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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: takebackourtemple on May 05, 2008, 06:58:51 PM
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I don't have time to discuss this now, but the article says a lot.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080505/ap_on_re_us/obit_loving
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Not sure what the issue is, if people of different race want to marry, that's their own personal decision.
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Not sure what the issue is, if people of different race want to marry, that's their own personal decision.
Bah..there's no issue.
Interracial marriage is absolutely OK.
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She is pretty for a black woman.
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080505/capt.da9f38fa96fa41a18183f28e262d4ebb.obit_loving_ny109.jpg?x=400&y=313&sig=yMsPFhuOkiiqi0IMJFqc6Q--)
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She is pretty for a black woman.
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080505/capt.da9f38fa96fa41a18183f28e262d4ebb.obit_loving_ny109.jpg?x=400&y=313&sig=yMsPFhuOkiiqi0IMJFqc6Q--)
hihihi! I've seen better looking specimens ;)
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I have nothing against interracial marriage, provided that the offspring identify primarily (or exclusively) with the better half.
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Keep in mind that he was 17 and courting her when she was 11. This was not a normal marriage.
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Keep in mind that he was 17 and courting her when she was 11. This was not a normal marriage.
Maybe they were Muslims?
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Not sure what the issue is, if people of different race want to marry, that's their own personal decision.
Agreed
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I don't believe in miscegenation. I think people should love and honor their own culture by sticking with their own. I don't think anyone's going to hell for it, and I wouldn't go so far as to legally ban it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or think it's right. I have very strong negative feelings about this topic.
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I guess I can't say interracial marriage should be outright banned(like gay marriages should be) since there are exceptions, but most of these relationships are not legitimate. They usually end up with the woman being abused. Even more so when she is the white one. Of course Eminem is a case where the black woman is the one that gets abused. Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF84pIhP5UM
Unless there is a strong religious link, the kids also lose their identity.
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I have no problem with it because my cousin married a Filipino woman and she is a very nice personAnd i have another cousin who married a Puerto Rican woman and she is very nice as well as long as they are good people and they love each other who are we to judge.
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I not happy they were made legal to begin with, but I'm not seeking to outright ban them now.
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I don't have any problems with it. If they're both righteous and come from a righteous culture and have very righteous conservative beliefs I don't see much of a problem with it at all. More important is the culture surrounding the peoples. I know some people want to preserve certain classic rare looks and physical characteristics for their own peoples to those different peoples that might be extinct in the future because of the melting pot and people mixing, so I guess some people are against it for that reason, which I understand. Others are just racist Nazis and want to ban interracial marriage and are against it for some weird "Pure" Nazi Eugenic beliefs and for their own purposes. Overall, I think it's more about the culture. I love all righteousness of all righteous backgrounds blending together O0
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as long as its not a Jew marrying a non-Jew, I have no problem
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as long as its not a Jew marrying a non-Jew, I have no problem
Definitely, more importantly O0
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as long as its not a Jew marrying a non-Jew, I have no problem
Definitely, more importantly O0
You don't want Jews to marry non-Jews partly because it will mean the disappearance of the Jews as a people, or if God would not allow that, at least diminish their numbers signficantly. Intermarriage to non-Jews is as deadly to Jews as a people as any Holocaust.
I don't want whites marrying out because it harms the numbers of whites, among other reasons. It's not evil to want your people to survive. I want there to be people who look like me, share my heritage, and share my white culture.
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I don't believe in miscegenation. I think people should love and honor their own culture by sticking with their own. I don't think anyone's going to hell for it, and I wouldn't go so far as to legally ban it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or think it's right. I have very strong negative feelings about this topic.
If thats what you believe then fine. But you can't force that decision on anyone else, let alone two consenting adults.
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I've heard of that DanBenNoah, but I have a hard time believing she was black. I think she might have had a darker skin tone but I don't believe she was black. Besides I think Jews are the exception because when someone becomes Jewish they become part of a separate nation, a separate people. As Chaim said, it's not exactly a race, but it is a distinct people.
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I guess I should stay out of this threaD lol.
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They criticized him because she was beautiful (Kushit in that context.), yet he was seperated from her so he would remain ritually pure at all times because he didn't know when G-d would talk to him.
Thanks for the insight Yacov.
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(http://studioclub.com/images/mgMMcCooBilly2001.jpg)
marylyn mccoo is the prettiest one, but she's rare
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I don't believe in miscegenation. I think people should love and honor their own culture by sticking with their own. I don't think anyone's going to hell for it, and I wouldn't go so far as to legally ban it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or think it's right. I have very strong negative feelings about this topic.
In a way, i agree...people of similar cultures are less likely to find conflict in their marraiges...i mean, it's not just religion.
However, as long as they are the same religion, if a man and a woman love each other and will make way for a loving household, irregardless of race or culture, it really ought not make a difference. Likewise, some people are attracted to certain physical being...so i say, live and let live.
Now, within that whole mess, there are exceptions...so I'll simply say, a good thing is when you have a man and a woman from the same religion who love each other and are righteous on equal levels. (In other words, a rightreous person should never get with a non compatible evil person) Or a great guy shoudl not go with a girl with a questionable life history background.
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I don't believe in miscegenation. I think people should love and honor their own culture by sticking with their own. I don't think anyone's going to hell for it, and I wouldn't go so far as to legally ban it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it or think it's right. I have very strong negative feelings about this topic.
In a way, i agree...people of similar cultures are less likely to find conflict in their marraiges...i mean, it's not just religion.
