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(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00350/obama385_350132a.jpg)
A crack team of cybernauts will form a rapid response internet “war room” to track and respond aggressively to online rumours that Barack Obama is unpatriotic and a Muslim.
As he gears up for his general election fight against John McCain, Mr Obama and his chief advisers are aware of the danger of such rumours, amid polling data showing that a significant number of Americans believe he is a Muslim or are suspicious about his background (JTF CAMPAIGN=RESULTS!). Such doubts were a factor in his poor showing with white, blue-collar voters during his primary battle with Hillary Clinton.
In recent days Mr Obama has — unprompted — brought up the subject of the chain e-mails and blog sites making the false claims. Some state that he is a radical Muslim who was sworn in as a US senator on the Koran; others that he sympathises with Palestinian radicals. Many focus on his middle name of Hussein, which was taken from his Kenyan father.
Mr Obama referred to the e-mails in a speech last week to AIPAC, the powerful Jewish lobby.
Mr Obama said: “They are filled with tall tales and dire warnings about a certain candidate for president and all I want to say is, ‘Let me know if you see this guy named Barack Obama because he sounds pretty scary’.”
Jen Psaki, a spokeswomen for Mr Obama, told The Times that the internet team was still being finalised.
She added: “The only way to run a campaign is to respond immediately when inaccurate information is put out. The [the e-mails] are saying he’s a Muslim. He’s not.
“He’s a Christian. He often brings up the e-mails that are out there and the smear campaign that’s been run against him on the internet.”
The “war room” comes as the Obama campaign prepares a series of biographical speeches, television advertisements and campaign appearances to tell his life story, an attempt to make voters more familiar with him. Despite his long nomination fight against Mrs Clinton, his campaign aides concede that millions of Americans still feel that they do not really know him.
Mr Obama’s Kenyan father, who left the family when he was 2, was a Muslim, but not particularly religious. The Illinois senator lived in Indonesia from the age of 6 until 10 with his white, American mother and Indonesian stepfather, who was a Muslim.
Mr Obama has never been a Muslim, or worshipped at a mosque. He moved from being agnostic to finding Christ in his 20s, with the help of his former Chicago pastor: the Rev Jeremiah Wright, a figure whose incendiary sermons now haunt his candidacy and has increased suspicions among some voters about his patriotism.
A poll in mid-March found that 13 per cent of Americans think that Mr Obama is a Muslim — a 5 per cent increase since December 2007. Another found that 23 per cent of Democrats who hold negative views of him believe that he is a Muslim. The same survey showed that 61 per cent of voters view him as patriotic, compared with 76 per cent for Mrs Clinton and 90 per cent for Mr McCain.
Senior aides to Mr Obama have opened talks with the Clinton camp to discuss pooling their formidable fundraising talent. Between them the two Democrats raised nearly $500 million (£254 million) during their nomination fight.
David Plouffe, Mr Obama’s campaign manager, is due to give a presentation to some of Mrs Clinton’s top fundraisers in New York on Thursday.
In recent weeks Mr Obama has also pinned an American flag badge to his suit lapel after being criticised by Republicans for not wearing one.
He locked horns with Mr McCain yesterday over the faltering economy, the number one issue with voters, as the Democrat started a 17-day economics tour with a speech in North Carolina lambasting the Republican over his support for the fiscal policies of President Bush.
The Arizona senator pre-empted his rival’s address by painting him as a liberal tax-and-spender.
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When you have a budget of 3x your competitor.. you can do this.
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We have something more powerful than money on our side... ^-^!
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sarah... what have you seen or heard...? is he or isn't he secretly a muslim...? nik.
it is my understanding the once you convert or are born a muslim and then leave... a fatwa ~ death sentence is pronounced over you... so the buzz around most muslim quarters should be about what a traitor this man is to the islamic cause... like happened by and to salman rushdie when he wrote the "satanic verses"... so if there is not such a clamour about him among muslims... that must mean he really is a hidden agent trying to sabotage the american gov't. for islam... and they are just laying-low in hushed and bated breath hoping and praying he gets elected on their secretive, sinister agenda...
