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Save Western Civilization => Save America => Topic started by: jdl4ever on February 15, 2008, 01:02:11 AM
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All great empires have come to an end. Do you think this presidential race of all morons is a sign of the slow decline of this country into a third world republic? Also do you see the fact that most Americans are evil atheist leftists only interested in seeking pleasure angering G-d as a sign that decline is evident? Thoughts on this? I personally doubt America will still be America in 100 years without a major revolution or major war.
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I do, unfortunately.
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Yes unless dearborn michigan and places like it are totally cleaned out, kiss this country goodbye. We will soon have Sharia.
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Question isn't if, but when.
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Question isn't if, but when.
We should start a pool.
Pick a date, chip in $100.00. The winner gets the pot.
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Well... I think statistics show that a majority of people in America still believes in G-d. This country hasn't become nearly as atheist as Europe yet. That said, America is in trouble. The muzzies are rising. In the link I posted, Brigitte Gabriel gives some good examples that show we are already being infiltrated by Hamas, Hezbollah and several other organizations right here in America.
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Depends what frame of time you're talking about. Next 50 years, I highly doubt it. America's military is so ridiculously stronger than all of the militaries in the world, it would have to take a huge catastrophe to destroy the U.S. I can't picture the U.S. falling anytime soon. Eventually, all "empires", and that's what the U.S. is, an economic, political, and military empire, fall, and the U.S. won't be an exception. But this talk of American falling soon is unwarranted, as bad as things seem to appear.
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America has done many evils, they have not recognised Jerusalem and dare to call themselves friends of Israel. They are a superpower and could do a lot for a safe Israel, but refuse to do so. It's a great sin that could destroy them.
But remember that they have the merit of being the only country on earth where the Noachide Laws are enforced by a Parliament bill. In fact, even having religious freedom, we could consider that Noachidism is their official religion, at least theoretically.
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Depends what frame of time you're talking about. Next 50 years, I highly doubt it. America's military is so ridiculously stronger than all of the militaries in the world, it would have to take a huge catastrophe to destroy the U.S. I can't picture the U.S. falling anytime soon. Eventually, all "empires", and that's what the U.S. is, an economic, political, and military empire, fall, and the U.S. won't be an exception. But this talk of American falling soon is unwarranted, as bad as things seem to appear.
Military might alone doesn't win a war.
It is the will to use the military might, that makes it win.
USA has lost all wars after WWII.
Furthermore, we are being colonised and conquered from within.
The military might of the USA might very well be used against the patriottic USA-citizens.
Your argument is thus not valid.
Israel needs to become independant of the USA, and annex more territory, and expell all the non-Jews there, without any exceptions.
Then, Europe and USA/Canada/Russia/Australia/New Zealand needs to expell non-integrating or hostile immigrants.
South-Africa needs to be reconquered, to create an whites-only apartheid Boer-Republic.
Serbia must destroy the Albanians in Kosovo, and annex some part of Al-banania.
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America has done many evils, they have not recognised Jerusalem and dare to call themselves friends of Israel. They are a superpower and could do a lot for a safe Israel, but refuse to do so. It's a great sin that could destroy them.
But remember that they have the merit of being the only country on earth where the Noachide Laws are enforced by a Parliament bill. In fact, even having religious freedom, we could consider that Noachidism is their official religion, at least theoretically.
ummm.... Why don't you list all the great countries that are friendlier to Israel than America. Like maybe the friendly non-interventionist European countries who say.. Let Iran have nukes... they probably wont use them.
Brian
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All great empires have come to an end. Do you think this presidential race of all morons is a sign of the slow decline of this country into a third world republic? Also do you see the fact that most Americans are evil atheist leftists only interested in seeking pleasure angering G-d as a sign that decline is evident? Thoughts on this? I personally doubt America will still be America in 100 years without a major revolution or major war.
I think very few people in America or Europe are openly atheists. They may be secular and not religious observant, but that does not necessarily mean to reject G-d. It's not good to be secular anyway. But strong religiousness of the past was no better. Spaniards came here in the name of G-d but didn't keep any of His Laws...they raped, stole, enslaved......The military regime here in Argentina was strongly "religious", they forbade evolution theory.... but they killed 20 thousand persons!!!!
