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General Category => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: JelenaSrb on March 24, 2008, 11:53:31 AM
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Shalom!
Помаже Бог!
I discovered this forum after I watched videos on YouTube like many people here! I also make videos on YouTube but not related to politics! Anyway, I am glad that you support us ( Serbs) when it comes to our Holy Land! :) Although you do that because of your interests ( you also have problems with Muslims), you help us a lot and because of that we are very grateful to you. Thank you!
However, I do not understand why you dislike Barack Obama so much! I definitely like him more than Mrs. Clinton. If she wins, God forbid, that will be even worse for Serbia! I think she is not better than her husband. I have a feeling that she is very bad person and hypocrite. If I am wrong, feel free to correct me!
All the best! Greetings from Serbia!
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Bog ti pomagao!
I am glad to be the first one who will welcome you to this forum! O0
I think that Barack is a much better alternative than the devil Hillary Clinton!
Because she will raise up the ideas coming from the Clinton administration.
And we all know that Bill Clinton was extremly anti Serbian!
Under his leadership we lost Krajina and Kosovo and our lands were bombed!
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Welcome aboard
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Thank you for a warm welcome!
I don't know if I should speak Serbian or English with Serbs on this forum! I think it is more natural to speak Serbian with Serbs! I will respect rules if only English and Hebrew are allowed! By the way, I like Hebrew...and your song for Eurovision is great! :)
Why are they against Obama ? I really don't understand!
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welcome to the forum, I think Obama would be worse for the Serbs as while the Clinton's in the past were very viciously anti-Serb they are also oppurtunists who will go whichever way the wind blows. Obama is a Muslim who will naturally do everything in his power to support his muslims brothers in their Jihad's.
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Welcome to the forum Jelena!!! you can write on Serbian in the Personal Messages, but for the respect of our brothers Jews, we should write on English on the forum...or, if you want, you can write on Serbian, but then translate on English right away... :) Welcome again! :)
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Well..I didn't know he was a Muslim! Are you sure? I think it is wrong to hate anyone ( including Muslims) they are human beings as well! I am sure that there are good Muslims as there are good people in all nations! Some Muslims did terrible things ...but so did some Jews, Americans, Croatians, Serbs...there are bad people in every nation but I don't like when people are judged by their ethnic background, color etc etc. Every human being is unique and so precious to God! You are completely wrong if you think that God HATES Muslims or any human being! Am I suppose to hate Jews because they crucified my Lord who I adore? NO! And I don't hate! Especially because dear Most-Holy Theotokos and Apostles were Jews! :)
It is unfair to make such generalizations!
I am angry on those Muslims who destroyed Orthodox Churches and monasteries but it doesn't mean I hate ALL Muslims and want them dead! God will judge all of us! I just want to point out that I do not approve of crimes, murders, all possible sins that humans do...but we should hate the sin not the sinners! I actually feel sorry for them! We should pray for our enemies!
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Jelena, Muslims are people who have accepted a ideology called Islam, we are not saying all Arabs are evil, but all Muslims like all Nazis are evil because they have taken a series of beliefs upon themselves which demand they war against me and you unless we accept Islam or Islamic domination.
Also, I truly with all my heart and soul do not care if you or anyone else wants to hate Jews for crucfying Yeshu, he was nothing to us and its not an insult to say we killed Yeshu ::)
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Hi Jelena, welcome!
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Welcome Jelena.
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If they accepted that ideology, it was their choice! I'm just saying that it is not good and normal for a human being to hate! It is difficult sometimes but God helps! Glory to Him!
He is not Yeshu , He is Lord Christ(os) for most people on this earth! Show some respect! You should be proud of Him! :)
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People, we're going to have to agree to disagree on theology here. So topics like who really killed Jesus are not for here.
Anyway, welcome again Jelenasrb. Chaim is passionate about defending the Serbs. It really comes across in his videos.
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I just don't see any reason to hate all Muslims just for being Muslims! That's all! Have a nice day! :)
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If they accepted that ideology, it was their choice! I'm just saying that it is not good and normal for a human being to hate! It is difficult sometimes but G-d helps! Glory to Him!
