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Israel => Save Israel => Topic started by: Odie on March 10, 2008, 07:56:16 PM
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In my opinion, Israel should have Destroyed the Pyramids in the 1973 War
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i don`t like the thiught of that,however i can`t wait to see Israel destroy al aqsa
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That is exactly what the muslims tried to do.
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what for??
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Anything Muslim should be destroyed.
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Anything Muslim should be destroyed.
Since when are the pyramids muslim?
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i don`t like the thiught of that,however i can`t wait to see Israel destroy al aqsa
The pyramids are one of the wonders of the world why would anyone want to destroy something like that. Restoring the Temple Mount is quite a different subject.
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In my opinion, Israel should have Destroyed the Pyramids in the 1973 War
why we jews built it ourselves ;)
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Why would Israel do such a thing? Israelis are not Talibans (blowing up ancient Buddhist statues) what exactly would Israel gain from blowing up ancient Pyramids? It's a silly proposal.
Anything Muslim should be destroyed.
The ancient Egytians were Muslims? :::D
Pick up a book or stay in school. Whichever suits you.
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In my opinion, Israel should have Destroyed the Pyramids in the 1973 War
If you destroy relics of history you are bound to forget history...would have been a bad idea to do such a thing.
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With all due respect that is a stupid question... ???
Islam in its present form has only been around since apx 400-450 AD.
The Pyramids have been around for 4000 years +.
It is unfortunate that Egypt is now a muzzie country but that in no way means we should thuggishly destroy these ancient and awesome constructions.
-Saddam Hussein did a similar thing in demolishing ancient Buhddist statues. Do you really want to descend to that level?..- Crazy...
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nah, we built those pyramids for the egyptians and one day we will take back the fruits of our labor
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There's no reason to do something so awful.
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I LOVE PYRAMIDS !!!! I VISITED THEM FEW YEARS AGO AND ITS MAGNIFISENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!
If a person saw them onse, he/she will fall in love with them.
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waaaa????? what are we... the Taliban????
After WWII, we destroyed all the NAzi buildings and symbols, but we didn't start tearing down Brandenburg gate. We should destroy the Ka'bah and any other symbols that glorify Mohammad, but thats it.
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They should of, but instead they didn't and here in America, were paying for archaeologist to go over there and look at dirt stacked into a pyramid. Its disgusting that the leftist complain about slavery, but thats how these pyramids were built and they love the pyramids.
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They should of, but instead they didn't and here in America, were paying for archaeologist to go over there and look at dirt stacked into a pyramid. Its disgusting that the leftist complain about slavery, but thats how these pyramids were built and they love the pyramids.
Nearly every one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world were built with slavery. Maybe we should turn them all into mini-malls.
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Absolutely NOT!
They are one of the wonders of the ancient world and should be enjoyed and studied. The fact that they are pagan is no reason to destroy them as they have not encouraged ANY paganism in 2000 years.
Secondly, Jews are not muSSlim savages who destroy ancient treasures. Jews are the guardians of civilisation and learning, NOT book burners and destroyers of history.
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Should Israel have Destroyed the Pyramids in the 1973 War ?
No, there's little strategic value in destroying the Pyramids.
But they sure should have blown the Aswan dam !
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no no no!!!
Can you imagine the uproar against Israel!?!?
An yes, the Jews built them, and the Jews shall own them, and enjoy the benefits of them. G-D bless Yisrael!!!!
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rather than destroying pyramids, we shoudl emphasize the hardship, blood, and tears Jews went through to build them when we were slaves in Egypt..so that when people see the pyramids they think of our hardship...and therefore Gd's existence of taking us out of Egypt.
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why we jews built it ourselves ;)
nah, we built those pyramids for the egyptians and one day we will take back the fruits of our labor
rather than destroying pyramids, we shoudl emphasize the hardship, blood, and tears Jews went through to build them when we were slaves in Egypt..so that when people see the pyramids they think of our hardship...and therefore Gd's existence of taking us out of Egypt.
Oh please give me a brake. Really there is enough shtuyot in the world no need to speard more. Go open up a Tanach or a Midrash. We built Pitom and Ramzis and out of mud which btw they found. Do you see the pyramids being made out of mud? And if we did build them we weren't alone and i doubt we were even the majority.
An yes, the Jews built them, and the Jews shall own them, and enjoy the benefits of them. G-D bless Yisrael!!!!
This quote specifically caught my attention. "and yes jews built them" please show me evidence of that. and even if we did why should we own them? why should we own avoda zara? and what benefits would we have of the?
people please stop believing bs and start learning something. Jews before were never known to believe with out questioning, so please start questioning.
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The people inhabiting modern day Egypt are not the same as the Egyptians of the time of the Pharoahs.
They are largely Berbers today.
Nowhere have I found it stated that Jews built the Pyramids, except as heresay by ignorant Jews at Pesach.
Some scientists today even surmise that the Pyramids were already in place prior to the ancient Egyptian civilization.
Israel almost lost the Yom Kippur War, and suffered huge losses.
