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Chess legend Bobby Fischer dead at 64
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DbtWuwQX8Is
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one enemy of the Jews less ;)
Chess legend Bobby Fischer dead at 64
2 hours ago
REYKJAVIK (AFP) — Chess legend Bobby Fischer, whose tortured genius earned him both worldwide acclaim and disdain, has died at the age of 64 at his home in Iceland.
"I can confirm that he died yesterday in his home due to an illness," close friend Gardar Sverrisson told AFP. Fischer was reportedly hospitalised for a period last year.
Einar Einarsson, the chairman of a Fischer support group in Iceland, said the cause of death was kidney failure.
"He was not a man who wanted to seek medical attention. He didn't believe in Western medicine," Einarsson told AFP.
US-born Fischer, who made world headlines by defeating Soviet world champion Boris Spassky in a celebrated Cold War chess showdown in Reykjavik in 1972, took Icelandic citizenship in 2005 to avoid being deported to the United States.
He was wanted for breaking international sanctions by playing a chess match in Yugoslavia in 1992.
Considered by some as the greatest chess player of all time, Fischer's particular genius was a troubled one that saw his life run steadily downhill since his moment of glory at age 29.
He was said to have an IQ higher than Albert Einstein's and once thought his gift would win him undying fortune. He would make extravagant demands over matches in a way more commonly seen in boxing.
But while the theatrics made him a celebrity -- and are credited with helping him unnerve his opponents -- he also succeeded in alienating himself from all but a small band of friends and chess enthusiasts.
Despite having a Jewish mother, Fischer was an outspoken anti-Semite, using broadcasts at far-flung radio stations to accuse Jews of everything from his legal woes to an alleged conspiracy to kill off elephants.
His anti-US rhetoric became equally inflammatory over the years.
In the 1972 "match of the century" in Iceland, Fischer, throwing regular tantrums over the position of cameras and the audience, relied on his own wit to end 24 years of Soviet chess supremacy by dethroning Spassky, who had by his side an army of Russian master strategists.
Fischer, whose chess education had consisted of locking himself in a room for days on end facing off against himself, refused to play again after his triumph and was stripped of his title in 1975.
His paranoia was reinforced in 1981 when his scruffy appearance made him a mistaken suspect in a California bank robbery. In another of his interviews on Filipino radio, Fischer accused the media of trying to "poison the public against me."
"They constantly use the words eccentric, eccentric, eccentric, weird," Fischer said. "I am boring. I am boring!"
He returned to chess in 1992 with a rematch against Spassky in Yugoslavia, then in the throes of the Balkan wars. At a press conference he spat on a US government notice warning him he was breaking sanctions and proceeded to defeat Spassky once again, winning more than three million dollars on which he boasted he would never pay tax.
He was back in the media spotlight on September 11, 2001 when he rang up a Filipino radio station to hail the "wonderful news" of the terrorist attacks on the United States and launch a profanity-laden anti-Jewish tirade.
"For two years of his life he completely and utterly dominated chess like no one has before," said David Edmonds, who co-authored a book on the 1972 match, "Bobby Fischer Goes to War."
"I think many in the chess world don't want Bobby Fischer's anti-Semitic and violently anti-American remarks to sully his reputation as one of the greatest chess players of all time," Edmonds said.
In one part of the September 11 broadcast, Fischer declared that "nobody has single-handedly done more for the US than me" by making it seem "as an intellectual country."
"But now I'm not useful anymore. You see, the Cold War is over and now they want to wipe me out, get everything I have, put me into prison," he said.
On July 13, 2004, Fischer was taken into custody at Tokyo's Narita airport for travelling on a passport which Washington said had been revoked.
With Japan deliberating for months on whether to send him to the United States, Iceland came to his rescue, granting him citizenship in tribute to his role in making the small island -- and the game of chess -- famous in 1972.
"He was quite happy to be in Iceland, but perhaps he felt a little bit trapped ... since he could not travel. The US government was always after him," Einarsson said Friday.
Fischer never married his Japanese fiance, the head of the Japan Chess Association Miyoko Watai, but she visited him frequently in Iceland, Einarsson said.
"She was here last week ... She has been informed" of his death, he said.
Spassky also continued to support Fischer despite the controversy. In an open letter he wrote he was ready to share a jail cell with him if Fischer was extradited to the United States.
"Just let us play chess," said the twice-defeated Spassky.
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Even though the news articles list him as half Jewish he was actually 100% Jewish but his mother lied to him about his biological father. I was very happy to see that he died when I opened the paper this morning. I have to admit that I also pitied him and felt sorry for him for being so crazy, but I'm glad that his life is over. He was one of the most outspoken and notorious anti-semites in the world and he said it was his life mission to expose "Jewish conspiracies" of all kinds. His beliefs were as bad as the worst Neo-Nazis and he advocated a holocaust against American Jews.
