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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
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salt is inherently kosher, this is no such thing as non-kosher salt
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Kosher salt is a cooking term, like kosher pickles.
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Kosher salt is blessed by Gd...so the Na-Cl has somethign special in the middle of it.
Non Kosher salt is cursed by Gd because the Na and Cl had gay sex together.
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Kosher salt is blessed by Gd...so the Na-Cl has somethign special in the middle of it.
Non Kosher salt is cursed by Gd because the Na and Cl had gay sex together.
haahaa, your soo funny.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
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What about this stuff:
http://www.cargillsalt.com/food/dc_salt_food_koshersalt.htm
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
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There is Kosher Ham but only from Turkey. Ham means that it comes from the Hamstring. Secondly if it was from a Pig then they are self hating Jews who call themselvs reform
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
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I know the difference between normal salt and so called kosher salt :) :) :)
Kosher salt is very coarse grained, so you can put the meat in it in order to extract the rest of the blood without making it too salty.
If you put some meat in normal salt, like you can see it in the salt shaker I can affirm you, that you will not be able to eat it after this procedure.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Please, give the name of this rabbi and where he works...
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
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"Ever heard of kosher pork"
Yes actually, but it does not exist now. Pork was kosher for a period of time, temporarily when the Jews entered Israel, Prophets allowed it for a short period of time ( note- a Prophet can say for a small period of time, not to follow a commandment, but never to get ride of a commandment). Also it says that in the future the pig will be kosher. The question is asked will the Torah change? NO, but it will be the nature of the pig that will change and it will Chew its cud and still have splitt hoves.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Amoung other things- 1stly the animal which it came from, also if any additives were added, also if someone supervised it (Halev Yisrael). Might be more.
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Wow I never knew there was kosher salt.
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Kosher salt is blessed by Gd...so the Na-Cl has somethign special in the middle of it.
Non Kosher salt is cursed by Gd because the Na and Cl had gay sex together.
I don't find this jokes about Torah issues, and naming G-d, funny at all.
Regarding salt, I once saw Kosher Salt in a Jewish Market, and I asked an Orthodox Jew why. He said that since salt is milled, it needs supervison, lest it's milled in a non Kosher container. However another Jew told me that it was a very stringent opinion, and not really neccesary.
Tzwi, where have you learned that pork was allowed by the prophets for a time? I have never heard it!!!
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Kosher salt is blessed by Gd...so the Na-Cl has somethign special in the middle of it.
Non Kosher salt is cursed by Gd because the Na and Cl had gay sex together.
I don't find this jokes about Torah issues, and naming G-d, funny at all.
Regarding salt, I once saw Kosher Salt in a Jewish Market, and I asked an Orthodox Jew why. He said that since salt is milled, it needs supervison, lest it's milled in a non Kosher container. However another Jew told me that it was a very stringent opinion, and not really neccesary.
Tzwi, where have you learned that pork was allowed by the prophets for a time? I have never heard it!!!
eh lighten up...Just make sure that Shabbat hasn't started...derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... :::D
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
It is called Kosher salt, because it is larger and its able to remove blood form meat. One of the laws of Kosher is no drinking of blood in any amount under any circumstances, so Koshe Salt is just salt ground in such a way that makes it good for draining blood out of meat.
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Kosher salt is blessed by Gd...so the Na-Cl has somethign special in the middle of it.
Non Kosher salt is cursed by Gd because the Na and Cl had gay sex together.
I don't find this jokes about Torah issues, and naming G-d, funny at all.
Regarding salt, I once saw Kosher Salt in a Jewish Market, and I asked an Orthodox Jew why. He said that since salt is milled, it needs supervison, lest it's milled in a non Kosher container. However another Jew told me that it was a very stringent opinion, and not really neccesary.
Tzwi, where have you learned that pork was allowed by the prophets for a time? I have never heard it!!!
I have heard it mentioned in a shiur by Rav Mizrahi Shlita.
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Kosher salt is blessed by Gd...so the Na-Cl has somethign special in the middle of it.
Non Kosher salt is cursed by Gd because the Na and Cl had gay sex together.
I don't find this jokes about Torah issues, and naming G-d, funny at all.
Regarding salt, I once saw Kosher Salt in a Jewish Market, and I asked an Orthodox Jew why. He said that since salt is milled, it needs supervison, lest it's milled in a non Kosher container. However another Jew told me that it was a very stringent opinion, and not really neccesary.
Tzwi, where have you learned that pork was allowed by the prophets for a time? I have never heard it!!!
I have heard it mentioned in a shiur by Rav Mizrahi Shlita.
Hehe unless pigs looked chickens back then, I doubt any rabbi would of allowed it.
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Kosher salt is blessed by Gd...so the Na-Cl has somethign special in the middle of it.
Non Kosher salt is cursed by Gd because the Na and Cl had gay sex together.
I don't find this jokes about Torah issues, and naming G-d, funny at all.
Regarding salt, I once saw Kosher Salt in a Jewish Market, and I asked an Orthodox Jew why. He said that since salt is milled, it needs supervison, lest it's milled in a non Kosher container. However another Jew told me that it was a very stringent opinion, and not really neccesary.
Tzwi, where have you learned that pork was allowed by the prophets for a time? I have never heard it!!!
I have heard it mentioned in a shiur by Rav Mizrahi Shlita.
Hehe unless pigs looked chickens back then, I doubt any rabbi would of allowed it.
NOt a Rabbi, but a Prophet. In that short specific time it was allowed, when the Jews conquered the land of Israel and had all this property and animals from the Cannanites. A Prophet- from G-d's orders made a decree that for that period of time (ONLY)they could have eaten specifically pig.
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These are the ones that you shall not eat... and the chazir for it splits its hoof but the cud it chews not (Leviticus 11, 4-7).
Why is its name called chazir? Because the Holy Name Blessed Be He will return it to Israel.
It is cited in Ritva Kiddushin 49b,
The Ohr Hachauym to this verse proposes that in the future time the pig will chew cud and therefore turn into a kosher animal. In Makor Chaim, a supercommentary on Ibn Ezra, R. Shem Tov Ben Falkira is quoted as saying that that the taste of pig meat will become known to the wise ones in the future time, not by eating actual pig, but through their wisdom they will be able to perceive it in other foodstuffs
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
kosher salt, isn't talking about kashrut, but some sort of cooking thing
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These are the ones that you shall not eat... and the chazir for it splits its hoof but the cud it chews not (Leviticus 11, 4-7).