He is not Yeshu , He is Lord Christ(os) for most people on this earth! Show some respect! You should be proud of Him! :)
Do not tell me to have respect for that Kopher whose followers have murdered more Jews then the Muslims ever did. It is only at Chaim's request that I do not say worse about the dead one.
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Real Christians ( Orthodox) are not murderers! What does Kopher mean?
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Only becouse they didn't had the brains and right technology to do this Kachane Loyalist they always had the will; the great mufti woed to build the KC lager in Nablus outfitted with latest gass chambers if his friend shitler G-d forbid win the war. Plus they always needed Jewish and Christian milk cow dhimis to support their retarted societies. That's the secret beyound myths of Al-Andalus, muslim tolerance and "golden age".
Welcome on our side Yelena; check out this sites to find out why we here Jews, Christians, Hindus etc.. opose iSSlam:
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/index.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
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Do not tell me to have respect for that Kopher whose followers have murdered more Jews then the Muslims ever did.
There are many communities who say that they are the true followers of Jesus Christ.
That does not mean that they are automatically the real resentatives of Christ.
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Kahaneloyalist, you should have learned so far that the only true form of CHristianity is Eastern ORTHODOX Christianity! Orthodox CHurch is the One Holy Catholic ( Universal) Apostolic Church and it is established at 33 A.D at the Pentacost ! I know that to you it is all the same! But it is not! When you talk about true Christians they are 1) Orthodox 2) a very small percentage even among those who are baptized in Orthodox Church
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I just don't see any reason to hate all Muslims just for being Muslims! That's all! Have a nice day! :)
I may agree with you on this but this is not the place to discuss about it. You can make a thread on "Save Serbia" section and we'll talk but I doubt many would agree with you. I personally don't talk about it cause I'm somewhere in the middle. Anyway, welcome and enjoy you staying.
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hi!
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Now I am talking to Orthodox Christians here.....I cannot imagine any true Christian to hate anybody except satan and antichrist! Read what Saint Nikolai Velimirovich said about hating the enemies. I strongly recommend you read the book "Prayers by the Lake" .
I am aware that Islam is not a very peaceful religion and I personally don't like it at all! But when it comes to people who accepted that religion I cannot judge them for being what they are. It is extremely difficult to be Christian but Lord never said it would be easy! I'm not saying that we should forget that Muslims did terrible things to our people in Kosovo, destroyed Churches, medieval monasteries...But God knows everything, sees everything..and waits patiently! :)
After all, we cannot expect justice on earth! We never believed in earthly kingdom!
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Ii this was the truth G-d woud not gave the victory over invading muslime chordes at Tours, twice at Constantinopole , Malta, Lepanto, twice at Vienna to Christian armies or woud not gather the Jews from around all nations to live in Israel and defeat A-rabs several times. G-d comanded christians to give the second cheek or to suffer the indignities for G-d's name but not allow to be decapitated by moon worshiping sons of darkness.
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All I said is true! :)
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Real Christians ( Orthodox) are not murderers! What does Kopher mean?
'Kopher' means a Heretic. And I also believe that hate is mostly futile and a dangerous feeling, for only a truly righteous person is capable of hating only that which deserves hatred and love only what worth loving. We must never be guided by hate, but rather guide our hate toward what is hateful.
However, as our sages taught: "He who is kind to the cruel, ends up being cruel to the kind". People who embrace Islam, adopt by their free choice an evil, violent, cruel and genocidal ideology. So we do not respect it and we shall never submit to it.
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So Jews think that Lord Христос is a Heretic! Well..at least they do not think He is an ordinary Jew! :) He is so special..you have to admit that! :)
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".... for only a truly righteous person is capable of hating only that which deserves hatred and love only what worth loving. We must never be guided by hate, but rather guide our hate toward what is hateful."
Zelhar, with all due respect, I do not agree with you! So if someone hates me I will hate him and I will love only those who deserve to be loved! Kako zvuci starozavetno! :) That is human's logic but not God's. You see, the huge difference is that we rely on Christ's logic ...He is our Logos!