similarly... with this approach... francisco gil-white accurately points to and proves by the arab world's lack of their usual frenzied war-mongering and blood-curdling cries for jihad when hezbollah attacked northern israel last summer... that they too were laying-low and trying to downplay this action which upset them... for with hez.'s premature rush to action whereby could be blown all of their carefully laid and greater plans to take over all of lebanon and only then destroy israel when iran gets the nukes... but by going-off too soon hez. was risking an all-out counter-offensive by the idf which would thwart all of their plans... so the muslim world leaders all rushed to say what a mistake and miscalculation hez. was making and the u.s. prez cautioned is. to tred lightly in leb. so as not to upset the supposed "democratic" apple-cart that was then almost in the process of consolidating its hold over the country again supposedly "against syrian and shiite muslim interests..." in the last several weeks we've all seen what an utter lie all of that rubbish and garbage-talk really was back then... it was all just pure deceptive falsehood to protect the coming islamic terrorist-storm (the slime's latest incarnation of their evily-vaunted ss stormtroopers of ww2) completely surrounding and choking-off israel... this is the true goal of the slime in the middle east and is the real story behind the iraq war... just read all about it at hirhome.com and see for yourselves... unfortunately all of the israeli "leadership" (sic) is also slime-based and controlled and so they are going along with israel's suicide for their own personal gain, survival and advancement... this is why none of them will ever tell the truth about fatah that it was nazi-spawned to continue the holocaust of the jewish people... and so this is what we all face today... and it never was any different... as i told you guys before... i have a picture of ben-gurion with eichmann in "palestine" in 1937... the two colleagues were taking a tour of the land together and planning the shoah... along with all the rest of the amer., german and british nazis that is... when will you people wake up...? nik. out...
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nik, you are right, and what Gil-white said there sounds exactly correct. The recent "takeover" by hezbollah thugs in beirut also solidifies the evidence that gil-white was right. (actually, I did hear that the terrorist thugs got routed by Druze in South lebanon despite their success at bullying the lebanese govt in the north and elsewhere).
You say you have an actual picture of ben gurion with eichmann? Where is this located?
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i think it is in a book i have in storage... i'll have to find it again... but i know i have it somewhere... the slime has included jews already for several hundred years (i call them the jr. slime because they are only jr. partners) and they were in league with the sr. slime back in the day to do the european holocaust and they are all teamed up once more to do it all over again in eretz yisroel... lo alenu... chas v'shalom... nik.
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Sarah are you anti, pro or neutral Obama?
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Sarah are you anti, pro or neutral Obama?
I am anti Obama, but not to a hateful extent. I reckon there is a snide side to him, that he superficially covers just to gain support.
I didn't write this piece Nik, it was just an article i got from the www.timesonline.co.uk (http://www.timesonline.co.uk). However although he was most certainly born a muslim, since he father was one, i do not believe that he currently practices Islam at all. Though having grown up in two countries, indonesia and kenya, both of which are fairly strict in Islamic conduct etc....loads of his views, mannerisms and even mentality would have been geared to an islamic way. Plus his attitude to muslims is questionable.....since he spent a good time of his life in muslim company.
I personally, whether he would be a muslim or not, find him very off-putting.....though i'm not American, so my say is probably pointless.
Yeah that is a good point Nik, the guy outwardly says he isn't a muslim and to prove this somewhat tried to express a degree of disgust towards Islam, however the arab countries and leaders support him a great deal...?! Something very fishy.....plus Obama doesn't have experience.
I thought Daivid-Ben Gurion, was a very strong zionist?!
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Nik what picture are you talking about ?!
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sarah... in answer to your question... secular labor zionism is code for shabtai zviism and jacob frankism... movements in the late 1600's and 1700's respectively... they are satanic slime jews in league with the goyish slime powers-that-be to destroy authentic torah judaism and undermine any attempt to rebuild the beit hamikdash and prevent any other real messianic prophecy in the tenach from coming to pass... that is why the world-slime-powers put israel in their disgusting hands to ensure this outcome and in order that these perfidious jews would eventually aid them in the eradication of all torah jews from the world... then and now...
the pic i have is a photograph of eichmann with ben-gurion touring "palestine" sometime in 1937... it is not doctored... it is fully documented... i just have to re-locate it... nik. out...
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Now there's this thing that his half brother said about him. It makes me think, why would the muslim world support an infidel? Either Obama is a muslim or his half brother was lying?