Why is its name called chazir? Because the Holy Name Blessed Be He will return it to Israel.
It is cited in Ritva Kiddushin 49b,
The Ohr Hachauym to this verse proposes that in the future time the pig will chew cud and therefore turn into a kosher animal. In Makor Chaim, a supercommentary on Ibn Ezra, R. Shem Tov Ben Falkira is quoted as saying that that the taste of pig meat will become known to the wise ones in the future time, not by eating actual pig, but through their wisdom they will be able to perceive it in other foodstuffs
When the day were to come that pigs actually do this, I don't think I would desire to eat it...what do the Rabbis say about people who feel that way?
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I am not a Jew, and I don't claim to be Righteous either, but I feel such a strong aversion and repulsion to pork, that if I suspect I may have toched it, I run for soap and water to wash my hands. Unfortunately, one never knows if some chemical additives of food may come from pork......
I wonder if Jews could make Kashrut open, and kosher food widely available to Gentiles, so it is sold in every food stores.
Perhaps it's forbidden.....????? After all, one of the benefits of Kashrut for Judaism is keeping Jews and Gentiles separated and avoid they eat together, lest it increases the possibility of assimilation....
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I am not a Jew, and I don't claim to be Righteous either, but I feel such a strong aversion and repulsion to pork, that if I suspect I may have toched it, I run for soap and water to wash my hands. Unfortunately, one never knows if some chemical additives of food may come from pork......
I wonder if Jews could make Kashrut open, and kosher food widely available to Gentiles, so it is sold in every food stores.
Perhaps it's forbidden.....????? After all, one of the benefits of Kashrut for Judaism is keeping Jews and Gentiles separated and avoid they eat together, lest it increases the possibility of assimilation....
I always felt that kashrut was a way to keep the circle of life going. Those animals which we aren't suposed to eat are meant for other animals to eat.
Foods like Pork, which can be eaten by gentiles...you're possibly right...one reason might be to prevent assimilation.
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Yes, I believe it refers to how coarse the grains are as was mentioned earlier. Even if pork were kosher, I'm not eating it. O0
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
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I am not a Jew, and I don't claim to be Righteous either, but I feel such a strong aversion and repulsion to pork, that if I suspect I may have toched it, I run for soap and water to wash my hands. Unfortunately, one never knows if some chemical additives of food may come from pork......
I wonder if Jews could make Kashrut open, and kosher food widely available to Gentiles, so it is sold in every food stores.
Perhaps it's forbidden.....????? After all, one of the benefits of Kashrut for Judaism is keeping Jews and Gentiles separated and avoid they eat together, lest it increases the possibility of assimilation....
Yea but even Kosher food, a Jew should not really partake with a gentile, because of the reason of assimilation. Thats why during Purim even though the food and wine was 100% kosher the Jews were allmost annihilated (their was a decree made agains't them), because they participated the Ahashverosh's party, etc.
The reason is not hatred, but the reason is that the first step is them sitting and having a meal together, and then because of the bond that people have when eating together one might eventually say "you know I have my daugher for your son, or vice versa and their could be intermarriage, G-d forbid.
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I am not a Jew, and I don't claim to be Righteous either, but I feel such a strong aversion and repulsion to pork, that if I suspect I may have toched it, I run for soap and water to wash my hands. Unfortunately, one never knows if some chemical additives of food may come from pork......
I wonder if Jews could make Kashrut open, and kosher food widely available to Gentiles, so it is sold in every food stores.
Perhaps it's forbidden.....????? After all, one of the benefits of Kashrut for Judaism is keeping Jews and Gentiles separated and avoid they eat together, lest it increases the possibility of assimilation....
Yea but even Kosher food, a Jew should not really partake with a gentile, because of the reason of assimilation. Thats why during Purim even though the food and wine was 100% kosher the Jews were allmost annihilated (their was a decree made agains't them), because they participated the Ahashverosh's party, etc.
Well, you also have to remember what the reason for Achashverosh's party was. But you are correct, and the law of Pas Yisroel came from this. (Also some poskim hold that commercial products today aren't applicable)
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
No, not really. It's an enzyme.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
I have no clue, but we always buy kosher salt .... because it has K on the box ;D
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
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Dr. Dan you are right, you need some time off. I dont know what you are talking about, but I said one should follow the legit Orthodox hecsherim, and not reform or conservative, soo what? - and I wasn't even saying go to Orthodox A or Orthodox B, + you cant blame me or people who think like me, or use them as an excuse not to eat kosher or do other things, becuase at the end of the day its just an excuse.
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Dr. Dan you are right, you need some time off. I dont know what you are talking about, but I said one should follow the legit Orthodox hecsherim, and not reform or conservative, soo what? - and I wasn't even saying go to Orthodox A or Orthodox B, + you cant blame me or people who think like me, or use them as an excuse not to eat kosher or do other things, becuase at the end of the day its just an excuse.
Tzvi, you can come and push all the Torahanytime.com you want(and I have no problem with that) but you have to realize that if you drive one jew away from judaism, all the torahanytime.com in the world won't make up for that sin. Can't you be respectful to Dr. Dan at all? Don't you recognize him as a person? Would you talk to a dog in such a way? You weren't even attacking me here but I feel so bad that you can talk in such an arrogant way to another jew. He wasn't telling you to eat treif, he was just saying that you should be careful the way you word things. I don't want any arguments to break out over this, just please be careful they way you address other people. I certainly don't see any reason for you to say that Dr. Dan needs "time off." He seems very reasonable to me.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
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Dr. Dan you are right, you need some time off. I dont know what you are talking about, but I said one should follow the legit Orthodox hecsherim, and not reform or conservative, soo what? - and I wasn't even saying go to Orthodox A or Orthodox B, + you cant blame me or people who think like me, or use them as an excuse not to eat kosher or do other things, becuase at the end of the day its just an excuse.
And you Tzvi, you need to show some respect to your elders...you have damaged my view of Judaism more than you can imagine...done the exact opposite to what Chaim had been doing for the last 15 months! I can't believe you were made honorable winged member...you dont' deserve it...
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Dr. Dan you are right, you need some time off. I dont know what you are talking about, but I said one should follow the legit Orthodox hecsherim, and not reform or conservative, soo what? - and I wasn't even saying go to Orthodox A or Orthodox B, + you cant blame me or people who think like me, or use them as an excuse not to eat kosher or do other things, becuase at the end of the day its just an excuse.