Non- religious have a lot of mistaken ideology, and some absurd thoughts, but they may be sensitive to their neighbours' suffering and believe in Hashem in their own way.
In fact nearly all religious people also believe in their own way, and their ways are often farther from Hashem than the seculars'. ( I am referring to Goyim)
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<<I think very few people in America or Europe are openly atheists.>>
In some parts of Europe, it is actually embarrising to say you believe in god.
In other parts, saying you don't believe in god, is rather dangerous.
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<<I think very few people in America or Europe are openly atheists.>>
In some parts of Europe, it is actually embarrising to say you believe in G-d.
In other parts, saying you don't believe in G-d, is rather dangerous.
Religious fundamentalism versus Secular fundamentalism. Communism versus Capitalism. Racial supremacy (classical racism) versus Racial equality (another form of racism, since it aims to destroy racial and ethnical identities), Right versus left. In conclusion two sides of the same coin
If we, Gentiles, want to get out of this situation, we must let the Jews alone once and for all. That's why I put so much enphasis on a Jewish Jerusalem.
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<<I think very few people in America or Europe are openly atheists.>>
In some parts of Europe, it is actually embarrising to say you believe in G-d.
In other parts, saying you don't believe in G-d, is rather dangerous.
Religious fundamentalism versus Secular fundamentalism. Communism versus Capitalism. Racial supremacy (classical racism) versus Racial equality (another form of racism, since it aims to destroy racial and ethnical identities), Right versus left. In conclusion two sides of the same coin
If we, Gentiles, want to get out of this situation, we must let the Jews alone once and for all. That's why I put so much enphasis on a Jewish Jerusalem.
very interesting post Raul
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If America will fall - what is the meaning of it?
I've been asking myself: what is the meaning of our having such a terrible choice of candidates in 2008 elections? What is G-d trying to say to us? What is his message? Perhaps, he wants to teach us the hard way. Why are we, humans, such creatures that we always must be taught the hard way?
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I am confused wasnt this my topic :P
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not for awhile.
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Many friends and colleagues have asked me this same question over the last couple of months, whether or not I believe America will fall.
Although I try hard to remain optimistic, I am afraid that this nation is currently at extreme risk of "falling"... It saddens and depresses me to no end to believe it's actually possible for America to fall, it weighs heavy on my mind, soul and spirit.
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The US is still in a better position to save itself than other nations. If the USA shut off access to it's markets to China, China would collapse.
The American public is heavily armed and the vast majority of it's defense forces and police support full constitutional rights for the citizens.
It's just a question of how long it will take for people to wake up.
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The Pentagon's high-tech weaponry "world's most powerful" (which has not won any wars since the end of WWII) is not an indication that we have many more good years ahead of us.
The opposite is true.
It is symptomatic of an Empire on its last legs.
America will come to a crashing halt, literally overnight, exactly as did the USSR.
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Question isn't if, but when.
VERY true brother! :-\ :'(
And it is in the VERY near future!
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With Obama it will we will be like France just as Romney said
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In the annuals of World History...USA has lasted longer than any Repubic in the world....We are on borrowed time...The Roman empire lasted for only 500 years but they had very similiar problems we are facing today...
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It will, but in a long time in the future.
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The Pentagon's high-tech weaponry "world's most powerful" (which has not won any wars since the end of WWII) is not an indication that we have many more good years ahead of us.
The opposite is true.
It is symptomatic of an Empire on its last legs.
America will come to a crashing halt, literally overnight, exactly as did the USSR.
Totally wrong, as the 50 states aren't going anywhere. America isn't an empire with territories in distant lands with disgruntled populations that need maintaining, ask someone from Arizona or someone from Florida, or a person in Wisconsin what their nationality is, and they will identify themselves as AMERICAN. Because of this simple thing America will never fall.
I'm not saying we're not going to see rough times, the economy may very well crash, but the country won't. We've been through it before and came through it, we survived the Great Depression, we survived Jimmy Carter, America will survive this.
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When Moshiach comes, America will fall. Maybe even before then...
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<<I think very few people in America or Europe are openly atheists.>>
In some parts of Europe, it is actually embarrising to say you believe in G-d.
In other parts, saying you don't believe in G-d, is rather dangerous.
