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Save Western Civilization => Save America => Topic started by: ASHISH on January 14, 2008, 02:04:28 AM
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How long do you think usa can be superpower or even rich because all great empires have fallen like rome,mongoles who conquered china.In modern times we can see ussr and even germany in ww2 which was definetly superpower at that time and faught with too many countries at the same time.Imo the same thing is happening with usa it has to deal with war on terror,growing eonomies of china,india,russia,EU.It has 9 trillion debt,illegal immegrant problem what do you guys think?
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I don't think the US will fall, I think at worst the US will have another Great Depression, after which there will be a backlash by very pissed off Americans against the corrupt government and unscrupulous big business bastards that caused it, will lead to a "house cleaning" by those pissed off Americans I previously mentioned, then we will climb out of it again like the last Great Depression. In the long run, it will probably be good for the country.
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newyorker when did last depression happened.
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1929
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i am not that great in economics ;D but i want to understand in laymans term during the last great depression was usa the only superpower because if it happens again it will be more difficult to rise again because china will then make anti usa policies
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Yes, the USA WILL fall, unfortunantly. The reason-the things JTF is fighting against.
Last time I heard (today), the US has a debt of 52 TRILLION dollars
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You all better pray it doesn't because with the US gone, who is going to keep all the evil bastards of the world at bay? The EU? Good frikkin' luck!
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Already done IMO, China has the US by the short and curlies. 1 Trillion in US dollars which they keep threatening to dump. Don't forget the 65 trillion shortfall for the baby boomers when they retire. The one ace the US has is they are central to the worlds economy and a US collapse means a world collapse. I wouldn't count on a depression being good for the US either. The Great Depression lead to the rise of many tyrannies including the Nazis. Don't think that it can't happen in the US or other western countries. People who are desperate listen to tyrants who promise bread, land and peace.
Personally I think the stage is set for the rise of Rome again. Daniel predicted that the Prince who would come and desecrate the temple with the abomination of desolation, would be from the people who destroyed the 2nd temple, ie the Romans.
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Forgive me for what I am thinking. This is by no means a revelation or anything like that; however, In the US there is much moral degradation, homosexuality, theft by the individuals who are suppose to be protecting the people, lies and cover ups by the government, and overall everyone snubbing their nose at God and refusing His existence, and doing everything God abhors. To date the worst thing the US has done is try to divide the land of Israel. God told Abraham in Genesis 12:3 "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." Based on this alone I am a bit nervous, because I live in the US, and I do not know exactly how this will come to pass; I believe it will based on what God says here in Genesis 12:3. I hope I am wrong; but God word is true and infallible.
What can I do to get the text to stop automatically removing the 'O' from God?
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
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i am not that great in economics ;D but i want to understand in laymans term during the last great depression was usa the only superpower because if it happens again it will be more difficult to rise again because china will then make anti usa policies
I doubt the USA were the only superpower in the 20 ties...
I think other European nations were more powerful
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.
It has nothing to do with that. The soviet system was destroyed from within, because they knew,
it was not possible to have this economical system working.
I mean, if the USA is continues to be ruled by socialist dictators and multi-national corporations, that do not act
to protect itself from oil-producing countries, China, Islam, and NWO-policies,
but that act to enrich themselves,
than you are facing becoming a minority,
and your states will be taken over by Mexico, or worse.
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.
It has nothing to do with that. The soviet system was destroyed from within, because they knew,
it was not possible to have this economical system working.
I mean, if the USA is continues to be ruled by socialist dictators and multi-national corporations, that do not act
to protect itself from oil-producing countries, China, Islam, and NWO-policies,
but that act to enrich themselves,
than you are facing becoming a minority,
and your states will be taken over by Mexico, or worse.
Never happen, y'know why? because the founding fathers of this great nation, in their brilliant wisdom, put the right to bear arms, and form militias in the Constitution. Anyone trying to take over the states will face 200 million armed to the teeth pissed off Americans, with me included.
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.
It has nothing to do with that. The soviet system was destroyed from within, because they knew,
it was not possible to have this economical system working.
I mean, if the USA is continues to be ruled by socialist dictators and multi-national corporations, that do not act
to protect itself from oil-producing countries, China, Islam, and NWO-policies,
but that act to enrich themselves,
than you are facing becoming a minority,
and your states will be taken over by Mexico, or worse.
Never happen, y'know why? because the founding fathers of this great nation, in their brilliant wisdom, put the right to bear arms, and form militias in the Constitution. Anyone trying to take over the states will face 200 million armed to the teeth pissed off Americans, with me included.
We (in Europe) face the same problems, don't get me wrong!
We will be waging war outnumbered against much more Muslims/Blacks.
Our governments are not loyal to us.
