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Oxford Union stages 'farcical' debate
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Oxford University's debating society is being accused of childishness and sensationalism by Jewish groups after inviting participants with alleged anti-Israel backgrounds to support a motion questioning Israel's right to exist in a debate on Thursday.
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The title of Thursday's Middle East debate is "This House believes that the State of Israel has a right to exist." But questions are being asked as to the likely tone of discussion and vote, since not only the opposers of the motion, but also the proposers, are considered detractors of Israel. "All Oxford students with sense should stay away from this farce," said a Zionist Federation official.
Proposing the motion are Norman Finkelstein, formally of De Paul University in Chicago, and Ted Honderich, professor of philosophy at University College London.
Finkelstein's books include The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering and Image and Reality of the Israel-Eretz Yisrael Conflict. On his Web site, he hosts Brazilian cartoonist Latuff, whose work won second prize in Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial art competition in December 2006.
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Finkelstein is speaking at a number of campuses in the UK this week. His "UK tour," entitled "Eretz Yisrael's occupation: Roots of conflict and prospects for peace," is organized by the Federation of Student Islamic Societies, which support a "one-state" solution, and supported by the PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi Solidarity Campaign and Action on Eretz Yisrael.
At a rally in New York opposing the 2006 Lebanon war, Finkelstein said: "Every victory for Hizbullah over Israel is... a victory for liberty and a victory for freedom..."
For his part, Honderich, in his book After the Terror, published in 2003, wrote: "All of us should take part in all forms of boycott against retail stores and other businesses dealing with neo-Zionist Israel, divestment, civil disobedience, non-cooperation, not voting, picketing, ostracism, naming, symbolic public acts, strikes and whatever else is rational against neo-Zionism."
In his 2006 book Humanity, Terrorism, Terrorist War: Eretz Yisrael, 9/11, Iraq, 7/7, Honderich defends Zionism, defined as the creation of Israel in its original borders, but also states that PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis have had a moral right to their liberation - to "terrorism within historic Eretz Yisrael" against what he calls the "ethnic cleansing of Neo-Zionism," the expansion of Israel beyond its original borders.
"Oxford Union has embarrassed itself and its institution once again soon after the invitations [it issued] to David Irving and the leader of the far-right British National Party [Nick Griffin]," said Gavin Gross, director of Public Affairs at the Zionist Federation. "Norman Finkelstein issued public expressions of support for Hizbullah during its war against Israel and Ted Honderich has written in support of boycotting and divesting from Israel, yet these are the two speakers chosen to debate in Israel's defense! All Oxford students with sense should stay away from this farce."
"The Oxford Union has shown quite clearly that it is more interested in sensationalism than constructive debate," Jon Benjamin, chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said. "This event stands alongside recent invitations to far-right hardliners, Holocaust deniers and a conspiracy theorist whose bizarre writings place him off the scale of rational thought. This ridiculous spectacle, where those arguing both for and against a proposition are all of the same view, demonstrates how low this once venerable institution has stooped."
Opposing the motion in the Oxford debate is PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi scholar and activist Ghada Karmi, who believes that Jews do not constitute a nation and they lack "biological, racial or national characteristics."
Joining Karmi is Israeli academic Ilan Pappe, currently at Exeter University in the UK.
Last February, Pappe declared his warm friendship with Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh and suggested that Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah "should be put on the committee to decide the future of Israel."
Emily Partington, president of Oxford University Union told The Jerusalem Post: "The motion was decided upon as it is a current topic of discussion, and people who might not have extensive knowledge about the State of Israel may well question the existence of a state which appears to differ so greatly from others. Much of the interest in the motion derives from the debate about what constitutes Israel, and what Israel does. All of the participants in the debate will be arguing from their own independent perspectives, rather than representing anything or anyone else."
I hope this female dog is kidnapped by moslems and sold to the most into the most brutal harem in saudi arabia
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you can hate England, but it is a lack of England , that is causing your hate.
This has nothing to do with the Empire it once was.
This is a country taken over by P.C.-hippie-muslim-lover-scum.
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I wish independence, strength and safety to Ireland, Scottland and Wales.
But I hope the English are exterminated.
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I wish independence, strength and safety to Ireland, Scottland and Wales.
But I hope the English are exterminated.
And Cornish i know a person who comes from the Cornish area when you ask the person what they are they say Cornish
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
thank you. It makes me feel very sad if I sometimes read people's plans to nuke "England faggots scheisser-movie-euro-trash"
Anyone knows that the average English and Europeans, that are confronted with the reality of immigrants taking over,
are hating the [censored] of the communist leadership of the EU.
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
The "blacks and muzzies " would amount to NOTHING if not for the panty-waisted english who bend over for them. The English are a disgrace to REAL anglo-saxons in Australia and the USA. I hope they're wiped out.