And speaking of internet war, Obama must get offended too easily if he goes on a witch hunt like this. In the old days, we would've called him a retard, nowadays, we call him mentally challenged. :::D
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If the Muslims believed Obama had truly renounced Islam then surely the more outspoken of them such as Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri would have condemned him. I think that they consider him their manchurian candidate even to a greater degree than he comprehends.
@Nik: I find your equating of Secular Jews to Shabtaism wrong and inappropriate. Are you saying that any labour zionist is equal to a traitor who is in league with Amalek? And you have to post that photo, because I find it very hard to believe. Eichmen has met with Hagana representative in Cairo but not for the purpose of committing genocide but for emigration of Jews from Germany to Eretz Yisrael. As you should know The Nazis had explored other alternatives before they undertook to their 'final solution'.
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i've said repeatedly that this erev rav pshat comes from the vilna gaon in the 6th and final chapter of a sefer on moshiach ben yosef which he wrote called "kol hator" as far as secular labor zionism being satanic and shabtai tzvism... obviously it doesn't apply to every single secular jew in israel... but you just have to read barry chamish's book on the subject to learn the truth... (go to his web site or to lulu.com)... stop being afraid to open your mind and entertain things you don't want to believe are true... that is not objectivity and it is not intellectually honest... nik. out
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I think the Gr"a had preceded the enlightenment and the reform movement, certainly the labour movement which arose in the late 19th century so how could he equate them to Shabtaism?
You refer to Bary Chamish to learn the truth?! The man is kookoo. I don't need to read Chamish's delusions. I am Israeli, I know Israelis,and as much as I critisize them they are not similar to the Shabtaim. Secular Jews are, generally speaking, materialistic and egocentric, non-spiritual and when it comes to national politics- insane. Shabtaim are spiritual heretic and... completely insane.
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i am only referring to the power base... the slime leadership in isr. not to the hamaon am (the general population)... fine you don't want to read chamish (so much to your own detriment)... so go get a book by rabbi marvin antleman called "to eliminate the opiate..." (2 volumes)... he proves it also... they sick, deranged meglomaniacs whose only goal is to preside over the destruction of true torah judaism and to help slaughter all religious jews in eretz yisroel... all for their slime masters who emanate from rome...
and the gra had ruach hakodesh and forsaw these slime running israel at the end of days just prior to moshiach's arrival... the ramban said the same as well in chumash... when they brought back yaakov for burial... the ramban said from here we see... "maesa avot siman l'banim..." ("the deeds of the fathers are a sign for the children")... meaning whatever they did we will later on in history do as well... they went down to egypt and returned... at least avraham did... and so did we later... and here the ramban says yaakov returning dead... a guf bli neshama (a body without a soul)... is a sign for the end of days of a return of jews to the land of israel "dead"... spiritually dead... soulless as these slime monsters are... a jewish body without a true jewish soul... so stick that in your pipe and smoke it... nik. in a huff and a puff... out...
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New kid in the shtetl, here (first post), so I might need some coaching on board etiquette.
I thought this "yeish l'tsayein"/worth mentioning - the information from the missionaries to Africa, that is. Something to use against the Obama zombies.
http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_19990.shtml
More tachmoshet/ammunition:
It's obvious why support for Obama has arrived from other countries, but how many would vote for him if they knew his plan is to disarm America:
http://msunderestimated.com/2008/03/01/obamas-plans-for-our-military-video/
dvir
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good points new guy... good points... and welcome... nik.
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Thanks for your reply, nikmatdam. I didn't know the information from the missionaries to Africa had been posted April 25th.
Seems like BHMO is what Buber refers to as (like Napoleon) a "demonic 'Thou'" and the "elementary barrier of history" ("I and Thou" [c. 1923]). Although McCain is a milquetoast of a speaker, what we have is basically good against evil.
