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[I will translate it in the evening]
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Featherbrained Broder-slipslop
Published June 3, 2008 Bloggosphäre , Demagogen , Innenansichten , Krieg der Wahrheiten
Tags: Broder, Islamophopie, Neocons, PI
There are people like Henryk M. Broder, who attract a lot of attention for the lowest crap. Broder provides only rubbing surface without substance and is sunning in the generated attention, like a pensioner, who has the life-task to terrorize his neighbours. For me, he is the symbol of one to a Neocon[sic!] mutated former leftwing/liberal intellectual, who has had ideals and something to say before, but then because of personal vain and/or because of the money has took the bait to tell the mighty what they want to hear.
Ans so Broder blabbers about the dangers of "caving in" in front of the "Islamic world-conspiracy", in order to detract from the actual dangers of the "getting out" of whole parts of the world and whole classes of people of the world economical system and to give the petty bourgeois something to hate - and the preventive security-state publicistic support, that this sercurity-state can apply it's whole arsenal of police and world police measures against the millions of marginalized.
In addition to that he symbolizes that approved neo-conservative intellectuals are gripping without hesitating in the lowest most dirty closet of the media-scape, if it serves their goals. And so he is not able to disassociate himself more than halfhearted from the hate- agitating blog PI.
Because of the denouncement of the chairman of the board of the inerior of the German parliament, SPD-MoP Sebastian Edathy in Spiegel-Online, to inform the Intelligence service of the interior of PI, Broder writes on "The Axis of the Good" about Pi you can have
"...very different oppinions. A lot of facts indicate, that it is an internet-sect, which is busy with very monothematic issues."
About a website, which is agitating with racist articles their commentators, specially in the last time, and which is advertising Spam-E-Mail-Fatwas against different oppinions, he has a split-oppinion, because a lot of things support the fact, that PI is "very mono-thematic". Oh But actualy is this critique in his oppinion too hard, because
"of this [monothematic internet-sects] are a lot in the internet, from the so called Palestina-portal provided by a Westphalian pensioner, who undertook to solve the conflict in Near-East, to the Bild-Blog [Niggemeyers Blog ;D] [...]"
The Bild-Blog, which corrects mistakes in the reporting of the greatest German daily newspaper with proofs and which points out the often tendentious reporting; and PI, which is repeating and reapeating and repeating the Euro-Islamic world conspiracy, the infiltration of our society by Muslimes, the civil war in our cities, the leftist-green influence on the main-stream-media (z.B. Bild) standing both on [the same] "extreme mono-thematic level". That Broder has forgotten the ABC of the jounalism can everybody read in his books.
According to Broder is it PI too:
„…for shure it is no good idea to mess around with a obscure group like the JTF. [...] even if they have coincidental the same oppinion like youself, that the sun is rising in the east and is sinking in the west"
The chairman of the Jewish Task-Force is Victor Vancier, who was sentenced because of his bombings against different "soft-targets" in 1987 in New York to 10 years in jail. He is defending his deeds until this day. In this time the JTF is engaged in the campaign "Jews against Obama". In this campaign is the Democratic presidential canidate described as the "fifth column of the Islamists in the USA." Perhaps they have, like Broder, the oppinion, that the sun is rising in the east and sinking in the west.
Following to this Broder is presenting to the public is E-Mail-dispute with Mr. Edathy.
„… [in] relation (with the by Edathy recommended monitoring of PI by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution) [it would interest me], if you have asked the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution too to monitor websites like “muslimmarkt.de”, because they do anti-semite agitation,"
he asked Edathy and Edathy answers
"Are I am allowed to understand your e-mail in the sense, that you think pi-news.net is not problematic [...]? If this is the case, I will forward your answer willingly to the members of the board of the interior of the German Parliament - particular because of your public hearing1 in front of this board on 16.06.2008 [...]“
The relation Broder - PI is no secret. In addition to that every normal citizen of Germany would find the file of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and the wikipedia-entry by googeling his question. But of course Broder is no normal citizen and this he points out to Edathy. He is namely
„[...] the tax-payer [...],“
and because of that Mr. Edathy
„[...] your employer [...]“. ;D
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„ich [erwarte] deswegen, wie von jedem angestellten, [...] dass sie ihre arbeit machen und sich nicht in rabulistik üben.“
Darüber hinaus wird der Chef bald auch mal persönlich vorbeikommen, und:
„[...] ihre nicht-antwort auf meine anfrage bei der ausschuss-anhörung am 16.6. den mitgliedern des ausschusses zu präsentieren, als illustration für den extrem sensiblen umgang mit antisemitischen randerscheinungen.“
Das hat gesessen. Har har har. Der schlicht mit „b.“ unterschreibene Chef von Herrn Edathy wird also bei der Anhörung eine Nicht-Antwort als Illustration präsentieren, wo man ihm – wahrscheinlich rein interessehalber, wie das wohl anstellen mag – dann selbstverständlich auch Redezeit einräumt. Der Art, wie Herr „b.“ die Begriffe „Arbeitgeber“ und „Angestellte“ definiert, ist übrigens ausgesprochen dehnbar: Als jahrelanger „Spiegel“-Abonnent und „Spiegel“-Online-Leser, der mit meinen Zahlungen Ihren Lebensunterhalt mitfinanzierte, Herr Broder, erwarte ich, dass Sie sich endlich mal rasieren und aufhören, so einen Schwachsinn zu fabrizieren, jawohl!