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Re: "...Nearly every one of the 7 wonders of the ancient world were built with slavery..."
Slavery was the socio-economic system everywhere in the ancient world.
There is even an admonition in The New Testament telling slaves to continue being good slaves and to not rebel against their masters.
And how quickly Americans forget that slavery was also the American socio-economic system until the latter part of the 19th Century.
More often than not, "Conservatives" who constantly advocate for "free market capitalism" as being the system which built the greatest civilization in history (America), are merely living "in denial" of the fact that their "free market" forerunners refused to do any work which might have gotten their hands dirty!
Slavery still exists today in parts of the Arab world and in Africa.
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The father of modern Economics, Adam Smith was opposed to slavery on pure economic grounds.
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Islam is a cancer which, like communism, should be vanquished. The Pyramids, although built by the Jews, should be kept, not only for historical context....but to show the world the ancient resourcefulness and building efficiency of the Jews. Pyramids then and Israel 2000 years later. Now, I will back the idea of taking a few D-9 dozers and taking out EVERY Mosque and holy shrine within the borders of Eretz Yisrael... O0
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Israel shouldn't have destroyed them in 1973. I don't see any reason for that.
What would Israel have gained? Nothing but international condemnations.
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Islam is a cancer which, like communism, should be vanquished. The Pyramids, although built by the Jews, should be kept, not only for historical context....but to show the world the ancient resourcefulness and building efficiency of the Jews. Pyramids then and Israel 2000 years later. Now, I will back the idea of taking a few D-9 dozers and taking out EVERY Mosque and holy shrine within the borders of Eretz Yisrael... O0
The pyramids weren't built by Jewish slaves. Read up on Egyptian history.
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More often than not, "Conservatives" who constantly advocate for "free market capitalism" as being the system which built the greatest civilization in history (America), are merely living "in denial" of the fact that their "free market" forerunners refused to do any work which might have gotten their hands dirty!
What a STUPID statement!!! Maybe you should go to the Bolshevik forums, where braindead propoganda will be believed.
Caplitalism did NOT start in the South with the plantations in America. It had already existed 100's of years before. There were corporations as early as Roman times, and capitalist institutions such as stock exchanges, etc had all existed in Holland in the 1600's.
Fiscal conservatives around the world ADVOCATE the free market NOT because they secretly like colonial era slavery in the Southern states, but because in today's real world, the alternative SUCKS!!! Lets see... hmmmm where would I rather live??... N. Korea or S. Korea... hmmmm... Open up your eyes, people who live communist and socialist countries are all trying to escape.
Don't try to mix this issue in with slavery. THis is like saying that all people who believe in capitalism support Nazism and/or Islamofascists, since there have been companies/corporations that have traded with both.
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Islam is a cancer which, like communism, should be vanquished. The Pyramids, although built by the Jews, should be kept, not only for historical context....but to show the world the ancient resourcefulness and building efficiency of the Jews. Pyramids then and Israel 2000 years later. Now, I will back the idea of taking a few D-9 dozers and taking out EVERY Mosque and holy shrine within the borders of Eretz Yisrael... O0
AGAIN we didnt build the pyramids. We built Pitom and Ramzis.
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Islam is a cancer which, like communism, should be vanquished. The Pyramids, although built by the Jews, should be kept, not only for historical context....but to show the world the ancient resourcefulness and building efficiency of the Jews. Pyramids then and Israel 2000 years later. Now, I will back the idea of taking a few D-9 dozers and taking out EVERY Mosque and holy shrine within the borders of Eretz Yisrael... O0
AGAIN we didnt build the pyramids. We built Pitom and Ramzis.
I was gonna state that as well, but I assumed everyone already knew this. The great pyramids where built LONG before Rhamses II, etc.
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Oh, ok...you win....LOL I was thinking that the children of Israel lived in Egypt prior to 1250BCE which Ramesses II (The Great) was King of Egypt from 1279-1213BCE but archeologists date Israel's conquest of Caanan between 1250-1000BCE with Judges somewhere around 1200-1050BCE. I assumed that the whole Pyramid building period would have been well before this... I assumed because the great pyramid of Giza: Khufu was built around 2560BCE and the Ancient Israelite Patriarchial period is guesstimated being around 2000-1700BCE that this theory may well have been possible. I guess not...hey I learned something new today... O0
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More often than not, "Conservatives" who constantly advocate for "free market capitalism" as being the system which built the greatest civilization in history (America), are merely living "in denial" of the fact that their "free market" forerunners refused to do any work which might have gotten their hands dirty!
Wow what the hell are you? a crypto-communist? You don't belong in this forum.
If you want to stand in line every day waiting for daily rations and not choose your own career please move to Cuba. You don't belong here.
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More often than not, "Conservatives" who constantly advocate for "free market capitalism" as being the system which built the greatest civilization in history (America), are merely living "in denial" of the fact that their "free market" forerunners refused to do any work which might have gotten their hands dirty!
Wow what the hell are you? a crypto-communist? You don't belong in this forum.
