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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: Boeregeneraal on April 15, 2008, 10:33:34 PM
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Shalom all
What's your all' thoughts on Astral Projection?
Is it kosher?
(http://www.witchcraftmagic.com/images/astralproj.jpg)
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Re: "...What's your all' thoughts on Astral Projection?..."
Ask lubab if the concept is found in Jewish metaphysics.
My guess is that some form of the concept is found somewhere in Jewish mysticism.
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One thing that it proves, is that there IS a soul, and we are not merely humans
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I couldn't find anything on Judaism and astral projection....
but Judaism does believe in a soul (Neshama) apart from a body... I know that.
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Im just scared id brake the rules of live as a human
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I think it's horrible and no one should do it. I think it's a form of sorcery. I know a lot of people don't believe in demons here but I think they're real personally. If you leave your body something else can enter it while you're away. Plus going into altered states puts you in a vulnerable position spiritually.
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It's quite possible ruby!
I read that the US gov attempted experiments where they would attempt to transfer souls into new bodies :o
I know a lot of people don't believe in demons here but I think they're real personally
yes ofcourse theyre real. They were the one-thrs (or quartre) of the angels that were allied to lucifer when he was cast out, and they were also cast out, and so they became demons.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE_w48-hIoU&NR=1
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I was thinking that such a technology would certainly be useful to the government. Imagine being stuck inside an animal or a paraplegic while you see your body walking around committing horrible acts and saying things you would never say.
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it's priceless for the government. I mean, even without transplating the soul, whiole the soul is in free flight, Imagine what intelligence it could do! This is some heavy stuff!
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it's priceless for the government. I mean, even without transplating the soul, whiole the soul is in free flight, Imagine what intelligence it could do! This is some heavy stuff!
They had a remote viewing program but I think it ended up being a failure. At least that's what the official story is. :laugh:
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Another thing that fascinates me, remote viewing!
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Personally, I think it's possible the government had a program having to do with astral projection!
Unfortunately, I doubt we will really know what goes on in our governments :-\
Who knows what kind of technology that exists today! 8)
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well did u guyz ever hear of Lucid Dreaming?I beleve you can enter an astral projection trough a LD
And i don't rly beleve in deamons,logicaly,thats an ilusion manifested by the human emotions
And i myself have tried getting lucid dreams,there are alot of ways("alot")
If you are interested,i can tell you a few things that can start you off in that direction
And don't worry,somebody can enter your body when you sleep evin(depends,but i don't know that much about it)mostly ppl when they are near death get "visitors",if your interested,i can share something more abou this topic :)
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This guy down the street sent off his money to all these nut-jobs in California and they mailed him all of these "strange" occult booklets about how to make his soul leave his body at will.
Anyway, he practiced and practiced these archane rituals.
Then, one night, it finally worked!
Right after he went to sleep, his soul sat up, climbed out of his body, and walked downtown to enjoy a cheap hamburger dinner.
Then he walked home, only to find that he had locked the front door behind him, and had forgotten to take his keys!
He pounded on the front door, and repeatedly rang the doorbell; all to no avail!
His body couldn't wake up and let him in, because his soul was outside his house!
The next afternoon, the Sears delivery truck came by to deliver a new Kenmore washer/dryer set, peered through the window, saw a lifeless body laying in bed, and called the police.
An ambulance was sent over, forced their way into the home, removed the body, and took it to the city morgue.
This story is true.
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well did u guyz ever hear of Lucid Dreaming?I beleve you can enter an astral projection trough a LD
And i don't rly beleve in deamons,logicaly,thats an ilusion manifested by the human emotions
And i myself have tried getting lucid dreams,there are alot of ways("alot")
If you are interested,i can tell you a few things that can start you off in that direction
And don't worry,somebody can enter your body when you sleep evin(depends,but i don't know that much about it)mostly ppl when they are near death get "visitors",if your interested,i can share something more abou this topic :)
I've had lucid dreams before but they always came when I wasn't trying to get them.