What logic is to hate people who believe in Allah ( who they consider to be God) just because it is evil as you say??! But they think it is right and I should reject them for believing in something they think it is right and true! Absolutely not! You say you respect their choice but you don't! Instead of talking about how wrong Islam is, you all attack people who are actually victims of false ideology! Sorry guys, I don't understand all this hate! It is understandable to be irritated or angry by what certain Muslims do and to dislike that ideology but hating them soooo much is definitely not justifiable.
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Now I am talking to Orthodox Christians here.....I cannot imagine any true Christian to hate anybody except satan and antichrist! Read what Saint Nikolai Velimirovich said about hating the enemies. I strongly recommend you read the book "Prayers by the Lake" .
I am aware that Islam is not a very peaceful religion and I personally don't like it at all! But when it comes to people who accepted that religion I cannot judge them for being what they are. It is extremely difficult to be Christian but Lord never said it would be easy! I'm not saying that we should forget that Muslims did terrible things to our people in Kosovo, destroyed Churches, medieval monasteries...But G-d knows everything, sees everything..and waits patiently! :)
After all, we cannot expect justice on earth! We never believed in earthly kingdom!
I think that this is a fair thought.
You have a realistic point of view.
Enclosed I will add some more:
From a diplomatically point of view we must not trust the Croats, Albanians and Bosnian Muslims. We must also not trust those who ordered and prepared them to participate in the extermination of the Orthodox communities at the Balkans.
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".... for only a truly righteous person is capable of hating only that which deserves hatred and love only what worth loving. We must never be guided by hate, but rather guide our hate toward what is hateful."
Zelhar, with all due respect, I do not agree with you! So if someone hates me I will hate him and I will love only those who deserve to be loved! Kako zvuci starozavetno! :) That is human's logic but not G-d's. You see, the huge difference is that we rely on Christ's logic ...He is our Logos!
What logic is to hate people who believe in Allah ( who they consider to be G-d) just because it is evil as you say??! But they think it is right and I should reject them for believing in something they think it is right and true! Absolutely not! You say you respect their choice but you don't! Instead of talking about how wrong Islam is, you all attack people who are actually victims of false ideology! Sorry guys, I don't understand all this hate! It is understandable to be irritated or angry by what certain Muslims do and to dislike that ideology but hating them soooo much is definitely not justifiable.
When a man chose to believe in a false ideology which commands him to subdue, murder, rape and pillage all non-believers, than that man chose to be evil. I don't think you know enough about the islam, your opinion seems too naive. So for clearance, substitute 'muslim' by 'nazi' in your statements to understand why they make little sense to me. I have no problem with false ideology (such as yours for example) as long as it is not the genocidal kind.
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Jelena is not naive.
She just does not want to chose for hate.
Of course we condemn murders, criminals and Nazis.
But to say that a whole group of people which follows a certain religion is equal with the Nazis is just to far. Even if the majority is allied with a false theory you should not attack the weak the children and the women. Because that is no solution. You can overpower them if you destroy their leaders and convince them that they are following a wrong way. By trying to kill them all you will give them more arguments to continue their blind fight against you and you will make martyrs of them.
You must know your enemies. And you must resist them.
But never join them, never accept their way of thinking and their inferior values!
Just like David did not throw the spear to Saul when Saul tried to kill him.
If David had thrown the spear back he would become just like Saul.
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Not all Muslims kill and rape! I am sure that they do not choose to be evil especially not those who are truly religious among Muslims! They see Jihad as spiritual fight! I am not talking about fanatics who perhaps interpret Kuran wrongly! That is also possible!
I also don't have problem with your false ideology and wrong interpretation of the Tanach! The same way I respect you as a human being and your choice to believe in your God and your "Messiah" !
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I also don't have problem with your false ideology and wrong interpretation of The Tanach! The same way I respect you as a human being and your choice to believe in your G-d and your "Messiah" !
Please Jelena,
Do not try to teach them to much.