If you want to stand in line every day waiting for daily rations and not choose your own career please move to Cuba. You don't belong here.
Lower your tone FMJ!!
Massuh is one of the most respected members here.
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More often than not, "Conservatives" who constantly advocate for "free market capitalism" as being the system which built the greatest civilization in history (America), are merely living "in denial" of the fact that their "free market" forerunners refused to do any work which might have gotten their hands dirty!
Wow what the hell are you? a crypto-communist? You don't belong in this forum.
If you want to stand in line every day waiting for daily rations and not choose your own career please move to Cuba. You don't belong here.
Lower your tone FMJ!!
Massuh is one of the most respected members here.
Get out here with that lower your tone. If you're against free market Capitalism you shouldn't be on this site.
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More often than not, "Conservatives" who constantly advocate for "free market capitalism" as being the system which built the greatest civilization in history (America), are merely living "in denial" of the fact that their "free market" forerunners refused to do any work which might have gotten their hands dirty!
Wow what the hell are you? a crypto-communist? You don't belong in this forum.
If you want to stand in line every day waiting for daily rations and not choose your own career please move to Cuba. You don't belong here.
Lower your tone FMJ!!
Massuh is one of the most respected members here.
Get out here with that lower your tone. If you're against free market Capitalism you shouldn't be on this site.
Take care what you say and do not insult Massuh again!
You need to read his statement again.
He says that the "free market" is hijacked by communist monopolists, that are to lazy to make ther hands dirty.
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I think MassuhD wasn't speaking of the ideology of free market capitalism but those who were the pillars of it especially during the Industrial Revolution. I believe his comments were solely directed at the "upper crust" of British society that capitalized during this period largely off of slave labor and exploitation... my two cents...
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More often than not, "Conservatives" who constantly advocate for "free market capitalism" as being the system which built the greatest civilization in history (America), are merely living "in denial" of the fact that their "free market" forerunners refused to do any work which might have gotten their hands dirty!
Wow what the hell are you? a crypto-communist? You don't belong in this forum.
If you want to stand in line every day waiting for daily rations and not choose your own career please move to Cuba. You don't belong here.
Lower your tone FMJ!!
Massuh is one of the most respected members here.
Get out here with that lower your tone. If you're against free market Capitalism you shouldn't be on this site.
Consider yourself warned. As I recall, you first came to this forum as 1986 with an Anti-Torah agenda. This site doesn't support such an agenda. People with such an agenda don't belong on this site themselves.
Anti Torah agenda? Stop lying please. I'm not against the Torah or Jews. If I did I wouldn't be on this site. My former username is in my signature. I have nothing to hide.
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Simple mistake FMJ. Let's all move on... ;)
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More often than not, "Conservatives" who constantly advocate for "free market capitalism" as being the system which built the greatest civilization in history (America), are merely living "in denial" of the fact that their "free market" forerunners refused to do any work which might have gotten their hands dirty!
Wow what the hell are you? a crypto-communist? You don't belong in this forum.
If you want to stand in line every day waiting for daily rations and not choose your own career please move to Cuba. You don't belong here.
Lower your tone FMJ!!
Massuh is one of the most respected members here.
Get out here with that lower your tone. If you're against free market Capitalism you shouldn't be on this site.
Consider yourself warned. As I recall, you first came to this forum as 1986 with an Anti-Torah agenda. This site doesn't support such an agenda. People with such an agenda don't belong on this site themselves.
Anti Torah agenda? Stop lying please. I'm not against the Torah or Jews. If I did I wouldn't be on this site. My former username is in my signature. I have nothing to hide.
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=16467.msg181983#msg181983
Remember this? Even Chaim was against you from the very beginning.
Read all my posts in that thread. Not just the first one. There was a proper discussion there.
Simple mistake FMJ. Let's all move on... ;)
ok
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I agree with the majority of what Chaim states but the Nile was never a part of the land of Israel. If anything, when the Torah specifies the River Egypt most biblical scholars conclude the Eastern border to be to the Mediterranean, South to what is today Waddi-Al Arish or perhaps the, a stretch, the Suez Canal but not the Nile River. Personally, I’d have been happy to see Israel annex all the lands of ’67 and to have expelled the Muslim savages. That would have made HaShem very proud I should think…
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Islam is a cancer which, like communism, should be vanquished. The Pyramids, although built by the Jews, should be kept, not only for historical context....but to show the world the ancient resourcefulness and building efficiency of the Jews. Pyramids then and Israel 2000 years later. Now, I will back the idea of taking a few D-9 dozers and taking out EVERY Mosque and holy shrine within the borders of Eretz Yisrael... O0
AGAIN we didnt build the pyramids. We built Pitom and Rameses.
I was gonna state that as well, but I assumed everyone already knew this. The great pyramids where built LONG before Rameses II, etc.
Rameses is not The Pharaoh of The Exodus. The Exodus had to have have happened at least before 1400 B.C.E. to allow for there to be 480 years between The Exodus and the building of The First Temple.
We built the city of Rameses. This is not to be confused with Rameses II. He was named after the city. It wasn't the other way around.
