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Two-thirds of Aussies back stolen generations apology
February 18, 2008 07:20am
Article from: AAP
* People in favour of apology jumps to 68 per cent
* NT man to launch class compo action
* Cash for classes plan for indigenous kids
MORE than two-thirds of Australians now support the Federal Government's decision to apologise to indigenous people for past wrongs, a new poll shows.
The Galaxy survey, conducted for online activist group GetUp!, found the proportion of people in favour of saying sorry had jumped 13 points to 68 per cent, up from 55 per cent over the weekend of February 1-3.
The poll of 1100 respondents aged over 16 was taken at the weekend, after Prime Minister Kevin Rudd delivered the formal apology to the stolen generations in parliament last Wednesday.
It found the number of people who disagreed with the apology had fallen to just 22 per cent, down from 36 per cent earlier in the month.
"This is an unprecedented turnaround of opinion in such a short time," GetUp! executive director Brett Solomon said.
"It shows that bold leadership on indigenous affairs will be rewarded, and that 'sorry' was indeed a healing moment for all Australians - the process of reconciliation has been breathed new life with this important first step".
The poll proved that saying "sorry" was a concrete step towards reconciliation, Mr Solomon said.
Among those who supported the apology, the percentage who strongly agreed had increased from 31 to 41 per cent in the latest poll, the survey found.
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What's wrong with that apology??????????????????????????
I have bever harmed any Jew, but I feel guilty when I see a Yellow star of David (That Jews were forced to wear by Nazis). I am a Gentile, and Gentiles did it!
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The problem is Raul that its like saying to a mass murder, we are sorry we locked you up and caught you. We should of allowed you to kill more people.
And that basically is what the Australian government did. They saved those children from an early death, life range for abbos then was just 0-45 years old, because the killed each other off, and child death rate was nearly 80%.
This is why the government stepped in to try and correct this from happening. Problem was they did a to good of job and the children survived with a clean bill of health ::)
They government saved the abbo race and now they have to say sorry to them, for keeping them alive.
There was no crime committed, yet the abbos want money now, because they were not left to rot in their own dirt.
The problem with White Culture is we are too caring, too human, and too naive.
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I don't know what the situation was in Australia. Here, in Argentina, there were indded crimes against natives. Even now, they are stolen and evicted from their lands. Even if they helped natives, are you sure no abuse was done????
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Yes I am sure no abuse was done.
I am waiting for them to say sorry to us, for killing whites in the outback and calling it tribal law.
Even today they do it, thousands of people each year go missing and are killed in the outback.
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Spot on Skippy. Lefties are always complaining about the living conditions of aboriginals. How is it our fault that they [censored] up their own houses and pull the floorboards out for firewood? Why should we keep providing more housing for them when they will destroy it? I know what I am talking about too. I have lived in the outback and seen what they are like.
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Spot on Skippy. Lefties are always complaining about the living conditions of aboriginals. How is it our fault that they excrement up their own houses and pull the floorboards out for firewood? Why should we keep providing more housing for them when they will destroy it? I know what I am talking about too. I have lived in the outback and seen what they are like.
Glad to see you made it over ^-^
Yes It is I Kiwi :::D
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Yes I made it. I will see you around this forum. O0
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Spot on Skippy. Lefties are always complaining about the living conditions of aboriginals. How is it our fault that they excrement up their own houses and pull the floorboards out for firewood? Why should we keep providing more housing for them when they will destroy it? I know what I am talking about too. I have lived in the outback and seen what they are like.
Too true.
They gripe about the sorry state of abbo housing- broken windows, busted fittings, garbage everywhere. What they neglect to say is that THEY (the abbos) did all that. It's not like a bunch of kluckers go around trashing abbo housing! Sheeesh!!
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Yes My feeling are in my vid 8;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_cl_0lQk_0
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We have plenty of real problems in this Earth. Terrorism, ecological disasters, millions of square miles of natural forest destroyed in many countries, genetic engineering which is destroying Nature and changing ADN code in many species for ever, the danger of human cloning, pollution, hunger, wars, nations whose existence is in danger (like Israel), babies assasinated by abortion, and many other threats.