And you Tzvi, you need to show some respect to your elders...you have damaged my view of Judaism more than you can imagine...done the exact opposite to what Chaim had been doing for the last 15 months! I can't believe you were made honorable winged member...you dont' deserve it...
Tzvi, if you drive a wonderful person like Dr. Dan away from Judaism, you can put Cholov Yisrael in your mouth your whole life and rip your hair out of your head on yom kippur but it will not be enough to make up for the sin. You have done the same thing to my judaism. You don't know how terrible this is.
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Dr. Dan you are right, you need some time off. I dont know what you are talking about, but I said one should follow the legit Orthodox hecsherim, and not reform or conservative, soo what? - and I wasn't even saying go to Orthodox A or Orthodox B, + you cant blame me or people who think like me, or use them as an excuse not to eat kosher or do other things, becuase at the end of the day its just an excuse.
And you Tzvi, you need to show some respect to your elders...you have damaged my view of Judaism more than you can imagine...done the exact opposite to what Chaim had been doing for the last 15 months! I can't believe you were made honorable winged member...you dont' deserve it...
Calm yourself, I dont want to fight with you, but why should I refrain from saying what needs to be said? How have I damaged your view on Judaism, by saying reform is not legit ??? . If saying refrom is not legit, is damaging Judasim, then I wonder what Judasim they are talking about? (I hope it is damaging reform Judasim yes.) I have a question to you. If a Rabbi states a Halacha and says Halacha A, and it will turn you off because you dont agree with it does that mean that the Rabbi should refrain from teaching it?
Like a Rabbi said- (I belive my Rabbi quoting the Lubavitch) age doesn't go by the # in the passport.
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Dr. Dan you are right, you need some time off. I dont know what you are talking about, but I said one should follow the legit Orthodox hecsherim, and not reform or conservative, soo what? - and I wasn't even saying go to Orthodox A or Orthodox B, + you cant blame me or people who think like me, or use them as an excuse not to eat kosher or do other things, becuase at the end of the day its just an excuse.
And you Tzvi, you need to show some respect to your elders...you have damaged my view of Judaism more than you can imagine...done the exact opposite to what Chaim had been doing for the last 15 months! I can't believe you were made honorable winged member...you dont' deserve it...
Calm yourself, I dont want to fight with you, but why should I refrain from saying what needs to be said? How have I damaged your view on Judaism, by saying reform is not legit ??? . If saying refrom is not legit, is damaging Judasim, then I wonder what Judasim they are talking about? (I hope it is damaging reform Judasim yes.) I have a question to you. If a Rabbi states a Halacha and says Halacha A, and it will turn you off because you dont agree with it does that mean that the Rabbi should refrain from teaching it?
Like a Rabbi said- (I belive my Rabbi quoting the Lubavitch) age doesn't go by the # in the passport.
Can you explain what you meant by that tzvi? What do you mean age doesn't go by the # in the passport? Who are you insulting now?
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Dr. Dan you are right, you need some time off. I dont know what you are talking about, but I said one should follow the legit Orthodox hecsherim, and not reform or conservative, soo what? - and I wasn't even saying go to Orthodox A or Orthodox B, + you cant blame me or people who think like me, or use them as an excuse not to eat kosher or do other things, becuase at the end of the day its just an excuse.
And you Tzvi, you need to show some respect to your elders...you have damaged my view of Judaism more than you can imagine...done the exact opposite to what Chaim had been doing for the last 15 months! I can't believe you were made honorable winged member...you dont' deserve it...
Calm yourself, I dont want to fight with you, but why should I refrain from saying what needs to be said? How have I damaged your view on Judaism, by saying reform is not legit ??? . If saying refrom is not legit, is damaging Judasim, then I wonder what Judasim they are talking about? (I hope it is damaging reform Judasim yes.) I have a question to you. If a Rabbi states a Halacha and says Halacha A, and it will turn you off because you dont agree with it does that mean that the Rabbi should refrain from teaching it?
Like a Rabbi said- (I belive my Rabbi quoting the Lubavitch) age doesn't go by the # in the passport.
Frist, i'm not talking about Reform being legit..or even conservative...I'm talking about you viewing some orthodox to be illegitimate.
You can build any fence you want...but just because that fence works for you and mine just happens to be little closer to the Torah than yours when it comes down to kashrut or shabbat or anything else doesn't make it illegitimate. It's the disdain which you show whenever you speak that you're way is the right way and everyone else is wrong..and because they are wrong, they are all going to go to Hell or might deserve the death penalty and are Karet if they do it wrong.
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Dr. Dan you are right, you need some time off. I dont know what you are talking about, but I said one should follow the legit Orthodox hecsherim, and not reform or conservative, soo what? - and I wasn't even saying go to Orthodox A or Orthodox B, + you cant blame me or people who think like me, or use them as an excuse not to eat kosher or do other things, becuase at the end of the day its just an excuse.
And you Tzvi, you need to show some respect to your elders...you have damaged my view of Judaism more than you can imagine...done the exact opposite to what Chaim had been doing for the last 15 months! I can't believe you were made honorable winged member...you dont' deserve it...
Calm yourself, I dont want to fight with you, but why should I refrain from saying what needs to be said? How have I damaged your view on Judaism, by saying reform is not legit ??? . If saying refrom is not legit, is damaging Judasim, then I wonder what Judasim they are talking about? (I hope it is damaging reform Judasim yes.) I have a question to you. If a Rabbi states a Halacha and says Halacha A, and it will turn you off because you dont agree with it does that mean that the Rabbi should refrain from teaching it?
Like a Rabbi said- (I belive my Rabbi quoting the Lubavitch) age doesn't go by the # in the passport.
Can you explain what you meant by that tzvi? What do you mean age doesn't go by the # in the passport? Who are you insulting now?
Respect yoru elders because they are generation closer to Sinai than you are....
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Well Dr. Dan, before someone respects a person, they have to first recognize that person as a human being. That may be the fundamental problem here with certain people refusing to see others as human. I hope for everyones sake, their tone changes and they start talking in a respectful tone to others.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
OdKahaneChai, I will answer. We should use well respected hechshers. We don't need to speak in terms of "orthodox this and that" that is what upsets people.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
OdKahaneChai, I will answer. We should use well respected hechshers.
What does that mean? Which hechshers are well respected?
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
Exactly, it's not like you were telling people on here not to eat kosher or something. You were merely trying to get people to speak respectfully. If someone is not eating kosher, screaming at him certainly will not make him start. Everyone can eat what they want, nobody should speak in a derogatory tone towards good people.