Ayy, this is not something I want to debate. There is so much controversy here.
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without really saying "bomb the pyramids"
lets check some facts
q:what would happen if israel would bomb the pyramids in yom kippur war or 6 days war:
a: Egypt would have lost alot of funds which flows in to their government treasure (which spends 73% of its income to buy weapons) on yearly basis .
q: what could be considered negative for taking such action ?
a: well firstly , you should focus on destroying the enemy , rather then its unmanned buildings . which we did
secondly , if we would have destroyed archaeological sites in Egypt and Sinai ,in retro perspective look - a lot of archaeological proofs of the tanakh , which have been found , would probably be destroyed
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About who build the pyramids . many of them were built through different ages, the original designer is imhotep (which feats perfectly to the story of yosef btw , as well , his worship by the Egyptians , though he was not a king (or so we think , some archaeologists believe king yusfis (naar mar ) is actually yosef , and his successor menes , is menashe) was mainly done through image of a bull , which haza"l mentions as well - this particular Egyptian worship - is how they worship the tribe yosef)
there are infact , in papyrus harris ,names of slaves labored by Egypt , of whom , some very hebraic names , like shifra , and menahem (!!)
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I agree with the majority of what Chaim states but the Nile was never a part of the land of Israel. If anything, when the Torah specifies the River Egypt most biblical scholars conclude the Eastern border to be to the Mediterranean, South to what is today Waddi-Al Arish or perhaps the, a stretch, the Suez Canal but not the Nile River. Personally, I’d have been happy to see Israel annex all the lands of ’67 and to have expelled the Muslim savages. That would have made HaShem very proud I should think…
Conquering more land would fall under the category of Milhemet Rishut, a permissable war (not an obligatory war), as such I don't think it is necessary
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Very interesting is when I was touring Egypt back in 2002 we were discussing the historical relations to the Israelite and Egypt. The end being that the Egyptologists stated that, with comparison to the Bible, Moshe would have been raised by Hatshepsut in her palace near Luxor between 1479 and 1458BCE. It was a very interesting experience. Perhaps moreso to the relationship of Troy and the archeological site of Agamemnon. :)
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The pyramids are ok, I guess. Let them keep the pyramids to mind the current mooslim Egyptians that once their ancestors converted into islam, they wont be able to achieve anything like that again, as their NON mooslim ancestors did.
But the current Egyptians are not related to the ones who built The Pyramids. The current ones are Arabs. Only The Copts are related to The Ancient Egyptians.
Hmm, I was under the impression that the original Egyptians either remained exclusively Egyptian by continuing their Coptic religion, and the rest converted to islam and eventually intermarried with the invading arabs.
We studied it in my "Merchant Capital of islam" class. I still have the book, and yes there were ethnic arabs who lives in those countries, since their arab status gave them the right to be given land, but that also the egyptian converts also married into arab blood.
Do you mean to say that 0% of the modern day Egyptian mooslims are actually Egyptian and that 100% of the Coptic minority are the only real Egyptians? Don't you think that the arabs who conquered Egypt intermarried with the converts there? Or did the arabs conquerors only married other arab conquerors and no mooslim convert? Then what happened to the Egyptian converts, where did they go if you believe that modern day egyptians are not egyptian at all?
Oh goodness, I am SOOO confused now! :'(
Then again, my class could have been biased.
Just to throw a monkey wrench into all of this. Most Egyptions have very little TRUE ARAB in them. The Arabs conquered Egypt in 641 A.D. and the indigenous population (which was the majority) started to be called Copts or Coptics.
HOWEVER, the Egyptions or Copts who converted or were forced to convert to Islam began to CALL themselves Arabs. (Even though many were still genetically Egyptian)
Again, I use the analogy of Hispanics. Very few Latin Americans only follow the indiginous cultures, and nearly all have adopted the Spanish culture and language, and now refer to themselves as Hispanic (Even the they are racially mestizos or even Amerindians)
Brian
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Yes Brian, I do agree with that. I mean Copts are the minority and mooslims the majority. Therefore, if the Copts are the only real Egyptians, then something would be missing from the equation.
Egypt:
Arab invaders who settled in Egypt. ----->The minority population
Indigenous Egyptians converted to islam -----> The Majority
Indigenous Egyptians Christian Coptics -----> Became the minority
To say that modern day Egyptian mooslims are only arab and not actually Egyptian makes me wonder what happened to the Egyptians who converted to islam? I mean there were not so many arabs as there were converts to islam so that is a lot of people who would disappear all of the sudden.
So, the minority arabs population who settled in Egypt married into the converted Egyptians and as Brian says, the majority of convertees just accepted and adopted arab culture.
But I do believe them to be the descendants of the ancient Egyptians who just adopted arab culture. And look at Egypt now!
BTW, even White Hispanics (not of mestizo origin) adopted to Spanish culture and some amerindians don't even know Spanish and live in their indigenous lifestyles. What an interesting world we live in! ;)
Yes, thats pretty much what I was thinking but was too lazy to type :)
And yes, I tutored English to a lady who's friend could only speak the Indigineous language of the Aztecs (its starts with a Quetz.. something or other)
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Thanks. I tried adding a diagram somehow but settled for "----->" lol.
