader, William Pierce, spoke at the BNP annual rally in London. When Pierce died in the summer of 2002, the BNP posted an obituary on its website. Pierce was the author of The Turner Diaries, the fictional account of a Race War. The book proved to be an inspiration for the Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh, and the London nailbomber David Copeland.
* David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux, is very close to Nick Griffin and the BNP. Griffin has regularly shared platforms with Duke and the American’s antisemitic and Holocaust denial material is sold through the BNP. Duke is currently living in Russia in a bid to avoid the US taxman.
*National Democratic Party, Germany’s leading nazi group. NPD leaders deny the Holocaust took place and revere Adolf Hitler. The NPD shares many of its activists with the outlawed Blood and Honour skinhead movement. Griffin addressed a NPD rally in August 2002. NPD activists have attended BNP events in Britain.
*Front National, the French fascist group led by Jean-Marie Le Pen. Le Pen was convicted for dismissing the Holocaust as a “mere detail” of the Second World War and for violence. BNP supporters are regular attendees at the FN’s annual summer festival and Griffin has publicly stated his admiration for the group. A member of the FN leadership addressed the 2002 BNP Red, White and Blue festival.
*Holocaust deniers. The BNP, and especially Nick Griffin, are close to many of the world’s leading Holocaust deniers. Robert Faurisson, one of the foremost Holocaust deniers, was a star witness at Griffin’s trial for racial hatred in 1998. The German Gunter Deckert, who has been to prison for denying the Holocaust, spoke at a London BNP meeting in 2001. Even the British Holocaust denier and antisemite, David Irving, has addressed BNP meetings.
*American Renaissance. A far right US based publication that supports the notion of the biological superiority of white people. Each edition is packed with the theories of race-science, and grim statistics showing the moral degeneracy of black people. Griffin spoke at their annual conference in February 2002 on “Racial friction in Britain and Europe”.
*Blood and Honour. Blood and Honour is the openly nazi skinhead organisation in Britain. Many of its leaders are BNP members and Blood and Honour nazi bands have raised money for the BNP.
The attempts by the BNP to portray a more moderate image are often dropped when addressing events abroad. Speaking to a private nazi meeting in the US in 2001, Nick Griffin admitted that the party’s new-found respectability was simply a tactic to con the British people. “My politics have not changed,” he told the audience of racists and nazis. “I still believe in fighting for this,” he added, pointing to his white skin.
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The attempts by the BNP to portray a more moderate image are often dropped when addressing events abroad. Speaking to a private nazi meeting in the US in 2001, Nick Griffin admitted that the party’s new-found respectability was simply a tactic to con the British people. “My politics have not changed,” he told the audience of racists and nazis. “I still believe in fighting for this,” he added, pointing to his white skin.
wow, that is extreme!
but if you just go by what we know he has said (hearing or reading him in his own words).. e.g. from his website, or from any videos online
and seeing videos of the previous head John Tyndall (related to Tyndale of bible fame) , who he actually expelled from the party. Tyndall had lots of nazi links.
So just going by what we can see.. It may be that Nick Griffin has changed completely, though that is unlikely, and naiive. Or it may be that he is simply hiding his anti-semitism because it hurts his chances of gaining popularity. And at the moment he sees muslims as the number one threat. And given how powerful jewish organisations are, he would rather they were on his side. Or at least, not against him.
Either way, his party is full of anti-semites.. Given the fact that Nick Griffin was so openly anti-semitic as recently as 10 years ago. And that the former head of the BNP - John Tyndall, had nazi links e.g.he was leader of the national front!!. So even if nick griffin has dropped that image and is trying to drop that image.. He is leading a party full of neo nazis
You also make an important point, that they are National Socialists..
this is clear from wikipedia
And it makes sense.. Why much of their supports comes from poor council estate thugs. They are extreme left. Socialism. With the racism of extreme right. That`s national socialism.
Tyndall paired with the "white defence league" and set up the National Socialist movement. According to wikipedia.
Fine.. Tyndall was expelled by Griffin. But he was the former head, and no doubt many supports identify with Tyndall.
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Dhimmi and others,
I must say that I've read some utter twaddle on this BNP subject from people who should know better, or actually do, but choose to be head-in-sand whallas...-Please behave...You cannot get away with that here!
I understand your concerns but they are incorrect, unfounded and simply not true. All I have said to you that the BNP actively encourages Jewish membership, has democratically elected Jewish representitives, and supports Israel is FACT. It is true, ...it cannot be denied my friend. In the past, (as previously explained and at great legnth) ther have been complete assh*les who have been associated with the BNP with an axe to grind about everyone. This is no longer the case and all support and membership that has been associated with these people has been expelled from the party.
As a previous post has said, there is no other party that supports the Jewish people and Israel in the UK other than the BNP. -Know who you're friends are and do not denigrate genuine support.
So before you start calling other forum members liars -(namely me)... do your research and dont be in De-Nile...its a polluted river in Egypt...
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In the past, (as previously explained and at great legnth) ther have been complete assh*les who have been associated with the BNP with an axe to grind about everyone. This is no longer the case and all support and membership that has been associated with these people has been expelled from the party.
Those "complete a$$holes" founded the BNP and continue to lead it to this day. Nick Griffin's expulsion is news to me. Or is he not a holocaust denying/jew hating/ayatollah praising a$$hole that thinks the Jews secretly control the modern Britain that he so despises??? Can you name me anything the BNP has actually DONE, aside from writing something on a website to support Israel? Having a few Jews that are foolish enough to join with you neo-Nazi's does not make you pro-Jewish. And everyone in Britain knows what party every nazi saluting football hooligan supports...the BNP! Why is that???
Neither are you BNP supporters true right wingers. You are class warriors, nothing more than a racist and anti-semetic verison of Labour, that just don't want to share your dole and nanny state with non-whites.
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What party in the U.K. does support JTF-policies?
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What party in the U.K. does support JTF-policies?
None...just like in the US.
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dibblah,
I've just read some of your other posts on here and have to say that i am shocked to find that you are an Irish-Catholic (like me). How can you justify supporting the BNP givin its policies towards Ireland? Policies that say the 26 counties, not just the North, should be part of the UK. The BNP is opposed to, any, Irish independence which our people have fought for centuries to achieve. And more important the BNP's links with the UDA/UVF/LVF? Scum who murder innocent Irish Catholics for walking down the wrong street just because of who we are.
In some ways given the state of Britain with regards to the Muslim invasion I can understand your wanting to support the only party that is oppossing this. But that issue aside there is alot of garbage that comes along with the BNP and I just do not believe that the BNP have changed from their (openly) nazi past. It is a shame that there is not a single party in the UK worth supporting. The BNP just are not the way to go mo chara.
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the BNP actively encourages Jewish membership, has democratically elected Jewish representitives, and supports Israel is FACT. It is true, ...it cannot be denied my friend.
Wow I'm sold on the BNP.
Fact: nearly every other poitical party in the UK, and in Europe, could also make this claim.
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Neither are you BNP supporters true right wingers. You are class warriors, nothing more than a racist and anti-semetic verison of Labour, that just don't want to share your dole and nanny state with non-whites.
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What's funny ?
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What's funny ?
He said what I was thinking 8;)
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Neither are you BNP supporters true right wingers. You are class warriors, nothing more than a racist and anti-semetic verison of Labour, that just don't want to share your dole and nanny state with non-whites.
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That was an ingenious observation from dhimmi_pride. (and amusing too)
And regarding what dibblah said about BNP being pro israel. If even you mean pro israel like the Blair labour party - and I doubt it. No party in britain is pro israel. Some parties may be pro israeli government, but that is something else, and actually, that is bad! To be pro israel means saying israel should not give up any land, speaking out against the disengagement where the israeli government trampled over religious jewish settlers with horses and beat them with batons. No british political party does that. Anyhow, I do not expect them to, their goals should be for britain.
And their goal for britain is just what dhimmi_pride said!
Except they break up Britain into English, and non english. Not white and non white.
Jews are not considered English (even today british asians , blacks, jews, e.t.c. are not considered English by anybody). I do not know the details of the differences in how the English and non english would be treated, but that is the idea.
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I disagree with those who say that the BNP can never change. First of all, people do change their views. Sometimes in monumental ways. Sometimes several times during their lifetimes. If Nick Griffin says that his views of Jews has changed - who am I? A mind reader?
Secondly, a party is made up by its members. If the BNP is now attracting more mainstream members, then its views are correspondingly more mainstream. If the BNP allows Jewish membership then the views of its Jewish members affect the overall views represented by the party. I have spent a lot of time reading every single article on the BNP's website in order to study this issue and form my own opinion. My opinion is now formed. I'm giving thumbs up to the BNP. I have no doubt that there are a lot of individual members who are strongly antisemitic, but I believe that the party, as a whole, has changed its agenda, and its target is now the defeat of islam. I support its nationalistic, anti-EU, anti-globalist agenda. This is the realistic political force in Britain today capable of being a platform of reststance; everything else is just talk. We cannot be purists at this historical juncture.
I know that Chaim has expressed himself against the BNP. I believe he will come around and change his mind eventually.
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Guys... Please. please, you are all wrong...that is what they want you to believe. You might find these posts vaguely interesting if you live in the US but to us over here in the UK, it has become a matter of survival.
They -(The EU, the UK government and Media as well as various pressure groups) are aleady talking of introducing Sharia Law to the UK and Europe....we are very close to being seriously compromised!!!- If we fall you are next for a Muslim takeover.
-it is easy to be cynical!- Try and disproove me!!
Dhimmi... My dear friend...the BNP support the Independant Irish state and want a joint, democractically elected future for NI. I have always been an Irish nationalist, I was baptized in Ireland (Kildare) and all my family live there. I would never risk their futures and our grandchildren's futures on political claptrap....before anything else. However we slice and dice it,our future will be forever intertwined with the UK because of proximity and connections alone.
That is why I am calling on you to take a fresh view. If we had the chance to discuss this face to face I'm sure we'ed find common ground. The BNP are not racists, fachists or anti anything Judaic/Christian... Do some more research and really read.... The BNP may ultimately be the party that can unite all of Ireland.
In the words of Christy Moore: et. al.
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Masha-
They are not attracting more mainstream members. Though Nick Griffin may be trying.
(not necessarily because he "changed his views", but simply because he wants to be elected).
You are right that they see muslims as the number one threat.
Having a jewish representative means nothing(there is this jewish woman representative they have. i saw a picture of her). It means nothing. I heard that evil anti-semitic playright David Haires on TV begin declaring that he had a jewish wife, before going on a diatribe against jews in israel, jewish belief, settlers, e.t.c. . The "some of my best friends are jewish" line is well known. Ahmedinejad knows that line too.
And so did do muslims.. it gives them a seal of approval that their views are socially acceptable. People feel they cannot call them anti some group if people of that group love them. And they cannot argue with a person of that minority group , arguing that they discriminate against that minority group member. They have their token jew.. And she may be a self hating jew too. Or an opportunist. Or a crackpot. What jewish causes has she stood up for? She is just nominally jewish (JINO - jewish in name only). And maybe not "even" jewish in name!
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Hi Masha,
-I would like to thank you for what has been the most objective and reasonable view of any participant so far in this BNP/Pro Israeli debate.