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so teh subject is moved here so that i have to click on a bunch of folders to get to it? Or since we dont' want any other administrator to notice what's going on?
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
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;D I just realized (by going back and rereading the posts) that I wasn't even replying to Dan origionally, and all of a sudden he gets offended. Honestly, suck it up, not everything is directed to you. If you go back and read and see that you were telling me not to be shallow or whatever, (which is deragotary by the way), if you have a problem with my opinion (and also Jewish statements on what is allowed and what isn't, according to the original Orthodox Judasim, then dont read it.) If every Rabbi would listin to this way of thinking (like many of the reform do) then their would be no Torah learning, because it might "turn someone off". No Rabbi would be allowed to say any Halacha that people might have a hard time excepting and then their would be no Judaism G-d forbid. Rabbi Kahane ZTL HYD would not have been able to say we need to expel the arabs from the land of Israel because it defintily did turn some people off and they did get distanced from what they believe to be Judasim.
This conversation is over.
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;D I just realized (by going back and rereading the posts) that I wasn't even replying to Dan origionally, and all of a sudden he gets offended. Honestly, suck it up, not everything is directed to you. If you go back and read and see that you were telling me not to be shallow or whatever, (which is deragotary by the way), if you have a problem with my opinion (and also Jewish statements on what is allowed and what isn't, according to the original Orthodox Judasim, then dont read it.) If every Rabbi would listin to this way of thinking (like many of the reform do) then their would be no Torah learning, because it might "turn someone off". No Rabbi would be allowed to say any Halacha that people might have a hard time excepting and then their would be no Judaism G-d forbid. Rabbi Kahane ZTL HYD would not have been able to say we need to expel the arabs from the land of Israel because it defintily did turn some people off and they did get distanced from what they believe to be Judasim.
This conversation is over.
I know that you weren't directing it towards me. But when you said it, it came off to be very smug.
I am all for learning torah and halakha..but yo uavhe to be ready for someone who will disagree and have a discussion about it. in the past when i tried to discuss certain things with you, you dismissed any argument i made because it was my own and not from a rebbe...it's an unfair retort...If i present an arguement, you can use rabbis to dispute my answers but use yoru words also to dispute it.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
Dr. Dan, that made no sense. Who says a Jew needs to be on a diet?
You toss the word "fence" around a lot. And you usually use them to mean any a Halacha that is D'Rabbonon. And you are getting these confused with something that is just a stringency. Por ejemplo:
Muktzah: Rabbinic Prohibition. LAW.
Not Carrying on Shabbos, inside an Eruv: stringency. Not Law.
See the difference?...
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
Dr. Dan, that made no sense. Who says a Jew needs to be on a diet?
You toss the word "fence" around a lot. And you usually use them to mean any a Halacha that is D'Rabbonon. And you are getting these confused with something that is just a stringency. Por ejemplo:
Muktzah: Rabbinic Prohibition. LAW.
Not Carrying on Shabbos, inside an Eruv: stringency. Not Law.
See the difference?...
1. My example of chocolates has nothign to do with actual jewish law. It is a perception of what some religious Jews do with Torah law when a fence i built around it.
2. I don't understand the second part. Please explain the difference.
-
Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
Dr. Dan, that made no sense. Who says a Jew needs to be on a diet?
You toss the word "fence" around a lot. And you usually use them to mean any a Halacha that is D'Rabbonon. And you are getting these confused with something that is just a stringency. Por ejemplo:
Muktzah: Rabbinic Prohibition. LAW.
Not Carrying on Shabbos, inside an Eruv: stringency. Not Law.
See the difference?...
1. My example of chocolates has nothign to do with actual jewish law. It is a perception of what some religious Jews do with Torah law when a fence i built around it.
2. I don't understand the second part. Please explain the difference.
One is a Law, from the Rabbis, which must be observed, and the other is a stringency, that doesn't have to be observed. Understand?
-
Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
Dr. Dan, that made no sense. Who says a Jew needs to be on a diet?
You toss the word "fence" around a lot. And you usually use them to mean any a Halacha that is D'Rabbonon. And you are getting these confused with something that is just a stringency. Por ejemplo:
Muktzah: Rabbinic Prohibition. LAW.
Not Carrying on Shabbos, inside an Eruv: stringency. Not Law.
See the difference?...
1. My example of chocolates has nothign to do with actual jewish law. It is a perception of what some religious Jews do with Torah law when a fence i built around it.
2. I don't understand the second part. Please explain the difference.
One is a Law, from the Rabbis, which must be observed, and the other is a stringency, that doesn't have to be observed. Understand?
I understand the stringency.
But not all Rabbis agreed or have the same interpretation of a certain law.
Are enzymes a stringency or a law?
-
Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
Dr. Dan, that made no sense. Who says a Jew needs to be on a diet?
You toss the word "fence" around a lot. And you usually use them to mean any a Halacha that is D'Rabbonon. And you are getting these confused with something that is just a stringency. Por ejemplo:
Muktzah: Rabbinic Prohibition. LAW.
Not Carrying on Shabbos, inside an Eruv: stringency. Not Law.
See the difference?...
1. My example of chocolates has nothign to do with actual jewish law. It is a perception of what some religious Jews do with Torah law when a fence i built around it.
2. I don't understand the second part. Please explain the difference.
One is a Law, from the Rabbis, which must be observed, and the other is a stringency, that doesn't have to be observed. Understand?
I understand the stringency.
But not all Rabbis agreed or have the same interpretation of a certain law.
"From the Rabbis," usually means from the Amoraim, Tannaim, or before. I think you misunderstood me there.
Are enzymes a stringency or a law?
That rennet is treif is a law. It is normally taken from non-kosher animals...
-
Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
Dr. Dan, that made no sense. Who says a Jew needs to be on a diet?
You toss the word "fence" around a lot. And you usually use them to mean any a Halacha that is D'Rabbonon. And you are getting these confused with something that is just a stringency. Por ejemplo:
Muktzah: Rabbinic Prohibition. LAW.
Not Carrying on Shabbos, inside an Eruv: stringency. Not Law.
See the difference?...
1. My example of chocolates has nothign to do with actual jewish law. It is a perception of what some religious Jews do with Torah law when a fence i built around it.
2. I don't understand the second part. Please explain the difference.
One is a Law, from the Rabbis, which must be observed, and the other is a stringency, that doesn't have to be observed. Understand?