I don't know what that language would be called, but almost anything I hear that is related to Aztec culture starts with a "Quetz" and ends with a "tl"
I also heard that some native amerindians also speak something called "Nagualt" but I don't know what indigenous tribe this language is affiliated with.
Very interesting!
Very interesting, I'm trying to find the "Nagualt" language that they speak.
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Yes Brian, I do agree with that. I mean Copts are the minority and mooslims the majority. Therefore, if the Copts are the only real Egyptians, then something would be missing from the equation.
Egypt:
Arab invaders who settled in Egypt. ----->The minority population
Indigenous Egyptians converted to islam -----> The Majority
Indigenous Egyptians Christian Coptics -----> Became the minority
To say that modern day Egyptian mooslims are only arab and not actually Egyptian makes me wonder what happened to the Egyptians who converted to islam? I mean there were not so many arabs as there were converts to islam so that is a lot of people who would disappear all of the sudden.
So, the minority arabs population who settled in Egypt married into the converted Egyptians and as Brian says, the majority of convertees just accepted and adopted arab culture.
But I do believe them to be the descendants of the ancient Egyptians who just adopted arab culture. And look at Egypt now!
BTW, even White Hispanics (not of mestizo origin) adopted to Spanish culture and some amerindians don't even know Spanish and live in their indigenous lifestyles. What an interesting world we live in! ;)
I think The Aztecs might be descended from Ancient Egyptians. That could be where they got pyramids and papyrus from. The Aztecs in Mesoamerica built pyramids and wrote on papyrus. But my Colonial Latin America teacher said she doesn't believe there is evidence to support what I said.
This theory can be true. I read some Erich Van Daniken books, and they all said he was crazy.
But it is a good hypothesis
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Yes Brian, I do agree with that. I mean Copts are the minority and mooslims the majority. Therefore, if the Copts are the only real Egyptians, then something would be missing from the equation.
Egypt:
Arab invaders who settled in Egypt. ----->The minority population
Indigenous Egyptians converted to islam -----> The Majority
Indigenous Egyptians Christian Coptics -----> Became the minority
To say that modern day Egyptian mooslims are only arab and not actually Egyptian makes me wonder what happened to the Egyptians who converted to islam? I mean there were not so many arabs as there were converts to islam so that is a lot of people who would disappear all of the sudden.
So, the minority arabs population who settled in Egypt married into the converted Egyptians and as Brian says, the majority of convertees just accepted and adopted arab culture.
But I do believe them to be the descendants of the ancient Egyptians who just adopted arab culture. And look at Egypt now!
BTW, even White Hispanics (not of mestizo origin) adopted to Spanish culture and some amerindians don't even know Spanish and live in their indigenous lifestyles. What an interesting world we live in! ;)
I think The Aztecs might be descended from Ancient Egyptians. That could be where they got pyramids and papyrus from. The Aztecs in Mesoamerica built pyramids and wrote on papyrus. But my Colonial Latin America teacher said she doesn't believe there is evidence to support what I said.
There is NO QUESTION, that the Aztecs got their knowledge from elsewhere, but their race is NOT Egyptian. They are almost entirely traced back to a few dozen people who crossed over from Siberia.
That Aztec civilization came about around the 12th century. But they had been in and around MezoAmerica for 10,000 years.
So what are the chances that a people that had been in the area for 10,000 years only became civilized 300 years before the colonists came. They obviously got their technology and their use of language elsewhere.
Many archeoligsts beleive that the American continent got their knowledge from the Romans!!! don't beleive me??? check out this...
http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/romanbust.htm (Keep in mind that Amerindians do NOT have facial hair)
Brian
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oh, and btw. The original NATIVE Americans were NOT the same race as the Amerindians. They have done genetic testing and anthromorphology of early two skulls and found NO genetic resemblance of the earliest skulls to todays Amerindians.
The oldest skull is said to be closest to modern day Japanese. and other skulls appear to be closer to South and SE Asians.
HOWEVER one skull, Known as Kenwick man which is the second to oldest skull http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man is said to be closest to Caucasion, (although some anthropologists dispute it also has some mongoloid features).
These people are ALL collectively known as.... PRE-Siberian American Aboriginals and THEY are the TRUE native Americans.
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Re: "...So what are the chances that a people that had been in the area for 10,000 years only became civilized 300 years before the colonists came. They obviously got their technology and their use of language elsewhere..."
The chances are every bit as good as the chances that thirteen small agricultural settlements existing as colonies for the King of England, could successfully revolt against the world's mightiest economic and military power, and in less than 200 years achieve preeminence as the world's mightiest and wealthiest superpower.
I find most of these threads contesting "who was first" or "they couldn't have done it alone" to be "junk science", as well as "projecting one's own historical world view" into a tidy and neat conclusion based on contradictory and seemingly unrelated bits and scraps from the archaeological record.