They are free people to do what ever they want.
If they do not believe in Jesus that is something among them selves.
G-d is maybe using their position and the fact that they only recognize The Tanach?
Who knows. everything has it's purpose.
We should not continue this discussion about religion.
Serbs are the comrades of every honest Jews.
We showed our solidarity to the Jews during WW2 when we saved them from the hands of the Nazis.
Lets stop to look at our differences.
We are both anti Nazi and we have a lot in common with each other.
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Well, I don't want to argue! He said first that I believe in false ideology! I am strong Orthodox believer and if I were Jewish I would probably be ultra-orthodox! :) Now you know how fanatical I am! Anyway, I was talking about Muslims not Jews!
You see, there cannot be deeper friendship between us ( Orthodox) and Jews and we all know why! I am too honest maybe and that is why they can't stand it!
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Jelena is not naive.
She just does not want to chose for hate.
Of course we condemn murders, criminals and Nazis.
But to say that a whole group of people which follows a certain religion is equal with the Nazis is just to far. Even if the majority is allied with a false theory you should not attack the weak the children and the women. Because that is no solution. You can overpower them if you destroy their leaders and convince them that they are following a wrong way. By trying to kill them all you will give them more arguments to continue their blind fight against you and you will make martyrs of them.
You must know your enemies. And you must resist them.
But never join them, never accept their way of thinking and their inferior values!
Just like David did not throw the spear to Saul when Saul tried to kill him.
If David had thrown the spear back he would become just like Saul.
With that I completely agree, I also chose not to hate, yet I oppose evil. And I do not suggest we should exterminate the Muslims nor indiscriminately slaying them.
Not all Muslims kill and rape! I am sure that they do not choose to be evil especially not those who are truly religious among Muslims! They see Jihad as spiritual fight! I am not talking about fanatics who perhaps interpret Kuran wrongly! That is also possible!
I also don't have problem with your false ideology and wrong interpretation of The Tanach! The same way I respect you as a human being and your choice to believe in your G-d and your "Messiah" !
This is were I see your ideology as wrong- It's not fanatics who misinterpret Islam, Islam specifically commands believers to do what they do. It's true, not every Muslim kills and rape, butif you think it proves that Islam isn't about killing you're still wrong. I am using Nazi as analogy to Muslim, so you can understand why someone who claims to be a 'moderate and yet pious proud Nazi who has never committed murder' don't have my gratitude for being that.
Anyway this is what I referred as your false ideology, I said nothing about your religion, which I respect.
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Do you checked the links I gave you? The "good" muslims are those who live acording to both Koran and Hadithes and those who're not backing up the jihad are "bad" muslims the hipocrites who're to be killed too:
Qur'an 5:33 "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.
"Qur'an 8:12 "Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: 'I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."
Qur'an 9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
Qur'an 9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an 8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
Qur'an 33:60 "Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, they shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible death
Isslam doesn't mean peace that's Sallam but submission the slavery to moon "god".
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Now I am talking to Orthodox Christians here.....I cannot imagine any true Christian to hate anybody except satan and antichrist! Read what Saint Nikolai Velimirovich said about hating the enemies. I strongly recommend you read the book "Prayers by the Lake" .
I am aware that Islam is not a very peaceful religion and I personally don't like it at all! But when it comes to people who accepted that religion I cannot judge them for being what they are. It is extremely difficult to be Christian but Lord never said it would be easy! I'm not saying that we should forget that Muslims did terrible things to our people in Kosovo, destroyed Churches, medieval monasteries...But G-d knows everything, sees everything..and waits patiently! :)
After all, we cannot expect justice on earth! We never believed in earthly kingdom!
Since you are talking to Orthodox Christians, as one, I will answer you. It is possible to defend yourself against evil people who wish you and your loved ones dead by doing everything you can, including killing them, but without hate. Love your enemies is for YOUR benefit, not your enemies' benefit. It means whatever you do, do not do it with a burning hatred in your heart because it will damage you both spiritually and physically. It does not mean when someone is racing toward you with a gun or a knife, love them blindly, turn the other cheek and get shot or stabbed.