I understand the stringency.
But not all Rabbis agreed or have the same interpretation of a certain law.
"From the Rabbis," usually means from the Amoraim, Tannaim, or before. I think you misunderstood me there.
Are enzymes a stringency or a law?
That rennet is treif is a law. It is normally taken from non-kosher animals...
What is rennet exactly?
I heard somewhere, in regards to gelatin, that sometimes it comes from pig bone or pig cartilage and processed to a point that it is unrecognizable to be any different if it were from a kosher animal. I think ther eis a disagreement between orthodox rabbis with each other on whether it can be eaten...and obviously with conservative rabbis and orthodox rabbis (but we will leave the non orthodox rabbis out of this arguement).
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"I think ther eis a disagreement between orthodox rabbis with each other on whether it can be eaten..."
If so then provide a source please. By the way many of the protein shakes and other things are made from stuff like this. And thats why their are some that have an O U sign saying it isn't made from that (but usually from WHEY.
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"I think ther eis a disagreement between orthodox rabbis with each other on whether it can be eaten..."
If so then provide a source please. By the way many of the protein shakes and other things are made from stuff like this. And thats why their are some that have an O U sign saying it isn't made from that (but usually from WHEY.
I know some orthodox jews who will not eat at certain glatt kosher restaurants. (I dont' remember the reason, though). so i have no source and you have to understand, I don't have access nor time to find soruces like you do who studies in yeshiva all day. So please be fair...show me that orthodox rabbis agree on everything with each other in regards to kashrut and I'll listen, even though i'm goign to keep askign questions.
And don't dismiss my arguements if i dont' have sources...teach me.
-
Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
Dr. Dan, that made no sense. Who says a Jew needs to be on a diet?
You toss the word "fence" around a lot. And you usually use them to mean any a Halacha that is D'Rabbonon. And you are getting these confused with something that is just a stringency. Por ejemplo:
Muktzah: Rabbinic Prohibition. LAW.
Not Carrying on Shabbos, inside an Eruv: stringency. Not Law.
See the difference?...
1. My example of chocolates has nothign to do with actual jewish law. It is a perception of what some religious Jews do with Torah law when a fence i built around it.
2. I don't understand the second part. Please explain the difference.
One is a Law, from the Rabbis, which must be observed, and the other is a stringency, that doesn't have to be observed. Understand?
I understand the stringency.
But not all Rabbis agreed or have the same interpretation of a certain law.
"From the Rabbis," usually means from the Amoraim, Tannaim, or before. I think you misunderstood me there.
Are enzymes a stringency or a law?
That rennet is treif is a law. It is normally taken from non-kosher animals...
What is rennet exactly?
From my understanding, it's a digestive enzyme found in mammals, that is normally taken from either non-kosher animals, or at least calves or kids that were not slaughtered according to Halacha. And even if it were, you would still have a problem because it (I believe) would be considered Fleishig. I think most kosher cheeses use vegetable "rennet>"
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
Dr. Dan, that made no sense. Who says a Jew needs to be on a diet?
You toss the word "fence" around a lot. And you usually use them to mean any a Halacha that is D'Rabbonon. And you are getting these confused with something that is just a stringency. Por ejemplo:
Muktzah: Rabbinic Prohibition. LAW.
Not Carrying on Shabbos, inside an Eruv: stringency. Not Law.
See the difference?...
1. My example of chocolates has nothign to do with actual jewish law. It is a perception of what some religious Jews do with Torah law when a fence i built around it.
2. I don't understand the second part. Please explain the difference.
One is a Law, from the Rabbis, which must be observed, and the other is a stringency, that doesn't have to be observed. Understand?
I understand the stringency.
But not all Rabbis agreed or have the same interpretation of a certain law.
"From the Rabbis," usually means from the Amoraim, Tannaim, or before. I think you misunderstood me there.
Are enzymes a stringency or a law?
That rennet is treif is a law. It is normally taken from non-kosher animals...
What is rennet exactly?
From my understanding, it's a digestive enzyme found in mammals, that is normally taken from either non-kosher animals, or at least calves or kids that were not slaughtered according to Halacha. And even if it were, you would still have a problem because it (I believe) would be considered Fleishig. I think most kosher cheeses use vegetable "rennet>"
So rennet are digestive enzymes found in mammals. How was it determined by rabbis that even rennet counted as enough substance to be deemed where it actually came from to make it law?
What is Fleishig?
I agree that it is safer to use rennet from vegetables than from mammals if rennet exists in vegetables.
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"I think ther eis a disagreement between orthodox rabbis with each other on whether it can be eaten..."
If so then provide a source please. By the way many of the protein shakes and other things are made from stuff like this. And thats why their are some that have an O U sign saying it isn't made from that (but usually from WHEY.
I know some orthodox jews who will not eat at certain glatt kosher restaurants. (I dont' remember the reason, though). so i have no source and you have to understand, I don't have access nor time to find soruces like you do who studies in yeshiva all day. So please be fair...show me that orthodox rabbis agree on everything with each other in regards to kashrut and I'll listen, even though i'm goign to keep askign questions.
And don't dismiss my arguements if i dont' have sources...teach me.
Yes, that is true. That shouldn't bother others though because they have good reasons. 1 reason is because even with their being a reliable person watching over ,etc one cant be exactly sure that every vegatable for example was checked for bugs. And since they are doing it all day anything can happen, they could forget, they could mess up, etc. Their are those that will say that they want to be strict upon themselves not to eat out, but eat vegetables for example that they or their wifes personally hand washed and checked.
Their are also others that say- soo what if it says Glatt Kosher, do you know the guy? Is he really reliable? etc. For example their was a case where this guy was selling non-kosher meat and pretending it to be kosher for some time, until he got caught.
Their are also those who never eat meat because of the above reason and more (because in America its all about making $, and its all made by mass production).
And also about Glatt Kosher meat itself, some only eat meat that is Beit Yosef (according to the Shulhan Aruch), what is concidered only Glatt Kosher is technically not recognized in the Shulhan Aruch, but Askenazim allowed it. But even within Askenazim some only eat Beit Yosef, because of the concern that the other opinion might be wrong.
BUT the very least Jews should do is eat Glatt Kosher, and it shouldn't bother us about those who want to be strict, infact they should be looked up to for their actions.
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Why do you need Kosher salt?
What's the difference between Kosher salt (NaCl) and non Kosher salt (NaCl)?