Shomeir ' ' eit col ohavav v'eit col ha r'shaim yashmid/Hashem preserves all those who love him: but all the wicked he will destroy. - T'hilim 145:20
Yeivoshu v'yisogu achor col son'ei Tsion: yi'yu cachatsir gagot shekadmat shalaf yaveish/All who hate Tsion will be confounded and turned back. They will be as the rooftop grass that withers before it sprouts. T'hilim 129:6
dvir
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BTW: Difficult to believe about David Ben-Gurion. I have an interview in which Ben-Gurion confronts the liberal journalists who are trying to get him (even by citing Talmud) to compromise about the status quo of Y'rushalaim and Ha Golan and to "sympathize" about the "refugees". He wouldn't do it. He slams his fist on the table and says, "zo Artseinu/this is our Land!" He was a man fighting for his life from the heart. He basically said that they were "playing pacifist", but that they wouldn't be doing that if they were dead. I think the journalists were the "slime monsters". It was on televizia.net.
I live in walking distance of a hideous moque where an organization (outlawed by Israel since 1996) has raised $57 million for Hamas since 1989.
We have a common enemy and a divided camp is not a good thing.
dvir
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Obamas followers treat him like he is a Jesus Christ, they have this religious fervor about him. This site shows that, it's like reading an apologetic book. How dare you speak ills of our holy, sinless leader?!
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Good point, WesternPatriot. It is a mob mentality and people aren't thinking.
I was surprised when confronted on an Orthodox board ("A Dwelling Place") after writing that B.O. was lying about being a supporter of Israel. There were several complaints. They even revised wjhat I had posted in order not to offend the Obama "supporters". I was "corrected" about Obama being a mussie. The board owner wrote, "I repeat, he is a Christian, not a muslim." That may have been a knee-jerk reaction in response to accusations (by the Obama propagandists, of course) at the time that the Clinton crowd had started an e-mail "slur" campaign.
Later, I posted a translation of an article from an Israeli news agency in which Obama was quoted as saying that he was "one of the greatest supporters of Israel". The tone of the article made it clear that that was an extravagant claim. I posted with that, that Israeli political analysts had rated Obama as the candidate least supportive of Israel. John McCain was considered most supportive, Clinton was second. Even later, the atmosphere changed and more "negative" information, particularly that Obama's advisers and staff are very anti-Israel, was seen there.
Obama's record is very poor and his experience extremely limited. He voted "present" in the Illinois State Senate 129 times. From the time Obama was sworn in as a U. S. Senator to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he had logged only 143 days of experience as a Senator. Of course, that doesn't include the days he wasn't there. He only sponsored two bills that became law.
Michelle Malkin's website documents some of many mistakes that Obama has made in speeches.
Here's one:
"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."
That is Veterans Day, Senator Obama.
Question:
What is "Muslim scholar"?
Answer:
An oxymoron. O0
dvir
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i've said repeatedly that this erev rav pshat comes from the vilna gaon in the 6th and final chapter of a sefer on moshiach ben yosef which he wrote called "kol hator" as far as secular labor zionism being satanic and shabtai tzvism... obviously it doesn't apply to every single secular jew in israel... but you just have to read barry chamish's book on the subject to learn the truth... (go to his web site or to lulu.com)... stop being afraid to open your mind and entertain things you don't want to believe are true... that is not objectivity and it is not intellectually honest... nik. out
Nik, Zelhar is right. You (and chamish, gilwhite etc) are oversimplifying. The evidence by Rabbi Antelman about the top zionists delving in sabbateanism is circumstancial, suggestive, and/or not overwhelming in many cases. But even still, the top officials don't necessarily represent all the adherents of labor party etc. And even for those Antelman provides evidence for... What about all the rest he doesn't have anything on? Furthermore, I don't know what you're talking about, but I have NEVER heard of such a thing from the Vilna Gaon. He was one of the biggest zionists around, and he predated the whole movement.
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it is on-line... it is a book written by one of his talmidim... kol hator ("the call of the turtle dove)...a reference from shir hashirim about the coming of moshiach... redemption... his name was rabbi hillel sisgal... i'll get the name right later... in the 6th and final chapter he quotes the gra to have made these comments... of course he wasa zionist... all righteous jews yearned to go back home... there wasn't the corrupt andevil secular labor zionism yet on the scene... and a vast majority of jews in the world in the 1770's wereobservant and hoping to live to see the moshiach...
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The fact that he is even bringing up chain e-mail I believe proves that he is threatened by them. Chain mailing people on Liveleak, Youtube, Myspace and other places is priority of the next couple of months. I use JTF Koran Quotes from JEWSAGAINSTOBAMA.COM. You can mass send many of the videos about Obama done by Chaim and others on this forum.
