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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: The Shadow on March 27, 2008, 09:45:38 PM
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How many guys in JTF over the age of 35 don't plan on having children?
One vote from me. 39 here. So far so good.
I want to be foot loose and fancy free, forever.
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Anybody who has children please, don't take this the wrong way. God bless you!!
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Well, I'm a few years short of your criteria, but it doesn't look likely for me. O0
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My brother is passed 35 and his wife is expecting twins for the first time! So there are many men who do.
True Mills, my brother is 36 and he and his wife have identical twin sons due in June, and he wants at least 4 more kids :)
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Identical twins? That's great!
My brother's getting fraternal twins, a boy and a girl. But his wife doesn't want anymore.
I'm so happy to hear about your brother. O0
Aww thanks, congrats on the neice and nephew :) do they have others or shes just done .
I still want to have more, but times ticking lol so I may adopt ;)
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The Jews of this forum are doing a huge disservice by not having kids. We need more righteous Jews like the ones in this forum! I know you would all make great fathers, please reconsider.
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32 and I have no children
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23 right now.. want as many kids as I can afford eventually O0
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Identical twins? That's great!
My brother's getting fraternal twins, a boy and a girl. But his wife doesn't want anymore.
I'm so happy to hear about your brother. O0
Aww thanks, congrats on the neice and nephew :) do they have others or shes just done .
I still want to have more, but times ticking lol so I may adopt ;)
No the twins are their first. He would like to have more but she said that's it.
I'm sure everything will work out for you, you'll see!
As for me, I'll want to have as many as possible. From 6-6 million. I so agree with Full Metal Jacket ;).
I would have had 6 but I think its too late for that now lol, maybe a couple more, children are wonderful :)
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Right On! O0
I'm 31 and don't have any children, yet... but will work on them soon right after I'm married. :)
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I am not over 35, but plan/hope on only adopting.
Whether that comes to pass is up to the L-rd, not me.
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Out of the question here.
My landlady doesn't allow anything that poos.
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All guys seem to come around eventually. Trust me.. having kids is the most fulfilling thing you can do.
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The Jews of this forum are doing a huge disservice by not having kids. We need more righteous Jews like the ones in this forum! I know you would all make great fathers, please reconsider.
I agree I am 22 and Jewish and would like at least 3 or 4 kids. We can't have zero kids when the Muslim Nazis are having up to 35 with up to 4 wives.
Genesis 1:28
And G-d blesseth them, and G-d saith to them, 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth
Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.
Genesis 9:7
"As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it."
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I agree I am 22 and Jewish and would like at least 3 or 4 kids. We can't have zero kids when the Muslim Nazis are having up to 35 with up to 4 wives.
Genesis 1:28
And G-d blesseth them, and G-d saith to them, 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth
Genesis 9:1
And G-d blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.
Genesis 9:7
"As for you, be fruitful and multiply; Populate the earth abundantly and multiply in it."
Now the earth is overpopulated. The mitzvah was fulfilled by about 100 years ago.
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newman: "...Now the earth is overpopulated. The mitzvah was fulfilled by about 100 years ago..."
A mitzvah is not a "suggestion"...it is a commandment.
We are commanded to obey, and if we truly believe that G-d spoke to us at Sinai, then we are obligated to obey G-d and not the scientists at the UN population control committee.
If mankind obeyed the dictates of our Creator, and stopped hating and warring against each other, the resources and creativity of mankind would be put towards feeding, clothing, sheltering and healing each other.
Another aspect of human reproduction as a Divine Mitzvah is that we must as human beings and as Jews come to an acceptance of the possibility that "overpopulation" and the famine, wars, and unrest that such a situation can produce, might indeed be part and parcel of G-d's Plan for Creation...just as we accept that tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, and floods are natural occurrences and therefore must exist for a reason and purpose.
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No children for me. Unfortunately I'm past child bearing age.
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newman: "...Now the earth is overpopulated. The mitzvah was fulfilled by about 100 years ago..."
A mitzvah is not a "suggestion"...it is a commandment.
We are commanded to obey, and if we truly believe that G-d spoke to us at Sinai, then we are obligated to obey G-d and not the scientists at the UN population control committee.
