Cool! Thanks מאיר כהן
I love the fact that we collaborated with Israel!!
Cool! Thanks מאיר כהן
I love the fact that we collaborated with Israel!!
Ah the Galil is a beautiful weapon. I hear the new SANDF has new camo and still uses the Galil but I hear that they are no where near as well trained as the old SADF.
It's a shame Israel stopped supporting South Africa, I think it was somewhere in the 80's that they finally stopped selling weapons to them.
Cool! Thanks מאיר כהן
I love the fact that we collaborated with Israel!!
Ah the Galil is a beautiful weapon. I hear the new SANDF has new camo and still uses the Galil but I hear that they are no where near as well trained as the old SADF.
It's a shame Israel stopped supporting South Africa, I think it was somewhere in the 80's that they finally stopped selling weapons to them.
I used the R4 in the SADF in Namibia in the 1980's.
The new SANDF is pathetic! It has poor training and no discipline!
The parade grounds are even overgrown with weeds!
I felt very comfortable with the R4, the R5 is not as heavy. In training with the R4 in the SADF, at first it seemed heavy but within no time you get very used to it! I really like the R4 and wish I owned one, but now in South Africa it would be illegal to own one!
This government is making it very difficult to own ANY weapons at all!
Very cool article! O0
I look forward to the day when South Africa becomes a better place to live ;)
You know, I get this feeling in my haert, proudness, happyness and all those nice feelings, when I think about hopw our great peoples worked together, and really conquered the world...literally! G-D looks favourably upon our two peoples and our other righteous people's (eg americans, canadians, serbians etc) and how WE WILL be VICTORIOUS!!!
Great post ARISE...as always
I hope one day the whites will take control of South Africa once again. Though I thought that will happen anytime soon.
YES!!!
btw, great photo's Pilman! Where did you find them?
Your absolutely right ARISE! It is vital that the timing is right....
@ Pilman, oh I see. Theire beautiful pictures, and equally beautiful weapons! Last time I did a search on google for the R series, I only got a few not so good pictures, which also lacked in quantity
Your absolutely right ARISE! It is vital that the timing is right....
@ Pilman, oh I see. Theire beautiful pictures, and equally beautiful weapons! Last time I did a search on google for the R series, I only got a few not so good pictures, which also lacked in quantity
Personally I find it strange that the SADF used the R4 as a standard weapon, one would think that the weapon would have been quite heavy with a bipod as it seemed somewhat unnecessary, but maybe it was useful in the bush? The Israelis used the Galil ARM with bipod but then slowly adapted to the AR variant with the longer barrel and no bipod to reduce weight, tank operators were given the SAR (which is the R5 in South Africa) with shorter 13" barrel for ultra compactness. Eventually Galil was phased out in Israel with the exception of tank crew and some special operations teams but most are using M4 now or Tavor.
Your absolutely right ARISE! It is vital that the timing is right....
@ Pilman, oh I see. Theire beautiful pictures, and equally beautiful weapons! Last time I did a search on google for the R series, I only got a few not so good pictures, which also lacked in quantity
Personally I find it strange that the SADF used the R4 as a standard weapon, one would think that the weapon would have been quite heavy with a bipod as it seemed somewhat unnecessary, but maybe it was useful in the bush? The Israelis used the Galil ARM with bipod but then slowly adapted to the AR variant with the longer barrel and no bipod to reduce weight, tank operators were given the SAR (which is the R5 in South Africa) with shorter 13" barrel for ultra compactness. Eventually Galil was phased out in Israel with the exception of tank crew and some special operations teams but most are using M4 now or Tavor.
We used the R4 originally then changed to the R5!
The infantry and other units used the R5 generally, other units which did not see too much action used the R4.
Sometimes certain soldiers even used the Ak47 by choice, usually some of the Recces!
Your absolutely right ARISE! It is vital that the timing is right....
@ Pilman, oh I see. Theire beautiful pictures, and equally beautiful weapons! Last time I did a search on google for the R series, I only got a few not so good pictures, which also lacked in quantity
The R4 is basically the same as the Galil ARM variant.
The only differences are the gas tube (on the R4 it has a lip), the stock is longer (because average south african is taller than Israeli though I've heard many preferred the shorter Israeli stock), the front sight is much bigger, the dust cover is a bit thicker, and the gas tube appears to be a little different for more efficient gas system. Handguard is also much longer. It's slightly improved over the original Galil. Sadly the R4/R5/R6 haven't been produced for quite some time which is somewhat awkward because that is currently standard issue in SANDF. They are trying to produce a bullpup design called the Vektor CR-21.
(http://www.conjay.com/Vektor_CR21_Right.JPG)
Notice the Galil receiver in the picture and the CR21 body disassembled?
