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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: MasterWolf1 on January 30, 2008, 10:15:54 AM
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According to most polls, Huckabee gotten 13% of critical votes that could of either narrow the gap between McCain and Romney or with the so called more conservatives edge favor towards Romney. No offense, I think Huckabee is in a slight dream world if he thinks he will be effective finishing in a VERY VERY crucial state like Florida which normally do decide elections. No canddiate can win without winning Southern States this has been well common trough out the elections of the past. Now that Rudy is dropping Huckabee has to those swing votes could of actually helped Mitt. In fact it not only hurts Mitt but HELPS MCPAIN.
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I am angry about this, I warned you all.. Wasted votes thats what that 13% was. This thing that happen in Florida is HUGE for McCain, that state usually determins presidents. And some people still are hopefull with this wasted vote. You know when a ship is sinking don't hang around with the captain... JUMP OFF.
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I am angry about this, I warned you all.. Wasted votes thats what that 13% was. This thing that happen in Florida is HUGE for McCain, that state usually determins presidents. And some people still are hopefull with this wasted vote. You know when a ship is sinking don't hang around with the captain... JUMP OFF.
says you who was going to vote for ruudy :rolleyes:
coulda woulda shoulda,, romney spent millions in florida, huckabee spent zero, and nearly beat your man THAT YOU WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR(RUTH JULIANI) . He a mormon, hes so unlikable its uncanny, and in the super tuesaday, hes not even competitive....
He has the whole media of hannity, rush and glen beck and all that money and he wont even beat mccaine.
At least huckabee had fred thompson doing a 1 man tirade against him and he still only lost by 3 percent...whats romneys excuse
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I am angry about this, I warned you all.. Wasted votes thats what that 13% was. This thing that happen in Florida is HUGE for McCain, that state usually determins presidents. And some people still are hopefull with this wasted vote. You know when a ship is sinking don't hang around with the captain... JUMP OFF.
says you who was going to vote for ruudy :rolleyes:
coulda woulda shoulda,, romney spent millions in florida, huckabee spent zero, and nearly beat your man THAT YOU WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR(RUTH JULIANI) . He a mormon, hes so unlikable its uncanny, and in the super tuesaday, hes not even competitive....
He has the whole media of hannity, rush and glen beck and all that money and he wont even beat mccaine.
At least huckabee had fred thompson doing a 1 man tirade against him and he still only lost by 3 percent...whats romneys excuse
You obviously have reading comprehension problem Rudy is also a dead subject. ANd you still are drooling over a wasted candidate's vote and dont bring up Thompson the guy can't even attract flies around him. If you vote for Huckabee then you wasted a very critical vote that could stop McCain. You obviously aren't too bright on this subject.
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I think there is only one on the platform that is not a part of the Establishment, for good or for bad, it is Ron Paul. MassuhD may well be right....
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I am angry about this, I warned you all.. Wasted votes thats what that 13% was. This thing that happen in Florida is HUGE for McCain, that state usually determins presidents. And some people still are hopefull with this wasted vote. You know when a ship is sinking don't hang around with the captain... JUMP OFF.
says you who was going to vote for ruudy :rolleyes:
coulda woulda shoulda,, romney spent millions in florida, huckabee spent zero, and nearly beat your man THAT YOU WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR(RUTH JULIANI) . He a mormon, hes so unlikable its uncanny, and in the super tuesaday, hes not even competitive....
He has the whole media of hannity, rush and glen beck and all that money and he wont even beat mccaine.
At least huckabee had fred thompson doing a 1 man tirade against him and he still only lost by 3 percent...whats romneys excuse
LOL Hannity? Hannity is a joke and I can care less if Romney is a Mormon so why should you? What does him being a Mormon has anything to do on stopping McCain. Besides the fact McCain is an extreme disaster, he will be 75 years old. If McCain is nominated, Many republicans wont vote for him some may stay home that gives the election to Hillary. SO Huckabee is a dead duck. And Unlike Rudy atleast he knows when to bow out.. Huckster is a fool if he stays and bring these wasted votes to him. That doesn't really help him it helps McCain.
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I think there is only one on the platform that is not a part of the Establishment, for good or for bad, it is Ron Paul. MassuhD may well be right....
Marz, is he really going to stay? Atleast you got some sense. Huckabee is a disaster for everyone if it comes down to it. People call him righteous I see him as Bush's father and Carter rolled into 1
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I am angry about this, I warned you all.. Wasted votes thats what that 13% was. This thing that happen in Florida is HUGE for McCain, that state usually determins presidents. And some people still are hopefull with this wasted vote. You know when a ship is sinking don't hang around with the captain... JUMP OFF.
says you who was going to vote for ruudy :rolleyes:
coulda woulda shoulda,, romney spent millions in florida, huckabee spent zero, and nearly beat your man THAT YOU WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR(RUTH JULIANI) . He a mormon, hes so unlikable its uncanny, and in the super tuesaday, hes not even competitive....