If mankind obeyed the dictates of our Creator, and stopped hating and warring against each other, the resources and creativity of mankind would be put towards feeding, clothing, sheltering and healing each other.
Another aspect of human reproduction as a Divine Mitzvah is that we must as human beings and as Jews come to an acceptance of the possibility that "overpopulation" and the famine, wars, and unrest that such a situation can produce, might indeed be part and parcel of G-d's Plan for Creation...just as we accept that tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, and floods are natural occurrences and therefore must exist for a reason and purpose.
He said "fill the Earth". It's full already. Mission (and mitzvah) accomplished.
Noah and his sons did NOT procreate on the ark. They waited until the flood had receded.
Joseph only had two children because Egypt was in famine.
There is Biblical precedent that one should only breed in accordance with what one's personal (and the Earth's) resources can provide.
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He said "fill the Earth". It's full already. Mission (and mitzvah) accomplished.
Noah and his sons did NOT procreate on the ark. They waited until the flood had receded.
Joseph only had two children because Egypt was in famine.
There is Biblical precedent that one should only breed in accordance with what one's personal (and the Earth's) resources can provide.
So you are saying that Jews should stop having Kids. It is the Muslims who need to they are over populating the world with Terrorists. What you are saying in effect would end Jewidism
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"He said "fill the Earth". It's full already. Mission (and mitzvah) accomplished."
-Just what is it you have against increasing your market share?
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"Noah and his sons did NOT procreate on the ark. They waited until the flood had receded."
-Another "Pop culture myth": They got it on inside that boat, and a good time was shared by all.
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"Joseph only had two children because Egypt was in famine."
-This is true, but the Joseph in question was Joseph Schlitz, found of The Schlitz Brewery, Milwaulkee, WI.
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"There is Biblical precedent that one should only breed in accordance with what one's personal (and the Earth's) resources can provide."
-Better tell that to the Chinese.
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He said "fill the Earth". It's full already. Mission (and mitzvah) accomplished.
Noah and his sons did NOT procreate on the ark. They waited until the flood had receded.
Joseph only had two children because Egypt was in famine.
There is Biblical precedent that one should only breed in accordance with what one's personal (and the Earth's) resources can provide.
So you are saying that Jews should stop having Kids. It is the Muslims who need to they are over populating the world with Terrorists. What you are saying in effect would end Jewidism
I'm not saying peoiple should stop. I'm just saying that the commandment to multiply that was given thousands of years ago when there were less than one tenth the population we have today no longer has the same gravity. It's like the commandment yeshu gave to his followers to spread the word. at the time he gave it, nobody knew what christianity was. Now everybody does. Yet, christians use that commandment to run around driving non-christians up the wall. Same thing.
The reason to multiply was to have sufficient people to clear the land, dig up the minerals, fish the seas etc. That was legitimate over one thousand years ago. But guess what...................the land has all been cleared, the minerals all dug up and the ocean fished out. Was the biblical commandment to keep breeding infinitim until mankind drowns in his own sh*t?
You cannot hope to outbreed muSSlims. Nobody apart from blacks have the biology to breed like cockroaches the way arabs do.
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44 y.o. with 2 kids. Most fulfilling thing I ever did, and it was pretty easy to do. Interestingly, I was not to enthused about having kids until we did. My wife was very insistant, but now she says that they are killing her. Admittedly, I found them more enjoyable once they hit the age of 3. We're not planning on any more.
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44 y.o. with 2 kids. Most fulfilling thing I ever did, and it was pretty easy to do. Interestingly, I was not to enthused about having kids until we did. My wife was very insistant, but now she says that they are killing her. Admittedly, I found them more enjoyable once they hit the age of 3. We're not planning on any more.
That's great to hear, G-d bless O0
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44 y.o. with 2 kids. Most fulfilling thing I ever did, and it was pretty easy to do. Interestingly, I was not to enthused about having kids until we did. My wife was very insistant, but now she says that they are killing her. Admittedly, I found them more enjoyable once they hit the age of 3. We're not planning on any more.
