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April 16, 2008
Jaywalking On J-Street
J-Street, the liberal Jewish answer to AIPAC has burst onto the scene!
Well, sort of. Despite the friendly name (AIPAC sounds stodgy by comparison), J-Street seems wary about showing itself.
If you do a search of the jstreet.org, you’ll find that the domain name is protected by DomainsByProxy.com, unlike AIPAC–doing a whois on their URL gives their address and phone number.
Then there is George Soros:
MoveOn financier George Soros, an initial backer of the concept for the group, pulled out of it, [executive director of J Street, Jeremy] Ben Ami explains, because he thought his presence might ultimately be unhelpful, given his reputation as a bankroller for liberal groups.
Ben Ami is being generous. Actually
Planners remain secretive in large part to avoid a repetition of last year’s controversy. Early reports about an AIPAC competitor that would amalgamate the efforts of the major pro-peace process groups, with possible funding by mega-philanthropist and progressive activist George Soros, produced a storm of unwanted publicity and scared off some potential participants.
All you need to do is look at Soros’ previous work:
A study that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros.
Soros, 77, provided almost half the nearly $100,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. Its claim was 10 times higher than consensus estimates of the number of war dead.
The study, published in 2006, was hailed by antiwar campaigners as evidence of the scale of the disaster caused by the invasion, but Downing Street and President George Bush challenged its methodology.
New research published by The New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 people - less than a quarter of The Lancet estimate - have died since the invasion in 2003. [emphasis added]
But that doesn’t mean that J-Street eschews all leftists–just that they will play down their positions on Israel. Noah Pollak, who participated in a journalists conference with J-Street notes:
J Street places near the top of its list of supporters someone named Avram Burg, who may not ring a bell to many Americans, but who is notorious in Israel. Burg advocates, among other things, the dissolution of Israel as a Jewish state; recommends that Israeli parents secure foreign passports for their children; and compares Israel today to late 1930’s Germany. When asked during the call why someone like Burg is affiliated with J Street, the group’s proprietors downplayed and misrepresented the man’s radicalism. It is difficult to imagine how the J Streeters believe their organization will be taken seriously as a pro-Israel lobby at the same time they advertise the endorsement of a figure like Avram Burg. [emphasis added]
J-Street itself is not quite as wary about its goals. According to the Washington Post, J Street is going to try something new:
The group is planning to channel political contributions to favored candidates in perhaps a half-dozen campaigns this fall, the first time an organization focused on Israel has tried to play such a direct role in the political process, according to its organizers.
No word yet from Mearsheimer and Walt.
More importantly, while the new group claims to be filling the wide gap left by the ‘right wing’ AIPAC, and representing the majority of American Jews, there are indications that it is J-Street that is need of a reality check:
Some veteran Middle East experts said the new group faces the political reality that many American Jews have become disillusioned over the years with the peace process and what they consider to be the intransigence, hostility and–in some cases–terrorism of would-be PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi partners. While Bush early on in his administration grew skeptical of the peacemaking efforts of President Clinton, he received very little push-back from organized American Jewry.
Martin Indyk, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel and the director of the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at the Brookings Institution, said the group “has a very steep hill to climb because peacemaking has acquired a bad reputation over the years in the Jewish community, and there is a widespread fear that U.S. intervention on behalf of peace will lead to pressure on Israel.” [emphasis added]
Thus Democratic fundraiser Alan Solomont’s claim that
the definition of what it means to be pro-Israel has come to diverge from pursuing a peace settlement
could be more accurately be expressed as:
the definition of what it means to be pro-Israel has come to diverge from guaranteeing Israel’s security from terrorism.
Eric Trager has challenged the assumptions underlying J Street on two levels:
Firstly, the claim that the majority of American Jews is contradicted by the fact that support for a PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazi state cuts across Democratic/Republican lines. On the other hand, 58% of American Jews oppose compromise on Jerusalem–the step required by Abbas in order to ‘make peace.’
Secondly, the avenue for change in Israeli policy in terms of settlements is in addressing the Israeli government and the Israeli voting public directly–not through lobbying the US to apply pressure on Israel. Along those lines, it should be noted that the group claims:
20 prominent Israelis, including former top officials of the Shin Bet, Mossad and the foreign ministry, have signed a letter supporting J Street.