Yemach Shemo indeed.
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Evil self-hating Jew!
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There are no half Jews.
That's like being a little pregnant.
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Here it is.
Right from the horse's arse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbtWuwQX8Is
>:( >:(
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Even though the news articles list him as half Jewish he was actually 100% Jewish but his mother lied to him about his biological father.
qft
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I saw him interviewed on ESPN once. The interview was supposed to be only about chess and all of a sudden he went off into some evil anti-semitic rant that the Jews are the cause of all the evil in the world. When the reporter didn't agree, he kept saying, "well, you must be a Jew, must be an evil Jew." Good riddance to him.
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The man was an absolute genius when it came to playing chess. Perhaps the greatest player ever.
But as a Jew and a human being he was a vile, loathsome creature.
How tragic that such a gifted genius could go as insane as he obviously did.
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Apparently he was severely schizophrenic.
If that was the case, we really can't hold his words against him. They were spoken by a man who was quite literally, crazy.
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I saw him interviewed on ESPN once. The interview was supposed to be only about chess and all of a sudden he went off into some evil anti-semitic rant that the Jews are the cause of all the evil in the world. When the reporter didn't agree, he kept saying, "well, you must be a Jew, must be an evil Jew." Good riddance to him.
Yeah, I saw that interview too.
The funny thing was the reporter doing the interview was, in fact, a Jew. Jeremy Schapp, the son of Dick Schapp.
Fischer was absolutely nuts in that interview.
I guess we can all stop 'Searching For Bobby Fischer' now.
Good movie for those of you that haven't seen it.
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Another Nazi punished by God. Burn in hell Bobby.
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Well Said. Jew hating bastard deserved it.
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Another Nazi punished by G-d. Burn in hell Bobby.
He still was Jewish...
Not a good Jew by any means, but a Jew nonetheless...
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I don't take joy in the death of anyone.
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I don't take joy in the death of anyone.
Hitler yimach shemo ve-zichro?
The the Nazi Fischer is finally dead. What a glorious day!
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I don't take joy in the death of anyone.
Hitler yimach shemo ve-zichro?
But one cannot say YM"S after a Jew...
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Why do you consider one of the worst Jew-hating people as a Jew?
if a Flemish guy would do that, i would NOT consider him as one of my people anymore.
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I don't take joy in the death of anyone.
Hitler yimach shemo ve-zichro?
The the Nazi Fischer is finally dead. What a glorious day!
What I mean is that there are some people who deserve death or who need to die, but that doesn't mean that I am happy or celebrate about it. Hitler needed to die a long time ago but I certainly don't take joy in his death because the damage was already done. I just know that his death prevented anymore damage from being done.
Taking joy in a persons death is no different than when muslim fanatics behead a person and chant "Allah Akbar". We're not savages like the Arabs.
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Good riddance to bad garbage. The filthy animal should rest in hell
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May he rest in peace.
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May he rest in peace.
In the fires of hell :)
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May he rest in peace.
In the fires of hell :)
I think you need some anger management classes.
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I remember following the Spassky-Fischer match in 1972; at that time I knew nothing of his political beliefs. He was a hero to me [a 9 year old boy at the time]. When I learned of his anti-semitic beliefs it was a major letdown; just another scumbag who happened to be a great chessplayer. :'(
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I don't take joy in the death of anyone.
Hitler yimach shemo ve-zichro?
The the Nazi Fischer is finally dead. What a glorious day!
What I mean is that there are some people who deserve death or who need to die, but that doesn't mean that I am happy or celebrate about it. Hitler needed to die a long time ago but I certainly don't take joy in his death because the damage was already done. I just know that his death prevented anymore damage from being done.
Taking joy in a persons death is no different than when muslim fanatics behead a person and chant "Allah Akbar". We're not savages like the Arabs.
I don't understand this way of thinking.
You better believe I take joy in and celebrate Hitler's death.
I take joy in and celebrate the demise of ALL enemies of the Jewish people.
Comparing righteous people celebrating the death of evil enemies with moooozies chanting Allahu Crackwhore while chopping people's head off is beyond absurd and a completely ridiculous analogy. You're bonkers if you think celebrating the death of Fischer or Hitler makes one a savage.
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A real nutjob!
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Isn't there something in Torah about taking joy in the death of evil people?
I'm happy that Jew-hater is dead. May chumpsky and shitpiro be next!