He has the whole media of hannity, rush and glen beck and all that money and he wont even beat mccaine.
At least huckabee had fred thompson doing a 1 man tirade against him and he still only lost by 3 percent...whats romneys excuse
You obviously have reading comprehension problem Rudy is also a dead subject. ANd you still are drooling over a wasted candidate's vote and dont bring up Thompson the guy can't even attract flies around him. If you vote for Huckabee then you wasted a very critical vote that could stop McCain. You obviously aren't too bright on this subject.
Do you not understand about nthe bible belt, romney has no chance against mccaine in new york now, so its down to the southern states, where huckabee is FAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR more competitive than romney and has a GREAT shot at defeating mccaine, especially the fact that fox hates mccaine more than huckabee....
Romney had to wind florida, hes is tremendously weakened by tis, he out spent mccaine by goodness knows how many and lost by 3 percent, hes just not likable, even if he did win(he wont) the clinton machine would tear this flip floppper who ran LEFT of ted kennedy apart....
I really feel JTF should hulk up and bite there tongue and go all out for huckabee where he could beat mccaine in texas which is 140 delegates...
As for murtaza and ron paul, you really are wasting your vote...
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I think there is only one on the platform that is not a part of the Establishment, for good or for bad, it is Ron Paul. MassuhD may well be right....
Marz, is he really going to stay? Atleast you got some sense. Huckabee is a disaster for everyone if it comes down to it. People call him righteous I see him as Bush's father and Carter rolled into 1
you see him???Prove it, ive debunked your tax hike mike rubbish, everything against huckabee sare lies, he defeated the clintons in arkansas he can defeat them for real...
What makes masterwolfs judgement not to be taken seriously is the fact that he supported ruudy WHO LOST TO HILARY BEFORE....
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I am angry about this, I warned you all.. Wasted votes thats what that 13% was. This thing that happen in Florida is HUGE for McCain, that state usually determins presidents. And some people still are hopefull with this wasted vote. You know when a ship is sinking don't hang around with the captain... JUMP OFF.
says you who was going to vote for ruudy :rolleyes:
coulda woulda shoulda,, romney spent millions in florida, huckabee spent zero, and nearly beat your man THAT YOU WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR(RUTH JULIANI) . He a mormon, hes so unlikable its uncanny, and in the super tuesaday, hes not even competitive....
He has the whole media of hannity, rush and glen beck and all that money and he wont even beat mccaine.
At least huckabee had fred thompson doing a 1 man tirade against him and he still only lost by 3 percent...whats romneys excuse
You obviously have reading comprehension problem Rudy is also a dead subject. ANd you still are drooling over a wasted candidate's vote and dont bring up Thompson the guy can't even attract flies around him. If you vote for Huckabee then you wasted a very critical vote that could stop McCain. You obviously aren't too bright on this subject.
Do you not understand about nthe bible belt, romney has no chance against mccaine in new york now, so its down to the southern states, where huckabee is FAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR more competitive than romney and has a GREAT shot at defeating mccaine, especially the fact that fox hates mccaine more than huckabee....
Romney had to wind florida, hes is tremendously weakened by tis, he out spent mccaine by goodness knows how many and lost by 3 percent, hes just not likable, even if he did win(he wont) the clinton machine would tear this flip floppper who ran LEFT of ted kennedy apart....
I really feel JTF should hulk up and bite there tongue and go all out for huckabee where he could beat mccaine in texas which is 140 delegates...
As for murtaza and ron paul, you really are wasting your vote...
I got news for you they all flip flop even your wasted candidate. JTF knows when there is a candidate that is folding to back off. Huckabee not only will not be getting the nomination he will no way in hell defeat the Dems. Those percent votes in a major southern State like Florida that has a divided delegate between Reps and Dems do decide. Even the evangelicalls which is huge in Florida figured that Huckabee may not be exactly it. Look I been doing this politic stuff for 15 years. And at this point they are wasted votes for Huckabee. Next week is the primary in NY my vote is Romney.
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I think there is only one on the platform that is not a part of the Establishment, for good or for bad, it is Ron Paul. MassuhD may well be right....
Marz, is he really going to stay? Atleast you got some sense. Huckabee is a disaster for everyone if it comes down to it. People call him righteous I see him as Bush's father and Carter rolled into 1
you see him???Prove it, ive debunked your tax hike mike rubbish, everything against huckabee sare lies, he defeated the clintons in arkansas he can defeat them for real...