I don't think it's a good idea to try to get them but if they happen then enjoy them.
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not half lucid dream,i mean u intended it,and LDs aren't only used so naively,tho for things like astral projections you have have a feel,a sence if you will,and its not a ritual with candils etc,thats a dogma,and astral projections aren't walking down the street eating a hamburger,it isn't at all material
-trues story?how would anybody know about it then? :P
and i beleve that jews aren't naive when it comes to things like astral projections,if nothing i think they used them long time b4
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Shalom Nikola
Yes please! Im very interested in this! Have you had it yourself?
mmmm...Massuh I don't really thnk that's a true story. Why, because the astral can walk through walls, and how could a astral eat a true burger? lol
Good try though
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Boeregeneraal: "...mmmm...Massuh I don't really thnk that's a true story. Why, because the astral can walk through walls, and how could a astral eat a true burger?..."
NO!
You're wrong!
He couldn't walk through walls because he never finished reading the instruction books!
And, he went downtown and had dinner at "Astro-Burger"...it's a new franchise.
It wasn't the hamburger, per se, that he ate, but it was the "soul" of the hamburger...the other customers could see a hamburger rising into the air and hear chomping and smacking noises coming from it!
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:::D
i sorry, but I just don't believe that
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lol,verry interesting Massuh xD
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so Nikola, Im VERY interested to hear :)
Have you ever had one?
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This is very freaky, not sure I believe it. Never even heard about it before to be honest.
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Mabey,once,if that evin was a AP,tho i was like 3 years old,but i have some xp with things like that
Well it was more like a dream as i remember,i'm in a metro(something like a NY metro,tho i never seen a metro at that age)but the sorounding isn't that imp,it feels like there is verry little room,tho there is a dead body lieing there(as i said i probobly never seen it at that age(i mean on tv atleest))and a puddle of blood,on his stomach,his face faceing to the other sid from me(i couldn't see it,tho i think it had short hair)i come near it,i duck down to reach the hand,and as i grab it i feel it is verry cold,and whats most imp,when i tuched it,it felt like,when you lats say sit on your hand for like 2h,it feels like it isn't yours,but your nervs still are there and feel only alittle,and i push his hand ageinst my cheak,and it feels....verry strange
I can tell you more on the subject,but i'd have to start from somewhere else
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Mabey,once,if that evin was a AP,tho i was like 3 years old,but i have some xp with things like that
Well it was more like a dream as i remember,i'm in a metro(something like a NY metro,tho i never seen a metro at that age)but the sorounding isn't that imp,it feels like there is verry little room,tho there is a dead body lieing there(as i said i probobly never seen it at that age(i mean on tv atleest))and a puddle of blood,on his stomach,his face faceing to the other sid from me(i couldn't see it,tho i think it had short hair)i come near it,i duck down to reach the hand,and as i grab it i feel it is verry cold,and whats most imp,when i tuched it,it felt like,when you lats say sit on your hand for like 2h,it feels like it isn't yours,but your nervs still are there and feel only alittle,and i push his hand ageinst my cheak,and it feels....verry strange
I can tell you more on the subject,but i'd have to start from somewhere else
Very interesting...
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Mabey,once,if that evin was a AP,tho i was like 3 years old,but i have some xp with things like that
Well it was more like a dream as i remember,i'm in a metro(something like a NY metro,tho i never seen a metro at that age)but the sorounding isn't that imp,it feels like there is verry little room,tho there is a dead body lieing there(as i said i probobly never seen it at that age(i mean on tv atleest))and a puddle of blood,on his stomach,his face faceing to the other sid from me(i couldn't see it,tho i think it had short hair)i come near it,i duck down to reach the hand,and as i grab it i feel it is verry cold,and whats most imp,when i tuched it,it felt like,when you lats say sit on your hand for like 2h,it feels like it isn't yours,but your nervs still are there and feel only alittle,and i push his hand ageinst my cheak,and it feels....verry strange
I can tell you more on the subject,but i'd have to start from somewhere else
wow. And you were only 3 years old?