And, by the way, welcome aboard.
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Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. (20) On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
Proverbs 24: 17 Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice, (18) or the LORD will see and disapprove and turn his wrath away from him.
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm
HiWarp you're briliant christianity is not budhism! O0
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Romans 12:19 Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for G-d’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. (20) On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
Proverbs 24: 17 Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice, (18) or the LORD will see and disapprove and turn his wrath away from him.
http://net-burst.net/revenge/love_and_wrath_of_God.htm
HiWarp you're briliant christianity is not budhism! O0
Exodus 22:2 If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; 3 but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed. A thief must certainly make restitution, but if he has nothing, he must be sold to pay for his theft.
Genesis 9:5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man. 6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man.
Proverbs 25:26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked.
Luke 22:36 He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: 'And he was numbered with the transgressors'; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." 38 The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied.
1 Timothy 5:8 If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
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Here is a place to seek alliances among Jew and gentile.Dispite my nom,all have showed me respect.I did not come here to argue but further the causes we have in commen.Thats what makes this web site and movement great. O0 :)
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Dear brother, you haven't read all my posts! I said previously that when a Christian defends himself or his loved ones he or she is allowed to kill! As it happens in war! I am talking about hate as a feeling that we should have only towards those who even Good God doesn't love because they cause most evil in this world or we are influenced by them when we sin! Have you forgot the fallen angel and his "followers"?! God doesn't hate any human being not even Muslims! Whenever I feel hate I always turn that hate towards them! Holy Fathers suggest we should do that! :)
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Dear brother, you haven't read all my posts! I said previously that when a Christian defends himself or his loved ones he or she is allowed to kill! As it happens in war! I am talking about hate as a feeling that we should have only towards those who even Good G-d doesn't love because they cause most evil in this world or we are influenced by them when we sin! Have you forgot the fallen angel and his "followers"?! G-d doesn't hate any human being not even Muslims! Whenever I feel hate I always turn that hate towards them! Holy Fathers suggest we should do that! :)
I agree with you. In fact I would put it to you that even when defending yourself or your loved ones it is counterproductive to hate the person that is attacking you. I do not need to fill myself with hatred towards someone that wants me dead. I just need to make sure that he doesn't succeed in his attempt.
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I was just saying peace is a Blessing from God.Our God!Not the moon bum the muslims worship. :)
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Well, they do not know who God is but they have feelings towards some "force" ,I guess ,who they consider to be God and they call him Allah! The fact is that it becomes dangerous when they try to impose their religion on other people! In that case, we better kill them!! :) Just kidding!
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Welcome,
by the way...
Serbia has my full support! O0
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Welcome Aboard O0
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Thank you all! I hope I will stay here for a while! :)
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Well, I don't want to argue! He said first that I believe in false ideology! I am strong Orthodox believer and if I were Jewish I would probably be ultra-orthodox! :) Now you know how fanatical I am! Anyway, I was talking about Muslims not Jews!
You see, there cannot be deeper friendship between us ( Orthodox) and Jews and we all know why! I am too honest maybe and that is why they can't stand it!
Who do you mean can't stand it, and what and why?! Please tell me...
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Well, some Jews here can't stand my being too honest! That is my impression! As Orthodox Christian I believe Jews are not chosen people anymore since I believe in the New Testament as well! I will not talk about it anymore because I don't want to upset you!
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You do realize the 12 disiples were ALL Jews.100% of the New Testiment was hand written by Jews.
Dont get upset.We Christians and Jews have commen enemies ,mabey you should try to focus on that.
wayne jude
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I don't want to upset them ! I am not upset at all! :) I do realize they were Jews and I don't have problem with that! But they were Jews who accepted Christ and all Jews who became part of His mystical Body( Orthodox Church) are my dear brothers and sisters just like Greeks ,Russians etc etc
However, I respect other Jews as well even though they don't like Christ and Theotokos but that is their choice! So, generally speaking , they can't be chosen people and I don't understand Christians who say that they are.