What makes masterwolfs judgement not to be taken seriously is the fact that he supported ruudy WHO LOST TO HILARY BEFORE....
He did not defeat the Clintons in Arkansas he became Gov after the Clintons went to Washington so what the hell are you talking about
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MW you pose good questions. To be honest, I don't know because the media is staying away from him but apparently he's raised more money than any of the politicians running including Hilary Clinton. The fact that the mainstream media either avoids him or attacks him while affording him no attention to any of his platform is simply suspect.
I do not agree with all of his principles, but many I do. I do not believe that he is a "Nazi", although these groups support him though I've already refuted this arguement, but I do feel that he's the best there is because he is non-aligned. I think that he has the money to stay in the runnings. The sad thing is the structure of your American political "two party" system. The sad fact is that there is no difference between a McCain, Bush, Clinton or Obama in all actuality. If Paul does run, he'll have to run as an independant (if he can now do so) in order not to split the vote thus giving Obama or some parasite leftist the Presidency.
In my humble opinion, I feel MassuhD was probably more right than wrong on Paul and a number of members of JTF aught to grant him an apology. NO Paul is not the best but he IS the only one that is totally unaffiliated with the Establishement that has been sinking America since the days of Woodrow Wilson. :)
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And Prior to Flo. The Rudy ticket was needed to pull votes away from McCain, that helped Romney in S.C. Now that Rudy is going it is all Romney at this point, Hey you can vote for whomever you like but a vote at this point for someone coming in 4th in Florida is really a gimmic vote. McCain is already ahead in the largest delegate state in the Union California.
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MW you pose good questions. To be honest, I don't know because the media is staying away from him but apparently he's raised more money than any of the politicians running including Hilary Clinton. The fact that the mainstream media either avoids him or attacks him while affording him no attention to any of his platform is simply suspect.
I do not agree with all of his principles, but many I do. I do not believe that he is a "Nazi", although these groups support him though I've already refuted this arguement, but I do feel that he's the best there is because he is non-aligned. I think that he has the money to stay in the runnings. The sad thing is the structure of your American political "two party" system. The sad fact is that there is no difference between a McCain, Bush, Clinton or Obama in all actuality. If Paul does run, he'll have to run as an independant (if he can now do so) in order not to split the vote thus giving Obama or some parasite leftist the Presidency.
In my humble opinion, I feel MassuhD was probably more right than wrong on Paul and a number of members of JTF aught to grant him an apology. NO Paul is not the best but he IS the only one that is totally unaffiliated with the Establishement that has been sinking America since the days of Woodrow Wilson. :)
I am sure one day we will have that 3rd party that will be a true movement that will bring this country back to what our founding fathers and constitution was for. My problem with Paul is his comments about 911. That alone is a massive turn off. How ever we do need a strong third party. Not these silly Ross Perot types that is really there for entertainment.
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I think factually correct history dictates that one needs a totally unaffiliated individual to run as if one looks at the past history of winners of the Presidency they've won on "rightwing" issues. Even Jimmy Carter preached right wing Christian American propaganda to allow him to win, Bush as well. How did it turn out? Bush, who is supposedly a "right wing" "christian" was the most Leftwing President in American History. He's expanded the government and championed more Socialist causes than Bill Clinton....but does it matter? No not really because they are all members of the same, like minded, international socialist/Elitist organizations... point....
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You are right about Ron Paul's comments on 911. But was/is he more informed than we are? Afterall, he's been a Senitor for how long? Paul is mislead on Islam, but his ideas on American Foreign Policy may well be spot on. In all honesty, I hope Paul wins as I'd much rather a real change than the continual decline into Socialism and corruption...
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I am angry about this, I warned you all.. Wasted votes thats what that 13% was. This thing that happen in Florida is HUGE for McCain, that state usually determins presidents. And some people still are hopefull with this wasted vote. You know when a ship is sinking don't hang around with the captain... JUMP OFF.
says you who was going to vote for ruudy :rolleyes:
coulda woulda shoulda,, romney spent millions in florida, huckabee spent zero, and nearly beat your man THAT YOU WERE GOING TO VOTE FOR(RUTH JULIANI) . He a mormon, hes so unlikable its uncanny, and in the super tuesaday, hes not even competitive....
He has the whole media of hannity, rush and glen beck and all that money and he wont even beat mccaine.
At least huckabee had fred thompson doing a 1 man tirade against him and he still only lost by 3 percent...whats romneys excuse
You obviously have reading comprehension problem Rudy is also a dead subject. ANd you still are drooling over a wasted candidate's vote and dont bring up Thompson the guy can't even attract flies around him. If you vote for Huckabee then you wasted a very critical vote that could stop McCain. You obviously aren't too bright on this subject.