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ok here are the words of the vilna gaon... scroll down to chapeter 2 sub-section 2... number 2. the truth about the erev rav jews and the truth about all of us who do nothing to oppose their rule over eretz yisroel... read this and weep... it is better had we never been born... for the judgement we face for our lack of will to fight them... and we are not speaking here of traitors who work with the slime... no... for just by our doing nothing out of fear or indifference or yeush (not knowing what to do or thinking our matzav ~ situation to be hopeless)... we bring down a din upon us that is so awesome in its magnitude of punishment that it would have been far, far better for us had we never been born... nik. out...
Chapter 2
Section 2
The Two Meshichim of the Generations
Contents
“We must do our utmost to promote the complete
union of the two meshichim, Mashiach ben Yosef and Mashiach
ben David, ’the wood of Yosef and the wood of Judah.’
This is the great foundation for the unification of the
Holy One Blessed Be He and the Shechina to bring about the
return of the Shechina [to Zion]. -- We must participate
in G-d’s assistance to the heroes, i.e., to the two
meshichim alluded to in the verse: “and saviors will
ascend Mount Zion.’ The saviors wage war against the
coupling of Seir and his father-in-law [Ismael] on Mount
Zion. We can assist by gathering in the exiles, by
rebuilding Jerusalem, and by establishing and maintaining
people of truth -- Just as in the case of the general
Redemption, the first mashiach is Mashiach ben Yosef and
the one who completes the task is Mashiach ben David, so in
the case of every activity--general or personal--related to
the footsteps of the beginning of the Redemption naturally,
the first supporter is Mashiach ben Yosef; the supporter
who completes the task is Mashiach ben David. This is on
the level of the two meshichim of the generations, which is
considered the aspect of ’Judah saves Yosef.’”
1. In the case of the general Redemption, the first
mashiach is Mashiach ben Yosef, and the one who completes
the mission is Mashiach ben David. Likewise in the case of
each and every activity, general or private, carried out in
connection with the footsteps of the beginning of the
Redemption, when the awakening comes from below naturally,
little by little--all the activities demonstrate the
Gaon’s important principle: the first heavenly assistance
comes through Mashiach ben Yosef, and the task completed by
Mashiach ben David. The two meshichim of the generations
are the miraculous powers that maintain the existence of
Israel, and strengthen it during the exiles; they are also
the miraculous supporters during the footsteps of the
Mashiach. Mashiach ben Yosef is the miraculous power
behind the physical and material existence and
strengthening, whereas Mashiach ben David is the miraculous
power behind the spiritual existence of Israel generally
and particularly. Both meshichim of the generations play
a role in many of the aspects, as explained in the Gaon’s
compositions.
The two meshichim cooperate and help one another:
Mashiach ben Yosef, as revealed in the words “Yosef still
lives”; and Mashiach ben David, as revealed in the words
“David, King of Israel is alive and exists.” They are
alive and exist in every generation, carry out their
missions, and affect one another with their powers and
special attributes. Thus they need one another. Without
the abundance of their strength, their might, and their
endowments, Israel could not exist for even one moment, G-d
forbid. However, they--their powers, images, and
endowments--are hidden as long as our many sins cause
Israel and the Shechina to remain in exile. We must know
that these two great powers can operate and their strength
can affect, even totally affect events, only when no one
disturbs or separates them.
At times, the tasks of the two meshichim are
apportioned differently, both with regard to levels and
with regard to influences, depending on whether the aspect
of Leah or Rachel, that is, of Daat or Malchut is involved.
Mashiach ben David is the one who causes the upper
abundance to flow. Mashiach ben Yosef, on the other hand,
is the one who receives and carries out what is included in
the aspect of Judah saving Yosef. If the aspect of Yosef
and Judah together is involved, i.e., Yesod and Malchut,
then Mashiach ben Yosef causes the abundance to flow, and
Mashiach ben David is the recipient. All this is true at
the beginning of the Redemption, when the wood of Yosef and
the wood of Judah are “pieces of wood in your hand, ”
when they are still divided into two, on the level of the
awakening from below. At the time of the complete
redemption, however, when the two pieces of wood have
become “one in My hand” (the hand of G-d), then the
meshichim will be like two inseparable friends; they will
have become one, they will have become the King Mashiach
who is on the level of the trustworthy friend of the final
redeemer, Moshe Rabbeinu, may he rest in peace. This is on
the level of the great thousand, when G-d will become king
over all the land, etc. (this is affirmed in gematria:
[and] together, equal 1000). Since we are standing on
the threshold of the beginning of the Redemption, we must
learn and know all the aspects and tasks of the two
meshichim, the meshichim from below, regarding the paths of
the beginning, with the help of G-d.