That's great to hear, G-d bless O0
Thanks, JTFFan, and may G-d bless you as well.
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under 35 and Gd willing, hope to have as many kids Gd gives us as long as we can handle them.
Feel sorry for those who can't have kids.
Feel even worse for those who don't even want one.
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The Jews of this forum are doing a huge disservice by not having kids. We need more righteous Jews like the ones in this forum! I know you would all make great fathers, please reconsider.
but first get married...not pulling off one of those shwartza tricks of having kids out wetlock.
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under 35 and Gd willing, hope to have as many kids Gd gives us as long as we can handle them.
Feel sorry for those who can't have kids.
Feel even worse for those who don't even want one.
There is always adoption.
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Since I was raised as an only child, I'm more appreciative of the work large families have to make. Myslef, I would like to have 3 to 4 children (G-d willing) so that they will always have each other.
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Identical twins? That's great!
My brother's getting fraternal twins, a boy and a girl. But his wife doesn't want anymore.
I'm so happy to hear about your brother. O0
My Rabbi's cousin just had twins, and she's 54.
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I'm 37 and I've got 1 son... Max, who is 6. Bless his beating heart....
Best thing I ever did. - Gives my life a bit more purpose to try and bring him up right.
In Genesis G-d said go forth and multiply... he said it at that early stage becuse he was trying for us to get a jump on the Muzzies ;D
-Bring more Jews and Christians into the world.... if not we will be out-bred very shortly...And you'll know what will happen then.
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It's near impossible for affluent whites (Jew or christian) to breed like blacks or arabs just as fine horses cannot breed like rats.
The answer to the population imballance is culling the surplus undesireables.
Culling is the 'selection' (removing or killing) of surplus animals from an animal population. In a wild population the selection is often done by killing the animal immediately.
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Culling is the wrong word.. anyone that advocates mass killings of human beings, no matter what their stripe is wrong and is pursuing an evil adgenda.
The key to all of our problems is universal seperatism. Whites live in white countries, Blacks and Hispanics in theirs. ...it is not racisim it is seperatism.
Throughout history any race that has had to co-exist with another race causes tension, strife and murder.
We are not all equal and/or the same. Seperate the races and religions, and let everyone live in peace with their own.\
Forget racism... Seperatism is the key for world peace.
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Unfortunately, a population (separated) that has outgrown it's resources has no choice but to attack it's neighbors. MuSSlim doctrine dictates attacking ALL muSSlims in any circumstances. Separatism is worthy but it won't solve the problem of too many muSSlims in the world. A humane (quick) 'population adjustment' is the ONLY sollution.
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DanBenNoah,
Bless you my friend. You can still be a good anti-muslim activist and have a family. Don't shut yourself off from this aspect of your life. Unlike the Muslims who demand you to have big families so they can take over the area they are in, the Tanach does not demand this...
If you can find a good loyal wife (that I have very fortunately managed to do), life can be blissful with a family, even in this day and age.
I wish you and every JTF'er the happiness in life that I have.- Have children if you can; its the best thing.
VBR,
Dibbz
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DanBenNoah,
Bless you my friend. You can still be a good anti-muslim activist and have a family. Don't shut yourself off from this aspect of your life. Unlike the Muslims who demand you to have big families so they can take over the area they are in, the Tanach does not demand this...
If you can find a good loyal wife (that I have very fortunately managed to do), life can be blissful with a family, even in this day and age.
I wish you and every JTF'er the happiness in life that I have.- Have children if you can; its the best thing.
VBR,
Dibbz
To Mr. Dibblez:
That's your opinion. Lot's of guys like me don't have any urge to have children. Financially, having children is a disaster. Forking up for summer camp, braces, college, cars, are large costs just to name a few. My friend has been financially destroyed from it. He and his wife can't make it anymore. That's not for me. I'm not working for the next 30 years like a slave to pay those kind of debts off. I'm always gonna be foot loose and fancy free. And I'm not getting married either! Not with a 60 percent divorce rate. No chick is getting half of my home and savings and or pension. I've worked too hard and long for that. mmmmhmmmmmmmmmm.