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
The "blacks and muzzies " would amount to NOTHING if not for the panty-waisted english who bend over for them. The English are a disgrace to REAL anglo-saxons in Australia and the USA. I hope they're wiped out.
If the BNP got elected and kicked the immigrants out of England.I think the BNP has evolved and is not anti Jewsish anymore
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
thank you. It makes me feel very sad if I sometimes read people's plans to nuke "England faggots scheisser-movie-euro-trash"
Anyone knows that the average English and Europeans, that are confronted with the reality of immigrants taking over,
are hating the excrement of the communist leadership of the EU.
I have alot ot do with real Brits, and I feel for them, but 20 years ago they were warned. But the Lefties had to have their way. England was to kind in some ways for their own good.
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
The "blacks and muzzies " would amount to NOTHING if not for the panty-waisted english who bend over for them. The English are a disgrace to REAL anglo-saxons in Australia and the USA. I hope they're wiped out.
I don't agree. You are to Irish newman :::D
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The moslems made a deal with E.U. you take our moslems and we'll sell you oil at a reasonable price
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The moslems made a deal with E.U. you take our moslems and we'll sell you oil at a reasonable price
Well whos fault was the E.U did they really think that was going to work ::)
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
The "blacks and muzzies " would amount to NOTHING if not for the panty-waisted english who bend over for them. The English are a disgrace to REAL anglo-saxons in Australia and the USA. I hope they're wiped out.
That's insane. I totally disagree. The Colonisation of England by the blacks and muzzies, is in reality not to be
spoken in a negative way about, or , an Anglo-Saxon gets big problems.
There is a hidden tyranny at work, that some people, like you don't seem to understand.
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Saoirse (freedom) for Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and Isle of Man!
I'd like to see the liberal morons at Oxford hold the debate "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has no right to exist"...which it doesn't. The UK is an artificial creation of a Nation State based upon the domination of the Celts by the Anglo-Saxons. It was wrong and evil to begin with and is so now and is only getting worse because this misguided notion of a state, based on the "multiculturalism" of Celts and Anglos living together, that has been used by liberal/socialist Brits to allow for the massive migration of Muslims and other Third World populations into the Islands. But luckily because of economic reasons most of this immigration has been confined to England. Lets hope that Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall save themselves before it is too late!
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The moslems made a deal with E.U. you take our moslems and we'll sell you oil at a reasonable price
Well whos fault was the E.U did they really think that was going to work ::)
EUSSR is a "conspiracy" to destroy Europe, and to build an empire called Eurabia.
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The moslems made a deal with E.U. you take our moslems and we'll sell you oil at a reasonable price
Well whos fault was the E.U did they really think that was going to work ::)
EUSSR is a "conspiracy" to destroy Europe, and to build an empire called Eurabia.
I agree, there was nothing good in that agreement, only stripping nations of who they are, their culture. :(
I like individual countries not this mash of nothingness.
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
The "blacks and muzzies " would amount to NOTHING if not for the panty-waisted english who bend over for them. The English are a disgrace to REAL anglo-saxons in Australia and the USA. I hope they're wiped out.
If the BNP got elected and kicked the immigrants out of England.I think the BNP has evolved and is not anti Jewsish anymore
No the BNP is a neo-Nazi party. They try to hide it but one does not have to dig very far to discover their true beliefs and intentions. The BNP have recently been trying to remake themselves, putting on nice suits and no longer acting like Nazi's in public, as has David Duke. But they are still the same group of neo-Nazi scum!
"I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat ... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."
~Nick Griffin 1998-FOUNDER of the BNP!
BNP=Nazi Scum!
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The moslems made a deal with E.U. you take our moslems and we'll sell you oil at a reasonable price
Well whos fault was the E.U did they really think that was going to work ::)
EUSSR is a "conspiracy" to destroy Europe, and to build an empire called Eurabia.
I agree, there was nothing good in that agreement, only stripping nations of who they are, their culture. :(
I like individual countries not this mash of nothingness.
The reason why the muslims came in was , after WWII, there were not enough men to work in the steel industry, and in the coal mines.
the concept of EU, was to create an economical zone of free trade.
Now we see , the EU is becoming a one-state, one-party, one-leader nazi-soviet government.
The reason why Newman wants to wipe out the English, I agree with:
We should wipe out left-wing "democrats".
They are the disease, the collaborators with Islam and Soviet-Nazi-government.
BTW ; is it any better in the USA?
Is it really better in Australia?
I can only hope so !
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
The "blacks and muzzies " would amount to NOTHING if not for the panty-waisted english who bend over for them. The English are a disgrace to REAL anglo-saxons in Australia and the USA. I hope they're wiped out.