2. The purpose of our work in ingathering the exiles is
to set up people of Truth who will promote the unification
of both meshichim in the gates of Jerusalem so that the
Shechina will return. The purpose of the Redemption is
that there be a true redemption and sanctification of G-d.
According to the Gaon, may he rest in peace, we must
participate in G-d’s assistance to His heroes, who are
the two meshichim. We must learn well all the practical
aspects and tasks in order to carry out whatever is
required.
In all generations, the major tasks of the two
meshichim together, Mashiach ben Yosef and Mashiach ben
David, are self-defense and to wage war against the three
heads of the outer shells or layers: Esau, Ismael and the
mixed multitude. The special task of Mashiach ben Yosef is
to counter Esau, the outer shell on the left. The special
task of Mashiach ben David against Ismael is to counter
Ismael, the outer shelf on the right. The two meshichim
together are duty-bound to operate against Esau and Ismael,
who are likened to an ox and a donkey of impurity.
Armilus, the angel of the mixed multitude, is the
one who attempts to couple Esau and Ismael, and this could
destroy Israel and the entire world, Heaven forbid. The
main desire of the mixed multitude is to couple Esau and
Ismael and to separate the two meshichim. Our main task to
counter, even battle such deeds; we must destroy the might
of the mixed multitude, the layer of the wicked Armilus,
and drive them out of Israel. The mixed multitude is our
greatest enemy, for it separates the two meshichim. The
outer shell of the mixed multitude operates only by
delusions and indirectly. Therefore the war against the
mixed multitude is the most difficult and bitter, and we
must wage war against it and overpower it with all our
might. Anyone who does not participate in the war against
the mixed multitude, is actually becoming a partner of the
“layer” of the mixed multitude. Whoever he is, he
would have been better off had he not been born.
The primary power of the mixed multitude is at the gates
of Jerusalem, particularly at the entrance to the city,
which is on the western middle line.
3. The two meshichim are the guards and defenders of
the existence of Israel throughout all the generations,
even during the exile. Their main place is at the gates of
Jerusalem, the opening of the walls. This is revealed by
the words: “our feet were standing in the gates of
Jerusalem.”“Our feet” refers to the two meshichim in
the line of of Netzach and Hod. But when is it possible to
stand with a sense of security? When Jerusalem is rebuilt
like a city that has been joined together. Concerning
this, it is written: “On your walls, O Jerusalem, I have
appointed guards for all day and all night.”“All
night” includes during the darkness of the exile. But as
long as Jerusalem is desolate, the guards have only enough
strength to guard, not to wage war against the Sitra Achra.
For they guards cannot stand on the Holy Land in its
destruction because of the fastness of the outer layers of
impurity. When, then do “our feet stand”?
When Jerusalem is rebuilt. Then the city is joined
together: Jerusalem of below is joined with Jerusalem of
above. Their central spot is at the entrance to the city
on the middle line, to the west of the walls.
Regarding the two meshichim it says: “and
saviors will ascend Mount Zion.” The word “ascend”
means that the two meshichim will prevail: that is, the
wood of Yosef and the wood of Judah will prevail on the
levels of Heaven and Earth. Their levels are determined by
their actions, and their actions are determined by their
missions. An activity at the time of the awakening from
below, naturally, from the left line which is the quality
of Din, is part of the task of Mashiach ben Yosef from the
land, and the level is the aspect of Yosef ben Rachel
(Yesod of Malchut). An activity designed to draw down help
and mercy, goodness and the blessing of G-d Almighty that
come from abundance from above, belongs to the aspect of
Yosef son of Jacob (Yesod of Tiferet).
When the activity occurs at the time of the
awakening from below, but from the right line, then the
quality of Lovingkindness is involved, and this is the task
of Mashiach ben David.The level in this case is the aspect
of Judah son of Jacob (Malchut of Tiferet).