Whereas I have entered this discussion with my own personal opinions and statements of fact, these have (perhaps understandably) been countered at every turn. This has been done by those who have been exposed to a more ignorant, historical perspective of the British nation. If you measured many "mainstream" parties and causes of whatever stripe throughout history they would without exception be anti-Semitic, anti-catholic, anti democratic et. al.
You are right to state the very important and objective points you make and most importantly to judge a party on its fundamentals, which is ergo, the makeup of its participants.
You can argue till the cows come home on what is or is not beneficial for the JTF.... but consider this...If the BNP were anti-Semitic they would loose their democratically elected councilors; Jewish and Catholic members alike; and many others like us. We joined this party after having weighed up all these facts and saw them put to the litmus test.
As for being National Socialist, there Dhimmi...you loose credibility in your summary- Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Having a jewish representative means nothing(there is this jewish woman representative they have. i saw a picture of her). It means nothing. I heard that evil anti-semitic playright David Haires on TV begin declaring that he had a jewish wife, before going on a diatribe against jews in israel, jewish belief, settlers, e.t.c. . The "some of my best friends are jewish" line is well known. Ahmedinejad knows that line too.
If they do not explicitly support Israel, it's OK. As long as they do not undermine Israel, it's fine by me. Remember, that's all we need. As long as other countries do not actively nor clandestinely fight against Israel, that's all Israel needs. It can take care of itself, with G-d's help. Insofar the BNP fights against the islamization of their country, it is an ally of the Jews. We should support them. You cannot fight both muslims and Jews at the same time. As long as they fighting muslims and not Israel, we are travelling along the same road.
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Hi Masha,
-I would like to thank you for what has been the most objective and reasonable view of any participant so far in this BNP/Pro Israeli debate.
Whereas I have entered this discussion with my own personal opinions and statements of fact, these have (perhaps understandably) been countered at every turn. This has been done by those who have been exposed to a more ignorant, historical perspective of the British nation. If you measured many "mainstream" parties and causes of whatever stripe throughout history they would without exception be anti-Semitic, anti-catholic, anti democratic et. al.
You are right to state the very important and objective points you make and most importantly to judge a party on its fundamentals, which is ergo, the makeup of its participants.
You can argue till the cows come home on what is or is not beneficial for the JTF.... but consider this...If the BNP were anti-Semitic they would loose their democratically elected councilors; Jewish and Catholic members alike; and many others like us. We joined this party after having weighed up all these facts and saw them put to the litmus test.
As for being National Socialist, there Dhimmi...you loose credibility in your summary- Nothing could be further from the truth.
dibblah, stick around. Don't leave the forum, despite the negative reaction to the BNP from some members. People's attitudes might change in the future. I myself have been defending the Swedish Party of Sweden Democrats, which has an unsavory history, but has since changed its ways.
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Thanks Masha- HUGELY appreciated...begining to feel almost like a pariah amongst my own kind! >:(
I think were on the same wavelength and so is every other right-thinking individual in Europe who is trying to stem the tide of Isalmification.
I will of course stick around...I dont quit easily and would rather be judged on my actions rather than words, but hey, this is a forum and here we talk and discuss amongst our friends....Jewish and Christians who will not be enslaved...
God Bless.
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Having a jewish representative means nothing(there is this jewish woman representative they have. i saw a picture of her). It means nothing. I heard that evil anti-semitic playright David Haires on TV begin declaring that he had a jewish wife, before going on a diatribe against jews in israel, jewish belief, settlers, e.t.c. . The "some of my best friends are jewish" line is well known. Ahmedinejad knows that line too.
If they do not explicitly support Israel, it's OK. As long as they do not undermine Israel, it's fine by me. Remember, that's all we need. As long as other countries do not actively nor clandestinely fight against Israel, that's all Israel needs. It can take care of itself, with G-d's help. Insofar the BNP fights against the islamization of their country, it is an ally of the Jews. We should support them. You cannot fight both muslims and Jews at the same time. As long as they fighting muslims and not Israel, we are travelling along the same road.
They can fight muslims and jews at the same time.
domestically . In britain, jews have to deal with white thugs(who will white thugs vote for - if they vote?). British jewish school children are too aware of the classic council estate thug.
Then there are faith schools(jewish,catholic,muslim,..) in britain, the secular education is subsidised by the govt, like govt schools. But the religious education, jewish parents pay for. With the BNP, I seriously doubt that any jewish schools would be supported. In contrast, the Blair - now Brown, labour government pledges its support to them! As did and would the Conservatives. They even make stupid speeches about how jewish schools are an example for other faith schools. I would rather that than they abandon them
Given the anti-semitic threat from muslims, we have community members guarding synagogues. The CST(community security trust) organises it - working closely with police. But we have also had police officers guarding it.. Moreso on busy times like festivals. (it is their job to protect the public). I seriously doubt you would get that under the BNP.
Sure it would cause no problem for Israel. But for jews living in britain, the consequences would be bad. The anti-semites will have had their party elected. They will be empowered.
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You are drasctically wrong my friend...If you read the BNP manifesto we are committed to preserving the "Judaic/Christian tradition of our peoples of the British Isles." -The labour/liberal/conservative conspiracy of the self serving nose-in-the-trough traitors has been exposed...for signing us over to a European Superstate (That wants to include Turkey) and to all the 5 million + Muslims who have settled here -(MOSTLY ILLEGALLY). Now the Anglican Archbishop is proposing Sharia Law!- My God- how far have we gone and where will it end?
IF the BNP were in power the majority of these muslims/illegal immigrants and asylum seekers would be re-patriated, to their own countries as is right in international Law.- We demand this and no Sharia law and no self serving politicians. Fianaly, every Jew could rest easy knowing that they live in a country that outside Israel is their second home.- This has for a long time been the case and we died in our 100's of thousands to fight for freedom against the Nazis.- I dont think that anything the Jews and Israel are being gaurrunted today comes anywhere close to the BNP commitment to the Jews and Christians.- Make no mistake..this is not a Blair/Labour doublespeak..this is action.....Choose your side the war has already begun and we are on the front line again.
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Neither are you BNP supporters true right wingers. You are class warriors, nothing more than a racist and anti-semetic verison of Labour, that just don't want to share your dole and nanny state with non-whites.
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That was an ingenious observation from dhimmi_pride. (and amusing too)
And regarding what dibblah said about BNP being pro israel. If even you mean pro israel like the Blair labour party - and I doubt it. No party in britain is pro israel. Some parties may be pro israeli government, but that is something else, and actually, that is bad! To be pro israel means saying israel should not give up any land, speaking out against the disengagement where the israeli government trampled over religious jewish settlers with horses and beat them with batons. No british political party does that. Anyhow, I do not expect them to, their goals should be for britain.
And their goal for britain is just what dhimmi_pride said!
Except they break up Britain into English, and non english. Not white and non white.
Jews are not considered English (even today british asians , blacks, jews, e.t.c. are not considered English by anybody). I do not know the details of the differences in how the English and non english would be treated, but that is the idea.
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historical immigration:
I consider the Ashkenazim and Sephardi Jews as autochtone Europeans. As I do regard Gypsies as European people.
If you live for 20 generations here, that makes you a European.
No Racism here.
Jews are free to live here, and keep their identity.
However, Jews should consider themselves as Jews first.
I don't have to tell what Jews must or mustn't do or think, but, JTF itself states Jews cannot intermarry, or convert to other faiths,
and still call themselves Jews.
Zionism is the movement, that organised Jews to go back to the Holy Land.
That I support 100%.
The best way to be a strong, proud (instead of self-hating) Nation,
is to have a country where you are the majority, and were minorities have no power (now, or anywhere in the future) to rule over you.
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recent mass-immigration in Europe: (unprecedented the last 2000 years!!!)
Non-Europeans such as Turks, Middle Eastern people, North-Africans, Black Africans, Asian, Chinese, Japanese, South-American,...
people, are welcome here,
under the condition that:
- they cannot become a majority, and thus outnumbering, and take over our continent.
So their number is already dangerously high-> no need for extra immigrants, but for sending back as much as we can:
illegals, and criminals, welfare-parasites, dangerous terrorists, such as muslims...
-> need for a higher European (white) birthrate.
-> need for a political change, more support for Israel, and less socialist policies.
Nationalist parties, should be encouraged, helped to grow,
to defend our national identities, interests,
to combat communist policies (mass-immigration, feminism, homosexuality, atheism, liberalism, anti-Judaism, anti-Christiannity)
To ensure, we , the Western Civilisation can remain the civilisation it is, and the third world doesn't destroy us.
There is a growing number of right-wing, anti-immigrationalists that understand Israel and Europe share the same needs for securing its future and its existence.
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In the 70's and 80's there were extreme elements that tried to hijack the party. These wre Nazi thugs and scum. This is why the media today feels they have a axe to grind against us. This sick ideology couldn't be further from the truth of who we are and what we stand for.
I am not going to deny it;- Some of these fringe people and their views were anti-semitic. All of these people- (like 20 years ago) have been expelled from the party. I can tell you now as a BNP activist that if any of these sentiments were even simmering below the surface, I would run a mile from the Party and denounce them at every occassion. The British are a North Atlantic people with a Christian Judaic tradition and I will be prepared to die defending that. The same as my father and grand father did before me.
I think you have to look at this attempt by the Nazis at this time as symptomatic of the extremes that were pushing for recognition. Any Right wing party at the time was subject to hijack by any extreme right wing movement going. As the new media age has progressed this confusion and anti-message clap-trap can be flicked out as soon as it rears its ugly head.
Read the web-site and decide for youself. We are actually (even in this cynical world) 100% genuine. Take it or leave it.
Here is a speech John Tyndall (the former head, since expelled by current head)
gave in 2004 (According to the youtube title)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6pIqPOGbqs&feature=related
He quotes a woman that said we need Hitler..
The audience applauded.
Why applause? why wasn`t he booed?
This is really a semi serious comment by Tyndall, considering his founding of the national front. Association with some white power organisation (wikipedia has more)..
In 1998 he criticises Michael Howard - not for his policies - which as a Conservative politician are not too different to Labour. But he criticised him for not being English
You see the audience in that video, he got huge applause. Sure, was a great speaker.
And he made some good points, which stress the foundation of the BNP, without which, they fight for nothing. No intermarriage with other races. Preservation of the english/white race. Because you cannot preserve english culture and way of life if you live with somebody with foreign values. He said it better.. And he has a point. And I don`t want jews intermarrying either. But unfortunately, I can see him being unsympathetic(understatement) to problems facing jews in britain, relative to problems facing people he cares about.
In france, when there were riots some years ago, and masses of jewish immigration, and fear of Le Penne getting in. I was in favour of the french voting Le Penne (if he truly was a racist right winger), as long as all the jews of france were leaving france. Vote le penne, but then leave!! Britain has not reached that stage where all jews have fled for their lives, and neither has France, thank G-d.
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In the 70's and 80's there were extreme elements that tried to hijack the party. These wre Nazi thugs and scum. This is why the media today feels they have a axe to grind against us. This sick ideology couldn't be further from the truth of who we are and what we stand for.
I am not going to deny it;- Some of these fringe people and their views were anti-semitic. All of these people- (like 20 years ago) have been expelled from the party. I can tell you now as a BNP activist that if any of these sentiments were even simmering below the surface, I would run a mile from the Party and denounce them at every occassion. The British are a North Atlantic people with a Christian Judaic tradition and I will be prepared to die defending that. The same as my father and grand father did before me.