All salt is Kosher the reason why it is called "Kosher Salt" is because even after the the Animal had been slautered it is not kosher until the Blood is removed entirelly and Salt removes the blood
I don't understand how you can remove all the animal's blood.
I don't think it's possible to remove all of the animal's blood perfectly.
So, some blood is still there.
Ever heard of kosher pork or kosher ham?
Many years ago I heard of a Jewish couple in Brooklyn, NY having a wedding
and on the menu besides the cake is sushi and kosher ham.
The rabbi said that they drained all of the pig's blood, so now its kosher.
Must of been reform. Pig is not kosher now.
And your right not all of the blood is removed, but the majority is, and the one that remains is allowed. 1 thing though, using kosher salt 72 hours after the animal has been slaughtered is not good and wont remove that blood. Right after (within 72 hours, unless they freeze it- might give them more, they (the slaughteres) themselves have to remove the blood. And thats why authentic Glatt Kosher places will do that, and one of the reason why "regular" kosher is in fact not really kosher (as meat is concerned).
On a different note, what makes cheese kosher and unkosher?
Rennet, which is used to harden cheese, is often taken from non-kosher animals...
What if rennet comes from a kosher animal? It's still a mixture of meat and cheese.
True, and I even heard this from a professor of mine when I asked him (after class) whats the difference between conservative and Orthodox Judasim (I know, but just wanted to see what he will say). He was talking and then he said that for example in Kashrut they allow chemicals (or whatever that is) that is made from meat to as an add on to cheese and they allow it as kosher.
After that I understood even more that we should watch out for the proper Kosher symbols even in cheese and things we might think is not that bad (like candy), and not rely on on our opinion and on so-called kosher standards which are not legit. Only buy from the legit Orthodox hechscherim.
It's not good to be so shallow..when you dive into shallow water, you can potentially break your neck...Just a heads up.
What are you talking about?
"Legit orthodox"?!
It's not good to be alone in the world, Tzvi...watch your mouth! First it's the reform, then it's the conservative, then Orthodox A is not jewish enough..and then Orthodox B isn't jewish enough and so it goes...You don't preach proper Torah when you speak like that...
Can you blame him for not wanting to eat Treif?
Treif?! How about stop breathing air because it is recycled from the byproduct of pigs who breath this air...you've got to be kidding me!
"Legit orthodox?!" I find that to be offensive and i'm not even orthodox! Putting one's nose in the air to a fellow Jew or group of Jewish people? This is why the reform movement does insane things to rebel..this is why the conservative movemetn does things to rebel..because of people like Tzvi!
Ok, so then tell me, Dr. Dan, whose hecshers should we accept?
An enzyme is an enzyme...they both look alike sometimes. At the point of an enzyme you can't recognize whether it came from meat or dairy..please spare me because once you create this fence then it screws people like me over andthen I'm not Jewish enough to any of you andthen we form our own silly movements in rebellion...Think about it.
You're not answering the question...
you are asking teh wrong Jew which hechshers for you to follow...and you should know better that I don't have a clue on that..so please, spare yourself from embarrassing me in front of everyone here on this forum.
You can build all the fences you want for yourself...but don't impose your fence on me or any other Jew who disagrees with it.
In my opinion, some of you make a big deal about enzymes which can barely be seen with an electron microscope...To me, that's going too far and too strict and possibly not in spirit of Torah Judaism. certainly will not become karet or go to Hell, Gd forbid, if the enzyme whcih is unrecognizable to the human eye, and just happens to come from a cow kosher or unkosher and one from a dairy product.
Yes, if i had a table spoon of milk on my plate and decided to put a nice chunk of kosher steak on top of it, I would agree that doing that isn't safe...but that's my personal choice of considering it unsafe.
But that's where Judaism disagrees. It's my obligation to try in every possible way to prevent you from doing so.
I completely understand that fences need to be built and sanctified. I will not argue with that concept. However, some fences very religious and observant Jews make are way too far away from the Torah.
I'll give an example of a fence that has nothign to do wtih Torah...Chocolate. A delicious sweet fattening dessert and snack!
If one is on a diet he should not eat chocolate. So that not eating chocolate is the commandment. To build a fence around this commandent: "Thou shalt not eat chocolate", one will make a rule not to look at it; antoher will say, not to go in the same room where the chocolate is...and one will make a fence not to go into the same building as the chocollate..and onthe rwill make a fence even further way not to be in the same friggin town as the chocolate!
so pray tell, going back to the enzymes...electron microscope level is a big deal to you? YOu shoudl makeit a big deal to all Jews? I dont' think so...but for yourself, do what keeps you from beign tempted from eating chocolate...
got it?
Dr. Dan, that made no sense. Who says a Jew needs to be on a diet?
You toss the word "fence" around a lot. And you usually use them to mean any a Halacha that is D'Rabbonon. And you are getting these confused with something that is just a stringency. Por ejemplo:
Muktzah: Rabbinic Prohibition. LAW.
Not Carrying on Shabbos, inside an Eruv: stringency. Not Law.
See the difference?...
1. My example of chocolates has nothign to do with actual jewish law. It is a perception of what some religious Jews do with Torah law when a fence i built around it.
2. I don't understand the second part. Please explain the difference.
One is a Law, from the Rabbis, which must be observed, and the other is a stringency, that doesn't have to be observed. Understand?
I understand the stringency.
But not all Rabbis agreed or have the same interpretation of a certain law.
"From the Rabbis," usually means from the Amoraim, Tannaim, or before. I think you misunderstood me there.
Are enzymes a stringency or a law?
That rennet is treif is a law. It is normally taken from non-kosher animals...
What is rennet exactly?
From my understanding, it's a digestive enzyme found in mammals, that is normally taken from either non-kosher animals, or at least calves or kids that were not slaughtered according to Halacha. And even if it were, you would still have a problem because it (I believe) would be considered Fleishig. I think most kosher cheeses use vegetable "rennet>"
How was it determined by rabbis that even rennet counted as enough substance to be deemed where it actually came from to make it law?
I don't understand what you mean there...
What is Fleishig?
Basari.
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From my understanding, this "vegetable renit" is of this century only. The only way they used to make cheese was from animal intestines. The Rambam talks about using cat intestines to make cheese in Hilchot Shabbat.
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"I think ther eis a disagreement between orthodox rabbis with each other on whether it can be eaten..."
If so then provide a source please. By the way many of the protein shakes and other things are made from stuff like this. And thats why their are some that have an O U sign saying it isn't made from that (but usually from WHEY.