Do you not understand about nthe bible belt, romney has no chance against mccaine in new york now, so its down to the southern states, where huckabee is FAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRR more competitive than romney and has a GREAT shot at defeating mccaine, especially the fact that fox hates mccaine more than huckabee....
Romney had to wind florida, hes is tremendously weakened by tis, he out spent mccaine by goodness knows how many and lost by 3 percent, hes just not likable, even if he did win(he wont) the clinton machine would tear this flip floppper who ran LEFT of ted kennedy apart....
I really feel JTF should hulk up and bite there tongue and go all out for huckabee where he could beat mccaine in texas which is 140 delegates...
As for murtaza and ron paul, you really are wasting your vote...
I got news for you they all flip flop even your wasted candidate. JTF knows when there is a candidate that is folding to back off. Huckabee not only will not be getting the nomination he will no way in hell defeat the Dems. Those percent votes in a major southern State like Florida that has a divided delegate between Reps and Dems do decide. Even the evangelicalls which is huge in Florida figured that Huckabee may not be exactly it. Look I been doing this politic stuff for 15 years. And at this point they are wasted votes for Huckabee. Next week is the primary in NY my vote is Romney.
But your logic is pathetic at best masterwolf, honestly do you read your own posts???
Firslty huckabee has not flip flopped on one matter, not one, his social conservative record was second to none unlike romney...his belief in the 2nd ammendment is spot on unlike romney...
What makes me laugh is go claim huckabee would get wasted by the democrats, yet are completely blind to see that romney has no chance of beating the clinton, absolutely no chance. The evangelicals wont vote for him that big in the southern states, where rebluckicans win big.
Look how much money hes spent and tell me honestly if he going to beat the clintons...
Oh and i dont want any "hes more likely than huckabee" rubbish, if he cant beat huckabee is iowa after spending 20 to 1 there, how on earth is he going to beat the clinton machine...
Face it masterwolf, you are talking baloney and you know it....
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It makes no difference C4J if Huck, McCain, Clinton, Obama or Rudy wins because they are all either members or closely aligned with the Eastern Establishment: CFR, Tri-Lateral and the rest of these Elitist "Neo" Con, International Socialist institutions. So the base on the ground is that nothing will change and America will continually decline into Socialism and debasement.
The ONLY way to attempt to make a change in America is to elect someone who is non-aligned or even anti-Establisment. That said, Ron Paul is the only, no matter how much I disagree with some of his specifities, politician worth electing...
One commentator said that "Bush is a big disappointment"....what the hell does anyone expect when this fellow and the vast majority surrounding him are members of the exact same like minded organizations? Can anyone really expect any difference? ???
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C4J must be living under a rock if he thinks that Huckster isn't a flip flopper. His Gov career shown that clearly. They all are like this.
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C4J must be living under a rock if he thinks that Huckster isn't a flip flopper. His Gov career shown that clearly. They all are like this.
prove it, arkansaw he turned a 250 million defficent into a 850 million surplus, plase tell me how that wasa failure, and romney raised taxes like a house on fire...far more than huckabee...plus uckabee tax raises were voted by the people, so they could build a 400 million dolla road that created 40 000 jobs.
Please show me what romney did is mass....
And i ask you again, if romney loses to mccaine and huckabee whilst spending 20 to 1 against them, why do you think he could beat the clintons, that is so illogical its halarious.....
One commentator said that "Bush is a big disappointment"....what the hell does anyone expect when this fellow and the vast majority surrounding him are members of the exact same like minded organizations? Can anyone really expect any difference? ???
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PMSL how is huckabee establisment???Thats why he gets slated by evil pseudo fox news, because hes a true conservative, he wanted energy independecne, support the second amendment, pro life, pro moral, pro bible....Hes still paying off his mortgage as we speak hance why he still does paid speeches....
He is far from elite...
And please stop with this ron paul rubbish of neo con, that is a anti semitic word, as its code for jew, hes a jew hater and hace why white supremiscists like him and muslims....
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More proof of Huckster being a Phoney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pRDxY42BpU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm1ARFKWdow
Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR): Governor Huckabee enjoyed a meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=2857
Already a Washington slug and hasn't even step foot in Washington.