I think you have to look at this attempt by the Nazis at this time as symptomatic of the extremes that were pushing for recognition. Any Right wing party at the time was subject to hijack by any extreme right wing movement going. As the new media age has progressed this confusion and anti-message clap-trap can be flicked out as soon as it rears its ugly head.
Read the web-site and decide for youself. We are actually (even in this cynical world) 100% genuine. Take it or leave it.
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In the 70's and 80's there were extreme elements that tried to hijack the party. These wre Nazi thugs and scum. This is why the media today feels they have a axe to grind against us. This sick ideology couldn't be further from the truth of who we are and what we stand for.
I am not going to deny it;- Some of these fringe people and their views were anti-semitic. All of these people- (like 20 years ago) have been expelled from the party. I can tell you now as a BNP activist that if any of these sentiments were even simmering below the surface, I would run a mile from the Party and denounce them at every occassion. The British are a North Atlantic people with a Christian Judaic tradition and I will be prepared to die defending that. The same as my father and grand father did before me.
I think you have to look at this attempt by the Nazis at this time as symptomatic of the extremes that were pushing for recognition. Any Right wing party at the time was subject to hijack by any extreme right wing movement going. As the new media age has progressed this confusion and anti-message clap-trap can be flicked out as soon as it rears its ugly head.
Read the web-site and decide for youself. We are actually (even in this cynical world) 100% genuine. Take it or leave it.
Here is a speech John Tyndall (the former head, since expelled by current head)
gave in 2004 (According to the youtube title)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6pIqPOGbqs&feature=related
He quotes a woman that said we need Hitler..
The audience applauded.
Why applause? why wasn`t he booed?
This is really a semi serious comment by Tyndall, considering his founding of the national front. Association with some white power organisation (wikipedia has more)..
In 1998 he criticises Michael Howard - not for his policies - which as a Conservative politician are not too different to Labour. But he criticised him for not being English
You see the audience in that video, he got huge applause. Sure, was a great speaker.
And he made some good points, which stress the foundation of the BNP, without which, they fight for nothing. No intermarriage with other races. Preservation of the english/white race. Because you cannot preserve english culture and way of life if you live with somebody with foreign values. He said it better.. And he has a point. And I don`t want jews intermarrying either. But unfortunately, I can see him being unsympathetic(understatement) to problems facing jews in britain, relative to problems facing people he cares about.
In france, when there were riots some years ago, and masses of jewish immigration, and fear of Le Penne getting in. I was in favour of the french voting Le Penne (if he truly was a racist right winger), as long as all the jews of france were leaving france. Vote le penne, but then leave!! Britain has not reached that stage where all jews have fled for their lives, and neither has France, thank G-d.
Jean-Marie Le Pen will be dead in a few years from now.
Then, hopefully, pro-Israel right-wing will become dominant.
Europe has become dangerous for Jews, the muslims are attacking graveyards, Synagogues, Jews in the streets,
even killing , torturing a Jew a couple of years ago.
Same thing in Antwerp, Belgium.
Anti-semitism is not over.
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course
But it is not just muslims jews are having problems with. Most jews do not live in muslim areas.
Big problems from white "rap/crap culture" thugs on council estates. They hassle everybody, not just jews.
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We need big nationalist parties in every European country, and a massive fraction in the European Parliament,
to protect Europe from becoming an Afro-Asian Zoo.
That everybody agrees with, that is a little bit concerned about the future of the Western "First" World.
That said, Nazism killed its own elite scientists , Jews, and it killed millions of whites, the Russians, and Serbs, ....
Therefore, the whole idea of waging war against Slavonic and Jewish "inferior" races, is total crap.
On the contrary, thanks to adolf h., and his extermination-madness, we have this massive colonisation of Europe by Africans and Asians.
True Nationalism RESPECTS itself, AND RESPECT other nations!!
Every people has a right to self-determination, and therefore, the Jews have the right to inhabit the lands where they were
expelled from in '70 by the Romans.
Europeans have a right for self-determination too:
that means that we, Europeans have the duty to defend our countries, and the right to expell,
by force, groups of immigrants that are to become majority,
and have a hostile attitude to the indigenous population.
We don't have the duty to sit still while Europe AND THE REST OF THE WESTERN WORLD is being invaded and colonised by non-Europeans, white-hating scum.
Jews have been harrassed all history, in all European countries.
After WWII, Nazism was defeated, but it is powerful in muslim countries today.
That is why nationalist European governments, together with Israel, USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Russia, must expell all muslims from its territories,
unless they convert, and prove they are no muslims any longer.
BUT: the most important thing is to RAISE THE JEWISH AND WHITE EUROPEAN-USA-CANADIAN-RUSSIAN-AUSTRALIAN-SOUTH-AFRICAN-WHITE-SOUTH-AMERICAN BIRTHRATES!!!
OR WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH SOLDIERS TO FIGHT THE MUSLIM-ARMIES!
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They can fight muslims and jews at the same time.
domestically . In britain, jews have to deal with white thugs(who will white thugs vote for - if they vote?). British jewish school children are too aware of the classic council estate thug.
I suspect that the majority of thugs are muslims, not white. If muslims are thrown out, the threat to British Jews would be much, much smaller. Small emough to be manageable.
Secondly, white thugs would still exist whether they vote for the BNP or not. The important point is whether the BNP supports them or not. If they do not support the attacks on Jews (and they don't now), it might even have a positive influence on their members.
Then there are faith schools(jewish,catholic,muslim,..) in britain, the secular education is subsidised by the govt, like govt schools. But the religious education, jewish parents pay for. With the BNP, I seriously doubt that any jewish schools would be supported. In contrast, the Blair - now Brown, labour government pledges its support to them! As did and would the Conservatives. They even make stupid speeches about how jewish schools are an example for other faith schools. I would rather that than they abandon them
Given the anti-semitic threat from muslims, we have community members guarding synagogues. The CST(community security trust) organises it - working closely with police. But we have also had police officers guarding it.. Moreso on busy times like festivals. (it is their job to protect the public). I seriously doubt you would get that under the BNP.
Sure it would cause no problem for Israel. But for jews living in britain, the consequences would be bad. The anti-semites will have had their party elected. They will be empowered.
I am going to say something that will probably be very unpopular with some members here. I support the idea of a nationalist and nationalistic state. I support it for the same reason I support the idea of the Jewish state as the state by and for the Jews. If I supported Zionism and did not extend the same courtesy to other ethnic states, I would be a hypocrite.
Having said that, I'll clarify that, to me, the idea of a nationalistic state is inimical to the multicultural paradigm. Such a state promotes and celebrates its own culture and frowns on a too assertive a celebration of minority cultures. I do not believe that such a state should be 100% minority-free, because all countries have some percentage of immigrants, but the demographics should be kept under control and the expressions of minority cultures should be inhibited. A minority member should have a clear sense that he is living in a host culture, and he should either assimilate or go to the country of his origin. In other words, in a nationalist state, minority cultures should exist "in the closet," as it were.
Ultimately, Jews should go live in Israel. The existence of Jews in other countries than Israel in the historical period when Israel exists is a contradiction. I know, there are sometimes good reasons why a particular Jew has not made an aliya. But while Jews live in other Western countries, they should not try to turn them into multicultural societies and undermine their Christian heritage. If they want to send their kids to Jewish schools, there is Israel. I am not familiar with the issue of the "support of Jewish schools." If you mean that Jewish schools receive government money then I'm against it. In the US, all religious schools are private. If you want your child to go to a Catholic school or a Jewish school, you have to pay out of your own wallet. If it's the question of allowing Jewish schools at all, even if they operate privately and don't take any government subsidies, then it's a different story. I would allow them, as long as there aren't too many of these schools and they are loyal to the state. Has the BNP said that they will not allow private Jewish schools?
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Every people has a right to self-determination, and therefore, the Jews have the right to inhabit the lands where they were
expelled from in '70 by the Romans.
Agreed!
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Minorities that are willing to contribute in a positive way to our society are welcome,
regardless of their skin-color. Assimilation is not necessary, Jews e.g. shouldn't convert to Christianity,
because, Jews will never attack us , or plan to destroy our nation.
History proves this. Protocols of Zion , etc,... are lies.
Islam at the other hand, is a religion of a group of ethnies, that are trying for the third time
to steal our continent, destroy our race/ethnos, our civilisation, and our religion, political system.
A Muslim that is fully endorsing the way of life we have,
and that is a real good person,
is not an enemy by definition , for me.
But I think, we should force these people, to leave Islam,
because, in its true form , it is totally uncompatible with the Western Civilisation.
There is no problem at all , with people who fully assimilate.
The race-factor is important,
Each nation should have the right to refuse , and prevent to become a minority in its own land.
But the problem is not only immigration, it is also the negative birthrate!!
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GOOD points Ambroix and Masha you can't resist multicultism in Israel and endorse it in USA and Europe becouse besides being hipocritic it will end in Jews taking fire from all. Like in all wars you have to choose side. Multicultism and naive worshing of tolerance won't stop Jihaad the BNP thugs can.
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how are you defining multiculturalism?
the idea that people of other cultures can live in the country and have rights?
And what is opposing multiculturalism? deporting other races?
Israel was founded as a jewish state..
For religious jews, it is a religious, not racial thing.
For secular jews, it is meant to be a safeguard against another holocaust. Now jews can have a country and defend themselves against another country.
Israel really is different from other countries.
I am not in favour of multiculturalism.. This whole learning about other cultures thing.. it tears britain apart. BNP is an answer, but BNP is bad for the jews. At best it is a huge gamble.
Would racists be expelled if BNP had power? or would they be roaming the streets and the authorities would turn a blind eye to them. Nick Griffin would not want to bite the hand that feeds him.
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there always was UKIP as an alternative.. I just called them(why not, freephone number!). According to the female on the other end of the telephone , Apparently Kilroy Silk left years ago started his own party. and now lives in spain.
They have this forum here..
http://www.ukipforum.co.uk/ which leads to
http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/
I don`t know if they are bigger or small than the BNP. They do not have the racist history.
They are probably almost unknown now that kilroy left.
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how are you defining multiculturalism?
in a negative way : destroying our culture , deliberate one-world-policy to create chaos, to be able to divide and conquer.
Also, the naive idea to "integrate" third worlders non-culture,non-civilised people in Europe.
In a positive way: creating a better culture, by learning from others: the culture of Europe, from the dark ages till 1900, where all nations have influenced eachother, etc,...
and created a culture, that had many different faces.
The culture we inherited, the foundations are Jewish-Roman-German-Greek.
That's good multi-culture.
the idea that people of other cultures can live in the country and have rights?
That is impossible, you cannot put people from totally different backgrounds in one place, and expect a homogene society after 30 years of integration....
And what is opposing multiculturalism? deporting other races?
nationalism, without intolerance per se, but more assertive than now.
At least borders must be garded, and illigal, third world people deported.
Israel was founded as a jewish state..
For religious jews, it is a religious, not racial thing.
For secular jews, it is meant to be a safeguard against another holocaust. Now jews can have a country and defend themselves against another country.
Israel really is different from other countries.
I am not in favour of multiculturalism.. This whole learning about other cultures thing.. it tears britain apart. BNP is an answer, but BNP is bad for the jews. At best it is a huge gamble.
multiculturalism is the end of our culture, if we don't stop it.
Would racists be expelled if BNP had power?