In a very real sense, such views echo those of the "Afrocentrists", when they insist that "the Greeks couldn't have developed philosophy and arts...they stole all the pre-existent knowledge from the "Kings and Queens of an advanced Africa".
For example, a skull is dug up (usually accidentally) somewhere on the American continent which most resembles a Japanese physiology. "Aha!"..."Why this 'proves' that the "Indians" were not indigenous to America!"...
Not necessarily so!...Such a "kneejerk reaction" eliminates each and every other possibility imaginable or possible as to why such a skull appeared on the other side of the world. Perhaps long lost racial or ethnic civilizations which left no available evidence for us (or perhaps we just haven't yet dug it up) sailed the seas of the world, captured Asians as slaves, or perhaps brought a Japanese cook back home with them on their ships....Or perhaps a gigantic global volcanic or tsunamic cataclysm may have occurred, the aftermath of which was depositing just one "out of place" skull dug up by those excavating miners thousands of years later.
The world in which we live constantly yields more and more evidence which scientists have a difficult time explaining in terms of a steady time line.
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Re: "...So what are the chances that a people that had been in the area for 10,000 years only became civilized 300 years before the colonists came. They obviously got their technology and their use of language elsewhere..."
The chances are every bit as good as the chances that thirteen small agricultural settlements existing as colonies for the King of England, could successfully revolt against the world's mightiest economic and military power, and in less than 200 years achieve preeminence as the world's mightiest and wealthiest superpower.
I find most of these threads contesting "who was first" or "they couldn't have done it alone" to be "junk science", as well as "projecting one's own historical world view" into a tidy and neat conclusion based on contradictory and seemingly unrelated bits and scraps from the archaeological record.
In a very real sense, such views echo those of the "Afrocentrists", when they insist that "the Greeks couldn't have developed philosophy and arts...they stole all the pre-existent knowledge from the "Kings and Queens of an advanced Africa".
For example, a skull is dug up (usually accidentally) somewhere on the American continent which most resembles a Japanese physiology. "Aha!"..."Why this 'proves' that the "Indians" were not indigenous to America!"...
Not necessarily so!...Such a "kneejerk reaction" eliminates each and every other possibility imaginable or possible as to why such a skull appeared on the other side of the world. Perhaps long lost racial or ethnic civilizations which left no available evidence for us (or perhaps we just haven't yet dug it up) sailed the seas of the world, captured Asians as slaves, or perhaps brought a Japanese cook back home with them on their ships....Or perhaps a gigantic global volcanic or tsunamic cataclysm may have occurred, the aftermath of which was depositing just one "out of place" skull dug up by those excavating miners thousands of years later.
The world in which we live constantly yields more and more evidence which scientists have a difficult time explaining in terms of a steady time line.
Your wrong. EVERY anthropologist agrees that the Siberians were NOT the original Americans. this is NOT controversial. There is controversy in who has rights to the skulls... but EVERY single early ancient skull supports no link to siberians.
The controversy is WHERE they came from, not whether or not they were Siberians (that riddle is already solved)
Fake wanna-be anthropologists can say whatever they want. Iranians beleive that Muslims conquered the America. No one takes them seriously. And just because you have nutjobs pushing 'revisionism' doesnt mean you dismiss what legitamate anthropologists all agree on.
BTW, I have never pushed alternate history that promotes my own nationality.
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Why did Israel give the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt? :( >:(
I cant believe it!!!! >:(
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Much more practical is to destroy the Aswan Damn.
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the Bible says that the earth was a super continent before Noah`s flood ,would this not shed much light on pyramids in egypt and mexico ie a common knowledge.
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I am against destroying the pyramids.
There are also pyramids in Bosnia.
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Why did Israel give the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt? :( >:(
I cant believe it!!!! >:(
From what I read Begin was under immense pressure by Jimmy Carter and his elitists in America and Britian combined with the entire Communist-Turd World-Islamic Block not to mention the OPEC Oil Crisis. Begin should have not caved in but annex all the liberated lands especially the Sinai which would have supplied enough oil for Israel. ;)
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Again I state, Israel should have destroyed the Pyramids
Also, did Yasir Arafat even know who Kahane was ???
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Some people claim that Extraterrestrials, Space Aliens helped build the Pyramids
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http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/
(http://cworld.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/bosnianpyramidofsun.jpg)
(http://photos.igougo.com/images/p297683-Bosnia_and_Herzegovina-Bosnian_pyramid.jpg)
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The people inhabiting modern day Egypt are not the same as the Egyptians of the time of the Pharaohs.
They are largely Berbers today.
Aren't they Arabs mixed with blacks today? Chaim said they are mixed with blacks while the ancient Egyptians were white Hamitic descendants of Mitzrayim.
The Coptic Christians are the only remnant of the original Egyptians.
That is not true at all actually. Anyone who has been at the Met can tell you that if they looked at anything to do with ancient Egyptians which is hard to miss since it is all over the place. Egyptions were a goldish and sometimes even black or almost as dark.
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The people inhabiting modern day Egypt are not the same as the Egyptians of the time of the Pharaohs.