If the BNP got elected and kicked the immigrants out of England.I think the BNP has evolved and is not anti Jewsish anymore
No the BNP is a neo-Nazi party. They try to hide it but one does not have to dig very far to discover their true beliefs and intentions. The BNP have recently been trying to remake themselves, putting on nice suits and no longer acting like Nazi's in public, as has David Duke. But they are still the same group of neo-Nazi scum!
"I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat ... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."
~Nick Griffin 1998-FOUNDER of the BNP!
BNP=Nazi Scum!
Some of these nazis, seem to become anti-nazi, or even Zionists.
Maybe you are wrong, maybe not.
I don't know.
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The moslems made a deal with E.U. you take our moslems and we'll sell you oil at a reasonable price
Well whos fault was the E.U did they really think that was going to work ::)
EUSSR is a "conspiracy" to destroy Europe, and to build an empire called Eurabia.
I agree, there was nothing good in that agreement, only stripping nations of who they are, their culture. :(
I like individual countries not this mash of nothingness.
The reason why the muslims came in was , after WWII, there were not enough men to work in the steel industry, and in the coal mines.
the concept of EU, was to create an economical zone of free trade.
Now we see , the EU is becoming a one-state, one-party, one-leader nazi-soviet government.
The reason why Newman wants to wipe out the English, I agree with:
We should wipe out left-wing "democrats".
They are the disease, the collaborators with Islam and Soviet-Nazi-government.
BTW ; is it any better in the USA?
Is it really better in Australia?
I can only hope so !
We are different in Australia, we have the Aisans that wnat the land more than the Muslims lol
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The moslems made a deal with E.U. you take our moslems and we'll sell you oil at a reasonable price
Well whos fault was the E.U did they really think that was going to work ::)
EUSSR is a "conspiracy" to destroy Europe, and to build an empire called Eurabia.
I agree, there was nothing good in that agreement, only stripping nations of who they are, their culture. :(
I like individual countries not this mash of nothingness.
The reason why the muslims came in was , after WWII, there were not enough men to work in the steel industry, and in the coal mines.
the concept of EU, was to create an economical zone of free trade.
Now we see , the EU is becoming a one-state, one-party, one-leader nazi-soviet government.
The reason why Newman wants to wipe out the English, I agree with:
We should wipe out left-wing "democrats".
They are the disease, the collaborators with Islam and Soviet-Nazi-government.
BTW ; is it any better in the USA?
Is it really better in Australia?
I can only hope so !
We are different in Australia, we have the Aisans that wnat the land more than the Muslims lol
They colonise you more than the muzzies?
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The moslems made a deal with E.U. you take our moslems and we'll sell you oil at a reasonable price
Well whos fault was the E.U did they really think that was going to work ::)
EUSSR is a "conspiracy" to destroy Europe, and to build an empire called Eurabia.
I agree, there was nothing good in that agreement, only stripping nations of who they are, their culture. :(
I like individual countries not this mash of nothingness.
The reason why the muslims came in was , after WWII, there were not enough men to work in the steel industry, and in the coal mines.
the concept of EU, was to create an economical zone of free trade.
Now we see , the EU is becoming a one-state, one-party, one-leader nazi-soviet government.
The reason why Newman wants to wipe out the English, I agree with:
We should wipe out left-wing "democrats".
They are the disease, the collaborators with Islam and Soviet-Nazi-government.
BTW ; is it any better in the USA?
Is it really better in Australia?
I can only hope so !
We are different in Australia, we have the Aisans that wnat the land more than the Muslims lol
They colonise you more than the muzzies?
OH yeah the own most of the east coast.
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I like England, just its over run by blacks and muzzies :(
The "blacks and muzzies " would amount to NOTHING if not for the panty-waisted english who bend over for them. The English are a disgrace to REAL anglo-saxons in Australia and the USA. I hope they're wiped out.
If the BNP got elected and kicked the immigrants out of England.I think the BNP has evolved and is not anti Jewsish anymore
No the BNP is a neo-Nazi party. They try to hide it but one does not have to dig very far to discover their true beliefs and intentions. The BNP have recently been trying to remake themselves, putting on nice suits and no longer acting like Nazi's in public, as has David Duke. But they are still the same group of neo-Nazi scum!
"I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that six million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat ... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."
~Nick Griffin 1998-FOUNDER of the BNP!
BNP=Nazi Scum!
Some of these nazis, seem to become anti-nazi, or even Zionists.
Maybe you are wrong, maybe not.
I don't know.
Why because English fascists have finally realized that Holocaust denial is not a wise political stance, one that will always get in the way of them coming to power, so they pretend to believe otherwise? Because one BNP member, TavorIMI, comes on here to promote his neo-Nazi party? Talk to some Jews that live in Britain and they will tell you what the BNP are- the heirs to the National Front.