So with such support in Israel, why go after the US politicians–is the goal of J Street to back the Israeli public–or bypass it altogether?
Bottom line, nothing should be taken for granted when it comes to J-Street.
Starting with its relevance.
Crossposted on Daled Amos
IF YOU GO TO LINK I POSTED ABOVE THERE ARE MANY LINKS ON THIS ARTICLE
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HERES SOME OF THE SUPPORTERS ALL WELL KNOWN LEFTISTS
http://www.jstreet.org/supporters/advisory_council
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Absolut idiots.
They don't understand the nature of the Muzzie and the other antisemites.
They think if we do this or that (even surrendering Jerusalem), then will be peace ::D
The truth is that the peace will come with the Messias. There is absolut nothing Israel can do to appease the Muzzies or other Jewhaters.
The Israelis have only the choice to defend themselve with strenght or to have a new Holocaust.
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Absolut idiots.
They don't understand the nature of the Muzzie and the other antisemites.
They think if we do this or that (even surrendering Jerusalem), then will be peace ::D
The truth is that the peace will come with the Messias. There is absolut nothing Israel can do to appease the Muzzies or other Jewhaters.
The Israelis have only the choice to defend themselve with strenght or to have a new Holocaust.
This is exactlly right but most are atheists even the Rabbis since they are reform 'rabbis' i have heard reform rabbis say they don'nt beleive in G-D.They hide who they get money from like George Soros
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On the Israpundit site, it lists other sites that it recommends. Why doesn't it list JTF?
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On the Israpundit site, it lists other sites that it recommends. Why doesn't it list JTF?
Idon'nt know, i know the person who runs the site used to post here from time to time.
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Absolut idiots.
They don't understand the nature of the Muzzie and the other antisemites.
They think if we do this or that (even surrendering Jerusalem), then will be peace ::D
The truth is that the peace will come with the Messias. There is absolut nothing Israel can do to appease the Muzzies or other Jewhaters.
The Israelis have only the choice to defend themselve with strenght or to have a new Holocaust.
This is exactlly right but most are atheists even the Rabbis since they are reform 'rabbis' i have heard reform rabbis say they don'nt beleive in G-D.They hide who they get money from like George Soros
They should organise a big referendum in Israel : " do you want to experience another Holocaust ?".
I'm sure they would vote "yes", if the leftists would command them to do so, arguing it would be a nazi policy to "force the palisitinas out of paleSStine".
This kind of traitors are much worse then the muslims themselves.
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Absolut idiots.
They don't understand the nature of the Muzzie and the other antisemites.
They think if we do this or that (even surrendering Jerusalem), then will be peace ::D
The truth is that the peace will come with the Messias. There is absolut nothing Israel can do to appease the Muzzies or other Jewhaters.
The Israelis have only the choice to defend themselve with strenght or to have a new Holocaust.
This is exactlly right but most are atheists even the Rabbis since they are reform 'rabbis' i have heard reform rabbis say they don'nt beleive in G-D.They hide who they get money from like George Soros
They should organise a big referendum in Israel : " do you want to experience another Holocaust ?".
I'm sure they would vote "yes", if the leftists would command them to do so, arguing it would be a nazi policy to "force the palisitinas out of paleSStine".
This kind of traitors are much worse then the muslims themselves.
Thats actually a good idea it would be a very blunt poll but it would awake many Israeli middle of road people to face reality
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Absolut idiots.
They don't understand the nature of the Muzzie and the other antisemites.
They think if we do this or that (even surrendering Jerusalem), then will be peace ::D
The truth is that the peace will come with the Messias. There is absolut nothing Israel can do to appease the Muzzies or other Jewhaters.
The Israelis have only the choice to defend themselve with strenght or to have a new Holocaust.
This is exactlly right but most are atheists even the Rabbis since they are reform 'rabbis' i have heard reform rabbis say they don'nt beleive in G-D.They hide who they get money from like George Soros
They should organise a big referendum in Israel : " do you want to experience another Holocaust ?".
I'm sure they would vote "yes", if the leftists would command them to do so, arguing it would be a nazi policy to "force the palisitinas out of paleSStine".
This kind of traitors are much worse then the muslims themselves.
Thats actually a good idea it would be a very blunt poll but it would awake many Israeli middle of road people to face reality
ok I'll put it in the ask JTF thread.