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Fair comment Shadow,
I am a divorcee who has re-married but I had to give away a large house outright in the first instance, (that is a house I had 50% rights to as joint owner) and now I also pay $700 a month in school fees.
In a less complicated and litigacious world we would all be better off.
-Thing was, I played the game and got cuffed, but had no intention of marrying at all at the time, much like you. In the end I had to do so or my son would be a bastard and could not be Baptized in the Catholic faith.
-That put paid to my bachelor easy-come-easy-go lifestyle.
As it goes, I have no regrets other than I would have liked to have chosen a more appropriate wife and timing for the whole event!
VBR,
Dibbz
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Fair comment Shadow,
I am a divorcee who has re-married but I had to give away a large house outright in the first instance, (that is a house I had 50% rights to as joint owner) and now I also pay $700 a month in school fees.
In a less complicated and litigacious world we would all be better off.
-Thing was, I played the game and got cuffed, but had no intention of marrying at all at the time, much like you. In the end I had to do so or my son would be a bastard and could not be Baptized in the Catholic faith.
-That put paid to my bachelor easy-come-easy-go lifestyle.
As it goes, I have no regrets other than I would have liked to have chosen a more appropriate wife and timing for the whole event!
VBR,
Dibbz
Mr. Dibbz,
You seem like a good guy, that got taken advantage of. You have been through a lot. And I know I couldn't handle all that. And what happened to you, happens to 6 out of 10 guys who get married. That's not good odds at all. Thats why I say, I'm not getting married and having chidren. I hope and pray I stick to my guns.
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Mills....
I hugely respect your thoughts on the JTF objectives and you have been a strong guiding light for me in catching the pulse of this great movement.- Also loved your vid on U-tube.
I have though many black friends, (one guy...I lived with for 2 years in our own house whilst we were at college) whom I love deeply and God forbid would never see a hair on his head harmed. He is smarter than me and could whip my ass at chess every time. >:(
-The fact is, he himself dispairs at the state that his own people have degenerated to and he told me, back in 1995 that seperate countries and communities should maintain their seperatism in order to thrive.
This man used to get harrasssed by other black men constantly when he came out with me for hanging out with a "whitey". I used to get hassled for the same from my own and accused and thretened in equal measure.
There will always be closeness and genuine friendship between races at an individual level; its when this gets applied at a blanket level, accross the board, to nations and where the indigineous people are white that there becomes a problem. The same thing happened in South Africa but the other way around!
History, phyisiology and basic human nature bear this out.. in general people would rather be with their own race.-This is not racisim or a crime, it is simply human nature.-The same as if we dont like communism.
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Bless you Mills and thank you, O0
-I realise that there is a bit of a language barrier as well as a "real politic" barrier between the UK and the US, however a few things are universal:
-The last thing I mean, is to send people who are non-white back to their homelands who feel they are not British or American first and foremost.
-This would be ethnic cleansing and a hate crime.
All I am saying is that when the host society (ie. us) that gets its way of life pushed aside by people with sharper elbows than we have, then we have to make a stand. If you want Sharia law...go live in one of the 66 nations in the world that promote it, if you want black power and white suppression then your place is not in the US or UK, it is in the Congo or Nigeria.
-I think this is fair enough comment... It is basically put-up or shut-up and the great thing about America is those non-white folks who want to "put-up" do so in spades by joining the military. -These are true patriots, but there also comes a point where they cannot out-breed us in our own country.
I hope you see this point and that fundamenatly I am on your side...Just imagine if there was a Black/Hispanic majority running the US -(which is now a likely prospect...) How do you think they will treat the Jews?- With the same tolerance we have shown?- I sincerely doubt it....
Seems to me we are going to have to loose it all before we can start trying to win it back.
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Mills,
- Seems like I did not communicate effectively with you the last time...
All of the points you mentioned I agree with. Re-read my last post.
Anyone, irrespective of colour who is a genuine patriot and respects the Juadaic/Christian heritage of our nations is fine with me. All those that dont should leave. They will only cause strife for all the rest that do.
-Cant say fairer than that..
Dibbz
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Why don't you & Mills compromise and agree to ALL third worlders- EXCEPT the 5-10% righteous minority- out?