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Welcome ;D
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Its clear to me,but I will try to get you an awnser. :)
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Re: "...the 12 disiples were ALL Jews..."
True.
During Christendom's early years, non-Jews first converted to Judaism before they were allowed to follow Jesus.
The Greek physician named Luke was one such person.
The earliest "Christians" were simply Jews who truly believed Jesus to be the promised Jewish Moshiach.
Only later, when the Apostle Paul (a Jew named Saul who had spent his early years hunting down apostate Jewish followers of Jesus to prosecute them as heretics) was given permission at Jerusalem by the other disciples to preach exclusively to the gentiles, did the faith actually break away from its foundations, as "Paulism" spread throughout the Roman Empire and became the predominant faith.
In fact, without Judaism, Christians and Muslims would not exist, as each claim to be the "final fulfillment" of Judaism.
*Will a forum member please identify the name "Theotokus" for my benefit? Is this a personage or an article of the Greek Orthodox faith?
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I'm looking forward to it! :)
Make sure that it is not your personal opinion or interpretation of the Bible because I do not accept that! Good luck! :)
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I sentit already on the other topic you have frequented!
wayne jude :)
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MassuhDGoodName, I suppose you are Jewish! I agree with you! Everything you said is true and it is well-known among Christians! You were chosen people until the New Testament fulfilled the Old one.Now since God Himself (the second hypostasis of the Holy Trinity) came to earth and gave us the teachings which fulfilled what is previously said in the Tanach, those people who accept Him and those teachings and live according to them are actually chosen!
Lord Christ didn't want to save only Jews when He came to Earth to be crucified and to ressurect!
He talks to all of us through Bible, Saints...every human being is invited to follow Him by his or her own will! That is why I am shocked when I watch what certain "christians" did in the name of Christ and their church! :'(
Theotokos is a greek word meaning God bearer or Mother of God! Bogorodica is in Serbian! I use that word since I don't know how to say it in English and I am not sure they use that word for Dear Theotokos! :)
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Do you consider The Jews or Italians Christ killers cause If you do our discusion is over!
respectivly wayne jude
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No, I don't! But certain people who were catholics or protestants defended their faith in a very strange way not typical of Christians! I think that is why there are many people who are atheists in the West and who dislike church very much! Especially catholic church...since they never heard of Orthodox Church they don't dislike Eastern form of Christianity that much! :)
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I dont hate eastern Christians but If it werent the Jews it would have to be some other people.This is not a great place to convert people.I dont have a real hatred of Jews, my mothers side of my family is jewish.Mabey to Eastern Christians im not christian enough but I wont hate Jews and I take great offense.
You seem nice, just remember to show respect! :)
wayne jude
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Really? What do you think about Russians? :)
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what about them?
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Why do you all think I hate Jews?? I'm talking abut different world-views since we as Christians interpret the Tanach differently! Well, even Christians among themselves interpret the Bible differently unfortunately! :( And I it's not my intention to convert anyone! I am just expressing my opinion, that's all!
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Ok shalom! :)
wayne jude
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Shalom to you, too! :)
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Well, they do not know who G-d is but they have feelings towards some "force" ,I guess ,who they consider to be G-d and they call him Allah! The fact is that it becomes dangerous when they try to impose their religion on other people! In that case, we better kill them!! :) Just kidding!
LOL!!!
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I am dont understand why Jelena is allowed on what is supposed to be a Jewish forum to spread the Notsri lies, if Chaim wishes to ally with them, that is what it is, but I truly can not comprehend why we would allow Goyim to claim to steal our inheritence, a inheritence they lack the knowledge and Nefesh to grasp.
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Kahaneloyalist, I don't quite understand what is it that you wanted to say! Tell me honestly, do you hate Christians the same way you hate Muslims? What is the difference between us from Jewish perspective?
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I am dont understand why Jelena is allowed on what is supposed to be a Jewish forum to spread the Notsri lies, if Chaim wishes to ally with them, that is what it is, but I truly can not comprehend why we would allow Goyim to claim to steal our inheritence, a inheritence they lack the knowledge and Nefesh to grasp.