Religious fundamentalism versus Secular fundamentalism. Communism versus Capitalism. Racial supremacy (classical racism) versus Racial equality (another form of racism, since it aims to destroy racial and ethnical identities), Right versus left. In conclusion two sides of the same coin
If we, Gentiles, want to get out of this situation, we must let the Jews alone once and for all. That's why I put so much enphasis on a Jewish Jerusalem.
perfectly said.
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If America will fall - what is the meaning of it?
I've been asking myself: what is the meaning of our having such a terrible choice of candidates in 2008 elections? What is G-d trying to say to us? What is his message? Perhaps, he wants to teach us the hard way. Why are we, humans, such creatures that we always must be taught the hard way?
we will appreciate things better sometimes when we work hard for certain things.
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Ashish, sorry for stealing the topic. That was a long time ago so I forgot about it. The only good thing is that if America falls the rest of the world will fall as well since Europe, Japan and China depend on the American economy. The only question is who will become the major superpower after the world recovers? It might very well be China or Europe for all we know. And America may be overrun by Muzzies and Blacks by that time.
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America will transform and degrade in quality. After being torn apart, it will exist in an injured and weakened form.
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Question isn't if, but when.
We should start a pool.
Pick a date, chip in $100.00. The winner gets the pot.
Im in. I pick the year 2015. But either way the winners prize will be worth as much as toilet paper.
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The question should be... What will happend and how will Americans react after we are nuked? That is the 1 million dollar question.
If people turn to nationalism.. I think we can be saved... if they turn to Obamaism... its over.
Brian
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My biggest fear...besides going to prison, and this nation may become a prison.
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briann: "...how will Americans react after we are nuked?..."
briann,
If, (G-d forbid), a nuclear detonation (not a dirty bomb) should occur in any one of our metropolitan areas (NY, Chicago, Atlanta, Miami, LA, Boston, etc.), the country will come to a complete halt; all phases of life which we take for granted each day will no longer exist; the time perod until "normal civilized life" is restored could be weeks, a year or more, or never.
The emergency medical facilities required to treat hundreds of thousands of burn victims, trauma victims, and radioactivity poisoning will be rendered null and void.
Transportation of all types will quickly grind to a halt, ending food and fuel supplies.
Depending on the size and locations of such an attack, life may immediately be reduced to a 19th Century standard of living, complete with epidemics, and lacking most modern amenities.
There are those who believe that such an event will "galvanize" Americans into one united country and people bent on revenge against the perpetrators, but I myself am not one of them.
I believe that Americans are today too spoiled, too undeducated, too materialistic and selfish, not to mention too stoned on drugs or alcohol, to recover in any way from such a nightmare scenario.
Martial law declaration, hysteria, chaos leading to death, disease, & famine would result, with looting, rioting, violence.
I do expect that wild and unsubstantiated accusations of guilt will split the social fabric even further, by claiming that "the Jews did it / the Zionists did it / Bush did it / the Liberals did it / the Neo-Cons did it.....you get the picture, I'm sure.
Sorry to be the naysayer, but I have learned that in most cases, "what you see is what you get".
So just take a good look around at the current state of domestic life, and multiply the problems by a hundred million or more--that is what to expect.
Each and every time I've heard Americans state that "Maybe that's what this country needs to finally make us come together, etc...", the voices which are speaking are those totally ignorant of the immediate and long-term effects of a nuclear detonation.
A most uncomfortable thought recurs...Two "mickey mouse" sized nuclear bombs made the most frenzied warrior empire, complete with suicide dive bombers, stop dead in their tracks, throw their hands up, and beg to be allowed to make unconditional surrender.
Our enemies worldwide are working day and night to set off nukes inside our country, but America, playing "the good guy" waits and waits in the false belief that we can "win the hearts and minds" of the Muslim world.
In short, the fact that we have not yet nuked them off the map, guarantees that we ourselves will be attacked by them; just as soon as they are ready.
Our failure to have not already ended this "War on Terror" with all available means, is a portense of great tragedy ahead for America.
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A dirty bomb can potentially kill at least a million people and render a city uninhabitable.
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As long as a meet a good looking girl, and buy a subaru WRX in the near future, everything in the world will be just fine. :D
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When Moshiach comes, America will fall. Maybe even before then...
