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Save Western Civilization => Save America => Topic started by: habiru on September 01, 2006, 12:29:23 PM
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A recent national poll of over 2,000 Americans found that the majority of white evangelical Protestants and those in the South support the belief that the state of Israel was given to the Jewish people by God.
Among the surveyed religious groups, white evangelical Protestants stand out with 69 percent supporting the belief that God gave Israel to the Jewish people, according to the survey released by The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life last week. Moreover, a full 59 percent subscribe to the belief that Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
The views were also well accepted among black protestants with 60 percent believing Israel was given to the Jews by God and 56 percent believing Israel fulfills the prophecy of the second coming.
However, the percentage supporting these views dropped significantly among Catholics and white mainline Protestants, which both raked percentages in the low twenties for both views.
In addition to their strong support among white evangelical Protestants, the beliefs were also popular in the South with some 56 percent believing that God has bestowed Israel to the Jews and nearly half, 45 percent, saying Israel fulfills biblical prophecy on the second coming of Jesus.
Findings also show that a majority of those who view the Bible as the literal Word of God say Israel was given by God to the Jews and that Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy (70 percent and 62 percent, respectively). The numbers were significantly lower among those who do not believe the Bible is the actual Word of God.
A more recent Pew survey conducted Aug. 9-13 found a majority of Americans (52 percent) sympathized more with Israel when compared with the Palestinians (11 percent). Support is stronger among those who believe that Israel was given by God to the Jewish people and those who see Israel as the fulfillment of biblical prophecy.
Regarding the second coming of Jesus Christ, the results reflect the importance of this teaching in most Christian traditions with 79 percent of Christians saying they believe that Christ will return to earth someday. Only 20 percent believe Jesus will return to earth in their lifetime.
To read the complete report visit: pewforum.org
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Thanks for the statistics and for the link, habiru.
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Southern Evangelicals are also busily promoting black supremacy in their programmes.
They have adopted a politically-correct facade some of which they don't believe in at all (re: negroes) and some of which have dark ulterior motives. They are probably boosting Israel because they want Jews to leave their country and go live there.
Of course they will never publicly admit this.
Anyway, never make friends with someone who believes on Jesus. They are always eyeing you up and trying to take advantage of you in tender moments to believe in their false prophet. Never be a close friend with an observant Christian, just be respectful of them and always bear in mind they want you to leave their country.
Which is GOOD, don't get me wrong. This is all part of the L-rd's plan for His people. :)
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Southern Evangelicals are also busily promoting black supremacy in their programmes.
They have adopted a politically-correct facade some of which they don't believe in at all (re: negroes) and some of which have dark ulterior motives. They are probably boosting Israel because they want Jews to leave their country and go live there.
Of course they will never publicly admit this.
Anyway, never make friends with someone who believes on Jesus. They are always eyeing you up and trying to take advantage of you in tender moments to believe in their false prophet. Never be a close friend with an observant Christian, just be respectful of them and always bear in mind they want you to leave their country.
Which is GOOD, don't get me wrong. This is all part of the L-rd's plan for His people. :)
I find your comments offensive and I say this as an orthodox Jew.
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I find your comments offensive and I say this as an orthodox Jew.
I apologize very sincerely for causing you offence, it is just that I have little love for Christians having grown up around them.
Then again, maybe they hate me just because I am a wretch, and I deserve all the scorn in the world for being so worthless.
Do forgive the evil impulse which bids me presume to type as a representative of righteousness when only filthiness proceeds from my loins!
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I may be crazy but that didnt sound like a sincere apology...
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I may be crazy but that didnt sound like a sincere apology...
Ya... this "Get thee hence Satan" person has sounded sarcastic for a while now and has said some crazy things. I think it's someone posting weirdness to get attention or to make fun of the other members.
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As a christian I can tell you that no true christian would hate you.
We are taught to love our neighbours as ourselves, and to love our enemies.
I may also add, that yes, I beleive that God gave Israel to the Jews, actually, when I say Israsel the land I am referring to is larger than what is now called Israel...
Furthermore, who told you that you are a wretch, who told you that you are worthless?
"God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestocks according to their kinds and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good." Genesis 1:25
Then God created man, then:
"God saw all that he had made and it was very good. And there was morning and there was evening the sixth day" Genesis 1:31
Before he makes man he says that everything is good, after he makes man, he says that everything is very good. What has changed? The addition of man. God made man and it saw that it was very good.