Who knows what England and Europe will be like in 2030 or 2050?
Isn't racism coming from both sides?
We should expell all immigrants that are hostile to us.
or would they be roaming the streets and the authorities would turn a blind eye to them. Nick Griffin would not want to bite the hand that feeds him.
The authorities will not be BNP. They will be Labor - Socialist, and "Muslim Democrats".
Unless a miracle happens, BNP will be 1-2% at most.
I think Europe will have a civil war in 2030-2050.
We will be a minority already.
There are now as much North-africans/Black africans born in some parts of Europe
as Whites.
This ethno-racial-religious cocktail "multiculturalism" will explode and lead to a new balance.
Only G-d knows what will become of our grandchildren.
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Israel was founded as a jewish state..
For religious jews, it is a religious, not racial thing.
For secular jews, it is meant to be a safeguard against another holocaust. Now jews can have a country and defend themselves against another country.
I categorically disagree with your de-emphasizing the importance of the Jewish ethnicity. Jews are a people, who have descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. To say that the only reason Israel is important to secular Jews is to serve as a safeguard against the Holocaust is to say too little. Believe me, I know a lot of secular Jews, who value the idea of the Jewish national home as a place where they can live together with other Jews and promote their Jewish culture. Many (secular) Jews have said what a special feeling it is to live in a country that is all your own, that is the home of people to whom you are related by blood, how special it is to be surrounded by Jewish faces and by people with the same mentality. This is a whole aspect that is separate from the religious one but that serves as a strong reason for a zionist sentiment even among those Jews who are not religious. There are a lot of Jews who have Jewish nationalist feelings and will fight for their right to have a national home.
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Would racists be expelled if BNP had power? or would they be roaming the streets and the authorities would turn a blind eye to them. Nick Griffin would not want to bite the hand that feeds him.
The authorities already turn a blind eye to them. I don't believe the situation will be worse under the BNP, if only because they will expell some muslims that make up the current army of antisemitic thugs.
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Israel was founded as a jewish state..
For religious jews, it is a religious, not racial thing.
For secular jews, it is meant to be a safeguard against another holocaust. Now jews can have a country and defend themselves against another country.
I categorically disagree with your de-emphasizing the importance of the Jewish ethnicity. Jews are a people, who have descended from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. To say that the only reason Israel is important to secular Jews is to serve as a safeguard against the Holocaust is to say too little. Believe me, I know a lot of secular Jews, who value the idea of the Jewish national home as a place where they can live together with other Jews and promote their Jewish culture. Many (secular) Jews have said what a special feeling it is to live in a country that is all your own, that is the home of people to whom you are related by blood, how special it is to be surrounded by Jewish faces and by people with the same mentality. This is a whole aspect that is separate from the religious one but that serves as a strong reason for a zionist sentiment even among those Jews who are not religious. There are a lot of Jews who have Jewish nationalist feelings and will fight for their right to have a national home.
In "Why Be Jewish", Rav Kahane wrote about these cultural jews. In a few generations they intermarry. And in israel, those that would intermarry in the diaspora, in israel become "israelis" that say they are not jewish.
You know I am actually reading in these times eg last year, people saying what the model characters in "why be jewish" said!
Natalie Portman, in an interview she gave to the JC, said something like , she does not see herself as jewish, she sees herself as a human being.. That is almost exactly the words Rav Kahane put into the girls mouth in "why be jewish", she says something like, "Why should I be jewish? Why not just be a human being? Why have these divisions? e.t.c."
And if you really want to get a taste.. Go to the "jewish museum" in camden town - a fairly secular liberal museum. They had (and prob still have), a screen where they ask kids what it means to them to be jewish. One says supporting Spurs (football team). Another says eating doughnuts outside some famous kosher bakery that young jews meet up at and crowd around. One real reason was given by an Orthodox girl, rabbi sacks`s daughter (because we believe G-d gave us the torah on sinai, and we have these commandments to keep).
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Would racists be expelled if BNP had power? or would they be roaming the streets and the authorities would turn a blind eye to them. Nick Griffin would not want to bite the hand that feeds him.
The authorities already turn a blind eye to them. I don't believe the situation will be worse under the BNP, if only because they will expell some muslims that make up the current army of antisemitic thugs.
I did hear that pupils of one jewish school do have a police escort.
Expelling muslims would help jews living in muslim areas though.. generally the strictly orthodox community. Muslim areas are cheaper , and the strictly orthodox jews live poorly and have around 10 children!!!
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suppose nick griffin has changed, and from the articles I have read on his website, it looks like he might have..
He wants races to be separate, marry within themselves, e.t.c. How are they, as a government, going to stop one man banging a girl of another race, if he so desires it.
Out of 1000 white men, there has to be a few that like black girls. What`s the government going to do to stop them?
And you`ll have black men who like white women, and white women who want that. Same problem for them.. They cannot stop it.
It is possible to try to stop these things at a family level, but not at a govt level.
I guess Nick Griffin doesn`t like brazilian girls! Has anybody asked him?!
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Large BNP group cheer as woman declares they are not nazis..
But also , as dhimmi_pride said, that they are socialists like old labour, in support of the working class
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA_Xko4tqM
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suppose nick griffin has changed, and from the articles I have read on his website, it looks like he might have..
He wants races to be separate, marry within themselves, e.t.c. How are they, as a government, going to stop one man banging a girl of another race, if he so desires it.
Out of 1000 white men, there has to be a few that like black girls. What`s the government going to do to stop them?
And you`ll have black men who like white women, and white women who want that. Same problem for them.. They cannot stop it.
It is possible to try to stop these things at a family level, but not at a govt level.
I guess Nick Griffin doesn`t like brazilian girls! Has anybody asked him?!
ADDED--
Large BNP group cheer as woman declares they are not nazis..
But also , as dhimmi_pride said, that they are socialists like old labour, in support of the working class
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA_Xko4tqM
Of course it is easy to prevent black-white intermarriage.
I think it would be great to reduce the number of "evil blacks", [and North-Africans, Pakistans,....] living and breeding in Europe!
Make it illegal for evil blacks [...] to live outside Africa. Deport them.
Revoke their British nationality.
Problem solved. The remaining "good blacks" maybe should leave in their own interest as well,
to help develop their homeland in Africa.
Europe is a continent for whites, not a race-mixing bolshevik zoo.
Some intermarriage is not harming. In the 60-70ties it was OK.
But now, 1,000,000 are coming in , and nobody has the right to complain,...
Come on, let's be honest, ....
that's not immigration anymore, that's invasion!
I haven't studied or found any information on BNP's economical program. Can't comment on that.
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Ambroix has the point you cannot continue with this level of 3rd world imigration, dumbing down of culture, multicultism, socialism if only becouse we can't longer efort it; we have to compete on markets with America and SE Asia, and our families and societies, and economies are crumbling; we need to impose more responibility, private initiative and higher moral standarts or we'll be absorbed by iSSlamic Borg or conquered by China in one or two generations. That's are utillitarian concerns apart from religius ones, I don't want to live in Sodom and Gomorah. I'm quite allergic to fire and brimstone or their modern counterparts the global warming or new ice age.
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That's is the idea I promote:
Nationalism, to defend ourselves.
A strong Europe, of sovereign nations, not a EUSSR-multi-cul-zoo, will be beneficial for the survival of Israel and USA.
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You know.. dibbles is probably a good guy.
But generally speaking, not just the BNP party, but the professionals, the BNP leaders, you cannot trust a word they say.
Nick Griffin used to be very public with his anti-semitic views.. holohoax, jews controlling the media. Then all of a sudden, he claims to have changed his views. He spoke of casting off the iron leg of anti-semitism (iron leg because he thinks it holds them back)..
Isn`t it strange for somebody`s views to suddenly change..
Now
See this from wikipedia
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The 2002 Channel 4 documentary Young, Nazi and Proud featured hidden-camera footage of the then BNP youth leader Mark Collett stating his admiration for Adolf Hitler, and stating "I'd never say this on camera, the Jews have been thrown out of every country including England. It's not just persecution. There's no smoke without fire." It also featured footage of visitors to the party's annual "Red White and Blue" festival, some of whom wore the legend "88" (code for HH, "Heil Hitler").[35] Collett resigned from the party after the documentary's filming, but rejoined shortly afterwards, with Nick Griffin's approval, on the condition that Collett changed his views on the subject.
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note- these documentaries are on youtube.. there is another called "Secret Agent" where a journalist goes undercover
So it seems BNP leaders have a magic way to suddenly change their views overnight.
Nick Griffin - the leader. And Mark Collett, youth leader (once called BNP youth - reminiscent of Hitler Youth).
Now see the video seems like not such a bad guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae8ffRrH9zA
one of his friends is from germany, another is a skinhead, could be coincidence of course!
But you see the real mark collett as mentioned in that paragraph from the wikipedia article.
And what about John Tyndall - also expelled , and not allowed back apparently, given that he is not hiding certain views..
In this article he himself says certain things or words are not done/said, for tactical reasons..
He is pragmatic..
Here in an article on why they do not need jewish candidates..
And he says he has a big folder from correspondance with nick griffin.. with nick griffin`s views. very anti-semitic stuff..
Do you reall think he changed them suddenly?
yeah right..
like Mark Collett - BNP youth leader. (now called Young BNP.. But apparently was called BNP Youth - ring any bells - Hitler Youth - coincidence? I get the idea. No, it is not coincidence).
They hide their beliefs in order to get power. If they had power it would be the nazi party in power.
It is like muslims who are all "peaceful" and likeable - relatively speaking - when they are the underdog..
But when they think they can win.. Or when they do win power.. Then it`s a different story. then you get the real muslim. The muslim in the mosque.
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BNP will remain a neo-Nazi dominated party, if they don't get more than 0,7% of the votes.
Vlaams Belang now has since some years about 20 % of the votes,
and those skinheads/nazis/scum are thrown out.
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Israeli and Jewish is the same. It's impossible to be Israeli and not being Jewish unless you are just an Israeli citizen. All Israelis are Jews, other are ___-Israelis [E.G.: Arab-Israelis].
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BNP will remain a neo-Nazi dominated party, if they don't get more than 0,7% of the votes.
Vlaams Belang now has since some years about 20 % of the votes,
and those skinheads/nazis/scum are thrown out.
I am talking about their leadership though.. not even their current pool of voters.
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Israeli and Jewish is the same. It's impossible to be Israeli and not being Jewish unless you are just an Israeli citizen. All Israelis are Jews, other are ___-Israelis [E.G.: Arab-Israelis].
I do not just mean accidentally jewish.. I do not mean a factual thing, like bring a british citizen
And by the way.. if secular israelis were in the diaspora, they would intermarry, and their children or grandchildren would not be jewish. Because they had no reason to be jewish, their children and grandchildren have no reason, and are not. Just so happens that in israel, their neighbours are mostly jewish.
You might want to read the book "Why be jewish" by the rav, and you will understand what I mean.
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There is also a big difference between patriotism in britain, and patriotism in america.
In america, patriotism is mainstream and pervasive.
In britain, patriotism is not mainstream at all. People are very ambivalent about it to the extent that nobody talks of "being english" except the kind of people that do not consider jews to be english. We say British(the scottish and irish and welsh, say scottish, irish, welsh).
Britain is not a religious country.. We do not have this blend of religion with patriotism..