When the activity is designed to generate a great
amount of Chesed and Rahamim, then it is from the aspect of
Judah ben Leah (Malchut of Tevunah).
When the activity comes at the time of the
awakening from below, but from the middle line, at the
level of 999 in Yesod, then it is the mission of Mashiach
ben Yosef, as revealed in the words: “even all that is in
the Heavens and Earth.”
4. As explained by the Gaon, the two meshichim play a
role in many aspects depending on their tasks, as discussed
below, and depending on the repairs entailed (?). The
missions of the meshichim from below and from above depend
on their deeds, and the deeds depend on the root of their
souls. The two meshichim from below are the first involved
in leaving the exile. They are the two Hebrew midwives in
Egypt, as mentioned by the Gaon in his Tikunei Zohar
Chadash regarding the verse: “and they [the midwives] let
the children live” because they occupied themselves with
saving Israel. Likewise in every generation there are
meshichim from below who are the forefathers of the
meshichim of the generations; their helpers belong to their
categories. The two meshichim appear in many different
aspects according to their missions and deeds, each one by
his flag with the letters of his forefathers. They are
“a scepter and a lawgiver.” It was promised
that “the scepter will not leave Judah, nor a lawgiver
from between his feet.” This means that they appear in
all generations. They are “the wood of Yosef and the
wood of Judah.” Whenever they appear, at first the wood
will be in pieces “in your hand.” Finally, they will
become one in the hand of G-d. They are the holy ox and
holy donkey who wage war against the impure ox and impure
donkey, i.e., Ismael and Esau. They hold fast to two hosts
that are 499 from the right section and 499 from the left
section, which equal 1000 minus one, like the gematria of
[999] “’the foot of an ox and donkey’, ” as revealed
in the verse: “happy are you who sow on all water.” They
are the “’feet of G-d’” that are in Netzach and
Hod. They stand firmly in the gates of Jerusalem. This is
what is meant by “our feet in your gates, O Jerusalem, ”
as already mentioned.
5. There are many appellations to cover different
aspects of the two meshichim. These are: “a star has
come out of Jacob, and a scepter has risen from Israel”
[Num. 24:17] -- “Joshua son of Nun and Caleb son of
Jephuneh” [Num. 14:6] -- “they will obtain joy and
gladness” [Isa. 35:10] -- “the sons of Jacob and
Yosef, Selah” [Ps. 77:16] -- the light of the moon and
the light of the sun [Isa. 30:26].
-- There are references and hints regarding two
meshichim in the Bible [i.e., a duality or plural form
appears]: “your children will be students of the Lord,
and your children’s peace will be abundant” [Isa.
54:13]; the two cherubim; the two apples (“spread apples
about me” [Song 2:5], as is known); “rivulets of
water” [Song 5:12]; the two hosts, of the right and of
the left; “they will certainly come with joyful song”
[the verb ’to come’ appears twice, though in a
different grammatical form] (the words quoted go together
with: “the one who bears the measure of seeds” [Ps.
126:6]); the learning of Torah and performance of deeds of
lovingkindness -- “saviors on Mount Zion” [Ov. 1:21];
guards of the walls of Jerusalem -- the quality of Din and
the quality of Lovingkindness; “the horns of an ox”
[Deut. 33:17]; “the holy ones in the earth, and the
mighty; all my delight is in them” [Ps. 16:3]; “the
humble
[the plural form is used] of the earth” [Ps. 76:10];
“the humble [the plural form is used] shall inherit the
earth” [Ps. 37: 11]; “’the sealed deed and the open
deed’” that were hidden in pottery in Anatot [Jer.
32]; “the feet of the herald” [Isa. 52:7]; the homes
of the righteous about which it is written: “those who
trust in the Mount of the Lord, in Mount Zion”; “the
sound of your observers; they raise their voices [in
unison] ... because every eye [the word ’eye’ appears
twice] will see when the Lord returns to Zion, ” etc.
[Isa. 52:8]; “a strong city; it will be our salvation”
[Isa. 26:1]; “and you strong foundations of the earth”
[Micha 6:2]; the two aspects of “we will do and we will
obey” [Ex. 24:7] and the return of their crowns shortly,
as our Sages said on the verse: and “the redeemed of the
Lord will return and come to Zion with glad song, ” etc.