If God made you and saw that you were very good, by what right do you call yourself worthless? Who are you to argue with what God has said?
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Southern Evangelicals are also busily promoting black supremacy in their programmes.
They have adopted a politically-correct facade some of which they don't believe in at all (re: negroes) and some of which have dark ulterior motives. They are probably boosting Israel because they want Jews to leave their country and go live there.
Of course they will never publicly admit this.
Anyway, never make friends with someone who believes on Jesus. They are always eyeing you up and trying to take advantage of you in tender moments to believe in their false prophet. Never be a close friend with an observant Christian, just be respectful of them and always bear in mind they want you to leave their country.
Which is GOOD, don't get me wrong. This is all part of the L-rd's plan for His people. :)
I got a few laughs out of some of this garbage however I to am starting to feel that this poster is stirring the pot. Your posts are quite offensive and really don't have much of a point. You should really try to post something that makes some sense.
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I'm not an American, maybe this is why we have a clash of culture?
The interaction between Jew and non-Jew in Britain is very different. There is blatant anti-Semitism in my country (UK) like none of you would probably believe. It is literally open, widespread and goes unpunished.
I do genuinely apologize to the sincere Zionist Christians of the U.S. and elsewhere. It's just that here in the UK things are different.
I am sorry, really, and I should bear in mind that U.S. Christians are totally different, much nicer people.
No I don't want to offend anyone at all, really :)
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I live in the UK.
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I live in the South East USA, and What I got to say bout this is
"You damn right. That's exactly what God did"
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Another Land that has a great deal in Common with Israel (As I see it) Is Kashmir,
Israel and Kashmir are the junctions of three Empires and three Religious Groups, and FOlks been fighting over that region too.
I say Israel encompasses the BLue on the map, Kashmir the red,
nuff said.
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As a christian I can tell you that no true christian would hate you.
You are among a select few in the UK.
The whites who live here are now almost as degraded and bad as the hordes of Muslim invaders. JTF readers are Israel/America-centric and don't know about the 200,000+ Islamics coming into the UK since 1997.
Not only that but I was a student at university until recently and experienced first-hand that even among the white middle class there is a zealous hatred of Israel and of the Jewish faith in general.
Islamic organizations prosper in UK universities because these places are breeding grounds of Jew- and white-hatred.
The UK is a finished country and I hope to leave very soon, G-d willing. But to the extent that the UK is still blessed, and has any remaining redeeming features, it is thanks to Christians such as yourself, for whom G-d spares the whole country from the abyss. But alas, the weight of sin and filth is drowning out the tiny minority of righteous Christians and the UK will soon be utterly swamped by ISLAM.
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I personally don't hold quite such a pessimistic view, though I agree that my country is in a terrible state, also of note, it's degradation is pretty much directly proportional with the drop in attendance of church.The number of people in the UK who are actually proper christians now is probably below 10% of the population.
I can actually add, that I have been called a "dirty Jew" by some people, even though I'm not a Jew... (My great grandparents were)
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I can actually add, that I have been called a "dirty Jew" by some people, even though I'm not a Jew... (My great grandparents were)
On your mother or father's side?
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Mother's side, my mother's grandparents, I'm not sure if they were practising Jews, I do know for definite that their parents were, and that my mother's grandmother was killed in a nazi gas chamber, they didn't care if the person was a practising Jew or not, my great grandfather somehow escaped germany, and got to america, however, beleiving that his wife and children were dead he killed himself. He was however mistaken, his children were alive and well in the UK. They were able to leave germany just in time. (One of his children being my grandmother, the other being my err, I think that great uncle is the right term, they're both dead as well now though, natural causes. I know that neither of them were practising Jews. Well, at least not in their later live)
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"The UK Is finished as a country."
AND YOU SEE NOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET A BUNCH OF RAGHEADS INTO A NATION WHERE THEY DONT BELONG!
(And I , as a Zionist Christian am defending Get Thee Hence Satan)
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Mother's side, my mother's grandparents, I'm not sure if they were practising Jews, I do know for definite that their parents were, and that my mother's grandmother was killed in a nazi gas chamber, they didn't care if the person was a practising Jew or not, my great grandfather somehow escaped germany, and got to america, however, beleiving that his wife and children were dead he killed himself. He was however mistaken, his children were alive and well in the UK. They were able to leave germany just in time. (One of his children being my grandmother, the other being my err, I think that great uncle is the right term, they're both dead as well now though, natural causes. I know that neither of them were practising Jews. Well, at least not in their later live)
Does it go down the mother's side for your parents too? In otherwords, do you have a link to them through mother, grandmother, great-grandmother?