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Hopefully, he had A LOT of sunscreen where he was going! :::D
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
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Hopefully, he had A LOT of sunscreen where he was going! :::D
I hope when he gets there he finds the brand he bought was made in China and he finds it doesn't work :o
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
so what he praised 9/11. it doesnt matter if you curse the jewish people whether your a jew or gentile you are still going to get punished by g-d. he was a kapo
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
so what he praised 9/11. it doesnt matter if you curse the jewish people whether your a jew or gentile you are still going to get punished by g-d. he was a kapo
I doesn't matter. Deep down, he still had a Jewish soul - and that you cannot curse.
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Thank G-d.
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
so what he praised 9/11. it doesnt matter if you curse the jewish people whether your a jew or gentile you are still going to get punished by g-d. he was a kapo
I doesn't matter. Deep down, he still had a Jewish soul - and that you cannot curse.
he forfieted his brit with g-d
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
so what he praised 9/11. it doesnt matter if you curse the jewish people whether your a jew or gentile you are still going to get punished by g-d. he was a kapo
I doesn't matter. Deep down, he still had a Jewish soul - and that you cannot curse.
he forfieted his brit with g-d
And you can make the judgement on this, how?
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
so what he praised 9/11. it doesnt matter if you curse the jewish people whether your a jew or gentile you are still going to get punished by g-d. he was a kapo
I doesn't matter. Deep down, he still had a Jewish soul - and that you cannot curse.
he forfieted his brit with g-d
What if schizophrenia caused him to be antisemitic?
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
so what he praised 9/11. it doesnt matter if you curse the jewish people whether your a jew or gentile you are still going to get punished by g-d. he was a kapo
I doesn't matter. Deep down, he still had a Jewish soul - and that you cannot curse.
he forfieted his brit with g-d
And you can make the judgement on this, how?
From the 1980s, however, his hatred for Jews was a major theme of his public remarks.[citation needed] He denied the "Holocaust of the Jews," announced his desire to make "expos[ing] the Jews for the criminals they are ... the murderers they are" his lifework, and argued that the United States is "a farce controlled by dirty, hook-nosed, circumcised Jew bastards."[60] "adam moad leolam" a person is responsible for something always even if he was sleeping or drunk or anything. so i dont think you can blame this on anything
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Bobby 'nut case' Fischer' was full Jew http://www.forward.com/articles/5039/
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The encyclopedia willingly complied with Fischer’s request. But recently released documents show that not only was Fischer’s mother Jewish, but his biological father probably was also.
Generally, Fischer’s biological father has been thought to be a non-Jewish German named Gerhardt Fischer. Gerhardt left Bobby’s mother three years before Bobby was born, and in researching “Bobby Fischer Goes to War,” Eidinow and David Edmonds discovered 900 pages of FBI documents that strongly suggest Bobby’s father was, in fact, the Hungarian-Jewish physicist Paul Nemenyi.
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
He was only Jewish until he made the choice not to be. I don't remember exactly what Chaim said about a year ago, but it was something along the lines of self-hating Jews not really being Jewish because the Shemona Esrai condemns heretics. By my definition, a Jew is simply someone who accepts the torah. The act of rejecting it alone is enough to cut someone away from the Jewish people. Bobby Fischer YS"Z went further and attacked it. Bobby Fischer YS"Z clearly and habitually stated that he was not Jewish and that act alone make him a non-Jew rather than a self-hating one.
Now my question is how this compares to a self hating Jew who accepts but twists the torah. Bobby Fischer attacked the torah, but what if he had just rejected it? How would that compare to a reform or conservative person who calls him or herself a rabbi and dedicates shabbat services to Martin Lucifer King YS"Z and Darfur.
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
So was the Hellenist priest who was struckt down by Machabeans, and you stil celebrate the Hanukah.
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
He was only Jewish until he made the choice not to be. I don't remember exactly what Chaim said about a year ago, but it was something along the lines of self-hating Jews not really being Jewish because the Shemona Esrai condemns heretics. By my definition, a Jew is simply someone who accepts the torah. The act of rejecting it alone is enough to cut someone away from the Jewish people. Bobby Fischer YS"Z went further and attacked it. Bobby Fischer YS"Z clearly and habitually stated that he was not Jewish and that act alone make him a non-Jew rather than a self-hating one.
He was born a Jew, therefore he is a Jew. You can't become a Goy.
Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
So was the Hellenist priest who was struck down by Machabeans, and you stil celebrate the Hanukah.
To both you and takebackourtemple, a heretic is someone who knows full well the laws of Torah and what his obligations are, and he chooses to ignore them anyway. That was what the Hellenist that Matisyahu killed was. I can guarantee you Bobby Fischer did not grow up in a frum home of any sort. It was our responsibility to bring him to Torah, and we failed.