In Britain, patriotism, has been hijacked, not by religious evangelical christians - that would be great. But by racists. People who behind closed doors dream of an "england" with no minorities, and dream of killing them. People that behind closed doors, empathise with Hitler.
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Israeli and Jewish is the same. It's impossible to be Israeli and not being Jewish unless you are just an Israeli citizen. All Israelis are Jews, other are ___-Israelis [E.G.: Arab-Israelis].
I do not just mean accidentally jewish.. I do not mean a factual thing, like bring a british citizen
And by the way.. if secular israelis were in the diaspora, they would intermarry, and their children or grandchildren would not be jewish. Because they had no reason to be jewish, their children and grandchildren have no reason, and are not. Just so happens that in israel, their neighbours are mostly jewish.
You might want to read the book "Why be jewish" by the rav, and you will understand what I mean.
There almost no real seculer Jews in Israel, most are tradional and most of tham don't really like non-Jews.
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I don`t really know what "most israelis do not really like non jews" means..
Except in the context of it coming from a 14 year old israeli who does not know any non jews except arab muslims, and countries that are anti israel.
It is stupid.. Jews in the diaspora work with non jews, and even socialise with them sometimes. And those that do not socialise with non jews, they avoid it not because they do not like non jews, but because they believe that the torah demands that we be a separate people, with a mission.
Non orthodox jews come up with all sorts of stupid reasons to justify "being jewish". Besides the accident at birth.
she says
"I would have to change my name, have plastic surgery, to do that would be sick
"it would be throwing away my heritage"
a response "so her idea of a jew is somebody with a big nose called rabinowitz. "
she says.
"I am proud of being jewish, because jews never tried to force other people to follow their religion"
a response "That`s it? That is pathetic. "
another response "Buddists didn`t either. Why not be a buddist? oh, i guess `cos she`s got a big nose and her name`s rabinowitz. Still, there are many buddist jews. Why not be atheist? Oh yeah, she is "
she is also proud of being from some american state because they were the first state to do abolition of slavery..
I cannot remember the response the guy gave to that one! Something about christianity being a part of that I think!!
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Look this is getting fairly frustrating... How many times do I have to write it to get the message accross?....
The BNP supports the preservation of all north Atlantic peoples in their country which has been thier birthright for several millenia. The BNP seeks to defend the Christian/Judaic tradition of its peoples against all outsiders and userpers.
This is the 1st line of our party manefesto. If this is not clear enough and you would still like to know more, goto the website: http://www.bnp.org.uk
At some point you have to accept that your closest allies are really on your side as well. We would dearly love to see the crushing of all terrorist activity against the Jewish homeland and the implementation of many of the policies that Chiam advocates. In this de-sensitised world the things that we both advocate are considered violent and reactionary by most of the liberal western population. It's because "people do not riot against the state with bread in their stomachs' -Trotsky- and more laterly, from Platoon: "you gotta be rich in the first palce to think like that". These statements are massively prophetic.
It is not food and land we are fighting for, but a way of life..it is like a new cold war but against a caliphate this time. -Accept support at face value and dont denigrate it... we have few enough allies as it is! The UK would protect Isrealis as their own,...you know this, please lets not drag up the past..... We could be here all night ...LOL
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It`s not really just the past though..
Nick Griffim the current leader had anti-semitic views that he changed suddenly (now nobody hears them)
The BNP Youth leader - David Collett - in a secretly filmed thing - identified with/ praised Hitler. And has a history with the "National Front"... Heck, Nick Griffin admitted to having attended the meetings in the past. As had the previous head.
Do you see a pattern here? Even the BNP Youth leader changed his mind overnight.. allegedly. But he got caught speaking his mind in a secretly filmed thing. Praising Hitler..
And the late founder of the BNP John Tyndall.. (you see him wearing a badge round his arm like a nazi) Of course, you could say that is the past(though he got big claps in 2004). But the present you have nick griffin, and of course David Collett..
The fact is.. You don`t lead a party founded by a nazi, with a short history , full of leaders involved with nazism and anti-semitism, from the founder onwards. From the youth leaders to the mature leaders. You don`t lead a party like that and claim not to be a nazi type, and expect to be taken seriously as not being a nazi type.
I mentioned earlier that Nick Griffin said anti-semitism is an iron leg cast they have or are trying to shake off.. (obviously implying that it holds them back). And I said, well if they gain power.. they will be anti-semitic. Then in a secretly taped thing, I hear a BNP guy saying we can`t kill all the "pakis" until we take power. Now, you think they won`t say that about jews??!!
I am sure you are not a knave, but don`t be a fool.
If you want to be ideological.. UKIP are probably closest to BNP minus racism.
But BNP are racist anti-semitic thugs. Nick Griffin did boxing at cambridge.. and he sees David collett as what he was like when he was young!!! We are not talking about great tough people like rabbi kahane or the JDL. These are nazi thugs! In suits. The press are not exaggerating!
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q_q,
My dear friend you are so wrong...I said in a previous post that if for one second I believed that the BNP were anti-semetic I would run a mile and moreover I would fight against them at every possible chance.-This position has not changed and will always be the case.
I have a BSc hons degree from a "red-brick" British University and a masters degree in business admin. Additionally, I have worked in the private sector for the last 12 years and have some insight into how things work. Furthermore I've done massive amounts of historical and recent research on this matter and I have talked to several wise men on this subject. You can carry on bleating about BNP and anti-semitism, but the [censored] simply does not stick my friend.
My apologies for puting it so crudely but I feel that the message is not getting accross.
How about this with no strings attached:
1. We love the Juadic people as our brothers.
2. We will do whatever it takes to preserve the Jewish homeland of Israel.
3. We will fight and resist at every level the cause of the Islamic nations to takeover and dominate our faiths.
4. We will expel all muslims from our country.
At what point do we differ in our goals? -I would love to know...
If you cannot find fault with these gaols then cease and desist.
We have much bigger battles to fight.
God bless.
Dibbs Nutz
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I don`t really know what "most israelis do not really like non jews" means..
Except in the context of it coming from a 14 year old israeli who does not know any non jews except arab muslims, and countries that are anti israel.
It is stupid.. Jews in the diaspora work with non jews, and even socialise with them sometimes. And those that do not socialise with non jews, they avoid it not because they do not like non jews, but because they believe that the torah demands that we be a separate people, with a mission.
Non orthodox jews come up with all sorts of stupid reasons to justify "being jewish". Besides the accident at birth.
she says
"I would have to change my name, have plastic surgery, to do that would be sick
"it would be throwing away my heritage"
a response "so her idea of a jew is somebody with a big nose called rabinowitz. "
she says.
"I am proud of being jewish, because jews never tried to force other people to follow their religion"
a response "That`s it? That is pathetic. "
another response "Buddists didn`t either. Why not be a buddist? oh, i guess `cos she`s got a big nose and her name`s rabinowitz. Still, there are many buddist jews. Why not be atheist? Oh yeah, she is "
she is also proud of being from some american state because they were the first state to do abolition of slavery..
I cannot remember the response the guy gave to that one! Something about christianity being a part of that I think!!
Quit decrying the will of non-religiouse Jews to stay Jewish, especielly quit decrying me and who I know and how. I am correct I tell you, Jews here don't like non-Jews (especially Christians, because of what they did us in the past etc'), and they will always want to marrie with Jews.
If she is proud to be Jewish because of that reason, great for her. I don't understand what's the problem on that.
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http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=6023.0
Are we supporting BNP yes or no?
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I don't.
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Quit decrying the will of non-religiouse Jews to stay Jewish, especielly quit decrying me and who I know and how. I am correct I tell you, Jews here don't like non-Jews (especially Christians, because of what they did us in the past etc'), and they will always want to marrie with Jews.
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I said that secular israelis if they were in the diaspora would intermarry.. and their children or grandchildren would not be jewish.. They have no reason to being jewish besides the an accident at birth.
You decided to take that as a question of "why be jewish" to non religious israelis like yourself. And even from a 14 year old child, you gave the most stupid reason I have ever heard in my life.
And excuse me for being so harsh to a 14 year old (you)
btw, somebody said you were 10. I was under the impression that you were a prodigious 10 year old..
You are great here - 95% of the time. But if you don`t like christians, then why do you like JTF?!!! JTF is an organisation of righteous jews and gentiles - mostly gentiles, and many of them christian. Fighting to save america and israel from islammic terrorism, black rap culture (majourity of blacks!), or other unrighteous threats e.t.c.
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q_q,
My dear friend you are so wrong...I said in a previous post that if for one second I believed that the BNP were anti-semetic I would run a mile and moreover I would fight against them at every possible chance.-This position has not changed and will always be the case.
I have a BSc hons degree from a "red-brick" British University and a masters degree in business admin. Additionally, I have worked in the private sector for the last 12 years and have some insight into how things work. Furthermore I've done massive amounts of historical and recent research on this matter and I have talked to several wise men on this subject. You can carry on bleating about BNP and anti-semitism, but the excrement simply does not stick my friend.
My apologies for puting it so crudely but I feel that the message is not getting accross.
How about this with no strings attached:
1. We love the Juadic people as our brothers.
2. We will do whatever it takes to preserve the Jewish homeland of Israel.
3. We will fight and resist at every level the cause of the Islamic nations to takeover and dominate our faiths.
4. We will expel all muslims from our country.
At what point do we differ in our goals? -I would love to know...
If you cannot find fault with these gaols then cease and desist.
We have much bigger battles to fight.
G-d bless.
Dibbs Nutz
I don`t think it is important for BNP to love jews.
"Fight to preserve the jewish homeland", fine, it may be in BNP`s interests.. Countrys` should do what is in their best interests.
Unfortunately, the facts e.g. facts I gave, facts dhimmi_pride gave, are consistent with BNP hating jews.. Somebody like Collett, who praises Hitler, should not have felt comfortable in the BNP.. let alone be BNP Youth Leader, and Nick Griffin`s right hand man.. A man in whom Nick Griffin sees his young self. This is the present BNP.
I have no idea why you don`t see that they hate jews. But other people do.
They want power. Left wing jewish organisations have made being an anti-semite political suicide. So rather than let it out and fight a war with jews.. They feel they have more chance hiding it from the public, and fighting the muslims.
And unfortunately, most jews are leftists, who do not want to separate from the white english race. And that would not help, in a britain led by the BNP!
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Quit decrying the will of non-religiouse Jews to stay Jewish, especielly quit decrying me and who I know and how. I am correct I tell you, Jews here don't like non-Jews (especially Christians, because of what they did us in the past etc'), and they will always want to marrie with Jews.
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I said that secular israelis if they were in the diaspora would intermarry.. and their children or grandchildren would not be jewish.. They have no reason to being jewish besides the an accident at birth.
You decided to take that as a question of "why be jewish" to non religious israelis like yourself. And even from a 14 year old child, you gave the most stupid reason I have ever heard in my life.
And excuse me for being so harsh to a 14 year old (you)
btw, somebody said you were 10. I was under the impression that you were a prodigious 10 year old..
You are great here - 95% of the time. But if you don`t like christians, then why do you like JTF?!!! JTF is an organisation of righteous jews and gentiles - mostly gentiles, and many of them christian. Fighting to save america and israel from islammic terrorism, black rap culture (majourity of blacks!), or other unrighteous threats e.t.c.