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I thought I'd described it for you already, to make it clearer:
Last known practicing Jewish couple in my family tree.
Their daughter, may or may not have been a practising Jew, was definately killed in a nazi gas chamber.
Her daughter escaped nazi germany to britain.
Her daughter was my mother
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I thought I'd described it for you already, to make it clearer:
Last known practicing Jewish couple in my family tree.
Their daughter, may or may not have been a practising Jew, was definately killed in a nazi gas chamber.
Her daughter escaped nazi germany to britain.
Her daughter was my mother
Then you are Jewish, Rhuan. It goes down through the mother.
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Jeffguy :
The only thing I can think of is that his mother was not observant of Judaism at all.. married a Christian man, and he was raised a Christian. You're talking about traditional custom which is completely understandable, but faith is a way of living life, not a genetic bloodline.
Get thee Hence Satan :
The British helped the Nazis, the Americans fought them. Anti-Semetism goes back a long way in Europe, though there are "Christians" all over the world, there are very few countries with practising Christians left. I hear the argument sometimes, "Oh, Christians are peaceful people? Hitler was a Christian, Stalin was a Christian.. look at what they did".
These people are not Christians. Yes, they may have come from a Christian background, but that doesn't mean anything.
It's the same example for most Jews in America. Certain people may call themselves Jewish, but what do they really mean by that? They come from a Jewish background, they have a Jewish name, but they stand for absolutely none of Torah Jewdaism's concepts. Actions speak louder than words. They're not Jews. Get it?
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Jeffguy :
The only thing I can think of is that his mother was not observant of Judaism at all.. married a Christian man, and he was raised a Christian. You're talking about traditional custom which is completely understandable, but faith is a way of living life, not a genetic bloodline.
Religion isn't what determines if someone is Jewish... thus Jews for Jesus.
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Surely, three or four generations of non practising Jews cuts the line?
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Re: "...Surely, three or four generations of non practising Jews cuts the line?..."
NOTHING CUTS AN ETERNAL COVENANT WITH GOD.
If you let your bills become delinquent, and your contract with your creditor is written as an eternal contract, then you owe the creditor.
Choosing on your own to let your account lapse changes the creditor's part of your contract not the least.
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I may officialy be a Jew, but I hold to my belief in the Lord Jesus Christ as the messiah.
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I'm not an American, maybe this is why we have a clash of culture?
The interaction between Jew and non-Jew in Britain is very different. There is blatant anti-Semitism in my country (UK) like none of you would probably believe. It is literally open, widespread and goes unpunished.
I do genuinely apologize to the sincere Zionist Christians of the U.S. and elsewhere. It's just that here in the UK things are different.
I am sorry, really, and I should bear in mind that U.S. Christians are totally different, much nicer people.
No I don't want to offend anyone at all, really :)
Inquiry highlights rise in anti-Semitism in Great Britain
By Assaf Uni, Haaretz Correspondent
LONDON - Britain's Jewish community faces an unprecedented level of anti-Semitism and feels more threatened than ever, according to the report of the all-party parliamentary inquiry into anti-Semitism, which is to be released Thursday.
The panel found an increase in "anti-Semitic discourse," particularly among leftist groupings, and recommends a series of actions to prevent the situation from deteriorating further.
Panel chairman Denis MacShane, who will present the report's conclusions to Prime Minister Tony Blair Thursday, told Haaretz Wednesday that the report rings the "alarm bells" for Britain.
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The committee was created about a year ago in order "to investigate the current problem, identify the sources of contemporary anti-Semitism and make recommendations that we believe will improve the current situation."
Over 100 written statements were submitted to the 14 committee members, who span the political spectrum. Experts, politicians and public figures testified before the panel in four separate hearings.
The panel was initiated by members of Parliament and not intended to be an official inquiry.
According to the report, the number of anti-Semitic incidents reported in Britain has risen since 2000, accompanied by a decline in public support for Jews.
The panel attributed the escalation to flare-ups in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict (but did not specify a direct connection), as well as the "anti-Semitic discourse" being held openly among Muslims, the extreme left and, to a lesser extent, the extreme right.