I know some orthodox jews who will not eat at certain glatt kosher restaurants. (I dont' remember the reason, though). so i have no source and you have to understand, I don't have access nor time to find soruces like you do who studies in yeshiva all day. So please be fair...show me that orthodox rabbis agree on everything with each other in regards to kashrut and I'll listen, even though i'm goign to keep askign questions.
And don't dismiss my arguements if i dont' have sources...teach me.
Yes, that is true. That shouldn't bother others though because they have good reasons. 1 reason is because even with their being a reliable person watching over ,etc one cant be exactly sure that every vegatable for example was checked for bugs. And since they are doing it all day anything can happen, they could forget, they could mess up, etc. Their are those that will say that they want to be strict upon themselves not to eat out, but eat vegetables for example that they or their wifes personally hand washed and checked.
Their are also others that say- soo what if it says Glatt Kosher, do you know the guy? Is he really reliable? etc. For example their was a case where this guy was selling non-kosher meat and pretending it to be kosher for some time, until he got caught.
Their are also those who never eat meat because of the above reason and more (because in America its all about making $, and its all made by mass production).
And also about Glatt Kosher meat itself, some only eat meat that is Beit Yosef (according to the Shulhan Aruch), what is concidered only Glatt Kosher is technically not recognized in the Shulhan Aruch, but Askenazim allowed it. But even within Askenazim some only eat Beit Yosef, because of the concern that the other opinion might be wrong.
BUT the very least Jews should do is eat Glatt Kosher, and it shouldn't bother us about those who want to be strict, infact they should be looked up to for their actions.
I understand and agree with the above reply, Tzvi.
I only disagree with the last part. I don't think we should look up to those who wish to be stricter than the Rabbis. On the other hand, we should respect their wishes if they want to do things that way.
I can only look up to those who follow halakha properly. But those who go over board with it and do more than what is required, I will not look down at, but will simply respect their wishes if it makes them feel better to be that way.
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From my understanding, it's a digestive enzyme found in mammals, that is normally taken from either non-kosher animals, or at least calves or kids that were not slaughtered according to Halacha. And even if it were, you would still have a problem because it (I believe) would be considered Fleishig. I think most kosher cheeses use vegetable "rennet>"
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How was it determined by rabbis that even rennet counted as enough substance to be deemed where it actually came from to make it law?
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I don't understand what you mean there...
What is Fleishig?
Basari.
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Sorry, how did the rabbis determine that even digestive enzymes are recongizable enough to be considered equal enough to the actual meat itself? Enzymes can barely be seen in a microscope.
Btw, what is Basari?
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From my understanding, this "vegetable renit" is of this century only. The only way they used to make cheese was from animal intestines. The Rambam talks about using cat intestines to make cheese in Hilchot Shabbat.
Can you educate us about what the Rabbis said about the renets and what the proper halakha is?
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"I only disagree with the last part. I don't think we should look up to those who wish to be stricter than the Rabbis. On the other hand, we should respect their wishes if they want to do things that way.
I can only look up to those who follow halakha properly. But those who go over board with it and do more than what is required, I will not look down at, but will simply respect their wishes if it makes them feel better to be that way."
In actuality in this case originally what is considered "the strick opinion" was the norm, and then (1 Askenazi opinion) the Halacha actually went down in the level (something that they allow the removal of that part thats covering the lungs), BUT if one would follow stricktly the Shulhan Aruch then it would not be allowed because Maran Rabbi Yosef Karo didn't allow it. Today from what I heard- that for us at the very least the standard should be Glatt Kosher, but in actuality the best is Beit Yosef only.
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"I only disagree with the last part. I don't think we should look up to those who wish to be stricter than the Rabbis. On the other hand, we should respect their wishes if they want to do things that way.
I can only look up to those who follow halakha properly. But those who go over board with it and do more than what is required, I will not look down at, but will simply respect their wishes if it makes them feel better to be that way."
In actuality in this case originally what is considered "the strick opinion" was the norm, and then (1 Askenazi opinion) the Halacha actually went down in the level (something that they allow the removal of that part thats covering the lungs), BUT if one would follow stricktly the Shulhan Aruch then it would not be allowed because Maran Rabbi Yosef Karo didn't allow it. Today from what I heard- that for us at the very least the standard should be Glatt Kosher, but in actuality the best is Beit Yosef only.
What's the difference between beit yosef and glatt kosher?
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"I only disagree with the last part. I don't think we should look up to those who wish to be stricter than the Rabbis. On the other hand, we should respect their wishes if they want to do things that way.
I can only look up to those who follow halakha properly. But those who go over board with it and do more than what is required, I will not look down at, but will simply respect their wishes if it makes them feel better to be that way."
In actuality in this case originally what is considered "the strick opinion" was the norm, and then (1 Askenazi opinion) the Halacha actually went down in the level (something that they allow the removal of that part thats covering the lungs), BUT if one would follow stricktly the Shulhan Aruch then it would not be allowed because Maran Rabbi Yosef Karo didn't allow it. Today from what I heard- that for us at the very least the standard should be Glatt Kosher, but in actuality the best is Beit Yosef only.
What's the difference between beit yosef and glatt kosher?
Here is a question and response that one of the Bukharian Rabbi's answers
Rabbi, I would like to know the difference between kosher and glatt kosher. can u explain it to me please?
thank you.
BS”D
BJEW4U – thanks for the important question!
Glatt in Yiddish means smooth. In other words, the lungs of the animal were smooth, without any adhesions that could potentially make the animal as Treif (not Kosher).
The lung of an animal can develop what is called - Sirchot (adhesions). A hole in the lung would render the animal Treif. Adhesions are problematic - either because they indicate the presence of a hole in the lung that has been insufficiently sealed (Rashi) or because they can become loosened, thereby causing a hole to develop (Tosafot).
According to the Sephardim (Bukharians included) who follow the Shulchan Aruch (Rabbi Yosef Karo) they are required to eat ONLY Glatt (Chalak, in Hebrew - Glatt/Chalak Beit Yosef). For our Ashkenazim brothers, they have a tradition that a small, easily removable adhesion is defined as a lower class of adhesion, known as Rir, and that the presence of up to two such small, easily removable adhesions still qualifies the animal as Glatt.
The Rema’s leniency would NOT apply to young, tender animals such as lamb, kid and calf (Ramah, Yoreh Deah 39:13). Therefore, all lamb chops, veal or other meat from young animals must be Glatt Beit Yosef - even for Ashkenazim.