What are talking about ? Do you even know the Israelis that you are making bias assumptions like that ? The people who made Israel were proud [seculer] Jews, people here are proud to be Jews and that have nothing to do with religion. If I remember correctly, 74% of the Jews in Israel who studie in school are proud to be Jewish, and others just don't care they are.
My reason is not stupid, who are you to say what's stupid and what's isn't ? I will be proud of who I am for every reason I would like and not religiouse, leftists, or any other people will tell if I should be proud of somthing or for what reason I should be.
I never said I don't like Christians, you are unable to read or you read things selectivly ? I said most Israelis just DON'Tl like Christians!
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BNP will remain a neo-Nazi dominated party, if they don't get more than 0,7% of the votes.
Vlaams Belang now has since some years about 20 % of the votes,
and those skinheads/nazis/scum are thrown out.
what is 0,7% ?
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Every day more and more people join the BNP. Every day more and more Christians join the BNP. Jews join the BNP! :) Hindus join the BNP. There are more righteous Gentiles as members of JTF than Jews! So what does this mean?
More people realise that nazi muSSie slimbags want to kill us all and only by joining together can we beat these worthless evil wicked apologies for humans!
The BNP is being overrun by PRO Israel people from all walks of life. When the BNP get into power no one man, even if it's Nick Griffin, will be able to go against mainstream grasroots supporters/members.
But you have a choice, you can decry the BNP and chance your arm with "Labour - Conservative - Liberal" ALL of whom fully support hamas and every other nazi anti-Semitic organisation. >:(
Your worse case scenario with the BNP is that they don't care about Israel and won't lift a finger to help her. Wait a minute isn't that just what your getting now from the current eu/brit government?
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Quit decrying the will of non-religiouse Jews to stay Jewish, especielly quit decrying me and who I know and how. I am correct I tell you, Jews here don't like non-Jews (especially Christians, because of what they did us in the past etc'), and they will always want to marrie with Jews.
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I said that secular israelis if they were in the diaspora would intermarry.. and their children or grandchildren would not be jewish.. They have no reason to being jewish besides the an accident at birth.
You decided to take that as a question of "why be jewish" to non religious israelis like yourself. And even from a 14 year old child, you gave the most stupid reason I have ever heard in my life.
And excuse me for being so harsh to a 14 year old (you)
btw, somebody said you were 10. I was under the impression that you were a prodigious 10 year old..
You are great here - 95% of the time. But if you don`t like christians, then why do you like JTF?!!! JTF is an organisation of righteous jews and gentiles - mostly gentiles, and many of them christian. Fighting to save america and israel from islammic terrorism, black rap culture (majourity of blacks!), or other unrighteous threats e.t.c.
What are talking about ? Do you even know the Israelis that you are making bias assumptions like that ? The people who made Israel were proud [seculer] Jews, people here are proud to be Jews and that have nothing to do with religion. If I remember correctly, 74% of the Jews in Israel who studie in school are proud to be Jewish, and others just don't care they are.
My reason is not stupid, who are you to say what's stupid and what's isn't ? I will be proud of who I am for every reason I would like and not religiouse, leftists, or any other people will tell if I should be proud of somthing or for what reason I should be.
I never said I don't like Christians, you are unable to read or you read things selectivly ? I said most Israelis just DON'Tl like Christians!
OK, you don`t not like them. Good. You may even like them.
But you said that most israelis do not like christians, and the context was "Why Be Jewish". As in, I said that if secular Israelis lived in the diaspora, they would intermarry. What reason do secular jews have to be jewish, besides the fact that they were born jewish - so I do not just mean the factual thing, like a passport saying one is british or israeli e.t.c.. You replied that most israelis do not like christians..
That really is a STUPID REASON!
And so now you say you do not include yourself in that group. Well, very good.. It just means that when asked for a reason to be jewish, besides the factual thing. The reason you gave is not one you hold. Now, given that the reason was so ridiculous childish and pathetic. I think that`s a good thing that you do not hold it!!!!
BTW.. If you were right that most israelis do not like them.. It would probably be becaus of the intense missionary activity there, which has been allowed by the israeli government.
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Every day more and more people join the BNP. Every day more and more Christians join the BNP. Jews join the BNP! :) Hindus join the BNP. There are more righteous Gentiles as members of JTF than Jews! So what does this mean?
More people realise that nazi muSSie slimbags want to kill us all and only by joining together can we beat these worthless evil wicked apologies for humans!
The BNP is being overrun by PRO Israel people from all walks of life. When the BNP get into power no one man, even if it's Nick Griffin, will be able to go against mainstream grasroots supporters/members.
But you have a choice, you can decry the BNP and chance your arm with "Labour - Conservative - Liberal" ALL of whom fully support hamas and every other nazi anti-Semitic organisation. >:(
Your worse case scenario with the BNP is that they don't care about Israel and won't lift a finger to help her. Wait a minute isn't that just what your getting now from the current eu/brit government?
I am skeptical, but if that were to happen , then that would be great news. Including your "worst case scenario".
What we have at the moment is a labour government that -does- lift a finger. Supporting the israeli government, not supporting israel. And supporting the israeli government is leading to israel`s destruction.
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Hey Tavor IMI...point well made my friend.
It is I think important to let the Jewish people know that the BNP is not some evil anti-semetic organisation and that we do indeed count them amongst us as our brothers in this fight..
And my God let us not forget that it is a desperate fight, where we all have to unite against this Jihadist takeover. The UK is the first in line for two reasons: 1. The huge and daily expanding mussie population and 2. The huge encouragement that our governement gives them to come here and to support their domination of all things when they are here.
-It is great to know I am not alone with this mission to reach out to our Jewish freinds and help dismiss the myths. -Thanks
Are you going to RWB this year?- Let me know we can hook up and have a beer. :)
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Quit decrying the will of non-religiouse Jews to stay Jewish, especielly quit decrying me and who I know and how. I am correct I tell you, Jews here don't like non-Jews (especially Christians, because of what they did us in the past etc'), and they will always want to marrie with Jews.
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I said that secular israelis if they were in the diaspora would intermarry.. and their children or grandchildren would not be jewish.. They have no reason to being jewish besides the an accident at birth.
You decided to take that as a question of "why be jewish" to non religious israelis like yourself. And even from a 14 year old child, you gave the most stupid reason I have ever heard in my life.
And excuse me for being so harsh to a 14 year old (you)
btw, somebody said you were 10. I was under the impression that you were a prodigious 10 year old..
You are great here - 95% of the time. But if you don`t like christians, then why do you like JTF?!!! JTF is an organisation of righteous jews and gentiles - mostly gentiles, and many of them christian. Fighting to save america and israel from islammic terrorism, black rap culture (majourity of blacks!), or other unrighteous threats e.t.c.
What are talking about ? Do you even know the Israelis that you are making bias assumptions like that ? The people who made Israel were proud [seculer] Jews, people here are proud to be Jews and that have nothing to do with religion. If I remember correctly, 74% of the Jews in Israel who studie in school are proud to be Jewish, and others just don't care they are.
My reason is not stupid, who are you to say what's stupid and what's isn't ? I will be proud of who I am for every reason I would like and not religiouse, leftists, or any other people will tell if I should be proud of somthing or for what reason I should be.
I never said I don't like Christians, you are unable to read or you read things selectivly ? I said most Israelis just DON'Tl like Christians!
OK, you don`t not like them. Good. You may even like them.
But you said that most israelis do not like christians, and the context was "Why Be Jewish". As in, I said that if secular Israelis lived in the diaspora, they would intermarry. What reason do secular jews have to be jewish, besides the fact that they were born jewish - so I do not just mean the factual thing, like a passport saying one is british or israeli e.t.c.. You replied that most israelis do not like christians..
That really is a STUPID REASON!
And so now you say you do not include yourself in that group. Well, very good.. It just means that when asked for a reason to be jewish, besides the factual thing. The reason you gave is not one you hold. Now, given that the reason was so ridiculous childish and pathetic. I think that`s a good thing that you do not hold it!!!!
BTW.. If you were right that most israelis do not like them.. It would probably be becaus of the intense missionary activity there, which has been allowed by the israeli government.
Of course should dislike everybody that want to destroy their Jewish Identity.
That is the right of self-determination.
English , Scottish, Welsh, Irish people have the same rights to preserve their heritage.
People who want to make White Brittons into a minority n their own country , are evil people and deserve hell.
People of European decent have no choice but supporting parties that want to defend the race, the culture, the history of the people of European continent.
Zionists should be striving for the same cause : to defend a Jewish State, and the Jewish people.
There is no difference in these struggles.
Have you guys seen these videos? http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=16767.0
We Europeans have evil governments that want to destroy our Race and Culture, just as the Israeli government wants to destroy the Jewish State and People.
So, there must be a Nationalist or a pan-European group of people, that want to fight the muslims and african hordes out, and be in support of Israeli-right wing that want to crush the Arabs.
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Dexter Do Israelis hate more muslimes or Christians? Why the Jews rom Yesha the most nationalist and observant ones take money and support from American evangelicals? Why the christian churches, comunities and pilgrims in Israel are not atacked ??? In fact the Israel is only ME country when both the relative and total number of christians have risen since 1948.
P.S. Ambroix don't use the term European race, we're all white or of causcasian type but just as Jews, A-rabs :( , Persians or Indians are... We shud be more corectly called European Japhites.
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Dexter Do Israelis hate more muslimes or Christians? Why the Jews rom Yesha the most nationalist and observant ones take money and support from American evangelicals? Why the christian churches, comunities and pilgrims in Israel are not atacked ??? In fact the Israel is only ME country when both the relative and total number of christians have risen since 1948.
P.S. Ambroix don't use the term European race, we're all white or of causcasian type but just as Jews, A-rabs :( , Persians or Indians are... We shud be more corectly called European Japhites.
I'll call it the European subrace then.
BTW, do we need that PC-ness here?
Jews are welcome to throw out all Christians from their land. I do not mind.
Israel should be a state for Jews and Jews only.
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P.S. Ambroix don't use the term European race, we're all white or of causcasian type but just as Jews, A-rabs , Persians or Indians are... We shud be more corectly called European Japhites.
Japhites is a term I never heard of.
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It's not about PC it about this evil G-d less language of Arthur de Gobineau or Houston Stewart Chamberlain, You wont find this race crap in Tanath or NT. We're aposed to Muslims or Negroes becouse their culture is evil not becouse they happened to be born as A-rabs or with black skin. They can change the former not the later.
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It's not about PC it about this evil G-d less language of Arthur de Gobineau or Houston Stewart Chamberlain, You wont find this race crap in Tanath or NT. We're aposed to Muslims or Negroes becouse their culture is evil not becouse they happened to be born as A-rabs or with black skin. They can change the former not the later.
Michael Jackson did. :::D
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And besides, I am opposed to intermarriage between Europeans and Jews, Arabs, and Indians.
All white subraces/religions/cultures/people/languages must remain separate.
Especially Jews, as they are a small group, must remain vigilant about intermarrying with non-Jews, or they will be assimilated -god forbid- after 2000 years....
That's why Jews in the USA and Europe, are putting their subrace/religion/people/culture or whatever you call it in danger.
How much intermarriage is happening nowdays ?
It is a sin that some Jews don't care about their religion and abandon it.
I like Jewish people, some friends of mine are Jewish and live here, but I will stay away from them. They are not religious, and do not really care about Israel. Of course they support Israel, but not enough.
They are too attached to Amsterdam, Paris, Antwerpen, or NYC. And that is regretable.