Herr Edathy gibt in seiner neuerlichen Antwort nun zu bedenken, dass
„…meines Wissens die Internetseite muslim-markt.de vom Verfassungsschutz ausgewertet wird. Bezüglich der Seite pi-news.net bin ich mir diesbezüglich nicht sicher.“
Und hängt einen Wikipedia-Link an seine Mail, dass „muslimmarkt.de“ im Verfassungsschutz-Bericht schon ab 2005 erwähnt wird. Da Herr „b.“aber schon die Definitionsmacht darüber besitzt dass “1,3 Mrd. Muslime in aller Welt zum chronischen Beleidigtsein neigen”, der Unterschied zwischen Islam und Islamismus feinsinnig ist“ usw., ist es für ihn auch ein Leichtes seine, sagen wir mal, etwas phantasielose Erwiderung als geistreiche Pointe zu definieren:
„ich bin zutiefst beruhigt, dass der vorsitzende des innenausschusses des bundestages sich über die aktivitäten des verfassungsschutzes aus wikipedia informiert.“
Dass übrigens der Herr SPD-MdB Edathy ein gestörtes Verhältnis zur Meinungsfreiheit zu haben scheint, steht auf einem anderen Blatt: hier bei Herrn Hoff und hier die ganze Geschichte, wie Edathy die Nichtweiterbeschäftigung der Journalistin Susanne Härpfer bei „Zeit“-Online erwirkte. Es gab mal Zeiten, da beschäftigten sich Journalisten mit solchen Themen…
Source: http://novaexpress.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/dummliches-herumgebroder/
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1. Of cause we have this speech on JTF. :) I have finished nearly the half of the translation. You find it here:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=22037.0
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Have you finished translating it?
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Have you finished translating it?
Vat? cant u speak evil sweet talk?
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Offtopic: Where has the healthy living section gone?
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Have you finished translating it?
I have forgotten it totally. Thank you. I will bookmark it. :)
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Pheasant, honestly speaking how many Germans would be open to leaving Nazism? I hate to discourage you but I can't imagine it would be more than a couple percent... :(
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Pheasant, honestly speaking how many Germans would be open to leaving Nazism? I hate to discourage you but I can't imagine it would be more than a couple percent... :(
Yes this peoples are totally nuts. They worship blacks, Islam, Socialism and you can see, like the small town I live is filled up with Muslime welfare receivers. I have never seen one of them working. Every month coming new.
There is not much hope, because Germans love Socialism and Socialism is the cause for all problems. Socialism is naturally providing welfare and welfare attracts lazy people, specially the most laziest in the world Muslimes. Muslime citizens have votes and so naturally will become the German foreign policy more and more Anti-semitic. Even more it is naturally. :(
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Pheasant, why do Germans still hate Jews today? I know historically it was because of (a) the crude, barbaric religion of the Norsemen, which has always persisted throughout the ages, revealing itself in full in the Reich, and (b) Martin Luther, but why is it still so strong? Do average Germans really, really still have fond feelings for Odinism/Asatru?
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Pheasant, why do Germans still hate Jews today? I know historically it was because of (a) the crude, barbaric religion of the Norsemen, which has always persisted throughout the ages, revealing itself in full in the Reich, and (b) Martin Luther, but why is it still so strong? Do average Germans really, really still have fond feelings for Odinism/Asatru?
Most not, the majority believes in nothing. The most important things for them is to have a car, tasty food, party, sex and as often as possible to go on holiday ;D
But they don't want really to work for it. So they have not enough money for their consume-oriented lifestyle.
They are very jealous of people who have more property. They always talk about the i.e. the car or / and the house of the neighbor.
So they vote for leftists parties, which promise to punish the hard working people with high taxes and give the stolen money to the majority.
In this relation they are not so different from Muslimes. The majority of Germans hate Christianity and Judaism. Even the most so called Christians hate it. They make up their own cult in the parastatal churches. I am on the paper a member and I can tell, because I get the church-newspaper. But it is time to leave. :)
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Do you belong to any "real" church congregation in Germany?
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Do you belong to any "real" church congregation in Germany?
Do you mean to a not parastatal church? No
I am on the paper a member of the parastatal EKD* and was baptized in a Lutherian Church near Hamburg.
But I have some friends in baptist churches and in the Plymouth_Brethren**.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_Church_in_Germany
**http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Brethren
I personally think that the EKD is bolschewist. The Baptist churches are too hugging and without distance. Plymouth Brethren are not so bad, only that they don't baptize babies is a point where I disagree. Calvin has another oppinion about this. But the so called "Calvinist churches" near my home are all member of the EKD and also bolschewist.
Not so easy here C.F. ;D
See you in the evening.
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TTYL. I guess that I am very glad America does not have a state church!