However, as long as they are the same religion, if a man and a woman love each other and will make way for a loving household, irregardless of race or culture, it really ought not make a difference. Likewise, some people are attracted to certain physical being...so i say, live and let live.
Now, within that whole mess, there are exceptions...so I'll simply say, a good thing is when you have a man and a woman from the same religion who love each other and are righteous on equal levels. (In other words, a rightreous person should never get with a non compatible evil person) Or a great guy shoudl not go with a girl with a questionable life history background.
Excellent and well put, Dr. Dan O0
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I'm sure that Zipporah was Jewish in culture because she accepted the Torah at Sinai along with all the other Jews. So therefore her color doesn't matter, which is why it was possible for Moses to marry her even though she was black. Her culture would have been the same culture as that of Moses. And I'm pretty sure that all the Jews back then would have had a "dark" skin tone when compared to white people, so hers would have been exceptionally dark for the Torah to call her a Cushite. She may not have been African, but it probably would have been hard to tell the difference.
She wasn't black. Kushit means beautiful in that case and has no connection with Ethiopians.
And Jews ARE white. The dark Jewish skin you refer to is dark white.
Correct, Yacov O0
That's true, the majority of Jews are white, but there are also some righteous Black Jews like Ethiopians which are part of righteous Jews as a people.
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Two days ago I bought a book called 'Handbook Of Mathematics'
it's an excellent book that covers everything an engineer needs.
The authors: I. N. Bronshtein and K.A. Semendyayev, European Jews.
http://www.amazon.com/Handbook-Mathematics-I-N-Bronshtein/dp/3540434917
Can't help thinking Jews are a superior race.
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She is pretty for a black woman.
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080505/capt.da9f38fa96fa41a18183f28e262d4ebb.obit_loving_ny109.jpg?x=400&y=313&sig=yMsPFhuOkiiqi0IMJFqc6Q--)
hihihi! I've seen better looking specimens ;)
Yes, but there is a differnce between natural beauty and flossy female chimps. ;D
Some may look nice, but when they start to talk and you see their behaviour you will run.
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as long as its not a Jew marrying a non-Jew, I have no problem
Definitely, more importantly O0
You don't want Jews to marry non-Jews partly because it will mean the disappearance of the Jews as a people, or if G-d would not allow that, at least diminish their numbers signficantly. Intermarriage to non-Jews is as deadly to Jews as a people as any Holocaust.
I don't want whites marrying out because it harms the numbers of whites, among other reasons. It's not evil to want your people to survive. I want there to be people who look like me, share my heritage, and share my white culture.
Right I can understand that. I don't promote interracial marriage nor would I teach my kids to interracial marry. I would hope that whites of European background would feel the same, just that I think if someone wants to interracially marry, we can't stop them and that is a decision of their own although I certainly wouldn't be accepting it or telling others to start interracially marrying.
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I am with Ruby 100% !!! Ruby is a Star! O0
I am completely AGAINST it!!!
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She is pretty for a black woman.
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080505/capt.da9f38fa96fa41a18183f28e262d4ebb.obit_loving_ny109.jpg?x=400&y=313&sig=yMsPFhuOkiiqi0IMJFqc6Q--)
hihihi! I've seen better looking specimens ;)
Yes, but there is a differnce between natural beauty and flossy female chimps. ;D
Some may look nice, but when they start to talk and you see their behaviour you will run.
The woman in that picture was part native american, both of her parents were part native, and she actually considered herself native american.
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I am with Ruby 100% !!! Ruby is a Star! O0
I am completely AGAINST it!!!
Yes! I'm also against it!
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I think its should be a focus of faith/culture, not of race. But that said... I don't think Black Nationalists should spread their seed to unwitting whites, because they know the kids will turn out black. But if Larry Elders married a white woman.. I wouldn't care.
Brian
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I'm sure that Zipporah was Jewish in culture because she accepted the Torah at Sinai along with all the other Jews. So therefore her color doesn't matter, which is why it was possible for Moses to marry her even though she was black. Her culture would have been the same culture as that of Moses. And I'm pretty sure that all the Jews back then would have had a "dark" skin tone when compared to white people, so hers would have been exceptionally dark for the Torah to call her a Cushite. She may not have been African, but it probably would have been hard to tell the difference.
She wasn't black. Kushit means beautiful in that case and has no connection with Ethiopians.
And Jews ARE white. The dark Jewish skin you refer to is dark white.
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Nice try, but how many times in the Tanach does Kushit mean "beautiful"? Yeah, I'm sure Miriam and Aaron were totally steamed that Moses had a "beautiful" wife. There are several rabbinic interpretations of this verse, and the one you mentioned is oddly enough backed up with gematria (because it's easy to contrive things that aren't there through gematria). The other interpretations are the idea that Zipporah's skin was dark like a Cushite's (Rabbi Don Yitzchak Abarbanel), and others say that Moses actually married a Cushite woman who was not Zipporah (who presumably became Jewish similar to how some of the Egyptians did who left Egypt and accepted the Torah along with the Jews, or how Ruth became Jewish). Either of those last 2 interpretations are reasonable because they don't contradict the plain meaning. However, both of them would indicate that Moses married someone who was black or looked like they were black. And one moral of the story is that as long as 2 people have the same culture, it is ok for them to marry, no matter what color they are.
There you go with your Anti-Torah propaganda again. Chaim explained what I said when the moron Anus-T thought Moses married another woman. He had to be separated from his own wife. Why marry another woman?
I think that DanBenNoah's observation is very pertinent....
What do you mean by Anti-Torah propaganda exactly?