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P.S. Ambroix don't use the term European race, we're all white or of causcasian type but just as Jews, A-rabs , Persians or Indians are... We shud be more corectly called European Japhites.
Japhites is a term I never heard of.
Source -- The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
---------- HAM - (cham; Cham) ----------
1. The Youngest Son of Noah:
The youngest son of Noah, from whom sprang the western and southwestern nations known to the Hebrews. His name first occurs in Genesis 5:32, where, as in 6:10 and elsewhere, it occupies the second place. In Genesis 9:18 Ham is described as "the father of Canaan".
2. Ham as a Nationality (30 Nations came out of Ham):
The name given, in Psalms 105:23,17; 106:22 (compare 78:51), to Egypt as a descendant of Ham, son of Noah. As Shem means "dusky," or the like, and Japheth "fair," it has been supposed that Ham meant, as is not improbable, "black." This is supported by the evidence of Hebrew and Arabic, in which the word chamam means "to be hot" and "to be black," the latter signification being derived from the former.
It is interesting to note that the Biblical record defines Egypt as the Land of Ham.
-- Psalm 105: 23 "Israel also came into Egypt...the land of Ham."
3. Meaning of the Word:
That Ham is connected with the native name of Egypt, Kem, or, in full pa ta' en Kem, "the land of Egypt," in Bashmurian Coptic Kheme, is unlikely, as this form is probably of a much later date than the composition of Gen, and, moreover, as the Arabic shows, the guttural is not a true kh, but the hard breathing h, which are both represented by the Hebrew cheth.
4. The Nations Descending from Ham:
First on the list, as being the darkest, is Cush or Ethiopia (Genesis 10:6), after which comes Mitsrayim, or Egypt, then PuT or Libyia, and Canaan last. The sons or descendants of each of these are then taken in turn, and it is noteworthy that some of them, like the Ethiopians and the Canaanites, spoke Semitic, and not Hamitic, languages--Seba (if connected with the Sabeans), Havilah (Yemen), and Sheba, whose queen visited Solomon. Professor Sayce, moreover, has pointed out that Caphtor is the original home of the Phoenicians, who spoke a Semitic language.
The explanation of this probably is that other tongues were forced upon these nationalities in consequence of their migrations, or because they fell under the dominion of nationalities alien to them. The non-Sem Babylonians, described as descendants of Nimrod (Merodach), as is well known, spoke Sumerian, and adopted Semitic Babylonian only on account of mingling with the Semites whom they found there.
Another explanation is that the nationalities described as Hamitic--a parallel to those of the Semitic section--were so called because they fell under Egyptian dominion. This would make the original Hamitic race to have been Egyptian and account for Ham as a (poetical) designation of that nationality. Professor F. L. Griffith has pointed out that the Egyptian Priapic god of Panopolis (Akhmim), sometimes called Menu, but also apparently known as Khem, may have been identified with the ancestor of the Hamitic race--he was worshipped from the coast of the Red Sea to Coptos, and must have been well known to Egypt's eastern neighbors. He regards the characteristics of Menu as being in accord with the shamelessness of Ham as recorded in Genesis 9:20.
4. Four Sons of Ham (see map below):
1. Mizraim (Egypt)
2. Cush (Sudan, Ethiopia)
3. Put (Lybia)
4. Canaan (Hivites, Jebusites, Arvadites, Girgashites, Amorites, Arkites, Sinites, Hittites,
Sidonians, Perizzites, Zemarites)
5. CURSE OF CANAAN
1. Canaan was cursed, not Ham. (Gen. 9:25, "...cursed be Canaan..."
2. Genesis 9:25-27 "...servitude to his brothers..."
3. Exodus 20:5 --" A curse lasts three to four generations..."
4. Canaan does not exist as a nation today. Other three nations exist -- Egypt, Ethiopia
and Lybia.
---------- SHEM - shem (shem; Sem) ----------
1. Position in Noah's Family:
His Name:
The eldest son of Noah, from whom the Jews, as well as the Semitic ("Shemitic") nations in general have descended. When giving the names of Noah's three sons, Shem is always mentioned first (Genesis 9:18; 10:1, etc.); and though "the elder" in "Shem the brother of Japheth the elder" (Genesis 10:21 margin) is explained as referring to Shem, this is not the rendering of Onkelos.
His five sons peopled the greater part of West Asia's finest tracts, from Elam on the East to the Mediterranean on the West. Though generally regarded as meaning "dusky" (compare the Assyr-Babylonian samu--also Ham--possibly = "black," Japheth, "fair"), it is considered possible that Shem may be the usual Hebrew word for "name" (shem), given him because he was the firstborn--a parallel to the Assyr-Babylonian usage, in which "son," "name" (sumu) are synonyms (W. A. Inscriptions, V, plural 23, 11,29-32abc).
2. History, and the Nations Descended from Him (26 Nations came out of Shem):
Shem, who is called "the father of all the children of Eber," was born when Noah had attained the age of 500 years (Genesis 5:32). Though married at the time of the Flood, Shem was then childless. Aided by Japheth, he covered the nakedness of their father, which Ham, the youngest brother, had revealed to them; but unlike the last, Shem and Japheth, in their filial piety, approached their father walking backward, in order not to look upon him. Two years after the Flood, Shem being then 100 years old, his son Arpachshad was born (Genesis 11:10), and was followed by further sons and daughters during the remaining 500 years which preceded Shem's death.
Noah's prophetic blessing, on awakening from his wine, may be regarded as having been fulfilled in his descendants, who occupied Syria (Aramaic), Palestine (Canaan), Chaldea (Arpachshad), Assyria (Asshur), part of Persia (Elam), and Arabia (Joktan). In the first three of these, as well as in Elam, Canaanites had settled (if not in the other districts mentioned), but Shemites ruled, at some time or other, over the Canaanites, and Canaan thus became "his servant" (Genesis 9:25,26). The tablets found in Cappadocia seem to show that Shemites (Assyrians) had settled in that district also, but this was apparently an unimportant colony. Though designated sons of Shem, some of his descendants (e.g. the Elamites) did not speak a Semitic language, while other nationalities, not his descendants (e.g. the Canaanites), did.
3. Five Sons of Shem (see map below):
1. Elam (Arabia)
2. Asshur (Assyria)
3. Lud (Lydians)
4. Aram (Aramaic, Armenia, Mesopotamia, Syria)
5. Arphaxad (From which Abraham descended)
----- JAPHETH - ja'-feth (yepheth; yapheth; Iapheth) -----
1. Etymologies of Japheth:
This name, in Genesis 9:27, seems to be explained by the phrase "may God make wide (yapht, the American Standard Revised Version "enlarge") for Japheth," where yapht and Japheth are represented by the same consonants, but with different vowel-points. The root of yapht is pathach, "to make wide."
This etymology, however, is not universally accepted, as the word-play is so obvious, and the association of Japheth with Shem ("dark") and Ham ("black") suggests a name on similar lines--either gentilic, or descriptive of race. Japheth has therefore been explained as meaning "fair," from yaphah, the non-Sem and non-Hamitic races known to the Jews being all more or less whiteskinned. The Targum of Onkelos agrees with the English Versions of the Bible, but that of Jonathan has "God shall beautify Japheth," as though from yaphah.
2. His Descendants (14 Nations came out of Japheth):
The immediate descendants of Japheth were seven in number, and are represented by the nations designated Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Mesech, and Tiras; or, roughly, the Armenians, Lydians, Medes, Greeks, Tibarenians, and Moschians, the last, Tiras, remaining still obscure. The sons of Gomer (Ashkenaz, Riphath and Togarmah) were all settled in the West Asian tract; while the sons of Javan (Elisah, Tarshish, Kittim and Dodanim or Rodanim) occupied the Mediterranean coast and the adjacent islands.
3. His Place among the Sons of Noah:
In Genesis 9:27, as in other passages, Japheth occupies the 3rd place in the enumeration of the sons of Noah, but he is really regarded as the 2nd son, Ham being the youngest. In the genealogical table, however (Genesis 10:1), the descendants of Japheth are given first, and those of Shem last, in order to set forth Semitic affinities at greater length. Though this would seem to indicate that the fair races were the least known to the Jews, it implies that the latter were well disposed toward them, for Japheth was (ultimately) to dwell in the tents of Shem, and therefore to take part in Shem's spiritual privileges.
4. Seven Sons of Japheth (see map below):
1. Javan (Greece, Romans, Romance -- French, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese)
2. Magog (Scythians, Slavs, Russians, Bulgarians, Bohemians, Poles, Slovaks, Serbs)
3. Madai (Indians & Iranic: Medes, Persians, Afghans, Kurds)
4. Tubal (South of Black Sea)
5. Tiras (Thracians, Teutons, Germans, Scandinavian, Anglo-Saxon, Jutes)
6. Meshech (Russia)
7. Gomer (Celtic)
(http://www.freemaninstitute.com/images/RTGham1.jpg)
http://www.freemaninstitute.com/RTGham.htm
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It's not about PC it about this evil G-d less language of Arthur de Gobineau or Houston Stewart Chamberlain, You wont find this race crap in Tanath or NT. We're aposed to Muslims or Negroes becouse their culture is evil not becouse they happened to be born as A-rabs or with black skin. They can change the former not the later.
I do not oppose muslim or blacks because they are evil. If they are evil in their own habitat (desert, jungle...) I couldn't care less.
Let them circumcise their women, have sex with 30+ partners, eat each-other, and so on.
What happens in Congo, Kenia or Nigeria is not my problem.
Frankly, if they feel happy like that, why should I bother to disturb them?
I have no need to teach them my culture or religion.
Let the muslims believe in the black stone and the moon. Let them do.
BUT ... HERE .... In MY country .... the rules are different:
I do oppose them, because they are populating OUR Europe, and are outbreeding us.
If they become a majority, we will be killed or sold as slaves for the arabs.
The only solution is to expel all blacks and all people that are not european.
USA should dump all blacks, yes except a minority maybe,... back in the African jungle.
It is not evil to defend your culture/nation/family/race or whatever you want to call it.
It is a duty!
The africans and the arabs know this VERY VERY well.
They don' have any authors like the ones you mentioned.
They have this instinct. The instinct to survive and reproduce.
We lost that. Because of PC-ness, and partially because of Christianity.
Jews are very right in their refusal of Jesus Christ's teachings sometimes...
About evilness: Blacks are evil, and are a different race. They have a different brain, and a different body...
What we call "evil" is maybe righteous for them, because we are totally different.
How does it come that all Blacks in all continents are commiting so much crime?!?!
Because their culture? I doubt it.
We are not the product of cultures only.
We are the product of our education, and our genes.
So keeping bloodlines intact, and preserving one's ethnicity is not evil.
That is what I have to say about this matter.
Even thinking that these arabs/africans nations are able to become +50% not-evil is a PC-lie.
they had 400 years to become decent people in the USA.
Now that the pressure on them is lower, now that they are no slaves anymore,
they are in fact becomes like the wild blacks from africa,
and turning the world around them (our cities) into wild-animal zoos.
Sorry but that is the reality.
Muslims, is a bt more complicated.
The REAL arabs, although they are a dangerous enemy,
are not the ones burning cars in Paris.
Those are North-africans.
We must crush their religion, but they are an ethnical danger as well.