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Sweet.... ;)
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Unfortunately I don't think any evil people are going to just get up and go to leave all the nice and good people in bliss. That's part of what makes them evil. Eventually one may have tough choices to make: fight, die or leave if possible. And some will unfortunately join them.
As for marriage, choose your mate wisely, take necessary precautions [e.g. prenuptial agreements, irrevocable trusts, etc.] and plan well financially. Just because the odds are bad, does not mean you should give up on the idea of a fruitful marriage. The odds are bad on achieving many worthwhile pursuits. Reproducing is a competitive endeavor.
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I'm 29 don't have kids yet, since I'm not married, but I'll have soon after I get married if G-d's willing!!
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I'm 29 don't have kids yet, since I'm not married, but I'll have soon after I get married if G-d's willing!!
You should have a 'little Jasmina'. :)
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I'm 29 don't have kids yet, since I'm not married, but I'll have soon after I get married if G-d's willing!!
You should have a 'little Jasmina'. :)
Soon!!! we planned her/him, and others too!! :)
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Unfortunately, a population (separated) that has outgrown it's resources has no choice but to attack it's neighbors. MuSSlim doctrine dictates attacking ALL muSSlims in any circumstances. Separatism is worthy but it won't solve the problem of too many muSSlims in the world. A humane (quick) 'population adjustment' is the ONLY sollution.
A lot of times what is touted as a lack of resources is actually a lack of engenuity among the population.
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I'm too old and tired to have any more kids. If I had the time and money I would have whipped out as many pups as I could. I love the little ones scrambling around me and hoping into my bed in the morning to cuddle before it's time to start our day. Now I'm waiting for my oldest to get married and give me grandchildren.
Having children and raising them into good, healthy adults is the final stage of our adulthood as well as biological success. I hope everyone here gets to enjoy this greatest blessing.
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54 year old woman still having kids? Thats disgusting. Why not have HRT and pop them out at 70.
Women are not there solely as brood mares.
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I thought it nearly impossible for a 54 year old woman to have a child the old fashioned way. Did she have the baby without help from science? (No invitro)
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54 year old woman still having kids? Thats disgusting. Why not have HRT and pop them out at 70.
Women are not there solely as brood mares.
Well she was very happy about it, but I'm sure she'd appreciate your comments... ::)
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I thought it nearly impossible for a 54 year old woman to have a child the old fashioned way. Did she have the baby without help from science? (No invitro)
I believe so, but I'm not positive...
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There's no problem with it.
My grandmother was nearing 50 when she suddenly got pregnant at the same time that my mom was expecting her second child (that was back in the early 1970s).
My grandmum was kind of embarrassed actually lol but she was happy that she was expecting. Her daughter and my brother are around the same age and grew up together. Even if she's his aunt!
Very nice story!!!! :) :) :) Your Granmother is very very lucky because the probability or risk of Down syndrome is increasing with the age!
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54 year old woman still having kids? Thats disgusting. Why not have HRT and pop them out at 70.
Women are not there solely as brood mares.
Well she was very happy about it, but I'm sure she'd appreciate your comments... ::)
Well I am sure her or I will not lose sleep over it.
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54 year old woman still having kids? Thats disgusting. Why not have HRT and pop them out at 70.
Women are not there solely as brood mares.
Well she was very happy about it, but I'm sure she'd appreciate your comments... ::)
Well I am sure her or I will not lose sleep over it.
I'm sure she has two much louder things to lose sleep over. ;)
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54 year old woman still having kids? Thats disgusting. Why not have HRT and pop them out at 70.
Women are not there solely as brood mares.
Well she was very happy about it, but I'm sure she'd appreciate your comments... ::)
Well I am sure her or I will not lose sleep over it.
I'm sure she has two much louder things to lose sleep over. ;)
Yes, probably ;)
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54 year old woman still having kids? Thats disgusting.
I wouldn't say disgusting. Being a big show off, maybe. ;D
My grandmum was kind of embarrassed actually lol but she was happy that she was expecting.
Did she allow your grandfather the right to gloat or did she hit him?