We are outnumbered in the cities already.
take a look at my lost post in Save Europe about Stockholm.
unless we expel all enemies from our lands now,
we are on the verge of collapse.
Remember what Kahane said about the Arabs in Israel...
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
Noooo, the USSR was made up of occupied countries that moved for independence the first chance they got. The US is made up of the 50 states, and they're not going anywhere.
It has nothing to do with that. The soviet system was destroyed from within, because they knew,
it was not possible to have this economical system working.
I mean, if the USA is continues to be ruled by socialist dictators and multi-national corporations, that do not act
to protect itself from oil-producing countries, China, Islam, and NWO-policies,
but that act to enrich themselves,
than you are facing becoming a minority,
and your states will be taken over by Mexico, or worse.
Never happen, y'know why? because the founding fathers of this great nation, in their brilliant wisdom, put the right to bear arms, and form militias in the Constitution. Anyone trying to take over the states will face 200 million armed to the teeth pissed off Americans, with me included.
LOL funny enough I agree with that statement. American's have a great history of changing things when anrgy enough, but it takes alot to get you anrgy enough to act. The spirit of the country is far different to Russia.
Not to say one is better than the other, because I don't think that. But credit is due to what creates a country and its Americans boldness and pure stubborn attitude.
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I think the real threat is illegal immigration. If this continues, the America we have come to know and love will soon disappear for good. :'(
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy
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other countries will fall before the USA.
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy
Some the free trade agreements the US has with other countries this alone will ensure the economy to be stable and not fall.
US-New Zealand free trade agreement
US - Chile Free Trade Agreement
central american dominican republic free trade agreement
US-Korea Free Trade Agreement.
Australia (AFTA)
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Singapore-USA-Japan
Colombia and Panama
I think thats all can remember...
Let alone any others I missed, plus Allied treaties and such.
America is well backed.
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy
Some the free trade agreements the US has with other countries this alone will ensure the economy to be stable and not fall.
US-New Zealand free trade agreement
US - Chile Free Trade Agreement
central american dominican republic free trade agreement
US-Korea Free Trade Agreement.
Australia (AFTA)
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Singapore-USA-Japan
Colombia and Panama
I think thats all can remember...
Let alone any others I missed, plus Allied treaties and such.
America is well backed.
no skippy...these treaties are what is causing the fall of the White American. These treaties are outsourcing white americans' livelihoods, right under americans' noses. >:( :'(
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy
Some the free trade agreements the US has with other countries this alone will ensure the economy to be stable and not fall.
US-New Zealand free trade agreement
US - Chile Free Trade Agreement
central american dominican republic free trade agreement
US-Korea Free Trade Agreement.
Australia (AFTA)
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Singapore-USA-Japan
Colombia and Panama
I think thats all can remember...
Let alone any others I missed, plus Allied treaties and such.
America is well backed.
no skippy...these treaties are what is causing the fall of the White American. These treaties are outsourcing white americans' livelihoods, right under americans' noses. >:( :'(
VERY INTERESTING!!
what is the right opinion here?
Let's ask Chaim?
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What do you mean fall? It will remain a superpower regardless, it has much international backing and trade agreements. It is very unlikely to be suddenly die away.
Unlike most other countries the US has not made itself an island.
Well I think a USSR-collapse scenario is likely for the USA.
USSR did not have the international agreements the US has.
can you explain this, as I have no clue about international agreements.
thank you Skippy
Some the free trade agreements the US has with other countries this alone will ensure the economy to be stable and not fall.
US-New Zealand free trade agreement
US - Chile Free Trade Agreement
central american dominican republic free trade agreement
US-Korea Free Trade Agreement.
Australia (AFTA)
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA)
Singapore-USA-Japan
Colombia and Panama
I think thats all can remember...
Let alone any others I missed, plus Allied treaties and such.
America is well backed.
no skippy...these treaties are what is causing the fall of the White American. These treaties are outsourcing white americans' livelihoods, right under americans' noses. >:( :'(
VERY INTERESTING!!
what is the right opinion here?
Let's ask Chaim?
I can tell you who IS benefitting from these agreements. The American Business Elite. Them, and the world's "poor". Your and my jobs will be given to these "poor" turd worlders, benefitting the "poor", and ofcourse, the elite, whom now have cheap labour and lax labour standarts.
Another way of looking at it in more detail:
Due to Globalisation, governments will lose more and more control to international and regional organisations. Meaning governments will no longer be existent. The nation-state will also no longer be official, as all countries will be diffused into regional powers....eventually under one global government.
So therefore, the United States WILL fall.
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Globalisation Student
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I can tell you who IS benefitting from these agreements. The American Business Elite. Them, and the world's "poor". Your and my jobs will be given to these "poor" turd worlders, benefitting the "poor", and ofcourse, the elite, whom now have cheap labour and lax labour standarts.