The BNP was founded by Nick Griffin who just 10 years ago was still publishing the neo-Nazi magazine the Rune and making statements about the "Holohoax" and how Jews controlled Britain through the media. He still has open links with the French National Front and Le Pen, Griffin himself is a former high ranking member of the British National Front an openly neo-Nazi party. He has praised white hater and anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan. He has praised Qaddafi and Ayatollah Khomeini.He is still meets and is friendly with David Irving and David Duke...actually he is quite like David Duke. He lies and says he has changed some of his past views and renounced violence in order to try and be more mainstream.
Having some sympathy for Zionism also does not disqualify someone from being a Nazi, even though I highly doubt the BNP's sincerity on this (Griffin also has made common cause with Islamists stating that he did not care if they created strict sharia regimes in the Middle East, which would threaten Israel, so long as doing so would curb immigration to the UK), many of the Nazi's of WWII were willing to let Jews live just as long as they would be expelled from Europe...don't be fooled the BNP still support kicking the Jews out of Britain they have not changed.
Don't be fooled the BNP are Nazi's!
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I think this debate is a real change, if they would invite our good Chaim.
I think Finkelstein the Muzzies and leftists will get a heart attack ;D
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I think this debate is a real change, if they would invite our good Chaim.
I think Finkelstein the Muzzies and leftists will get a heart attack ;D
Yes that would be great!! Finkelstein lost his job he now lives in Coney Island with the blacks :::D :::D
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The moslems made a deal with E.U. you take our moslems and we'll sell you oil at a reasonable price
Well whos fault was the E.U did they really think that was going to work ::)
EUSSR is a "conspiracy" to destroy Europe, and to build an empire called Eurabia.
I agree, there was nothing good in that agreement, only stripping nations of who they are, their culture. :(
I like individual countries not this mash of nothingness.
The reason why the muslims came in was , after WWII, there were not enough men to work in the steel industry, and in the coal mines.
the concept of EU, was to create an economical zone of free trade.
Now we see , the EU is becoming a one-state, one-party, one-leader nazi-soviet government.
The reason why Newman wants to wipe out the English, I agree with:
We should wipe out left-wing "democrats".
They are the disease, the collaborators with Islam and Soviet-Nazi-government.
BTW ; is it any better in the USA?
Is it really better in Australia?
I can only hope so !
We are different in Australia, we have the Aisans that wnat the land more than the Muslims lol
They colonise you more than the muzzies?
OH yeah the own most of the east coast.
I didn't know that.
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This is the nation which once colonized and ruled the world.
One could almost draw the conclusion that they are now being paid back with interest; overrun and enslaved by the same peoples they once ruled over.
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This is the nation which once colonized and ruled the world.
One could almost draw the conclusion that they are now being paid back with interest; overrun and enslaved by the same peoples they once ruled over.
Exellent views MassuhD. I couldn't have stated it any better. My father is from Camdentown, London's East End, and he says that he'll never go back. His specific quote was that "my country has turned into an island of bloody foreigners."
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This is the nation which once colonized and ruled the world.
One could almost draw the conclusion that they are now being paid back with interest; overrun and enslaved by the same peoples they once ruled over.
Exactly and well said O0
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It's easy to hate England.
I used to hate them.
Now my feelings towards England are complex.
England and the U.S.A. are "family"; it's not possible to understand the origins of America without first studying the history of England.
In addition, there are few places on the planet which were not colonized by England.
All of Asia, the Middle East, the Caribbean, North America, Hawaii, Africa....all share an extensive history with England.
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I think all the Normas: Brits must leave Anglo-Saxon: England as they've been "occupying" their lands since William I, 1027 – 1087: (William the Conqueror) lead an army of Normans to victory over the Anglo-Saxon forces lead by Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Hastings, and suppressed subsequent English revolts to claim the English crown in what has become known as the Norman Conquest. Those damn Imperialists! How dare they steal the land from the Anglo-Saxons ;)
There is a very good book about the influence of the British Fabian Socialist Society in America but the first 1/4 of the book is Fabian History in England and how its goals and peoples working from within changed the face of England and the British Empire... O0
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Who doesn't hate the poms?
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I love the Anglo-Saxons O0
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I love the Anglo-Saxons O0
Yes, righteous pro-Israel conservatve Anglo-Saxons O0 O0 O0
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London is even more leftwing than San Francisco. The English are yellow, tuchis-kissing appeasers.
Most of the warrior English were killed in WWII.
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Copied from the thread "A Problem in Europe":
It's about time these Brits got some balls and reported something factually correct for a change...
Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acud7yLM4Z4
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I love the Anglo-Saxons O0
Yes, righteous pro-Israel conservatve Anglo-Saxons O0 O0 O0
And some others ;)