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Pheasant, why do Germans still hate Jews today? I know historically it was because of (a) the crude, barbaric religion of the Norsemen, which has always persisted throughout the ages, revealing itself in full in the Reich, and (b) Martin Luther, but why is it still so strong? Do average Germans really, really still have fond feelings for Odinism/Asatru?
Dude the Nazis don't/didn't hate Jews because of their religion... It's the Muslims who hate all Jews because of their religion.
The Nazis were Jealous of the Jewish superior brain power that's why. They wanted to steal the Jewish money and well they wanted to be genetically on top so they decided to exterminate a nation that was clearly racially superior to them.
How do you think Shitlers became so rich? All their money was stolen from European Jews, they were lazy jealous parasites that prayed on the innocent. So far as I know Hitler was Roman Catholic but wasn't very religious.
That's my opinion.
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TTYL. I guess that I am very glad America does not have a state church!
I am also glad for that fact as we speak also but where we are headed is even worse. I really believe the goal of our government here in America is to totally supplant religion. For the most part they seek to take G-d out of every aspect of day to day life. All most of our young folks know today is the latest thing that's on TV or the latest trend that's coming down the road at them. G-d and any form of normal organized religion is getting to be a smaller and smaller part of most peoples life each day. In some ways we are in far worse shape here in America. To many people today here in America government is G-d since they look to it for their very existence. The thought of saying a generic prayer in a public setting is almost an act of treason. Some countries in Europe still have very homogeneous makeups so a state church may not be that big a problem for them however here in America something like that would be very divisive. I think the founding fathers here in America wanted people to be able to worship as they saw fit and people should not be directed to one faith or another by government. Religion will always have an effect on government because what people believe will always effect how they make decisions. For my money I would always want people in government who are part of a normal religion and make G-d a part of their lives .
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Pheasant, why do Germans still hate Jews today? I know historically it was because of (a) the crude, barbaric religion of the Norsemen, which has always persisted throughout the ages, revealing itself in full in the Reich, and (b) Martin Luther, but why is it still so strong? Do average Germans really, really still have fond feelings for Odinism/Asatru?
Dude the Nazis don't/didn't hate Jews because of their religion... It's the Muslims who hate all Jews because of their religion.
The Nazis were Jealous of the Jewish superior brain power that's why. They wanted to steal the Jewish money and well they wanted to be genetically on top so they decided to exterminate a nation that was clearly racially superior to them.
How do you think Shitlers became so rich? All their money was stolen from European Jews, they were lazy jealous parasites that prayed on the innocent. So far as I know Hitler was Roman Catholic but wasn't very religious.
That's my opinion.
Correction: Muslims also hate Jews because of jealousy..that's how Islam came to be...the other jealous brother of Issac and Jacob...If you are not familiar, read the Book of Genesis for historical reasons.
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Pheasant, why do Germans still hate Jews today? I know historically it was because of (a) the crude, barbaric religion of the Norsemen, which has always persisted throughout the ages, revealing itself in full in the Reich, and (b) Martin Luther, but why is it still so strong? Do average Germans really, really still have fond feelings for Odinism/Asatru?
Dude the Nazis don't/didn't hate Jews because of their religion... It's the Muslims who hate all Jews because of their religion.
The Nazis were Jealous of the Jewish superior brain power that's why. They wanted to steal the Jewish money and well they wanted to be genetically on top so they decided to exterminate a nation that was clearly racially superior to them.
How do you think Shitlers became so rich? All their money was stolen from European Jews, they were lazy jealous parasites that prayed on the innocent. So far as I know Hitler was Roman Catholic but wasn't very religious.
That's my opinion.
Correction: Muslims also hate Jews because of jealousy..that's how Islam came to be...the other jealous brother of Issac and Jacob...If you are not familiar, read the Book of Genesis for historical reasons.
That's true muslims are very jealous and lazy like the whole world owes them something, disgusting parasites.
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Yes they are. They have no working ethic like Jews and Christians. Islam is the pure Levantine jog trot. ;D
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Who wrote that article? and what does he have against pensioners ,at least pensioners worked for a living unlike lazy moslems on welfare :-\
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Who wrote that article? and what does he have against pensioners ,at least pensioners worked for a living unlike lazy moslems on welfare :-\
I think this is a failed allegory about the old pensioner next door, who has nothing to do and is bored. Because of this he is bullying the neigbors. I think he meant this picture.
But the text is actually more evil than Niggemeier's. If the writer is no anti-semite I eat my hat.
Neocons, economic powers and poor Muzzie victims is the mix of the new anti-semites called anti-zionists.
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Who wrote that article? and what does he have against pensioners ,at least pensioners worked for a living unlike lazy moslems on welfare :-\
I think this is a failed allegory about the old pensioner next door, who has nothing to do and is bored. Because of this he is bullying the neigbors. I think he meant this picture.
But the text is actually more evil than Niggemeier's. If the writer is no anti-semite I eat my hat.
Neocons, economic powers and poor Muzzie victims is the mix of the new anti-semites called anti-zionists.
Yes this is true or he can just be a dhimmi fool