Another way of looking at it in more detail:
Due to Globalisation, governments will lose more and more control to international and regional organisations. Meaning governments will no longer be existent. The nation-state will also no longer be official, as all countries will be diffused into regional powers....eventually under one global government.
So therefore, the United States WILL fall.
ps.
Globalisation Student
American Business Elite is what floats the country, you can not have a country being stable without a business sector.
Working class is the back bone of all societies, that mean workers, and many now choose not to work. If they can't get workers to run the companys of course they have to outsource. Free trade is not a bad thing, a Lazy population is.
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I think the real threat is illegal immigration. If this continues, the America we have come to know and love will soon disappear for good. :'(
You have that right! Just look at some of Europe and England....thats what we will be facing.
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I can tell you who IS benefitting from these agreements. The American Business Elite. Them, and the world's "poor". Your and my jobs will be given to these "poor" turd worlders, benefitting the "poor", and ofcourse, the elite, whom now have cheap labour and lax labour standarts.
Another way of looking at it in more detail:
Due to Globalisation, governments will lose more and more control to international and regional organisations. Meaning governments will no longer be existent. The nation-state will also no longer be official, as all countries will be diffused into regional powers....eventually under one global government.
So therefore, the United States WILL fall.
ps.
Globalisation Student
American Business Elite is what floats the country, you can not have a country being stable without a business sector.
Working class is the back bone of all societies, that mean workers, and many now choose not to work. If they can't get workers to run the companys of course they have to outsource. Free trade is not a bad thing, a Lazy population is.
ofcourse a country needs a good business sector. The Soviets and their supposed collapse are a good example of this.
But what good is a business sector, if they only take from the nation, and not give (employment). Sure, US firms will be very rich, but then, US citizens will become the poor of the world. A nation-state is not rich, if the NATION is not rich as well.
How would you like it, being such a good worker as yourself, if you get a letter in the mail today, whereby your employers thank you for your hard and good service, but are sad to inform you that your job is being "relocated" ?
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I can tell you who IS benefitting from these agreements. The American Business Elite. Them, and the world's "poor". Your and my jobs will be given to these "poor" turd worlders, benefitting the "poor", and ofcourse, the elite, whom now have cheap labour and lax labour standarts.
Another way of looking at it in more detail:
Due to Globalisation, governments will lose more and more control to international and regional organisations. Meaning governments will no longer be existent. The nation-state will also no longer be official, as all countries will be diffused into regional powers....eventually under one global government.
So therefore, the United States WILL fall.
ps.
Globalisation Student
American Business Elite is what floats the country, you can not have a country being stable without a business sector.
Working class is the back bone of all societies, that mean workers, and many now choose not to work. If they can't get workers to run the companys of course they have to outsource. Free trade is not a bad thing, a Lazy population is.
ofcourse a country needs a good business sector. The Soviets and their supposed collapse are a good example of this.
But what good is a business sector, if they only take from the nation, and not give (employment). Sure, US firms will be very rich, but then, US citizens will become the poor of the world. A nation-state is not rich, if the NATION is not rich as well.
How would you like it, being such a good worker as yourself, if you get a letter in the mail today, whereby your employers thank you for your hard and good service, but are sad to inform you that your job is being "relocated" ?
I have had that surprisingly already, but the thing is I made sure i got other areas to fall back on. Good education and retraining is the key to maintaining a good job.
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I think that the US is falling. I dont know if they have fallen yet but the center of the problem is our spending. Until we wholeheartedly address the national debt and stop spending beyond what we have i do believe we will fail.
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I can tell you who IS benefitting from these agreements. The American Business Elite. Them, and the world's "poor". Your and my jobs will be given to these "poor" turd worlders, benefitting the "poor", and ofcourse, the elite, whom now have cheap labour and lax labour standarts.
Another way of looking at it in more detail:
Due to Globalisation, governments will lose more and more control to international and regional organisations. Meaning governments will no longer be existent. The nation-state will also no longer be official, as all countries will be diffused into regional powers....eventually under one global government.
So therefore, the United States WILL fall.
ps.
Globalisation Student
American Business Elite is what floats the country, you can not have a country being stable without a business sector.
Working class is the back bone of all societies, that mean workers, and many now choose not to work. If they can't get workers to run the companys of course they have to outsource. Free trade is not a bad thing, a Lazy population is.
ofcourse a country needs a good business sector. The Soviets and their supposed collapse are a good example of this.
But what good is a business sector, if they only take from the nation, and not give (employment). Sure, US firms will be very rich, but then, US citizens will become the poor of the world. A nation-state is not rich, if the NATION is not rich as well.