They are largely Berbers today.
Aren't they Arabs mixed with blacks today? Chaim said they are mixed with blacks while the ancient Egyptians were white Hamitic descendants of Mitzrayim.
The Coptic Christians are the only remnant of the original Egyptians.
That is not true at all actually. Anyone who has been at the Met can tell you that if they looked at anything to do with ancient Egyptians which is hard to miss since it is all over the place. Egyptions were a goldish and sometimes even black or almost as dark.
I've heard many rumors as well that Egyptians were white. Look at northern Africa, some of them look white or Spanish.
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Why did Israel give the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt? :( >:(
I cant believe it!!!! >:(
Well if you go by Einstein detention of insanity we are insane.
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Why did Israel give the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt? :( >:(
I cant believe it!!!! >:(
From what I read Begin was under immense pressure by Jimmy Carter and his elitists in America and Britian combined with the entire Communist-Turd World-Islamic Block not to mention the OPEC Oil Crisis. Begin should have not caved in but annex all the liberated lands especially the Sinai which would have supplied enough oil for Israel. ;)
They say that he really regretted it later and wished he hadnt.
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Again I state, Israel should have destroyed the Pyramids
Also, did Yasir Arafat even know who Kahane was ???
Of course Arafat knew who Rabbi Kahane was. Rabbi Kahane was the antithesis of Arafat. It is such a shame that the Commies and the Euro-anti-Jew trash gave the PLO and that homosexual Arab legitimacy. If Kahane would have been head of Israel, there would have been no Arafat.... ;)
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Again I state, Israel should have destroyed the Pyramids
Also, did Yasir Arafat even know who Kahane was ???
All the Arabs knew who Rav Kahane zt''l. They were all terrified Rav Kahane zt''l would get in from what I've been told.
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Very true. Shortly after he gave back the Sinai he sunk into immense depression and lived out the remainder of his life as a recluse. I beleive the death of his wife was around this time as well. I do know from Yitzak Shamir's biography that he was the one that advised Begin NOT to meet with Rabbi Kahane as Begin needed a few more MK's to make a solid majority. Begin told Shamir to meet with Kahane and report what he thought. Of course, Rabbi Kahane being a Torah Jew was seen by Shamir as an "extremist" because he wanted to expel the Islamic garbage from Eretz as well annex all the remaining lands... :'(
(http://www.ou.org/chagim/yomhaatzmauth/Summing.jpg)
He was another limp leader in my opinion.
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The people inhabiting modern day Egypt are not the same as the Egyptians of the time of the Pharaohs.
They are largely Berbers today.
Aren't they Arabs mixed with blacks today? Chaim said they are mixed with blacks while the ancient Egyptians were white Hamitic descendants of Mitzrayim.
The Coptic Christians are the only remnant of the original Egyptians.
That is not true at all actually. Anyone who has been at the Met can tell you that if they looked at anything to do with ancient Egyptians which is hard to miss since it is all over the place. Egyptions were a goldish and sometimes even black or almost as dark.
I've heard many rumors as well that Egyptians were white. Look at northern Africa, some of them look white or Spanish.
But those are rumors... if you go to the Met you can see their own works of them selves. They had lighter colors so why would they make them selves so dark? they had very many colors and they used different skin tones on some people then they did on others, so why do so if that wasnt their skin color or at least very close to it?
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http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/
(http://cworld.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/bosnianpyramidofsun.jpg)
(http://photos.igougo.com/images/p297683-Bosnia_and_Herzegovina-Bosnian_pyramid.jpg)
It's been confirmed a hoax.
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http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/
(http://cworld.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/bosnianpyramidofsun.jpg)
(http://photos.igougo.com/images/p297683-Bosnia_and_Herzegovina-Bosnian_pyramid.jpg)
It's been confirmed a hoax.
Source?
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http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/
(http://cworld.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/bosnianpyramidofsun.jpg)
(http://photos.igougo.com/images/p297683-Bosnia_and_Herzegovina-Bosnian_pyramid.jpg)
It's been confirmed a hoax.
Source?
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba92/feat3.shtml
Also, here is a statement from archaeologists across Europe condeming this hoax.
"This scheme is a cruel hoax on an unsuspecting public and has no place in the world of genuine science."
http://www.e-a-a.org/statement.pdf
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The people inhabiting modern day Egypt are not the same as the Egyptians of the time of the Pharaohs.
They are largely Berbers today.
Aren't they Arabs mixed with blacks today? Chaim said they are mixed with blacks while the ancient Egyptians were white Hamitic descendants of Mitzrayim.
The Coptic Christians are the only remnant of the original Egyptians.
That is not true at all actually. Anyone who has been at the Met can tell you that if they looked at anything to do with ancient Egyptians which is hard to miss since it is all over the place. Egyptions were a goldish and sometimes even black or almost as dark.
That's because they were tan. The male Egyptians were portrayed darker in Egyptian art and the females were also portrayed lighter. It has nothing to do with race.
well i cant swear to this because i havent been to the Met in a year and a half but i am pretty sure that both men and women both had dark and light shades. I normally notice constancies in things like that...