“they will obtain joy and gladness”;
north and south as is written: “awake, you from the
North; and come, you from the South” [Song 4:16] as is
known --
“You will raise up generations-old
foundations” [Isa. 58:12] (this verse is included among
the hints of my father, author of -- the words:
“’generations-old foundation’” equals [546]
> “‘the students of Elijah’” in gematria) -- The
words “the covenant of the forefathers” is in the line
of Mashiach ben Yosef.The words ! “the merit of the
forefathers” is in the line of Mashiach ben David. This
[the Shechina] will also be restored at the time of the
ingathering of the exiles, with the help of G-d. --
Regarding the words: “affection” and “love”:
“affection is in the line of Mashiach ben Yosef, as is
written in the Midrash: “abundant affection is known to
Zion”; and it is known that Zion is in the line of Yosef.
“Love” is in the line of Mashiach ben David, as it
says: “I have loved you with an everlasting love” [Jer.
31:2].
- - - G-d will establish our handiwork over us to
unify the two meshichim, as explained above, according to
the verses “every eye will see when G-d returns to Zion,
” etc.. The ‘handiwork’ refers to bodies set up to
handle the process of the Redemption, which includes: the
ingathering of exiles; the rebuilding of Jerusalem; the
routing of the impure spirit from the land and the
fulfillment of the commandments related to the land; the
redemption of Truth by setting up people of truth; and the
revelation of mysteries of the Torah - - -.
- ---Likewise the wisdom from below.
- - - - For with the revelation of the
Mashiach, and the 999 footsteps involved, the upper wisdom
and the lower wisdom will be revealed, as written in the
Holy Zohar: “In the 600th year of the Sixth Millennium,
the gates of the upper wisdom and of the lower wisdom will
be opened, the world will be repaired... in order to raise
the Knesset Israel from the dirt, ” etc. All these are
the mission of Rabbi Eliyahu, the Gaon of Israel, whose
light will last till the day is established with the aid of
the Rock of Israel and its Redeemer. Therefore, the Gaon
tried to understand with his holy spirit also the seven
wisdoms from below which are known to be like mixtures and
samples at the bottom of the mountain, in order to explain
the wisdom of the Torah and to hasten the Redemption --
whose great purpose is sanctification of G-d as is written:
“and all the peoples of the earth will see the salvation
of our G-d, ” also in order to repair the
world in the Malchut of the Almighty, etc.
As mentioned above, the goal of our work is to
promote the fulfillment of the commandment of ingathering
the exiles and settling the holy land as the way of the
beginning of the Redemption, as explained in the following
chapters, -- in order to hasten the Redemption in deed with
the awakening from below, and to rout the spirit of impurity
from the land. Then there will be a unification of the Holy
one blessed be He and the Shechina through the unification
of the two meshichim in a union and strong, everlasting,
bond, which is the mission of the two advocates of the
Jews, Hanoch and Eliyahu -- Metatron and Sandal ) and
together equal in gematria--a fact that is revealed in the
great mystery of “Kol HaTor”). This is the path to our
G-d so that the Shechina will return to Zion, and the
Redeemer will come, speedily in our day, Amen.
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We don't use slurs so this shouldn't be a problem. The Osama campaign can't shut us down.
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I thought Daivid-Ben Gurion, was a very strong zionist?!
the original modern Herzl onwards, the one that created and run the state of israel. Were very very evil.
Herzl for example , wanted to end anti-semitism, and in doing so, he had plan A and plan B.
Plan A was for jews to convert to christianity.
They were socialist zionists - wanted to wipe out judaism.
After they were on the scene, came "revisionist zionists" who were secular, but not evil. They wanted to save all jews, religious ones too, from the holocaust. And you have religious zionists which in the early days were only one or two rabbis . And only much later, grew.
The socialist zionists were the worst. When there was a risk that the irgun would contest their power, they murdered lots of them. Ben Gurion ordered Yitzchak Rabin to shoot at them - them included menachem begin!!
So there are many different groups of zionists.
(by the way, alot of the quotes attributed to ben gurion, are falsified. He was more right wing than Olmert, but not as right wing as muslims present him)
As you must have noticed, there is a big rift between religious and secular.. They do not and cannot sit under one banner. I have seen an article where it was expressed as Jews vs Israelis!