If we intermarry a few million Europeans with an equal amount of Blacks or other evil turd worlders, they children will still behave
like jealous Evil blacks today.
There is no secret formule to convert them to Christianity/European traditional values.
They are jealous of Europeans, because we are smarter, more efficient, have more power, and have a organised civil society.
The same counts for Europeans. They are jealous of Jews, that are smarter , more succesful against all odds, and have more power.
So... Forget about racial superiority theories. Those are evil. But we must never give up our Europe, for non-Europeans.
They have countries of their own. Let them stay there.
They will always have a different mindset than us.
And I don't ask them to change....
Let them be... But keep them outside our nations, and secure the borders so that they don't come in.
They will stick to their religion/way of live,... unless we recolonise them, this time succesful , and educate them for a 1000 years how to become civilised.
Do you think that is ever going to happen?
I don't think so.
So what is happening now?
these apes are colonising us. We are mortally ill. Weak, cowards.
they smell this, like a shark smells blood!
I know Arabs are more stupid generally then Europeans, but, they smell our fear, and hesitation to use force!
And when they smell fear, they organise, to outbreed us, to crush us by overpopulating our countries with their "ethnical subvariant of the white race".
Sorry, I fundamentally disagree about arabs and blacks with you.
I think to destroy the Arabian hate against Jews, and the religion of Islam is impossible.
I also think that blacks will remain as they are, i.e.85% evil and 15% self-hating blacks that are OK to us.
I know some of them personally ( my country has 10% of turdworlders) , and I know they are evil, lazy, anti-intelligent.
I believe the higher crime-rate of blacks compared to whites is caused primarily by genetical, instinctual, factors, rather than culture.
The reason their culture is evil, is because their genes are programmed to be like that.
I respect JTF stand "on evil cultures, not the color of the skin" but I respectfully disagree.
With the best will of the world, the nations of blacks and berbers, arabs, turks, will never becoming like European nations, or the Jewish nation by adopting our culture.
They will always try to destroy our culture and our race.
If their numbers are too high, they will simply outnumber us, because they breed at a faster rate.
Our culture/race/... will be gone, if we don't start expelling/eliminating them.
Arabs and blacks are always going to be our enemies. Their culture will never be other than evil.
The NT, is not realistic as a source for combat against Islam and blacks. It teaches Tolerance.
Tolerance against evil is mortal. The Church in the West of Europe are the worst collaboraters of this moment.
We need intolerance, hate, anger, to fight these arabs and africans out.
We need to destroy the leftist Churches, the leftists atheist, and take political power and use our military force to
destroy the muslims' and the blacks' ability to harm us for the coming millenia.
I think you should consider this.
I stand by Israel and a free (of non-westerners) Western World.
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I understand your position but can't agree. There was a time when A-rabs and blacks were kept in line and G-d wiling when we'll be strong again we'll figure out how to deal with them. And about churches in Europe being dhiminic that's not fault of principles but the internal rot the englightment with its faith in human bring The churches in fact were dereailed as last, You'll see that in USA the evangelicals are most patriotic and militant suporters of Israel and anti Jihad.
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I understand your position but can't agree. There was a time when A-rabs and blacks were kept in line and G-d wiling when we'll be strong again we'll figure out how to deal with them. And about churches in Europe being dhiminic that's not fault of principles but the internal rot the englightment with its faith in human bring The churches in fact were dereailed as last, You'll see that in USA the evangelicals are most patriotic and militant suporters of Israel and anti Jihad.
Well I don't want you to feel sorry to disagree. By any means, if you habe a better solution for EUSSR ad islamisation, and turworldisation, tell it!
USA evangelicans are of little use in Europe. We must build right-wing islamophobe parties.
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Yes I know Europe is nort Latin America; still I wouid rather prey for miracle than use BNP's leadership which I despise and don't trust; The G-d is punishing the wrong doers for fourth generation so the curse might be lifted soon; either way it's going to be decided in next twenty years. The scary thing is those (ex)bad guys ca be our only chance.
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Yes I know Europe is nort Latin America; still I wouid rather prey for miracle than use BNP's leadership which I despise and don't trust; The G-d is punishing the wrong doers for fourth generation so the curse might be lifted soon; either way it's going to be decided in next twenty years. The scary thing is those (ex)bad guys ca be our only chance.
I think it is clear: if we don't save Britain from Islam and PC, it will become more dangerous for us.
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I understand your position but can't agree. There was a time when A-rabs and blacks were kept in line and G-d wiling when we'll be strong again we'll figure out how to deal with them. And about churches in Europe being dhiminic that's not fault of principles but the internal rot the englightment with its faith in human bring The churches in fact were dereailed as last, You'll see that in USA the evangelicals are most patriotic and militant suporters of Israel and anti Jihad.
great posts.. But incase you hadn`t noticed, you have a ton of ENTERs at the end of every post, followed by a signature. It is more efficient, and the thread would be less pages,, if you remove the superfluous enters.
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Wow...some serious points of view coming out there.
-Glad it sparked some debate..
Don't agree with everything that's been said but do for the most part.
The key here is that if we stand by and let the UK and Europe become Islamified then nothing but hope and the US will remaim.
-Thanks.
Dibbz.
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If the UK falls to Islam remember this, the British are the most inventive race on the planet, 75% of modern inventions come from the UK and Britain has a fleet of Nuclear armed ballistic and cruse missile submarines. This does not bode well for Israel or the rest of the world. Now we can argue till the end of time about whether the BNP is anti Semitic or not. To me however it is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic while the iceberg gets closer! You KNOW how Jews would be treated under Sharia and you have missgivings about how you would be treated under a BNP Government. How bad does it have to get for you to grasp the olive branch? I fear to late, remember Jews have a history of losing their country please don't do it again. We are not your enemy, I have helped defend Israel in Israel, ok I only worked on F16's but I was there in your hour of need, what more can I do?
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If the UK falls to Islam remember this, the British are the most inventive race on the planet, 75% of modern inventions come from the UK and Britain has a fleet of Nuclear armed ballistic and cruse missile submarines. This does not bode well for Israel or the rest of the world. Now we can argue till the end of time about whether the BNP is anti Semitic or not. To me however it is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic while the iceberg gets closer! You KNOW how Jews would be treated under Sharia and you have missgivings about how you would be treated under a BNP Government. How bad does it have to get for you to grasp the olive branch? I fear to late, remember Jews have a history of losing their country please don't do it again. We are not your enemy, I have helped defend Israel in Israel, ok I only worked on F16's but I was there in your hour of need, what more can I do?
A neo-Nazi government would not be that much different from a Muslim government.
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בס"ד
I'd rather have a Muslim government than a Neo-Nazi one.
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Well it's attitudes like that that allowed Israel to fall in the first place. The Nazi Party did not have Jewish officials, we are not the Nazi party. I hope you don't live to regret those words in a world were I will be able to say to you, "I told you so" and they cut your head off before mine.
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I'd rather have a Muslim government than a Neo-Nazi one.
Be careful what you wish for, you may get it.
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Well it's attitudes like that that allowed Israel to fall in the first place. The Nazi Party did not have Jewish officials, we are not the Nazi party. I hope you don't live to regret those words in a world were I will be able to say to you, "I told you so" and they cut your head off before mine.
Israel will NEVER fall.
Yes but all anti-Jewish parties nowadays (except for the Authentic/Neo Nazi ones) have Jewish members, self-hatred is not uncommon nowadays.
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"The BNP, its former leaders and present leader, Nick Griffin, have promoted anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial or revisionism in the past. In 1996 writing in his own publication The Rune Griffin stated that: "I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."[50] The following year, during a Cook Report documentary he stated: "There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But this nonsense about gas chambers is exposed as a total lie"
That's a pretty damning quote.
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"The BNP, its former leaders and present leader, Nick Griffin, have promoted anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial or revisionism in the past. In 1996 writing in his own publication The Rune Griffin stated that: "I am well aware that orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated or turned into soup and lampshades. I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."[50] The following year, during a Cook Report documentary he stated: "There is no doubt that hundreds, probably thousands of Jews were shot to death in Eastern Europe, because they were rightly or wrongly seen as communists or potential partisan supporters. That was awful. But this nonsense about gas chambers is exposed as a total lie"
That's a pretty damning quote.
Yes it is and he has apologized for that and if the BNP did not have Jewish members, councilors and he had not apologized then I could not have joined.
Now he may be genuine or not and if I find out not then I'll be the first one out the door but we do know Islam is genuinely anti Jewish and is the fastest growing religion in the world.
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Lisa meet at a meeting for Western right in the U.S. a woman who was an elected BNP official she said she was a very nice woman.
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The right of all nations to preserve their identity, culture and heritage has been reaffirmed by the state of Israel with an announcement by its Prime Minister that a wall will be built to prevent illegal workers and bogus asylum seekers flooding into that country and altering its Jewish character.
In an official press release issued today, the Israeli foreign office announced that an agreement had been reached with Egypt for the construction of a barrier wall along the border with Israel.
All I want is the same for my country, multiculturalism is like salt, a little enhances the flavor and to much spoils it.
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The BNP are the good guys in today's Britain. By the way, even their economic ideas are not leftist. I watched a recorded speech by Nick Griffin, where he criticized the blind and indiscriminate idea of equality. He said, "I believe in the equality of people who are truly equal, but not otherwise." This, for me, is a sign of a righteous person. A righteus person knows that a religious worldview is hierarchical - on many levels, including spiritual.
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Damn it!!
you know, it makes me so mad, that parties like BNP(in Britain) or PVV(Partij van Vrijhet - Holland) are considered racist.. I mean, do we all just have to sit and wait untill our countries are filled with this muslim scum.. Any hero, such as Geert Wilders, who fights for his nation, for his country, for the heritage and history of his people - is called racist, fascist or nazi.. This is absurd! Since when, being a true patriot is RACISM??!??!?
God help Europe!
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exactly, we are choking in white-man guilt and political correctness gone insane, Welcome.
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I just pray that all decent western people be they atheists, Jewish, Christian, Hindhu or Buhdist, recognize that we are being usurped by our governments en masse as a people. It's not wearing tin-foil hats anymore to figure this out, they are telling you directly, in plain English: There will be global governance in everything you do (not necessarily global government) - Scared enough yet? So why don't you call your local UN or IMF representitive so he can put your mind at rest?- Dont have a contact number/e-mail for them....? right. -Nor will you ever have.
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welcome to JTF
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welcome,i am living in israel but i hope that the bnp will someday be the majority on both houses.
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welcome,i am living in israel but i hope that the bnp will someday be the majority on both houses.
BNP are anti Israel anti Semitic Nazi Scum!!! What is with you supporting all of Israels enemies?
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The UK will never become a Muslim state. Could you imagine what would happen to anyone who tried to stop an English or Scottish man from drinking beer or whiskey? Picking up your teeth with broken fingers is a tricky proposition.
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The UK will never become a Muslim state. Could you imagine what would happen to anyone who tried to stop an English or Scottish man from drinking beer or whiskey? Picking up your teeth with broken fingers is a tricky proposition.
well.i hope the muzzies will get used to it.especially english muzzies.stop this white man guilt now.i don't care what we did to the muzzies in the past and i am inviting them to get the #@$ out of our countries!
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So to quote dibblah
"the JTF and BNP are exactly on the same message"
Yeah right!
Thankyou dibblah for helping me stick my foot down my mouth in my first few posts.
Is this guy still alive?