How can bigotry go so far as to worry about a Govt. apologising to Natives (even if you are convinced that it's not neccessary)???????
Better use your time to save the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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We have plenty of real problems in this Earth. Terrorism, ecological disasters, millions of square miles of natural forest destroyed in many countries, genetic engineering which is destroying Nature and changing ADN code in many species for ever, the danger of human cloning, pollution, hunger, wars, nations whose existence is in danger (like Israel), babies assasinated by abortion, and many other threats.
How can bigotry go so far as to worry about a Govt. apologising to Natives (even if you are convinced that it's not neccessary)???????
Better use your time to save the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Raul this is important to Australia, may be not to you.
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How can be a problem that a Govt. says "we are sorry", (even if there had been really no abuse)???????????
BTW, I think that much more than the Australian Govt. the one who really needs to apologise is you, for what you've written in your blog.
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How can be a problem that a Govt. says "we are sorry", (even if there had been really no abuse)???????????
BTW, I think that much more than the Australian Govt. the one who really needs to apologise is you, for what you've written in your blog.
Aww did I up set you now ... :'( :'( :'( :'(
Go play in Let-be-land because you really not going like my next vid then are you ;)
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Our abbos have it ten times better than Raul's indians.
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Our abbos have it ten times better than Raul's indians.
Yes and I bet he is having a boo hoo about them too. Me thinks he needs to clean up his own backyard first ;)
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Of course natives in Argentina have been insidiously assasinated. I never said I defend what Spaniards and Argentinians did!!!!!!!!! I strongly condemn it!!!!!!!
But free hate is free hate, no matter what. Those videos propagate hate in the minds of some people. Hate is like poison, and then people take that poison into leadership when they vote or act in politics. Who wants a divided Mankind???????
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You are very naive about the southern part of this world Raul.
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I want a world where people work together for a better and happier place for everyone, guided by reason, logic and common sense, not by bitterness, hate, selfishness and pride. One person can't do much alone neither for the good nor for the worse. But remember that the world is made up of individuals, as the sea is made of little drops of water!!!!!!!!!
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I want a world where people work together for a better and happier place for everyone, guided by reason, logic and common sense, not by bitterness, hate, selfishness and pride. One person can't do much alone neither for the good nor for the worse. But remember that the world is made up of individuals, as the sea is made of little drops of water!!!!!!!!!
Well and good........in theory.
However, when some are unwilling or too stupid to 'work together' and only want to sit around and drink, they must be managed by their superiors.
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I want a world where people work together for a better and happier place for everyone, guided by reason, logic and common sense, not by bitterness, hate, selfishness and pride. One person can't do much alone neither for the good nor for the worse. But remember that the world is made up of individuals, as the sea is made of little drops of water!!!!!!!!!
Well and good........in theory.
However, when some are unwilling or too stupid to 'work together' and only want to sit around and drink, they must be managed by their superiors.
I find it even worse to work separately to spread hate. I prefer a bunch people spending all the day drinking beer than poisoning peoples' minds with bigotry.
In Argentina we still have people who defend the dictatorship, and others who defend the guerrillas. 30 years later!!!!!! We even have some who defend Rosas, a dictator of the 19th century. This bigotry takes the nation nowhere. They'd rather shut their mouth.
I don't know how is it now, but not long ago, children at school had to swear to die for the flag, at 9!!!!!!!! No education to live, the only patriotism seemed to be hate and war. We even see people who consider themselves nationalistic and have stickers of the Falkland Island in Argentine colours!!!!! They'd better give up that hate, and pay taxes properly, not cheating!!!!!!!!!! That's is what I'd like to change.
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I want a world where people work together for a better and happier place for everyone, guided by reason, logic and common sense, not by bitterness, hate, selfishness and pride. One person can't do much alone neither for the good nor for the worse. But remember that the world is made up of individuals, as the sea is made of little drops of water!!!!!!!!!
You know I can almost hear the violins playing.....