Jews never had bad experiences in areas which were under the direct control of the Serbian authorities.
It should not be impossible to form an united allience between Serbs and Jews which should be based on our relationship for example from WW2.
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Sometime I ask my self?
Do Muslems get more on my nerves or non-muslems reday to love them?
Does anybody out there thinks the same?
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Boyana, are you Orthodox Christian?
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Jelena Serb-Ani lo Mevin Otach! I Don;t Understand
You?
Why do you ask me? :-* :-*
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Boyana now I don't get it, are you Serb and you speak hebrew?
as for Jelena (correct me if I'm wrong), It seems to me her main interest is in preaching Orthodox Christianity to the Serbs.
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Zelhar!Ani Medaberer IIvrit!
Atah Tzodek ,yes I am Serb! :-*
Jelena Serb is here to teach me to love muslems,which i can not,never will,and I do not think I am wrong!
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Boyana, I just want to know if you are my sister in Christ or by Adam? I asked you whether you understood Serbian or not because I wrote something to you in Serbian which explains how Orthodox Christians should behave towards their "enemies"! It is deeper theology and I know that is it difficult to understand but we should try to understand and to behave according to what our faith teaches us! OK? I am not here to teach you or anybody else anything! I am just suggesting you learn more about our faith!
By the way, I love Hebrew! :)
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My dear Jelena,my sunday school has finished a long time ago!
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So, you forgot what our faith teaches us? You didn't answer my question...are you Orthodox Christian? It is important for me to know!
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Dear Jelelena,I think you will have to live me alone or I will leave this forum!Please do not keep asking me,or lecturing me! :D
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What is the problem? I don't understand! Само ме занима да ли си ми сестра у Христу?
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Welcome aboard. If you get the time you can read Eric Jon Phelp's book "Vatican Assassins" which I've posted here on the forum. I disagree with about 10% flatly because the author is very ignorant in Judaism especially the Talmud. About 15% I question because of my ignorance on the subject but the remaining 75% I found quite fascinating.... Happy posting...
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Moderator,Lock this baby up,PLease It does not serve us well,
nite!wayne jude!!!!!!! :)
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Well, some Jews here can't stand my being too honest! That is my impression! As Orthodox Christian I believe Jews are not chosen people anymore since I believe in the New Testament as well! I will not talk about it anymore because I don't want to upset you!
This really is no place for theological debates but since you've brought up this subject I might as well inform you on the base differences between the two faiths. There is one main difference between Christianity and Judaism which most informed Jews understand while Christians do not and will never understand unless they step back and research from an impartial view of History and also Theology. Jesus was a Pharasee (Rabbinical) Jew from Judea (not "the West Bank" in "P-lestine"), thus would have followed Othodox Judaism or Torah Law. Further he would have logically known that the Torah was given to the Jewish people at Sinai and only applicable to Israel/Jews. Further, Jesus especially but John and the rest of the Apostles would have known that Jews are beholden to the Laws of Moses while the Gentile is accountable to the base laws of a moral society: 7 Laws of Noah, thus being no need for a "New" Testament. It is impossible to believe in both the Old and New Testaments as according to the "Old" Testament the specificities affords no base for a, or any, New Testament. This is easily understood when researching both Theology and History of both Judaism and Christianity especially since Constentine and the Council of Nicea 323.
The so-called "Chosen" people has only one basic meaning. G-d "chose" one Goy (Nation) to accept the Torah, not the Romans, Greeks, Trojans, Assyrians, Egyptians, Babylonians, Hittites, Mongols, Persians, Spartans, Phonesians etc. but Yacov: Israel.
So, according to G-d's word, as specified in the Torah, the Gentile is only abliged to follow the Laws of Noah: Noahide Laws: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noahide_Laws and nothing further... ;)
Genesis 12:2; Genesis 12:3
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My apologies folks. I should have locked this thread up a long time ago. This is not the place for discussing Christian vs. Jewish ideology. So I'll lock this thread up now.