(http://liveguns.ru/files/guns/vektor_cr_21/02.JPG)
The Vektor CR-21 is basically the Galil but shorter configuration, the milled receiver is inside the polymer body.
I don't know the status of the CR-21 but the fact that South Africa isn't currently producing any of the R4's/R5's or R6's is a little...confusing. I can understand the R1 not being made anymore (The FN FAL) but theres no explanation otherwise. I highly doubt South Africa will adapt the Israeli TAR-21 either since the government currently has bad ties with Israel.
Personally I find it strange that the SADF used the R4 as a standard weapon, one would think that the weapon would have been quite heavy with a bipod as it seemed somewhat unnecessary, but maybe it was useful in the bush? The Israelis used the Galil ARM with bipod but then slowly adapted to the AR variant with the longer barrel and no bipod to reduce weight, tank operators were given the SAR (which is the R5 in South Africa) with shorter 13" barrel for ultra compactness. Eventually Galil was phased out in Israel with the exception of tank crew and some special operations teams but most are using M4 now or Tavor.
Your absolutely right ARISE! It is vital that the timing is right....
@ Pilman, oh I see. Theire beautiful pictures, and equally beautiful weapons! Last time I did a search on google for the R series, I only got a few not so good pictures, which also lacked in quantity
The R4 is basically the same as the Galil ARM variant.
The only differences are the gas tube (on the R4 it has a lip), the stock is longer (because average south african is taller than Israeli though I've heard many preferred the shorter Israeli stock), the front sight is much bigger, the dust cover is a bit thicker, and the gas tube appears to be a little different for more efficient gas system. Handguard is also much longer. It's slightly improved over the original Galil. Sadly the R4/R5/R6 haven't been produced for quite some time which is somewhat awkward because that is currently standard issue in SANDF. They are trying to produce a bullpup design called the Vektor CR-21.
(http://www.conjay.com/Vektor_CR21_Right.JPG)
Notice the Galil receiver in the picture and the CR21 body disassembled?
(http://liveguns.ru/files/guns/vektor_cr_21/02.JPG)
The Vektor CR-21 is basically the Galil but shorter configuration, the milled receiver is inside the polymer body.
I don't know the status of the CR-21 but the fact that South Africa isn't currently producing any of the R4's/R5's or R6's is a little...confusing. I can understand the R1 not being made anymore (The FN FAL) but theres no explanation otherwise. I highly doubt South Africa will adapt the Israeli TAR-21 either since the government currently has bad ties with Israel.
Personally I find it strange that the SADF used the R4 as a standard weapon, one would think that the weapon would have been quite heavy with a bipod as it seemed somewhat unnecessary, but maybe it was useful in the bush? The Israelis used the Galil ARM with bipod but then slowly adapted to the AR variant with the longer barrel and no bipod to reduce weight, tank operators were given the SAR (which is the R5 in South Africa) with shorter 13" barrel for ultra compactness. Eventually Galil was phased out in Israel with the exception of tank crew and some special operations teams but most are using M4 now or Tavor.
The gun in this picture has bull-pup configuration like IMI Tavor and unlike IMI Galil which has traditional action and stock.
Great discussion guys!!!!
Yes, South Africa's weapons industry was state of the art! You know we had the Eland's, and they were very small little things, but we used them against state of the art Russian T-55's etc. The Elands could creep up on the tanks, and start flanking them, and would then shoot the tanks most vulnerable part, the rear. Once the cubans or russians got the fright of their lives and sprang to action, the elands would continually drive in a circle around the tank, and shoot at it. Ofcourse, because the elands were driving so quickly in a circular motion around the tank, it was nearly impossible for the tank to hit the eland, which would be destroyed completely in one hit, whereas the elands calibre was smaller, and needed several hits to punch out the tanks. One cuban after the war whom was lucky to survive the tactics said something like this "the elands were like little cockroaches (the elands is very small, and a rather unorthodox shape) running around us and bitting little chunks off us, and we were unable to do anything about it!"
Arise, are you able to get any SADF surplus gear? I collect military equipment (LBV's, Helmets, Boots, Uniforms, Camo, etc.) I was wondering if you had your hands to access on any of these? I have the helmet but those lbv's used by the SADF were pretty cool. Wouldn't mind some camo either but their hard to find.
now at fist this tiny "cockroach" appears useless against a russian tank, especially in calibre and armour. But the eland has speed, stealth and little exposure. Now if you look at the pic, you will see the typical savannah grass compared to the eland...and you can see how easy it is for the eland to sneek up right behind those idiots in the tank. Now the largest factor that detrermined success, was we hadwhites behind the wheel....which says it all O0 but above all, G-D was on our side
yes absolutely!!!
And I mean that eland was sooo quiet,I mean just imagine what gun crews hear in their loud tanks....and then comes this wheeled AT 'car'