How would you like it, being such a good worker as yourself, if you get a letter in the mail today, whereby your employers thank you for your hard and good service, but are sad to inform you that your job is being "relocated" ?
I have had that surprisingly already, but the thing is I made sure i got other areas to fall back on. Good education and retraining is the key to maintaining a good job.
Indeed (sorry to hear that), but what about the other whites around the world, whom will not be as fortunate?
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I think that the US is falling. I dont know if they have fallen yet but the center of the problem is our spending. Until we wholeheartedly address the national debt and stop spending beyond what we have i do believe we will fail.
I agree. At the rate we're going we're slowly becoming a third world banana republic, and when we can't pay the interest on the massive dept we have then we'll fall. When things start going downhill make sure to stock up on weapons and supplies.
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If McCain makes it into office, we will have to hope for a good Democratic candidate in 2012. Scary. Isn't it?
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or a proficient sniper...
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Indeed (sorry to hear that), but what about the other whites around the world, whom will not be as fortunate?
Other whites need to do the same, everything I have i fought for, I worked hard to keep and maintain. I went without and I get sick of people saying I am the elite, and get everything handed to me.
Yes I was born into money, yes I had a good life when I was a child until things happened.
But I worked at the age of 14, I schooled I cared for my family, I then served my country and still do.
Regardless of where you are what you do, everyone can make a difference, it depends on your will to do so.
Other Whites, other people can work hard too, nothing stopping them.
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Oswald Spengler predicted the "Decline of the West" in 1936 and John T. Flynn wrote about it in 1954's "Decline of the American Republic". Perhaps one might think of George Orwell's "1984" or Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" or "The Fountain Head"..... or perhaps Mohammed predicted it when he dictated the Qur'an to his Rabbinical slave to write before beheadding him.....
We're not falling but plummeting. In the last month I've spoken to a woman from Poland who came to Canada in the Early 1970's, when Canada was continually in the top 3 best countries to live, she's returning to Poland because there are less problems there and it is, apparently, becoming like Canada and the US was back in the 1950's. Just Saturday evening I spoke to a woman from Hungary. She too states the same and is leaving as Hungary is too now becoming a vibrant uni-cultural society. Seems the Mooslims and Turd World filth bypass Eastern Europe for Germany, France, Holland, England etc. and the Eastern Europeans are far less "tolerant" to "multi culturalism" or "embracing diversity". Good for them... Canada's pooched....
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Other Whites, other people can work hard too, nothing stopping them.
Yes, but no matter how hard you work, your job will still be outsourced. The only possible solution is creating your own business. But, for how long will it survive? With big firms squashing little business...and globalisation will open the markets to even more firms...only adding to the weight against small business.
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The evil corporations know how to play the government to get their jobs outsourced. My father went for an interview for this company and they said that he was "overqualified" for the position. So they tell the gov't that they can't find any Americans for the job and have to outsource it. What a joke.
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Other Whites, other people can work hard too, nothing stopping them.
Yes, but no matter how hard you work, your job will still be outsourced. The only possible solution is creating your own business. But, for how long will it survive? With big firms squashing little business...and globalisation will open the markets to even more firms...only adding to the weight against small business.
You create you own position in life. And thinking you will remain in one job all your life is wrong. You need to update and make yourself valuable in the work place.
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Other Whites, other people can work hard too, nothing stopping them.
Yes, but no matter how hard you work, your job will still be outsourced. The only possible solution is creating your own business. But, for how long will it survive? With big firms squashing little business...and globalisation will open the markets to even more firms...only adding to the weight against small business.
You create you own position in life. And thinking you will remain in one job all your life is wrong. You need to update and make yourself valuable in the work place.
But if you were to change job...there would be no job left! As it's sitting somewhere in Shaghai or Hanoi. Skippy, look at South Africa for instance, and what JDL was saying...no matter how bloody qualified you are, or how at the top of the field you are...they will stll relocate your job to a paki asking 1 fifth of your current salary.
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Other Whites, other people can work hard too, nothing stopping them.
Yes, but no matter how hard you work, your job will still be outsourced. The only possible solution is creating your own business. But, for how long will it survive? With big firms squashing little business...and globalisation will open the markets to even more firms...only adding to the weight against small business.
You create you own position in life. And thinking you will remain in one job all your life is wrong. You need to update and make yourself valuable in the work place.
But if you were to change job...there would be no job left! As it's sitting somewhere in Shaghai or Hanoi. Skippy, look at South Africa for instance, and what JDL was saying...no matter how bloody qualified you are, or how at the top of the field you are...they will stll relocate your job to a paki asking 1 fifth of your current salary.
Thats the thing we need to work on more than one area in the country, free trade allows monies to be internationally exchanged, the problem is multi leveled, blaming one section is not good management.