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And he gets caught with his lies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYrGlfkvRV0
And the infamous Dumond the Rapist animal he gave pardon for
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZALxUx6SkWA
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More proof of Huckster being a Phoney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pRDxY42BpU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm1ARFKWdow
Governor Mike Huckabee (R-AR): Governor Huckabee enjoyed a meteoric rise in the polls in December 2007, which prompted a more thorough review of his ethics record. According to The Associated Press: “[Huckabee’s] career has also been colored by 14 ethics complaints and a volley of questions about his integrity, ranging from his management of campaign cash to his use of a nonprofit organization to subsidize his income to his destruction of state computer files on his way out of the governor’s office.” And what was Governor Huckabee’s response to these ethics allegations? Rather than cooperating with investigators, Huckabee sued the state ethics commission twice and attempted to shut the ethics process down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=2857
Already a Washington slug and hasn't even step foot in Washington.
you are to easy mastewrwolf to beat in debates, you were going to vote for ruudy, i can find numerous quotes you saying that, EVEN THOUGH OUR BELOVED CHAIM WROTE THIS....
The fact that Giuliani, McCain and Rice are currently regarded as the three strongest possible candidates should shock genuine Republicans.
Until recently, a pro-abortion candidate would never be seriously considered
for the Vice Presidency on the Republican ticket, let alone the Presidency.
A supposed Republican, John McCain reacted with approval to Hanoi John Kerry's anti-American rhetoric - McCain criticized the Bush campaign and Republicans for scrutinizing Kerry's exaggerated Vietnam war record and his unsavory assocation with pro-Viet Cong American traitors like Jane Fonda
In 1996, California Governor Pete Wilson wanted to run for the Republican Presidential nomination but decided not to even try because he knew that his pro-abortion position would never be acceptable to most Republican primary and caucus voters.
Wilson was the Republican Governor of the nation's largest state, and would have been able to easily raise tens of millions of dollars from California donors, but it still would have been futile because Republican voters in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and other early primary and caucus states would have rejected him overwhelmingly.
Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter, another pro-abortion Republican, briefly sought the Republican Presidential nomination, but also decided to withdraw from the race before a single vote was cast, because he saw that no one
was willing to back a pro-abortion Republican candidate.
Rudy Giuliani supports the barbaric practice known as partial birth abortion, in which a living, full-grown unborn baby's brain is sucked out of its skull with a vacuum tube
Yet in 2005, things have deteriorated to the point where all of the three leading Republican candidates are not only pro-abortion, but left-wing on every major issue.
Giuliani is completely pro-abortion, and even supports the barbaric practice known as partial birth abortion.
But that is just the beginning of his extreme left-wing positions: Giuliani is pro-Sodomite, pro-Third World immigration and anti-Second Amendment.
Every year as New York's mayor, Giuliani marched in the Sodomite parade down Fifth Avenue with all of the transvestites, the sadomasochistic freaks wearing Nazi helmets, and the child molesters of the National Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA).
Rudy Giuliani dresses in drag as JFK/RFK mistress Marilyn Monroe
Giuliani himself dressed in "drag" - he wore a dress, a wig, makeup and lipstick - on more than one occasion.
Giuliani's sexual escapades are as bad as those of Bill Clinton.
Giuliani married his first cousin and then pulled all types of strings to get the marriage annulled by the Catholic Church. (Catholics are not allowed to divorce, and so "annulment" of a marriage is sometimes used to end an unwanted union.)
Rudy Giuliani's sexual escapades are as bad as those of Bill Clinton
Giuliani then married his second wife, Donna Hanover, who starred in the evil pornographic and child-molesting play, The Vagina Monologues. In the play, a grown woman has a lesbian, child-molesting relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
An uncaring mother and a cheating husband made for tabloid fodder during the messy Giuliani-Hanover divorce - Television personality Donna Hanover starred in The Vagina Monologues, a play about lesbian pedophilia, and played Jimmy Carter's sister, Ruth Carter Stapleton, in The People vs. Larry Flynt, a loving cinematic tribute to the infamous porn king, depicted in the film as a “free speech” crusader
Giuliani then openly cheated on his second wife, parading around the city with his adulterous mate, Judith Nathan. Giuliani even wanted to bring his adulterous mate into the Mayor's official residence in Gracie Mansion to openly live with him. He did not care that his young son Andrew was living there and would have seen his father together with his adulterous partner every day.
A supposed Catholic, the openly unfaithful Rudy Giuliani sought a divorce from his second wife Donna Hanover - He is shown with Hanover meeting Pope John Paul II
Finally, Giuliani sought to divorce his second wife. This time, he did not seek an "annulment," he openly sought a divorce.
When the Giulianis separated, he moved into the apartment of an AIDS-infected homosexual "couple" whom he had befriended.
PLease answer masterwolf these questions.....
1) Allarge proportion of my family are catholic and they are VERY PRO LIFE, its almost one of the most important issues tothem, and rightly so as its murder, yet said you were going to back ruudy, who is pro murder.