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Personally I think Mecca would be a better spot to "Glow"
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The people inhabiting modern day Egypt are not the same as the Egyptians of the time of the Pharaohs.
They are largely Berbers today.
Aren't they Arabs mixed with blacks today? Chaim said they are mixed with blacks while the ancient Egyptians were white Hamitic descendants of Mitzrayim.
The Coptic Christians are the only remnant of the original Egyptians.
That is not true at all actually. Anyone who has been at the Met can tell you that if they looked at anything to do with ancient Egyptians which is hard to miss since it is all over the place. Egyptions were a goldish and sometimes even black or almost as dark.
That's because they were tan. The male Egyptians were portrayed darker in Egyptian art and the females were also portrayed lighter. It has nothing to do with race.
well i cant swear to this because i haven't been to the Met in a year and a half but i am pretty sure that both men and women both had dark and light shades. I normally notice constancies in things like that...
Well I learned it in Art History class. Someone said a man and woman together looked like they were from different races but the teacher said the women were always portrayed lighter and the men darker.
Well i have been meaning to go back anyway since i love art so when i do i'll see and get back to you on that :)
When it comes to women and symbolization women are normally something light if not white and men are normally dark or black, so that would make sense. That is one thing i always found odd about the Yin Yang symbol, Yin is characterized as passive, dark, feminine, negative, while Yang is characterized as active, light, masculine, positive. Very much the contrary of the usual symbolism.
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In my opinion, Israel should have Destroyed the Pyramids in the 1973 War
You want to destroy a for and half thousand year old structure just to stop Egypt's tourism sector and some how thats going to make things more beneficial for Israel...
Hows that, im intrigued as to know how that would benefit Israel in any way
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After careful deliberation, I have determined the Pyramids should be razed. Commence immediately. O0
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Forget about the Pyramids. They should have bombed that ugly mosque.
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There is no point in doing it. Ok so you would cut off a bit of tourist funds. so what? we also would have lost evidents proving us right about history! If you think they should destroy something then they should destroy Kipat H'Zahav. And we can do that even now since they keep destroying Kever Yosef and Binyamin.
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If anything, Israel could have annexed Giza after the 6 Day War and the Israeli Tour Industry could have advertized to the World: "Visit Israel and See the Pyramids" O0
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If anything, Israel could have annexed Giza after the 6 Day War and the Israeli Tour Industry could have advertized to the World: "Visit Israel and See the Pyramids" O0
lol that would have worked too ;D
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If anything, Israel could have annexed Giza after the 6 Day War and the Israeli Tour Industry could have advertised to the World: "Visit Israel and See the Pyramids" O0
Yea that would be nice O0
And the oil in Sinai Peninsula would have been in Israel now O0
Ill say it again, Sinai Peninsula is our land! Its Israel and not Egypt! >:(
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Mills you forgot that Egiptian Copts had a single wife and lived as second class citisens, A-rab muslimes had four wifes, many concubines, sex slaves and were priviliged by goverment, they were goverment, so they were able to outbreed locals in few generations. Aside from facts it's great propagand weapon for Israel and JTF: our enemies are claiming that "zionists are ocupiyng Fakestine" WE SHOUD MAKE MOVIE ABOUT ARABS OCUPING EGYPT AND OTHER ME COUNTRIES.
And don't destroy piramids, destroy Al Aqsa and Kabah; well you can neutron bomb Mecca it's cafir free zone, so there'll be no colateral damages. O0
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Mills you forgot that Egiptian Copts had a single wife and lived as second class citisens, A-rab muslimes had four wifes, many concubines, sex slaves and were priviliged by goverment, they were goverment, so they were able to outbreed locals in few generations. Aside from facts it's great propagand weapon for Israel and JTF: our enemies are claiming that "zionists are ocupiyng Fakestine" WE SHOUD MAKE MOVIE ABOUT ARABS OCUPING EGYPT AND OTHER ME COUNTRIES.
And don't destroy piramids, destroy Al Aqsa and Kabah; well you can neutron bomb Mecca it's cafir free zone, so there'll be no colateral damages. O0
I know. I have some Egyptian Copts in one side of my family. And other Middle Eastern Christian friends who got treated A LOT worse than second class citizens. One Catholic Jordanian friend who's father worked in saudi arabia has SCARS that the mooslims there gave him at school.
Absolutely DEPLORABLE treatment!
Exactly and we must use this to counter the Arab-nazi-leftist-dhimi-replecement propagand about "fakestinian native nation opressed by western colonial imperialist zionists". I use the phrase Arab ocupied Egypt and Syria on other forums and in ZOO tube; the poor opressed arab coranimals are foaming from their mouths... :::D O0
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Pyramids were not built my muzzies, Egyptians weren't muzzies until a-rats conquered them and converted them to Islam so pyramids are not part of a-rat culture they are Ancient Egyptian who don't exist now, those people are extinct, pretty much like Europeans are going to be extinct in 100 years.