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Yes excellent idea O0
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http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=19499.msg219958#msg219958
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http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=19499.msg219958#msg219958
GREAT I WISH WE COULD FIND A NEWSPAPER TO POST IT
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Yekutiel was imprisoned for six months for proposing similar referendum:
Six-Month Sentence for Asking: Should We Expel Arabs or Jews?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125685
Israeli democracy is more and more similar to EU.
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JUST LOOK AT THE LETTERS OF PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THIS GROUP AMAZING
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/04/7968_new_liberal_pro.html
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WHAT IF WE ORGANISE THIS VIA WEBSITES?
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WHAT IF WE ORGANISE THIS VIA WEBSITES?
IF WE CAN FIND ONE
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The Sho'a (The Holocaust) is the most sacred word in modern Israel. The way that the polling question is phrased will get a very negative reaction even by right wingers. It is simply too provocative for Israeli public.
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The Sho'a (The Holocaust) is the most sacred word in modern Israel. The way that the polling question is phrased will get a very negative reaction even by right wingers. It is simply too provocative for Israeli public.
I understand, but would Kahane himself refuse to use this phrasing in order to wake up the Israeli?!
It seems that a wake up call is necessary.
BTW, the same counts for the whole Western World.
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So use the word genocide
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The Sho'a (The Holocaust) is the most sacred word in modern Israel. The way that the polling question is phrased will get a very negative reaction even by right wingers. It is simply too provocative for Israeli public.
I understand, but would Kahane himself refuse to use this phrasing in order to wake up the Israeli?!
It seems that a wake up call is necessary.
BTW, the same counts for the whole Western World.
I really don't know, if we are trying to wake up sheeple we have to approach them in a way that won't trigger their automatic conditioning or they will not listen. I never herd of Kahane using the term in Hebrew although in America he used to warn american Jews that there could be another holocaust even in hospitable America.
Chaim do use the Sho'a term in his hebrew programs, and I actually think it should be done less frequent so that the impact won't devalue. Anyway in the programs there is more context and so it sounds less provocative.
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The Sho'a (The Holocaust) is the most sacred word in modern Israel. The way that the polling question is phrased will get a very negative reaction even by right wingers. It is simply too provocative for Israeli public.
I understand, but would Kahane himself refuse to use this phrasing in order to wake up the Israeli?!
It seems that a wake up call is necessary.
BTW, the same counts for the whole Western World.
I really don't know, if we are trying to wake up sheeple we have to approach them in a way that won't trigger their automatic conditioning or they will not listen. I never herd of Kahane using the term in Hebrew although in America he used to warn american Jews that there could be another holocaust even in hospitable America.
Chaim do use the Sho'a term in his hebrew programs, and I actually think it should be done less frequent so that the impact won't devalue. Anyway in the programs there is more context and so it sounds less provocative.
OK thanks a lot for giving all that info on the subject.
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The Sho'a (The Holocaust) is the most sacred word in modern Israel. The way that the polling question is phrased will get a very negative reaction even by right wingers. It is simply too provocative for Israeli public.
I understand, but would Kahane himself refuse to use this phrasing in order to wake up the Israeli?!
It seems that a wake up call is necessary.
BTW, the same counts for the whole Western World.
I AGREE. What Israel IS facing, is an upcoming holocaust, as is America, If we DONT stop it. Words.. Words..Words.. That is what the LEFTISTS USE to keep people in BONDAGE. It is what it is. If people saw the UNRIGHTEOUS anger and murdering hearts of stone of leftists in USA today in political chat-rooms for instance, they would RUN, NOT walk to the conservative side. In 1930's Germany, people had to 'not say certain words' I realize the severity and the sacredness of this word- but what would the people say that were murdered by Hitler? I believe that they would say: NEVER SHUT UP- NEVER SURRENDER- IT IS WHAT IT IS- GET ON THE OFFENSE!! YOU MUST FIGHT AGAINST THIS FOR YOUR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
That is what they would say. I believe it. It is AMAZING to me that the same party which brought us to victory in WW2, is actually LEFTIST.. This........is DISGUSTING. Call it what you must, but I say: It is what it is. I am NOT going to be bound by words- AINT HAPPENIN. I am who I am, BECAUSE of my ancestry, and with a 'humble' pride, (if you will) I will say: Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death, I have NOT yet begun to FIGHT.