2) How can you attack huckabee false allegations when ruudy has more sleeze than ghoistbusters, YET YOU WERE PREPARED TO VOTE FOR HIM....
you will not dare answer these questions which shows you are just hating on huck because i like him and you hate me...
Whgich is pathetic tbh
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GET IT THROUGH YOUR HARD SKULL I AM VOTING FOR MITT NEXT TUESDAY. You havent defeated me you yet to show any valid proof to show why anyone should vote for Huckabee you can't cause at this point there isn't any. Rudy is out anyways what is Huckabee hanging around for??
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Dear C4J, How is "Neo"- meaning New "Conservative" anti-Semitic? Sorry brother...
I thought Huckabee advisor was CFR? What is Huckabee's views on the Illegal Aliens?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58425
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GET IT THROUGH YOUR HARD SKULL I AM VOTING FOR MITT NEXT TUESDAY. You havent defeated me you yet to show any valid proof to show why anyone should vote for Huckabee you can't cause at this point there isn't any. Rudy is out anyways what is Huckabee hanging around for??
i see you didnt answer my questions yet again....
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And I still would settle for A Romney over a Huckabee anyone this soft on crime does raise a red flag. So if he hears a convicted rapist or killer claim they are an over night christian then he will give them pardons? You need a bit more solid evidence then that and Marzutra may have a point there Huckster is an elitest in disguise. Am I thrilled with Romney no of course not but he does stop McCain. Huckabee WILL NOT be able to defeat McCain. Not in the North East not int he West Coast thats for sure And Cali is a dominating state in any election.
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If I was an American I'd be voting for Ron Paul in all honesty.
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Huckabee's softness on Illegal immigration and his history of high tax busting he raised more then Clinton did when he was Gov. So Marzutra you are correct on Huckabee's illegal immigration policies. A vote for Huckabee actually helps McCain. Maybe you can explain this to C4J he doesn't get it.
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Well, MW, I don't support any real candidate as I see them all, pretty much, as frauds. The sad thing as, like most elections in the past 30 years, have been frauds. People don't see that the Establisment is doing everything they can to have the most Liberal "Conservative" be the candidate agaisnt the "winner" between Clinton and Obama, so the swing vote will go to a Liberal... But really, who cares, because, as I stated earlier, all those candidates are either CFR or members of these like minded elitist organizations. This includes Romney.....sadly. If it were between Romney and Huckabee, I'd probably choose Romney but I see very little difference...especially after when either becomes elected president. Bush was supposed to be Conservative...and is more liberal/Socialist than Bill Clinton....
I think if one reviews the specificities surrounding Barry Goldwater's '64 Presidential run, they will soon conclude likewise...
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Well, MW, I don't support any real candidate as I see them all, pretty much, as frauds. The sad thing as, like most elections in the past 30 years, have been frauds. People don't see that the Establisment is doing everything they can to have the most Liberal "Conservative" be the candidate agaisnt the "winner" between Clinton and Obama, so the swing vote will go to a Liberal... But really, who cares, because, as I stated earlier, all those candidates are either CFR or members of these like minded elitist organizations. This includes Romney.....sadly. If it were between Romney and Huckabee, I'd probably choose Romney but I see very little difference...especially after when either becomes elected president. Bush was supposed to be Conservative...and is more liberal/Socialist than Bill Clinton....
I think if one reviews the specificities surrounding Barry Goldwater's '64 Presidential run, they will soon conclude likewise...
Oh heck, even Reagan had his flaws. As far as defeating McCain we better use our brains on this. It is right now a horse race between McPain and Romney. I have a few quirks about Paul I am not thrilled about. The StørmFrønt thing for one and his stance about Islamic wackos.
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And I see Mike Huckabee a combination of both Bush's Father and Carter rolled together, I was a baby at the time when Carter was in office but saw how this country was on the verge of finanical fall out with him. And now with today's dollar is really taking a beating. Do we really need to relive the late 70s all over again, or early 90s?
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I think a good way to understand modern US politics is to read "Shadows of Power" by James Perloff or even "The Insiders" by John F. McManus. ;)
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I think now we must have a crash run with Super Tuesday it will make or break this is it. Our actual last moment to stop McCain. I have no choice to hold my nose on this one and go for Mitt, he reminds me of a policed car salesman though. But he is a successfull business man and our economy and the all mighty dollar is in huge trouble.
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What we have is the following if it is pointed out in the media
On the Demoncrat side we have Socialists and some who are close to becoming communists.
On the Republican side we have Liberals and Conservatives.
If the Republicans were to split to Liberal and Conservative then some Demoncrat Liberals who are anti-socialist would join that Liberal party and the Conservatives would have one of their own.
