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Title: Gimmel - from discussion with judea
Post by: q_q_ on February 13, 2008, 08:24:35 AM

Summary of discussion..

yemenites (With the exception of the Sanaani Temanim)
 Gimmel-dot           J
 Gimmel-dotless      Gh (french R)
They have a G, because they mispronounce Quf as Guf.

ivrit and ashkenazim and most Sefaradim
 Gimmel-dot             G
 Gimmel-dotless        G

Saadya Gaon (and semani [temanim] yemenites?)
  Gimmel-dot       G
  Gimmel-dotless  Gh

h is a convention, it means without the dot. dot/dagesh hardens the consonant.
Bh, Gh, Dh, Kh, Pf, Th
 
Is your dotless Gimmel, a Rimmel or a Grrr immel i.e. does it still start with a G? ?

Are there any differences between Saadya Gaon`s pronounciation and the Semani Yemenites?

Title: Re: Gimmel - from discussion with judea
Post by: judeanoncapta on February 13, 2008, 10:02:01 AM

No, the dotless Ghimmel does not still start with a G.

And the Sanaani Yemenite and the Shita of Rav Saady Gaon are identical because they are both correct.