The term Glatt would NOT apply to any kind of chicken, fish or dairy products.
Therefore, non-Glatt meat (or simply kosher meat) would NOT meet the above standards.
I am NOT one to say that they are entirely not Kosher – but it would BEST to stay away from just plain kosher meat – and purchase ONLY Glatt meat (Glatt Beit Yosef – or at least to the standards of Glatt for the Ashkenazim). Back in Bukhara land – the meat that was checked and eaten was to the standards of Glatt Beit Yosef.
Enjoy!
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Rabbi Refael Ribacoff
Executive Director: Sha'arei Zion Ohel Bracha -
affiliated with Beth Gavriel Bukharian Congregation
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"I only disagree with the last part. I don't think we should look up to those who wish to be stricter than the Rabbis. On the other hand, we should respect their wishes if they want to do things that way.
I can only look up to those who follow halakha properly. But those who go over board with it and do more than what is required, I will not look down at, but will simply respect their wishes if it makes them feel better to be that way."
In actuality in this case originally what is considered "the strick opinion" was the norm, and then (1 Askenazi opinion) the Halacha actually went down in the level (something that they allow the removal of that part thats covering the lungs), BUT if one would follow stricktly the Shulhan Aruch then it would not be allowed because Maran Rabbi Yosef Karo didn't allow it. Today from what I heard- that for us at the very least the standard should be Glatt Kosher, but in actuality the best is Beit Yosef only.
What's the difference between beit yosef and glatt kosher?
Here is a question and response that one of the Bukharian Rabbi's answers
Rabbi, I would like to know the difference between kosher and glatt kosher. can u explain it to me please?
thank you.
BS”D
BJEW4U – thanks for the important question!
Glatt in Yiddish means smooth. In other words, the lungs of the animal were smooth, without any adhesions that could potentially make the animal as Treif (not Kosher).
The lung of an animal can develop what is called - Sirchot (adhesions). A hole in the lung would render the animal Treif. Adhesions are problematic - either because they indicate the presence of a hole in the lung that has been insufficiently sealed (Rashi) or because they can become loosened, thereby causing a hole to develop (Tosafot).
According to the Sefaradim (Bukharians included) who follow the Shulchan Aruch (Rabbi Yosef Karo) they are required to eat ONLY Glatt (Chalak, in Hebrew - Glatt/Chalak Beit Yosef). For our Ashkenazim brothers, they have a tradition that a small, easily removable adhesion is defined as a lower class of adhesion, known as Rir, and that the presence of up to two such small, easily removable adhesions still qualifies the animal as Glatt.
The Rema’s leniency would NOT apply to young, tender animals such as lamb, kid and calf (Ramah, Yoreh Deah 39:13). Therefore, all lamb chops, veal or other meat from young animals must be Glatt Beit Yosef - even for Ashkenazim.
The term Glatt would NOT apply to any kind of chicken, fish or dairy products.
Therefore, non-Glatt meat (or simply kosher meat) would NOT meet the above standards.
I am NOT one to say that they are entirely not Kosher – but it would BEST to stay away from just plain kosher meat – and purchase ONLY Glatt meat (Glatt Beit Yosef – or at least to the standards of Glatt for the Ashkenazim). Back in Bukhara land – the meat that was checked and eaten was to the standards of Glatt Beit Yosef.
Enjoy!
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Rabbi Refael Ribacoff
Executive Director: Sha'arei Zion Ohel Bracha -
affiliated with Beth Gavriel Bukharian Congregation
Ok, I'm going to reword this a little bit as I think what is being said.
Glatt for sefardim and ashkenazim is meant to refer to the lungs being smooth in a kosher mammal. If it isn't smooth, it's treif. The animal might be kosher, but it's treif in teh sense that it isn't glatt kosher (ok my first question is what's wrong with adhesions in the lungs?)
If a couple Rir exist in an adult kosher mammal, it's ok for the ashkanazim, (but not sure about the sefardim also).
Chicken, fish, dairy do not apply to Glatt.
The answer doesn't explain what the difference between plain glatt and Glatt Ben Yousef is.
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From my understanding, it's a digestive enzyme found in mammals, that is normally taken from either non-kosher animals, or at least calves or kids that were not slaughtered according to Halacha. And even if it were, you would still have a problem because it (I believe) would be considered Fleishig. I think most kosher cheeses use vegetable "rennet>"
How was it determined by rabbis that even rennet counted as enough substance to be deemed where it actually came from to make it law?
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I don't understand what you mean there...
What is Fleishig?
Basari.
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Sorry, how did the rabbis determine that even digestive enzymes are recongizable enough to be considered equal enough to the actual meat itself? Enzymes can barely be seen in a microscope.
Btw, what is Basari?
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Depends how many of them you have...
And basar or fleish is meat.
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I am not a Rabbi so don't count what I write as absolute. The Rambam speaks about making cheese with cat's intestines in Hilchot Shabbat (correct me if I'm wrong but that's what the Chabbad Rabbi on chabbad.org stated in the audio lectures when he was translating the Rambam). So we can derive from this that the Rambam considers such cheese Kosher and that's how they used to make cheese back in the day. The enzymes are not considered meat and if a small amount of meet juice leaks in to the milk then it is not considered anything even if it is not Kosher meat since it is less than 1/60th of the contents for sure and it is considered Kosher. At the very least, vegetable rennet didn't exist back in the day.
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I am not a Rabbi so don't count what I write as absolute. The Rambam speaks about making cheese with cat's intestines in Hilchot Shabbat (correct me if I'm wrong but that's what the Chabbad Rabbi on chabbad.org stated in the audio lectures when he was translating the Rambam). So we can derive from this that the Rambam considers such cheese Kosher and that's how they used to make cheese back in the day. The enzymes are not considered meat and if a small amount of meet juice leaks in to the milk then it is not considered anything even if it is not Kosher meat since it is less than 1/60th of the contents for sure and it is considered Kosher. At the very least, vegetable rennet didn't exist back in the day.
They may not have used any rennet at all...
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Cheese and gelatin are disgusting when you examine them. O0
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I could see why non-Kosher gelatin with the meat separated from the gelatin will be controversial if it is actually Kosher since you are eating a direct product of the non-Kosher meat. Using non Kosher intestines to make cheese only uses the enzymes from the intestines and no direct product from the non Kosher meat is being consumed.