What the media doesn't do enough of is expose teh Demoncrats as socialists...they are no long liberals.. The real liberals are the Mccains and Guilianis. I prefer a liberal over a socialist any day. But woudl much rather have a conservative.
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I think there is only one on the platform that is not a part of the Establishment, for good or for bad, it is Ron Paul. MassuhD may well be right....
Ron Paul doesn't expect to win the nomination. He's done much better so far than he ever expected to do. He already filed paperwork to run for re-election for his congressional position.
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I think there is only one on the platform that is not a part of the Establishment, for good or for bad, it is Ron Paul. MassuhD may well be right....
Ron Paul doesn't expect to win the nomination. He's done much better so far than he ever expected to do. He already filed paperwork to run for re-election for his congressional position.
only one thing i can admire Ron Paul for is that he sticks to his guns no matter how unpopular. He seems like the honest type.
However, his way in his foreign policy is the wrong way.
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I think factually correct history dictates that one needs a totally unaffiliated individual to run as if one looks at the past history of winners of the Presidency they've won on "rightwing" issues. Even Jimmy Carter preached right wing Christian American propaganda to allow him to win, Bush as well. How did it turn out? Bush, who is supposedly a "right wing" "christian" was the most Leftwing President in American History. He's expanded the government and championed more Socialist causes than Bill Clinton....but does it matter? No not really because they are all members of the same, like minded, international socialist/Elitist organizations... point....
The media continues to portray Bush Jr. as someone who is a "right wing" Christian.
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you see him???Prove it, ive debunked your tax hike mike rubbish, everything against huckabee sare lies, he defeated the clintons in arkansas he can defeat them for real...
What makes masterwolfs judgement not to be taken seriously is the fact that he supported ruudy WHO LOST TO HILARY BEFORE....
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Huckabee and Bill Clinton never ran against each other.
And Rudy never ran against Hillary.
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you see him???Prove it, ive debunked your tax hike mike rubbish, everything against huckabee sare lies, he defeated the clintons in arkansas he can defeat them for real...
What makes masterwolfs judgement not to be taken seriously is the fact that he supported ruudy WHO LOST TO HILARY BEFORE....
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Huckabee and Bill Clinton never ran against each other.
And Rudy never ran against Hillary.
Rational I doubt he knows what he is talking about,, Clinton was already in the White House when Huckabee became he gov he didnt run against Clinton and Rudy didn't run against Hillary either, Rick Lazio did.
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People, just ignore the troll C4J. I think he is the banned "christian_love" anyway. ::)
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I was listening to Savage the other evening and he had a guest speaking about "Conservatism" and the Republican Party in America. This fellow, Mike Tanner, placed forward the Leftist aspects of both Huckabee and Romney which ends being there is little Conservatism at all within the top levels of the Republican Party... which is the base logic of voting in someone who is totally un/non-aligned with the Establisment. ;)
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And also let me remind you this,, When a former Republican Gov like Mike Huckabee does the same or worst of a former Democrat Gov like Bill Clinton it is actually worst with Republicans. Cause they are trying to hold this image that only high spending comes from the Dems. But when a Republican does this it is more damaging to the Republican Party. Yes I am a registered Republican and will be the first to critic what members of my own party does. Bush has also out spent more so then when Bill Clinton was president. We never really had a surplus when Clinton left office that was a lie. But the spending we have now has sky rocketed compared to 2000.
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And Prior to Flo. The Rudy ticket was needed to pull votes away from McCain, that helped Romney in S.C. Now that Rudy is going it is all Romney at this point, Hey you can vote for whomever you like but a vote at this point for someone coming in 4th in Florida is really a gimmic vote. McCain is already ahead in the largest delegate state in the Union California.
McCain would have been done if Rudy didn't allow him to come back.
In November, Rudy was in 2nd place in the polls in NH behind Romney. McCain barely had about 12% of the vote. Then Rudy basically decided to cede NH to Romney and stopped campaigning there. Then in December, voters in NH probably got annoyed that Rudy stopped campaigning in the state so a lot of Rudy's support shifted to McCain.
So in NH, Rudy dropped from about 22-14% while McCain went from about 12-14% to at least 22%. And once, McCain was solidly in 2nd in the polls in NH, the media gave him attention and then all the people who supported him in NH in 2000 flocked back to him and he won the NH primary.
In NH, Michigan and Florida, most of McCain's surge in the level of his support came from Rudy's loss of support.
Rudy was also competitive in Michigan through November. If he didn't get obsessed with Florida and instead split his time between NH, Michigan and Florida, he would have finished at least 2nd in NH; McCain would have been 3rd at best and maybe 3rd at beast in Michigan. McCain would then have basically been done and Huckabee would have in SC. Then, it would have been between Huckabee, Giuliani and Romney.