But fact remains theres more evil people in this world than good people, and we must protect our way of life and cultures.
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I want a world where people work together for a better and happier place for everyone, guided by reason, logic and common sense, not by bitterness, hate, selfishness and pride. One person can't do much alone neither for the good nor for the worse. But remember that the world is made up of individuals, as the sea is made of little drops of water!!!!!!!!!
Well and good........in theory.
However, when some are unwilling or too stupid to 'work together' and only want to sit around and drink, they must be managed by their superiors.
I find it even worse to work separately to spread hate. I prefer a bunch people spending all the day drinking beer than poisoning peoples' minds with bigotry.
In Argentina we still have people who defend the dictatorship, and others who defend the guerrillas. 30 years later!!!!!! We even have some who defend Rosas, a dictator of the 19th century. This bigotry takes the nation nowhere. They'd rather shut their mouth.
I don't know how is it now, but nor long ago, children at school had to swear to die for the flag, at 9!!!!!!!! No education to live, the only patriotism seemed to be hate and war. We even see people who consider themselves nationalistic and have stickers of the Falkland Island in Argentine colours!!!!! They'd better give up that hate, and pay taxes properly, not cheating!!!!!!!!!! That's is what I'd like to change.
Australia and Argentina are two different places, two ever different cultures. What are you doing to improve your home land? Oh don't answer that we all ready know ::)
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Doing for my homeland? No, you don't know. In fact nothing more than voting in the elections and paying taxes correctly. I'm not a politician. But everyone must at least avoid spreading bigotry, if he can't actually spread peace and union!!!!! And it's valid for all cultures and places. We are all human beings, and hate has the same effect on everyone. It poisons minds and make people act by feelings (bad feelings) instead of reason.
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Doing for my homeland? No, you don't know. In fact nothing more than voting in the elections and paying taxes correctly. I'm not a politician.
SO in another words you do absolutely nothing for your people ::) Theres a surprise :::D
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Doing for my homeland? No, you don't know. In fact nothing more than voting in the elections and paying taxes correctly. I'm not a politician.
SO in another words you do absolutely nothing for your people ::) Theres a surprise :::D
And what do YOU do??????????????
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Doing for my homeland? No, you don't know. In fact nothing more than voting in the elections and paying taxes correctly. I'm not a politician.
SO in another words you do absolutely nothing for your people ::) Theres a surprise :::D
And what do YOU do??????????????
I find the best way to help people is to let them help themselves. ^-^
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Doing for my homeland? No, you don't know. In fact nothing more than voting in the elections and paying taxes correctly. I'm not a politician.
SO in another words you do absolutely nothing for your people ::) Theres a surprise :::D
And what do YOU do??????????????
Funny you should say that, finance recovery packages to Jews how are victims of crime. I am an active member of a few international groups dealing with the protection of Jews basic human right. I also provide emergency housing and care for the families in question. Cost to me $2000 a month.
As for terrorism I am in the body recovery business and DNA matching of victims. I gave evidence also in said cases.
And actively involved in a terrorist case in Melbourne :-\ Which my friends brother is the defending QC.
And I also am in a unit dealing with other issues ;)
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Doing for my homeland? No, you don't know. In fact nothing more than voting in the elections and paying taxes correctly. I'm not a politician.
SO in another words you do absolutely nothing for your people ::) Theres a surprise :::D
And what do YOU do??????????????
Funny you should say that, finance recovery packages to Jews how are victims of crime. I am an active member of a few international groups dealing with the protection of Jews basic human right. I also provide emergency housing and care for the families in question. Cost to me $2000 a month.
As for terrorism I am in the body recovery business and DNA matching of victims. I gave evidence also in said cases.
And actively involved in a terrorist case in Melbourne :-\ Which my friends brother is the defending QC.
And I also am in a unit dealing with other issues ;)
I think Raul wanted to know what you did for losers, bums and dreggs not what you do for the worthy.
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Doing for my homeland? No, you don't know. In fact nothing more than voting in the elections and paying taxes correctly. I'm not a politician.