"It is this phenomenon that has contributed to an atmosphere where Jews have become more anxious and more vulnerable to abuse and attack than at any other time for a generation or longer," the report said.
"We are ringing the alarm bells for Britain," MacShane told Haaretz, to tell the people that the country's Jews are unable to live lives free of fear and to enjoy cultural, community and religious life without the constant fear of being attacked.
He said that one of the most important findings of the panel is that most Britons are simply unaware of the serious problem of anti-Semitism in their country.
Great Britain is home to 300,000 Jews, two-thirds of whom live in the Greater London area. The recommendations in the 66-page report include better reporting of anti-Semitic incidents on the part of the police and an investigation of why only ten percent of such incidents result in a suspect being accused. "The Panel recommends that the Home Office require police forces nationwide to record such incidents using the current Metropolitan police model of categorizing such incidents as both racist and anti-Semitic." It "calls on the Department for Communities and Local Government to commission an annual survey of attitudes and tensions between Britain's communities to be monitored by the Commission for Racial Equality," and places great emphasis on combating anti-Semitism on university campuses and on limiting "traditional broadcast and internet access to racist, including anti-Semitic, material."
One of the more interesting chapters of the report deals with the public mood in Britain, which, according to the authors, changes markedly "when Jews are discussed, whether in print or broadcast, at universities, or in public or social settings." The report warns against the growth of a "new anti-Semitism" that transfers the traditional stereotypes about Jews to Israel, as a Zionist state. "We heard evidence that contemporary anti-Semitism in Britain is now more commonly found on the left of the political spectrum than on the right."
MacShane believes that the academic boycott of Israel by the Association of University Teachers (which was later reversed) and the decision by the Anglican Church to re-examine its investments in companies with ties to the Israel Defense Forces contribute to anti- Semitism. He said the decision to focus on Israel while ignoring all the non-democratic regimes in the world is hypocritical and contributes to the Jews' feeling like "second-class citizens" who are spurned by certain elements in the country.
The publication of the report coincides with the celebration this month of the 350th anniversary of the Jewish presence in Britain. "I've been here for 11 years and I never thought it would get so bad," said Linda Cohen, an Israeli who was assaulted about two weeks ago in an anti-Semitic incident in the largely Jewish London neighborhood of Golders Green. Cohen, the owner of a Jewish-Israeli cafe, said, "I didn't know there was anti-Semitism in Britain until two young men assaulted me verbally and physically after asking whether this was a Jewish cafe."
According to the report, anti-Semitism in contemporary Britain is a complex issue. "Anti-Semitism is not one-dimensional. It is perpetrated in different ways by different groups within society and for this reason it is hard to identify."
MacShane hopes the report will draw a lot of attention to the situation of Britain's Jewish community. He says another MP on the committee told him that his constituents are completely unaware of the things heard by the panel over the last year.
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The south is most certainly full of Anglo-Saxon Christians who are right on the Israel issue. I'm not sure if they fully understand it or if its just religion that is driving them, but they are nevertheless taking the correct position to support Israel all the way.
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I'm told by many that the south & western rural areas of the USA are the only parts of REAL America left.
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The North East is more liberal than the south. Though the North East is full of intelligent people, they are the types who support the Democrats. I'm not sure about the West, that's where the neo-nazi types all go, but I suppose the rest of it is okay.
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I'm told by many that the south & western rural areas of the USA are the only parts of REAL America left.
No place here in America is 100% and parts of the south are not what they use to be. In the Eastern South the blacks are much more out of hand than they are here in the North. I have found blacks there to be Ni...ers with an attitude. The whites there put up with nonsense from them that white folks here in New York would never tolerate without telling them where to go. The whole south is infested with wetbacks who work for less than nothing being what most of the white folks there work for. The southwest is lost to the wetbacks due to their great numbers. White folks that live there should consider tossing in the towel and moving out because soon it will be considered part of Mexico. The illegals have said they are taking the southwest back and they are doing a very effective job. About the only hope thats left is the hart land and some of the central Northern states. Even there the changes are visible. North or South I am bias on this however I really feel we are still far better off in the North.
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The south is most certainly full of Anglo-Saxon Christians who are right on the Israel issue. I'm not sure if they fully understand it or if its just religion that is driving them, but they are nevertheless taking the correct position to support Israel all the way.
Actually, the South is overwhelmingly Scottish and Scots-Irish.