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
He was only Jewish until he made the choice not to be. I don't remember exactly what Chaim said about a year ago, but it was something along the lines of self-hating Jews not really being Jewish because the Shemona Esrai condemns heretics. By my definition, a Jew is simply someone who accepts the torah. The act of rejecting it alone is enough to cut someone away from the Jewish people. Bobby Fischer YS"Z went further and attacked it. Bobby Fischer YS"Z clearly and habitually stated that he was not Jewish and that act alone make him a non-Jew rather than a self-hating one.
He was born a Jew, therefore he is a Jew. You can't become a Goy.
Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
So was the Hellenist priest who was struck down by Machabeans, and you stil celebrate the Hanukah.
To both you and takebackourtemple, a heretic is someone who knows full well the laws of Torah and what his obligations are, and he chooses to ignore them anyway. That was what the Hellenist that Matisyahu killed was. I can guarantee you Bobby Fischer did not grow up in a frum home of any sort. It was our responsibility to bring him to Torah, and we failed.
I'm not an expert on the Shemona Esrai, but since I'm correct anyway, I'm sure that someone else on this forum can explain it better than I can.
While being born a Jew means you don't have to go through a rigorous conversion process to earn your Neshma, it is not a free ride and must be maintained through merit. Bobby Fisher clearly rejected Judaism and by his own choice was not a Jew. Chaim was is not born orthodox either. He made the choice to embrace the torah and Bobby Fisher could have made the same choice.
Judaism is all about choice and there is no way to force anyone to the torah. While it is our responsibility to provide good guidance, it was not our responsibility to force anyone to be Jewish. He made his choice to be an anti-semite instead and there was nothing we could have done about it.
Had he changed his mind at anytime, the torah would have been there for him, but that was not the case.
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Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
He was only Jewish until he made the choice not to be. I don't remember exactly what Chaim said about a year ago, but it was something along the lines of self-hating Jews not really being Jewish because the Shemona Esrai condemns heretics. By my definition, a Jew is simply someone who accepts the torah. The act of rejecting it alone is enough to cut someone away from the Jewish people. Bobby Fischer YS"Z went further and attacked it. Bobby Fischer YS"Z clearly and habitually stated that he was not Jewish and that act alone make him a non-Jew rather than a self-hating one.
He was born a Jew, therefore he is a Jew. You can't become a Goy.
Does anyone else understand that he still was Jewish?
So was the Hellenist priest who was struck down by Machabeans, and you stil celebrate the Hanukah.
To both you and takebackourtemple, a heretic is someone who knows full well the laws of Torah and what his obligations are, and he chooses to ignore them anyway. That was what the Hellenist that Matisyahu killed was. I can guarantee you Bobby Fischer did not grow up in a frum home of any sort. It was our responsibility to bring him to Torah, and we failed.
I'm not an expert on the Shemona Esrai, but since I'm correct anyway, I'm sure that someone else on this forum can explain it better than I can.
While being born a Jew means you don't have to go through a rigorous conversion process to earn your Neshma, it is not a free ride and must be maintained through merit. Bobby Fisher clearly rejected Judaism and by his own choice was not a Jew. Chaim was is not born orthodox either. He made the choice to embrace the torah and Bobby Fisher could have made the same choice.
Really? So who taught Bobby Fischer about Yiddishkeit? I'd like to know...
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Sad to say but Bobby Fisher was as Jewish as the Sulzberger family of the NYNT & the family of Karl Marx.
He was no asset to the Jewish people if only for his 9/11 remarks.
No big loss.
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Really? So who taught Bobby Fischer about Yiddishkeit? I'd like to know...
I'm going to start by distinguishing Yiddishkeit from Judaism since the latter is the one that I practice. I count Jews of all backgrounds as Jewish and will go to Sephardic Bait Knessim as well as those of my grandparents and parents. I see the one who taught me to be Jewish is the same as the one that taught Bobby Fisher to be. Taking a look at Bobby's history, I see poor parents in his case. While Bobby received an education in chess, rather than Torah, he did grow up in Brooklyn with other Jews. Even if his mother was not the greatest in the world, there was no shortage of rabbi's and peers to introduce him to the torah. Not everybody has to go through years of yeshivot to be Jewish. People receive different educations, but still receive what they need. In Bobby's case he had less of an education, he also had a higher IQ to compensate for what he did have. This brings me to my answer and my answer is "Hashem".
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I'll tell you what. If Chaim states otherwise, I will drop my case about Bobby Fischer. If he states that Bobby Fischer no longer was a Jew, I hope you will take that into consideration. If he gives a mixed answer(like you are both right) we can continue the debate from there.