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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ari on March 19, 2008, 01:08:33 PM
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or should we be somewhat more forgiving and say we just hate their behavior? I admit I am guilty of hating some people with a passion. I despise them with every fiber of my being. O0
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Guilty also ;)
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I think it depends on your theological background.
I wish I could stop hating people and just hate their behavior but sometimes that's very difficult.
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depends who you hate and why you hate.
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depends who you hate and why you hate.
O0
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I would have to say that I do hate some people but I don't think it is a sin. I Believe that you can hate people but not for who they are. If you hate someone because they worship an evil Religion or person then I think it is okay. For Expample I hate Muslim in Iraq but when I was in Israel on of the Rabbis who I spent Shabbat with had an Iraqi wife. She was Jewish and couldn't have been nicer.
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It's not a sin to hate evil people and the suffering they cause. Hate is a human emotion. If you don't hate them, then what will motivate you to do anything about them, besides commiserating with their victims?
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It's not a sin to hate evil people and the suffering they cause. Hate is a human emotion. If you don't hate them, then what will motivate you to do anything about them, besides commiserating with their victims?
How do you know this person is evil?
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How do you know this person is evil?
I'm just writing in general terms, since I have no idea who Ari hates or why.
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By the actions that they do
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Anybody who says they don't hate is lying.
Would you say.. its ok to hate nazis?
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Let's face it, many experts claim that the "emotion" of "hate" is an unhealthy one... And yes, they're probably correct in that hypothesis... However, there are people in this world who are so gosh darn vile and lewd that you simply can't help from hating them... Sure, it's most likely not good for our "health", our bodies don't benefit whatsoever from the "chemical reactions" that stir up inside us while we're "hating" someone, but heck, sometimes we just can't help ourselves... That said, I wish we lived in a "perfect world" where there would be no need to "hate" anyone or anybody, that would be such a pleasure, but unfortunately that definitely is NOT the case in THIS world, nor will it probably EVER be... There will ALWAYS be need to HATE the people who are far too evil to forgive or forget about....
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No, I don't think it is a sin to hate those who are evil, who want to murder, who rape, islamic terrorists that do both and want to destroy everyone and everything in their path.
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If you DON'T hate evil people , you are morally vaccuous (at best) or evil yourself.
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Hate is a sin. Acknowledging that they are your enemy, and acting on that is not a sin
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depends who you hate and why you hate.
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If you hate murderers and rapists and child molesters and nazis and people who defend nazis, then you're on the right side.
If you hate flowers, bunnies, children, righteous people, the elderly, then you're probably on the wrong side.
If you hate all blacks or all whites because of the color or lack of color of their skin or the shape of their eyes or the length of their hair, you are misguided and need some help.
If you hate all million people of a certain nation and it happens to be that this country is at war with yours, be prepared to love them at the time of real peace...
If you hate Islam, you are doing the right thing. If you do not trust Muslims, you are doing the right thing.
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Let's face it, many experts claim that the "emotion" of "hate" is an unhealthy one... And yes, they're probably correct in that hypothesis... However, there are people in this world who are so gosh darn vile and lewd that you simply can't help from hating them... Sure, it's most likely not good for our "health", our bodies don't benefit whatsoever from the "chemical reactions" that stir up inside us while we're "hating" someone, but heck, sometimes we just can't help ourselves... That said, I wish we lived in a "perfect world" where there would be no need to "hate" anyone or anybody, that would be such a pleasure, but unfortunately that definitely is NOT the case in THIS world, nor will it probably EVER be... There will ALWAYS be need to HATE the people who are far too evil to forgive or forget about....
you're supposed to hate very bad things...things that stand alone with no quality is not such a good idea just hate.
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You arent really aloud to hate a Jew, if he is a sinner you have to hate his sins, not himself.
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You arent really aloud to hate a Jew, if he is a sinner you have to hate his sins, not himself.
In the cases of Shapiro, Chompsky, Schumer etc you can hate THEM.
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You arent really aloud to hate a Jew, if he is a sinner you have to hate his sins, not himself.
In the cases of Shapiro, Chompsky, Schumer etc you can hate THEM.
No you can't.
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Re: "...He shall rain upon the wicked charcoal, fire, and brimstone, and a burning wind is the portion of their cup..."
Sounds to me like G-d is having a backyard Bar-B-Que!
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So you see, even G-d hates evil people. The Hebrew word used in verse 5 is actually "sonah", which IS the word for hate. It's not a problem to hate, as long as you're hating the correct people. Ideologies that preach loving of everyone no matter what are not practical and don't reflect G-d's will
You're right.
The idea of loving an evil person but only hating what they do is a crock.................sounds like something a christian would say.
A person is defined by what they do and how they live. Ted Bundy was a despicable murderer and rapist. There wasn't some 'lovable' portion of him trapped in a cave elsewhere. He was defined by his life and his deeds. He should have been hated, not loved!
Secondly, love is for those who are lovable. To love EVERYBODY (killers, traitors, leftists, muSSlims included) cheapens and devalues the love you have for family and good people.
To love everybody is to love NOBODY.
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One question is how do you define on who is evil? Maybe most of us fit in the category of evil sometimes by the actions we do.
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One question is how do you define on who is evil? Maybe most of us fit in the category of evil sometimes by the actions we do.
well, nobody is perfect...
however, there is supplication...and when one is sorry for his/her evil deeds and means it, then it's a little bit better.
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It's like asking is it a sin to use a knife? The question is wrong. The question should be "HOW should we use a knife".
The question should not be is hate good or bad, but "what is hate good for"?
And it is good for certain things and bad for others. The Torah tells us how to use it.
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It's like asking is it a sin to use a knife? The question is wrong. The question should be "HOW should we use a knife".
The question should not be is hate good or bad, but "what is hate good for"?
And it is good for certain things and bad for others. The Torah tells us how to use it.
can you tell us about it Lubab?
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There is nothing wrong with hating someone but it has to be for a good reason like they are Muslim
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If you hate someone, he/she controls you.
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It's like asking is it a sin to use a knife? The question is wrong. The question should be "HOW should we use a knife".
The question should not be is hate good or bad, but "what is hate good for"?
And it is good for certain things and bad for others. The Torah tells us how to use it.
can you tell us about it Lubab?
Hate is a tool. It can be used to fulfill a mitzvah (like hating evil can keep you from sin, wiping out Amalek). But you must control the hate. The hate shouldn't control you.
Then you'll know how to use the hate in the proper proportions when you see it as a tool this way.
Hate is like fire. Can be dangerous in the wrong hands.
Generally we are supposed to hate the evil within the person, not the person himself.
But by heretics the Torah actually says to hate the, with a consummate hatred as King David writes in Psalms "I hate them with a consumate hatred".