America won't fall. It will be returned to The Righteous Gentiles.
Well, we'll see...
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In the event of a major catastrophe that causes the collapse of the economy, transport and medical services etc; rural Americans of the west/ north west where the population is 90%+ white will fare much better than others.
The south and south west with it's mexican hoards and blacks will have big problems but at least the whites are sufficiently well-armed to stand a chance if they stick together.
The east and north east will be by far the worst-off. This area is full of third worlders and the decent people are mostly disarmed. NYC is rat trap for decent [people. Without a boat there's no way off that island except by one tunnel and a bridge (I think.....please correct me). The chances of getting out of a city teaming with millions of looting, raping, murdering cannibals when you are disarmed and millions of people are bottle-necked at the few exit points is less than 1%.
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split the social fabric even further, by claiming that "the Jews did it / the Zionists did it / Bush did it / the Liberals did it / the Neo-Cons did it.....you get the picture
I predict this WONT happend. You could say this would happend after 9/11. Although there were SOME people who just wanted to blame our previous foreign policy (There always will), for the most part... people, especially in NY, had a sence of urgency and fear.
After a nuke. people will be so fearful and scared, they WILL push towards an extreme. I'm not sure if it will be towards the extreme left or right, but it wont be the center. If there is an extremist movement that has carefully positioned itself to react to this sorta thing, there will be a legitimate possibility that they can garner a majority.
Brian
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split the social fabric even further, by claiming that "the Jews did it / the Zionists did it / Bush did it / the Liberals did it / the Neo-Cons did it.....you get the picture
I predict this WONT happend. You could say this would happend after 9/11. Although there were SOME people who just wanted to blame our previous foreign policy (There always will), for the most part... people, especially in NY, had a sence of urgency and fear.
After a nuke. people will be so fearful and scared, they WILL push towards an extreme. I'm not sure if it will be towards the extreme left or right, but it wont be the center. If there is an extremist movement that has carefully positioned itself to react to this sorta thing, there will be a legitimate possibility that they can garner a majority.
Brian
The left apologists will more lkely be blamed than the right hawks.
The right are better positioned to exploit this situation than the left. The problem is that America's right is also NWO puppets so we may not get what we think we will.
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Study other countries that have fallen, they have a similar path that America is taking.
Observe countries like Rhodesia, South Africa, Israel, and other colonies.
When whites become the minority in these countries and the 3rd world invades, these countries change to try and set socialism and to appeal to the minorities, corruptness from within and we are told to tolerate this garbage.
Europe is also a good example of what's happening, Kosovo just declared independence and another Muslim state was created.
At this point, do we really think America will last long? We're losing our rights, gun laws are getting more strict, and we're being destroyed internally.
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YES
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split the social fabric even further, by claiming that "the Jews did it / the Zionists did it / Bush did it / the Liberals did it / the Neo-Cons did it.....you get the picture
I predict this WONT happend. You could say this would happend after 9/11. Although there were SOME people who just wanted to blame our previous foreign policy (There always will), for the most part... people, especially in NY, had a sence of urgency and fear.
After a nuke. people will be so fearful and scared, they WILL push towards an extreme. I'm not sure if it will be towards the extreme left or right, but it wont be the center. If there is an extremist movement that has carefully positioned itself to react to this sorta thing, there will be a legitimate possibility that they can garner a majority.
Brian
The left apologists will more lkely be blamed than the right hawks.
The right are better positioned to exploit this situation than the left. The problem is that America's right is also NWO puppets so we may not get what we think we will.
Well, the extreme right isn't. I say there is salvation in the extreme right. Not stupid Libertarian-Cons like Ron Paul, but intelligent progressive ultra-rightwingers like Geert Weelder.
Brian
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Yes. Another Cold War will take place between America and China.......then russia will join links with China and become the next superpower.
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Yes. Another Cold War will take place between America and China.......then russia will join links with China and become the next superpower.
I think Russia will fight China ... and that the USA will defend China.
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Yes. Another Cold War will take place between America and China.......then russia will join links with China and become the next superpower.
I think Russia will fight China ... and that the USA will defend China.
Interesting part of the world.
Russia, China, Japan. All powerful (either economically, industrially or millitarilly) and they ALL hate each other and have old scores to settle.
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America's slide to destruction is being interrupted by the millions of righteous people living here.
How can we be optimistic about the future of America with black rowdy gangs taking over major cities and black breeding like rabbits?
Blacks are going to invade all walks of American life more and more and that will bring down this greatest nation ever existed in human history.
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its only a matter of time until the US is faced with a nuclear armegeddon....
there strive to be the world police should get them nuked for there troubles.
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Sergio 11: "... strive to be the world police should get them nuked for there troubles..."
Considering that the U.S.A. is bankrupt and exists from day to day borrowing money from it's own enemies, and considering that within the U.S.A. there are relatively few streets and neighborhoods free from a staggeringly huge wave of violent crime, and considering that political corruption and sexual depravity are at epidemic levels within both major political parties, the very idea of America "policing the world" reveals an Empire in its "death throes"; criminally insane, broke, and living in a mass psychosis of denial, irrationality, and irresponsibility.
America today truly resembles ancient Rome in the years of decay and decline.
If, as suggested by some historians, Rome fell due to the insanity produced by lead absorption resulting from eating utensils leaching lead into their food and water supply, historians in the future may well attribute America's current state of decline to be the result of mass brain damage resulting from a daily diet of pharmacological drugs, chemically polluted air, food, and water, and an out of control mass media serving to "shape" the common popular culture.
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"Happy days are here again!" :D
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Unfortunately, America's fall is inevitable.
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Not if if we follow the JTF "Get Fit" plan!! O0
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Not if if we follow the JTF "Get Fit" plan!! O0
True!
ALL nations fall, ALL. The bigger the nations they are, the harder they fall...
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Yes. Another Cold War will take place between America and China.......then russia will join links with China and become the next superpower.
I think Russia will fight China ... and that the USA will defend China.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3408155.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3408155.ece)
America's decision to destroy a defunct spy satellite orbiting Earth by firing a missile into outer space provoked a diplomatic row today, with both China and Russia accusing the US of having carried out a covert weapons test.
Already a sign. ^-^ I truly think that Russia and China will join together.....not as communist states but just to undermine America. Then after they become the next superpower, they'll go against each other and Russia will win.
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America will crumble from within, not any outside pressure. Look at what is happening in this upcoming. The American people are nearly overwhelmingly supporting a black moron with cult-like vigor. Is he qualified to lead? No, but he's a black man who doesn't speak like Jesse Jackson so he must be a god. The media is reporting Obama is getting cheers when he blows his nose. His entire campaign is a cult and this is a big sign of the downfall of America.
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America will fall if we continue to support the WRONG sides of isssues such as Fakestinians and F'n KOSOVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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no
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Here is another idea:
1. Unify all anti-muslim countries under one cause: to stop muslim tyranny once and for all.
2. kick every muslim country out of any international organization, including the UN.
3. Give an ultimatium to these sand monkeys (in a way, that is an insult to moneky) that for every terrorist attack, we will randomly nuke a muslim city untill they themselves decide that forcing others to join their satan-worshipping religion will no longer be tolerated. At least, we would give them a chance to become civilized.
4. muslim will refuse of course and continue their terrorist attacks.
5. finish them all once and for all.
6. Problem solved!
If america wants to save itself, it has to distance itself from supporting muslims because muslims are a bigger threat to american way of life than anyone or anything else. It is time that people and not the sell-outs take our country back.
I want to hear from all of you about my idea.
the only good muslim is a dead muslim!
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Here is another idea:
1. Unify all anti-muslim countries under one cause: to stop muslim tyranny once and for all.
2. kick every muslim country out of any international organization, including the UN.
3. Give an ultimatium to these sand monkeys (in a way, that is an insult to moneky) that for every terrorist attack, we will randomly nuke a muslim city untill they themselves decide that forcing others to join their satan-worshipping religion will no longer be tolerated. At least, we would give them a chance to become civilized.
4. muslim will refuse of course and continue their terrorist attacks.
5. finish them all once and for all.
6. Problem solved!
If america wants to save itself, it has to distance itself from supporting muslims because muslims are a bigger threat to american way of life than anyone or anything else. It is time that people and not the sell-outs take our country back.
I want to hear from all of you about my idea.
the only good muslim is a dead muslim!
Good points.
I think we should try to create intra-Arabian wars.