SO in another words you do absolutely nothing for your people ::) Theres a surprise :::D
And what do YOU do??????????????
Funny you should say that, finance recovery packages to Jews how are victims of crime. I am an active member of a few international groups dealing with the protection of Jews basic human right. I also provide emergency housing and care for the families in question. Cost to me $2000 a month.
As for terrorism I am in the body recovery business and DNA matching of victims. I gave evidence also in said cases.
And actively involved in a terrorist case in Melbourne :-\ Which my friends brother is the defending QC.
And I also am in a unit dealing with other issues ;)
I think Raul wanted to know what you did for losers, bums and dreggs not what you do for the worthy.
Well like you newman thats where our tax money goes, to support them in their lifestyles.
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Here I don't even get u$s 1000 a month. I can only give a liitle tzedaka.
But if you are so occupied you must know a lot of friends, how is it that you often say you feel lonely?
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Here I don't even get u$s 1000 a month. I can only give a liitle tzedaka.
But if you are so occupied you must know a lot of friends, how is it that you often say you feel lonely?
I work 7 days a week, last day off in 14 months was Thursday when I took my mum in for a 12 hour operation. These people I know are activists, and missionaries, they are not my friends but my work contacts.
I don't have time to be running around socializing, I have a lot of work to do, and I also volunteer running a National Organization.
Only social time I have is 2 hours on a Tuesday night when I belly Dance and get drunk. ;)
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Here I don't even get u$s 1000 a month. I can only give a liitle tzedaka.
But if you are so occupied you must know a lot of friends, how is it that you often say you feel lonely?
I work 7 days a week, last day off in 14 months was Thursday when I took my mum in for a 12 hour operation. These people I know are activists, and missionaries, they are not my friends but my work contacts.
I don't have time to be running around socializing, I have a lot of work to do, and I also volunteer running a National Organization.
Only social time I have is 2 hours on a Tuesday night when I belly Dance and get drunk. ;)
I go to a pub down the road from the 'German Club'. I then get stinking drunk and goose step around in front of the place like Basil Fawlty. :D
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Here I don't even get u$s 1000 a month. I can only give a liitle tzedaka.
But if you are so occupied you must know a lot of friends, how is it that you often say you feel lonely?
I work 7 days a week, last day off in 14 months was Thursday when I took my mum in for a 12 hour operation. These people I know are activists, and missionaries, they are not my friends but my work contacts.
I don't have time to be running around socializing, I have a lot of work to do, and I also volunteer running a National Organization.
Only social time I have is 2 hours on a Tuesday night when I belly Dance and get drunk. ;)
I go to a pub down the road from the 'German Club'. I then get stinking drunk and goose step around in front of the place like Basil Fawlty. :D
:::D :::D :::D I should of thought of that ;)(http://www.militaryglobal.com/forum/Smileys/default/th_Ed.gif)
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Work seven days a week? I thought you were Jewish and kept Shabbat.
Work with missionaries???? what does it mean????
Sorry, but now I am beggining to understand why some Charedim oppose the use of internet......one never knows who is really writing on the other side of the world.....
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I don't keep the Sabbath, because guess what evil people don't believe in it :-\ and people don't stop dying because of it.
Yes I dear Raul I work missionaries. Because many of then are able to deliver supplies to areas we can't reach.
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Skippy, I didn't mean to judge you for breaking Shabbath or working with missionaries, the problem is that many of your stories sound strange and I am puzzled. Honestly, I hope not to offend you, but I only know your nickname. And you were joking about being an spy.....
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Raul people live different lives, because I have had a live that has be very full and busy and I continue to go at great pace, might seem strange to you, so be it. But I have a lot of energy and I have always been into a lot of things. That I never plan to change until I am dead.
People who really know me, know that is very normal for me.
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Raul people live different lives, because I have had a live that has be very full and busy and I continue to go at great pace, might seem strange to you, so be it. But I have a lot of energy and I have always been into a lot of things. That I never plan to change until I am dead.
People who really know me, know that is very normal for me.