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i think thats my farthest memory back,and i think i was somewhere around 3 yes
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ok, and have you resarched the subject a bit?
Have you tried to induce it?
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Everything you think you accomplising with this is nothing more than mind-games you are playing on yourself.
You should stay away from such practicies as they will make you into a fool or will make you completely insane. Research "sensory deprivation". That is all these practices will do for you. You are just drugging yourself up basically.
All of these practices were once based on a true version of the thing but as they are done today they have absolutely no validity and can do a lot of harm.
If someone wants to do meditation because he is suffering from some sort of mental illness that might be appropriate but should be done under medical supervision and should not be done for longer than twenty minutes and it should be done for scientific purposes having nothing to do with religion or spirituality.
I think someone already said it here on this forum and it's pretty close to the truth: there are no outer body experiences, only out of mind experiences.
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Lubab no matter what the reasons for it I'm just glad someone else is trying to tell people to stay away from this stuff.
You're a rabbi right? Could you please answer this question for me?
Would astral projection and things like it be considered a form of sorcery and therefore abomination?
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Lubab no matter what the reasons for it I'm just glad someone else is trying to tell people to stay away from this stuff.
You're a rabbi right? Could you please answer this question for me?
Would astral projection and things like it be considered a form of sorcery and therefore abomination?
It's not the real kind of sorcery that the Torah refers to it is more in the category of "foolishness", but in the sense that this foolishness takes people further from the true G-d I would say it is a sin to engage in it. It can easily lead to idolatry as people will mistake their delusions with G-dly experience and get all kinds of false ideas about G-d.
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Shalom Dear Lubab
Toda for replying here. So astral projection of today has been perverted? And the older astral projection is not a sin. I understand it possibly in this view in that modern day AP is being advertised and promoted on hippy and nudists.
So if one undertakes an AP for scientific reasons, it would not be a sin?
Say one undertakes an AP to visit one's (living) family far away?
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It's not the real kind of sorcery that the Torah refers to it is more in the category of "foolishness", but in the sense that this foolishness takes people further from the true G-d I would say it is a sin to engage in it. It can easily lead to idolatry as people will mistake their delusions with G-dly experience and get all kinds of false ideas about G-d.
Thanks for the answer. :)
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well earlyer they said this is witchcraft,its a sin,the earth isn't the center of the univers,etc and this is another dogma,becous,you know,as they say,knowledge is power,and the apple in the garden of Eden is a metafore for knowledge
And yes,AP can be dangerous,somebody can "mind-rape" you,and that becomeing insane thing,it depends on you how are you gonna see something you expirianced,and if there is something your "body" can't see(like a diferent colour or what not(this is another theory seeing another colour etc))you won't see it at all,and induceing AP,it isn't chanting,you don't have to do rituals,thats just dumb,i think it can simply be done from a lucid dream
And i don't really beleve in god,well i don't beleve in angles devils etc etc,but there is somebody who created us(probably not as spasificly as i wrote)as well as atoms and small things witch are really complicated as hell,genial in they'r existance,happened by chance,thats just insain,did a formation from trilionz opon trilions of those atoms fall in place to create something as genial as a free thinking choncusnesch,and i think we need to further our chonchusnes by thinking,thus expanding our possibilities
-there is no such thing as an AP induced by drugs,and cults that try to teach you AP are verry dangerous (sorry for bad spelling ppl :'( )
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Two decades ago there was this Tibetan,Lama Lobsang Ranp os something like that.He wrote many books,mostly Astral Projection.Did books made the best seller.
It went for a few years.
The Lama was a plumber from England.he did made a lots of money!
I am positive there is more on Google from him!
My mother is modest writer,very modest.We children at the time were very upset,that she did not make fantasy like Lama and MONEY!