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This Monday-morning quarterbacking does us little good now. We just... have to accept this and move on as best we can (and yes, that means voting for Romney, no questions asked).
I am really not sure that it is Rudy's fault that McCain had his meteoric rise--I think the media is nearly 100% responsible for it.
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You are right about Ron Paul's comments on 911. But was/is he more informed than we are? Afterall, he's been a Senitor for how long? Paul is mislead on Islam, but his ideas on American Foreign Policy may well be spot on. In all honesty, I hope Paul wins as I'd much rather a real change than the continual decline into Socialism and corruption...
Foreign Policy actually helped Bin-Laden and his family. What happened in Afghanistan in the 1970 and early 80's led to the Taliban eventually taking power there. About the Gulf War during Bush Sr's term when the US had some troops in Saudia Arabia, it most likely helped Bin Laden's family because it ensured that Saudia Arabia kept control of its oil supply and his family is supposed to be involved in the oil industry.
If Ron Paul wants more credibility with foreign policy, then he shouldn't distort things.
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This Monday-morning quarterbacking does us little good now. We just... have to accept this and move on as best we can (and yes, that means voting for Romney, no questions asked).
I am really not sure that it is Rudy's fault that McCain had his meteoric rise--I think the media is nearly 100% responsible for it.
Rudy got some negative publicity by the media when there were some news stories in November possibly facing a trial in January--I'm not sure what's happening with that-- and then there were allegations that Rudy got security for his "mistress" who is now his wife.
Of course, those allegations hurt Rudy in Iowa but he knew he had no chance there. NH doesn't care too much about that stuff. For example, they were turned off how Huckabee campaigned in Iowa based mostly on his religion.
I think it was Rudy's own fault that he dropped in NH because he stopped campaigning there. He apparently thought it would be better to drop in NH rather than get at least 2nd there and get media coverage.
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And also let me remind you this,, When a former Republican Gov like Mike Huckabee does the same or worst of a former Democrat Gov like Bill Clinton it is actually worst with Republicans. Cause they are trying to hold this image that only high spending comes from the Dems. But when a Republican does this it is more damaging to the Republican Party. Yes I am a registered Republican and will be the first to critic what members of my own party does. Bush has also out spent more so then when Bill Clinton was president. We never really had a surplus when Clinton left office that was a lie. But the spending we have now has sky rocketed compared to 2000.
Some of Arkansas's spending while Huckabee was governor, was on infrastructure. That's important.
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only one thing i can admire Ron Paul for is that he sticks to his guns no matter how unpopular. He seems like the honest type.
However, his way in his foreign policy is the wrong way.
Isn't Ron Paul an Isolationist? Does he not want to end "Foriegn Aid"?
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Now I'm no Ron Paul fan but I'm no fan of any of the candidates. I guess I'm choosing the best of the worst and the information that indicates Ron Paul being anti-Establisment and non-aligned is the deciding factor for Ol-MarZutra... ;)
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Why don't Huckabee quit and then Romney do something unheard of and ask Huckabee to be his Vice President before Super Tuesday, that would make Romney unstoppable.
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Why don't Huckabee quit and then Romney do something unheard of and ask Huckabee to be his Vice President before Super Tuesday, that would make Romney unstoppable.
I think Huckabee is making eyes at McCain for that deal. I don't know if he would be receptive to being asked by Romney.
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Why don't Huckabee quit and then Romney do something unheard of and ask Huckabee to be his Vice President before Super Tuesday, that would make Romney unstoppable.
I think Huckabee is making eyes at McCain for that deal. I don't know if he would be receptive to being asked by Romney.
So then what you are saying is that Huckabee is really a liberal like McCain, I figured that because he was never a real conservative. His actions on a lot of things look liberal to me.
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In my mind anyway, the only real candidate that should have been on the platform was Tom Tancredo. The rest are stooges of the Establishment and one un-aligned wackjob....but I'd take the wackjob over the continual Establishment lackys any day... :)
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There are many areas of Huckabee that I question. The good ol boy country bumpkin doesn't work anymore in politics. Bill Clinton was one of those and we got a big screw up from that.
If he is that weak on crime, I would hate to see how he is on captured terrrorists.
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And Huckabee is now like a 3rd party candidate. And 3rd party candidates in a major election does more harm then good. Cause stupid people that insist on wasting their votes do not really see the out come of their actions they help the one they "want to defeat"
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Remember MW, so was Jimmy Carter. As a matter of fact Jimmy Carter was the first candidate to placate the race card issue to gain votes. Hitlery Cliterous with her talking "black" while in the South, talking like a she has a yiddish accent while in front of Jews, talking like a farmer when out West is highly comparable to Jimmy Carter's...