I was not speaking about your working hard, but about your ideas and stories. Sometimes you seem extremely stringent about Torah, other times you seem not an orthodox Jew. Some of your words sound like Charedim, others make me remember my reform Jew psychologist, it just puzzles me.......What synagogue do you attend. Chassidic, Misnagued, Modern Orthodox, Charedi.....Conservative.....?
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Raul people live different lives, because I have had a live that has be very full and busy and I continue to go at great pace, might seem strange to you, so be it. But I have a lot of energy and I have always been into a lot of things. That I never plan to change until I am dead.
People who really know me, know that is very normal for me.
I was not speaking about your working hard, but about your ideas and stories. Sometimes you seem extremely stringent about Torah, other times you seem not an orthodox Jew. Some of your words sound like Charedim, others make me remember my reform Jew psychologist, it just puzzles me.......What synagogue do you attend. Chassidic, Misnagued, Modern Orthodox, Charedi.....Conservative.....?
Now whats my life got to do with the Abbo's, I have an ask the skip thread, I suggest you use it.
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Raul people live different lives, because I have had a live that has be very full and busy and I continue to go at great pace, might seem strange to you, so be it. But I have a lot of energy and I have always been into a lot of things. That I never plan to change until I am dead.
People who really know me, know that is very normal for me.
I was not speaking about your working hard, but about your ideas and stories. Sometimes you seem extremely stringent about Torah, other times you seem not an orthodox Jew. Some of your words sound like Charedim, others make me remember my reform Jew psychologist, it just puzzles me.......What synagogue do you attend. Chassidic, Misnagued, Modern Orthodox, Charedi.....Conservative.....?
Now whats my life got to do with the Abbo's, I have an ask the skip thread, I suggest you use it.
What's your life has to do with Natives? It has a lot to do, for me. I really support natives since I was a child. You may remember how I got sick of that right-wing "Catholic" education of the Sword and the Cross, and the genocide in America, so much sick that I "self-converted" to paganism. But I don't really care too much about what you say against Natives, you will not harm them. I am not here to protect Natives, I am here to defend Jews. And certainly don't like to hear hate words from a Jew, bringing a bad name on Am Israel. If that Jew is a real observant Jew, it's not good he/she is spreading hate, but if that's true that he/she acts like that, then what can I do? But I wouldn't like to be discussing with a secular who spreads hate in the name of Judaism. I would only be playing his game!!!!!!!!!
Now you may understand why I am puzzled and so interested in verifying the autenthicity of anyone who says the he is an observant Jews and behaves in a strange way...
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Raul people live different lives, because I have had a live that has be very full and busy and I continue to go at great pace, might seem strange to you, so be it. But I have a lot of energy and I have always been into a lot of things. That I never plan to change until I am dead.
People who really know me, know that is very normal for me.
I was not speaking about your working hard, but about your ideas and stories. Sometimes you seem extremely stringent about Torah, other times you seem not an orthodox Jew. Some of your words sound like Charedim, others make me remember my reform Jew psychologist, it just puzzles me.......What synagogue do you attend. Chassidic, Misnagued, Modern Orthodox, Charedi.....Conservative.....?
Now whats my life got to do with the Abbo's, I have an ask the skip thread, I suggest you use it.
What's your life has to do with Natives? It has a lot to do, for me. I really support natives since I was a child. You may remember how I got sick of that right-wing "Catholic" education of the Sword and the Cross, and the genocide in America, so much sick that I "self-converted" to paganism. But I don't really care too much about what you say against Natives, you will not harm them. I am not here to protect Natives, I am here to defend Jews. And certainly don't like to hear hate words from a Jew, bringing a bad name on Am Israel. If that Jew is a real observant Jew, it's not good he/she is spreading hate, but if that's true that he/she acts like that, then what can I do? But I wouldn't like to be discussing with a secular who spreads hate in the name of Judaism. I would only be playing his game!!!!!!!!!
Now you may understand why I am puzzled and so interested in verifying the autenthicity of anyone who says the he is an observant Jews and behaves in a strange way...
Right! Once again I will report you.
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Report to whom? and for what? :laugh: