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Save Western Civilization => Save Europe => Topic started by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on January 18, 2007, 03:30:25 AM
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How many of you think Catholicism is almost as big a plague on Western civilization as Islam?
FACT: Virtually all popes favor Israeli surrender, or at least negotiation with, the Muslim world. A few have been cheerleaders for holocausts against Jews and pretty much all non-Catholics.
FACT: A significant core of devout Catholics (i.e. Sobran, Buchanan, Gibson) are enthusiastic Jew-haters and Holocaust deniers and these guys have an awful lot of influence.
FACT: For many years Catholicism taught that Jews, all of them, are responsible for killing Jesus. Yeah, that changed in Vatican II, but how much of that was sincere and how much was in order to appease its critics?
FACT: The Vatican and most, if not all, of its cardinals (Los Angeles' very own Roger Mahony is a prime example) are Mexico-worshipping fascists who demand that America surrender now to the illegal hordes. Gee whiz, do you think that most Hispanics are born into Catholicism might have something to do with this? ::)
FACT: The Catholic Church is, at its core, the worship of religion and the deification of man. It's also the First Church of Hypocrisy. The RCC calls it a mortal sin for a married couple to use any form of contraception or engage in any act that's not "open to life", but pardons time and time and time and time again its thousands of pedophile priests who not only molest, but actually RAPE tens of thousands of little boys. It refuses to turn in these perverts to the authorities and hides/destroys evidence against them, because Church "law" is superior to secular law (hmmm, what other religion teaches that?). Even now, when it's been completely dragged through the mud and discredited in the eyes of pretty much every single non-Catholic man, woman, and child on the planet, the Vatican STILL stonewalls on the priest-abuse issue.
With all due respect to the probable majority of American Catholics that are average, regular people having nothing to do with this wickedness, I think the RCC should be officially renamed to the First Nazi Church of Perpetual Sodomy. Chaim is right about Catholicism and I am not afraid to says so.
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Surely I can get one response to this thread... :-\
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Personally speaking, I have never experienced ill will from numerous Catholic friends and acquaintances over the years.
The only ethnic/religious group which should concern Jews today...
THE JEWS
The enemy destroying Jewish souls and Jewish bodies, is...
THE JEWS
Israel has proven it can defeat combined and heavily armed Arab armies.
Israel has proven its ability to survive against impossible odds for thousands of years.
Israel has proven its great abilities and achievements in all areas of life except:
-AHAVAT YISRAEL....Love for all Jews
-Loving ourselves as Jews, without feeling it necessary to always be seeking approval of others.
-Acting as a united people to ensure our survival regardless of internal and external pressure; be it from governments, nations, individuals, or popular opinion.
Catholics?
They don't worry me....only the Jews do so.
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The catholic church and the muslims are the biggests cults ever, imo.
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First of all, I agree with Massuh that the worst enemy of the Jews are the Jews themselves. If the Jews would do what the Torah commands, no one would be able to touch them. The Jews would bring final and eternal redemption for the Jewish people and the righteous Gentiles if they would simply obey G-d's Torah commandments.
Obviously, I strongly disagree with the Catholic Church's strong support for open borders, illegal aliens, "affirmative action", more foreign aid, the anti-Israel positions, the anti-American positions, the pro-Muslim and pro-Third World positions, etc.
But we face an emergency threat to the very survival of America and Israel from the world's 1.5 billion Muslim Nazis. And the Muslim Nazis are supported by traitor multinational corporations, the traitor news media, self-hating Americans, self-hating Europeans, and last but definitely not least, self-hating Jews both in America and in Israel.
At a time like this, should we be picking a fight with the Catholic Church? We are going to turn off many white ethnic Catholics, who should be our natural allies. Many white Catholics do not agree with the Church's leftwing and "politically correct" positions. But they still honor the Church, because they were born into that religion. If you attack their Church, even if technically they agree with you on the illegal aliens and the other issues, many white Catholics will feel that you are attacking them.
JTF's position is that we want ALL decent Jews and decent Gentiles to unite in the urgent battle to save America, Israel and Western civilization. Obviously, that includes Catholics who understand the emergency situation. Therefore, JTF does not support attacks on the Catholic Church even though we understand the very troubling issues that you raise.
You can continue to express your opinions on this forum, but your attacks on the Church do not reflect JTF's views for the reasons stated.
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Jimmy, I recognize you have a real point. I call upon the many noble and decent Catholic brothers and sisters who I know do not support the policies of the Vatican to pressure their pontiff and his circle for real reform. I am bothered that strict Catholic theology teaches that the church is never, ever wrong, so I am not quite sure how effective that will be, but the effort must be made, and Lord willing, someday it will have a real impact.
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I am a Catholic and you are living in the dark ages - with regard to Catholics views toward Jews at least - I went to Catholic school and regularly attend church - I never heard an antisemitic word - in fact, we were taught that hatred of the Jews is a sin - and especially heinous since Jesus was a Jew. As for the church's views on immigration, I can't agree more - but just about all the organized churches are of the same ilk. As for pedophile priests - I agree that the church has handled this terribly - they should be drummed out and handed over to the cops and treated like anyone else who puts their hands on a child. Unfortunately, pedophiles will find their way into any place that allows them access to children - that includes churches, schools, youth groups, camps, counseling - the list goes on and on - I know people who have had terrible experiences with ministers and yes, rabbis, camp counselors and pediatricians - so the Catholic Church is not alone in this sin. Pope John Paul II saw the holocaust up close and personal and personally led the church down a path of taking responsibility for its horrific acts against Jews over the years. Pope Benedict has been honest about the intentions of Islam - I don't think this guy is any fool when it comes to the Muslims in our midst. The Catholic church is run by human beings (just like other religions) - they screw up, they allow their prejudices to blind them and there is always a share of the unscrupulous among them. But remember, the Church is a bastion against the crazy encroachments of gay "rights"; abortion on demand; euthanasia and slavery - it stands for family values, traditional marriage, respect for life no matter how old, sick or infirm - it has stood against the insanity of radical Islam before, and I believe it will do so again. You need to take a look at the Church of today, and stop living in the past.
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Jimmy, Steve and Massuh put it very well.
Now I'm not a Christian/Catholic, so I don't think it's my place to get into the details here. It looks like you all have strong views on the situation. But let's just try not to fight each other here. Instead let's focus on our common enemies -- radical Islam, terrorism, massive Third World immigration, traitor politicians, the biased mainstream media, etc., and what we can do to save America and Israel.
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I had two catholic friends and they were very conservative pro Israel people so I don't think what you say speaks for all of them. My current Catholic friend wants the pope to declare a crusade to wipe out the muslims but he is disappointed at how liberal the pope is.
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I had two catholic friends and they were very conservative pro Israel people so I don't think what you say speaks for all of them. My current Catholic friend wants the pope to declare a crusade to wipe out the muslims but he is disappointed at how liberal the pope is.
Yeah, and these are exactly the kinds of Catholics we need. I know how many Catholics are genuinely right-wing, patriotic citizens. Unfortunately, the Vatican is not in line with these friends. Can it ever change? I do not know.
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I am Catholic and like you Steve spent 12 years of my life in the Catholic school system. And never heard any antisemetic from atleast the parish I went to about Judism or the Jews. As far as the Pope goes, he is the top spiritual leader for the Catholic church. This new Pope, Pope Benedict, did something good but then turn a disapointment when he was condeming Islam. You all remember when they were threatening his life and they shot down an 60 year old Italian nun in Somalia. And he back peddled to the Muslim cockaroach like anyone else that fear they may of ruffled some feathers. As for myself raised under the Catholic religion I can say personally I love my Jewish brothers and sisters that do fight for the same cause. I do not like weakness among any faith. We must stick together. Many generations infront of ours are depending on this generation now more then ever for us. America is in a crossroad right now. Either we take the direction to have a better America for the next 1000s of years or this country is finished. And I want for my grand children generation and their grand children's generation and America that they can be proud of not a country that looks like a cross between Mexico and Saudi Arabia with a mix of South Africa.
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It is true that, as a former catholic. that I have never heard a word of anti-semitism, but my problem with the 'church' is their liberal outlook on everything in the world. The problem is that these priests are paid a salary to do nothing. They may say one or two masses everyday, but besides that they do nothing. The problem is in the catholic church is the complusion to convert new members, take anyone that wants to be a priest, even if they are a homo, child molester and even worst. My Jewish brothers must remember that nazi germany was a 'lutherin' country. There were some catholics there, but the main religion was lutherin. Does this resolve all catolics or any christians in generals, absolytely wrong, Evil is evil my friends. I, for one who is a Noahide, am proud to stand with my Jewish brothers and sisters, I am proud to align myself wiith any politician who will stand up for a G-d fearing and sane living people. Any christian that supports my fellow believiors are welcomed in my world. All I can say is ISRAEL FOREVER AND MAY IT BE HOLY AND BLESSED IN THE EVES OF G-D. ISRAEL IS A HOLY SITE FOR THE JEWS. No arabs not allowed.
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Fjack writes: "...ISRAEL IS A HOLY SITE FOR THE JEWS. No arabs not allowed..."
Believe it or not, the Talmud states that a Jew is required to welcome a visiting Egyptian, should the Egyptian wish to be received as a guest and visitor.
It says that this is because of the 400 years which the Jews spent as "guests" in the Land Of Egypt.
The Talmud also states that a Jew must accept the marriage of a daughter to an Egyptian, and accept the Egyptian as a son-in-law; should such a scenario develop.
I write the above items not to argue with you, Fjack...only to ensure that "all the i's are dotted and all the t's are crossed", so to speak!
I will ask Chaim to elaborate further on these passages on his next question and answer show.
Regards from MassuhD
("bullwhip in hand; cleansing the land!")
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The Talmud also states that a Jew must accept the marriage of a daughter to an Egyptian, and accept the Egyptian as a son-in-law; should such a scenario develop.
I think on this you should check with Chaim
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I am Catholic and like you Steve spent 12 years of my life in the Catholic school system. And never heard any antisemetic from atleast the parish I went to about Judism or the Jews. As far as the Pope goes, he is the top spiritual leader for the Catholic church. This new Pope, Pope Benedict, did something good but then turn a disapointment when he was condeming Islam. You all remember when they were threatening his life and they shot down an 60 year old Italian nun in Somalia. And he back peddled to the Muslim cockaroach like anyone else that fear they may of ruffled some feathers. As for myself raised under the Catholic religion I can say personally I love my Jewish brothers and sisters that do fight for the same cause. I do not like weakness among any faith. We must stick together. Many generations infront of ours are depending on this generation now more then ever for us. America is in a crossroad right now. Either we take the direction to have a better America for the next 1000s of years or this country is finished. And I want for my grand children generation and their grand children's generation and America that they can be proud of not a country that looks like a cross between Mexico and Saudi Arabia with a mix of South Africa.
Amen. I hope you know from the beginning that my remarks about Catholicism had nothing to do with you or people like you. As you mention in reference to the slain nun, I am extremely disappointed in the pope, for many reasons. However, my opinion of mainstream, patriotic Catholic citizens has never been affected by church scandal/corruption/bad politcs.
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I am a christian, Baptist to be specific. I think it is of the uttermost importance that all of us christians who are committed to JTF stay as unified as possible within the context of JTF and it's work. I think healthy debate over Catholic/Baptist/Lutheren/etc. is a good thing, but it has NO PLACE WHATSOEVER here on this forum or any JTF context. Those are my thoughts on this subject.
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I'm not Catholic and I am sure Catholics have their issues like every other group including the Jewish religon has. What get me though is the double standard that people defend people like Michael Jackson who abused boys yet when a small number of people in the church do it they crusify the whole Catholic religon. I was reading that on the boards here and I just thought that the double standard is pretty disturbing.
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I think all pedos, regardless of background and religion, should be shot, as should those who support or cover for them.
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No it's not Catholicism it's reconstructionist and Reform Jews ;D
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Well, why does a religion need a bank?
What about the Jesuits? Nice people?
Money and power can be a corrupting influence.
My feeling is that although Roman Catholicism is not all bad, it does not measure up to Presbyterianism or the Pentecostals, for instance, who do not have such a technocratic stucture. The power of the message is evident in Catholicism, but I simply cannot trust an organisation with that much money, power, influence.
That said, the Church of England's (protestant) Archbishops are really political appointments. They are not really appointed by the Head of State (King or Queen).
Margaret Thatcher appointed Archbishop Carey to bring Britain in line with America's evangelical movement, the positivism of which was supposed to somehow link in with her radical free-market reforms.
Tony Blair appointed Rt. Rev. John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York:
(http://www.anglicancommunion.org/acns/articles/39/75/acns3990low-res.jpg)
He is probably a decent fellow, but I am no doubt that his appointment was politically motivated and engineered by Britain's neo-Marxists.
Unless Anglican clergymen adhere to 'partiinost', they do not receive promotion.
The Catholic Church in Britain, by contrast, is independent of the Government, so their message is often better on a number of issues, most recently that of 'gay adoption'.
The Presbyterian Church in Scotland and Northern Ireland is more independent still, and these are the sorts of ministries which Communists fear the most...
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Regardless of the faults and flaws that exist in both "organised religion" and Bible based church/synagogue leadership, I really wish people would stop and think for a minute before they start posting things that clearly have the potential to offend members of JTF. I could rant for hours about Catholic history, I know it well, but there are absolutely 100% Jesus loving christians within that system, and some of them are right here. When you irresponsably post things like the title of this thread you are putting others in a position to respond in ways that will probably contain even more irresponsable and unnecessary provacation. There are no good muslims, we know that. But there are good and bad Jews and Christians of every type and also Noahides[I admit I don't know what this is but it's obviously embraced here] So I am starting to wonder if there just shouldn't be some sort of banning on these subjects, period. What difference does it make whether Rome is a huge cult IF NO ONE IS PUSHING SUCH BELIEFS HERE?? The church that I have attended for years has been taking huge leaps to the left, so much so that I am sitting home right now, Sunday morning at 11:39 am instead of being in church, because I need to find a new place to worship. What if it were public knowlege where I worship? Would it make any sense to attack that place even in a truthful way if I am not pushing their socialist agenda here? And it could give people a wrong impression about me. If I were a weaker person I might just up and leave[G-d forbid]. I am kinda ranting off the top of my head, maybe I am missing something but I don't think so. :-\
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Allen, I do agree with you really and I hope that you are not referring to my post.
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Jimmy, I recognize you have a real point. I call upon the many noble and decent Catholic brothers and sisters who I know do not support the policies of the Vatican to pressure their pontiff and his circle for real reform. I am bothered that strict Catholic theology teaches that the church is never, ever wrong, so I am not quite sure how effective that will be, but the effort must be made, and Lord willing, someday it will have a real impact.
Hello my friend, and good day.
Chaimfan, I sympathize with your opinion and stated point of view completely. The horrific history of the Catholic Church leaves me, just as it does you, more than a little bit wary of their direction, and agenda. And nobody is probably tougher on Catholicism than the Protesting Catholics who refer to themselves as Protestants. The question that's been brought up here by some posters is a legitimate one: Does the Catholic Church accurately reflect upon its members?
I think I have to agree with Jimmy on this one. I don't believe the Holy Sea/Rome and their agenda is what most ethnic Catholics have in their heart, and I hope and pray that they can influence their leaders to the right thing, as opposed to their leaders negatively influencing their members. The current Pope has already done some odd things, and I doubt he'll be a real friend to the Jewish people, but that doesn't mean we should group Bible-believing Catholics together with their spiritual leaders. This is one of the rare occasions where we shouldn’t apply guilt by association.
Thank you for your thoughts.
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Well, why does a religion need a bank?
What about the Jesuits? Nice people?
Money and power can be a corrupting influence.
My feeling is that although Roman Catholicism is not all bad, it does not measure up to Presbyterianism or the Pentecostals, for instance, who do not have such a technocratic stucture. The power of the message is evident in Catholicism, but I simply cannot trust an organisation with that much money, power, influence.
That said, the Church of England's (protestant) Archbishops are really political appointments. They are not really appointed by the Head of State (King or Queen).
Margaret Thatcher appointed Archbishop Carey to bring Britain in line with America's evangelical movement, the positivism of which was supposed to somehow link in with her radical free-market reforms.
Tony Blair appointed Rt. Rev. John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York:
(http://www.anglicancommunion.org/acns/articles/39/75/acns3990low-res.jpg)
He is probably a decent fellow, but I am no doubt that his appointment was politically motivated and engineered by Britain's neo-Marxists.
Unless Anglican clergymen adhere to 'partiinost', they do not receive promotion.
The Catholic Church in Britain, by contrast, is independent of the Government, so their message is often better on a number of issues, most recently that of 'gay adoption'.
The Presbyterian Church in Scotland and Northern Ireland is more independent still, and these are the sorts of ministries which Communists fear the most...
At least that ugly [censored] doesn't have a white wife, yet. But who knows how many white women he's had, from stripclubs and so on. :o http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/06/18/nbish18.xml
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At least that ugly schvartza doesn't have a white wife, yet. But who knows how many white women he's had, from stripclubs and so on. :o http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/06/18/nbish18.xml
Aye.
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I apologize for the previous post I made in this thread. It was gratuitous.
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First and foremost I am a Roman Catholic and I am an avid supporter of JTF principles and objectives.
Upon seeing this post, it reaffirms my belief that certain people on this forum should go read more and comment a whole lot less.
I think that Catholicism suffers from the incredible lack of understanding found in non-Catholics. I would like to respond to the points made by the poster one by one.
In regards to Popes vying for Israeli surrender... It must be understood that any "good Christian" is one that is a complete and total pacifist and would surrender his life even if threatened by imminent doom at the hands of evil hordes. So really when you see all these hawkish Christians (like myself) that believe in and take part in killing evil people where they sleep, they are in reality bad Christians. This may seem insane to some but that is what Christianity is at its core. Tying this back in to Israel, it is not that Popes believe in "Israeli surrender" it is that they pray for peaceful resolutions and wish for that to happen even if that meant the Palestinians teeming into Israel murdering every Jew in sight. It is not because the Popes hate Jews, it is because they believe that the Jews letting themselves get murdered is more moral than them killing (sinning) to protect themselves. I know this sounds strange, but it is what it is. Maybe some people see the logic in that even if they believe it is perverse.
In regards to devout Catholics being Jew haters... Saying that any of the individuals you mentioned is a devout Catholic is like me saying that Rudolph Giuliani is a social conservative. In the realm of pacifist, love-driven morals, devout Catholics are probably the most zealous people one could ever meet. It is so cliché on this forum that I almost don't want to say it, but Jews are a sacred people to any good Christian. I was brought up my whole life being told that Jews were God's chosen people. Think of that notion for a moment, a religion that teaches its young adherents that ANOTHER RELIGION's adherents are GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE. Let that set in for a bit.
In regards to Jews killing Jesus... Speaking literally, the Romans convicted and executed Jesus Christ. However, I think that we can all agree on where this concept originates. Jesus was betrayed by Judas, one of his disciples who was a Jew only then to have a crowd of Jews rally before the Romans to essentially lobby for his death. Now this is the part I never understood; Why does any of what I have said, accurate or otherwise, mean that we Catholics have an obligation to hate all Jews for eternity? That goes against the whole concept of Catholicism and Christianity, particularly in two ways. First we should never hate anyone, and should especially love our enemies and those who act against us. Secondly, if it were not for Jesus being arrested and savagely executed then he obviously would not have been able to resurrect and save all mankind from their sins, as is the belief of Catholics.
As for the last bullet that is a bundle of different ideas... Where to begin? First, Catholics do not deify man. We worship God (NOT MARY, STATUES, CRUCIFIXES, CANDLES, INCENSE, BARNEY THE PURPLE DINOSAUR or anything else you might have heard), who is an all powerful being. Jesus Christ was a man. His ability to perform miracles and the like came from his likeness to God, a likeness that all men have due to our being created by God and having souls. The Holy Trinity is what may confuse some people. It is something that is another topic all together which I can speak to if anyone is interested.
Contraception is considered a sin because it prevents the creation of life which must be considered the greatest gift bestowed upon us by God. I am not sure why the poster tied this into pedophilia but I can talk to that a bit too. First of all the pardons come from the Catholic Church's message of mercy and forgiveness. Many of us who are more conservative think pedophiles should be tossed in a cell somewhere or worse, however, that is not the stance of the Catholic Church. That same message of mercy, no matter what the crime, ties back in to the whole "turn the other cheek" concept, which is also why Catholics are not supposed to believe in capital punishment. I can also answer some questions as to why there is a trend of Roman Catholic priests in the United States and you never hear of similar scandals in other nations with many Catholics such as Spain or Italy. One reason is that many men of the generation that are today’s priests were in some cases practically coerced by parents into becoming priests because it was trendy to have a priest in your family. Secondly, regardless of all the Paris Hiltons and Pamela Andersons running amok, America is a very sexually repressed nation. Some would debate that to the bitter end, but I think that people are more comfortable with sexuality in Europe than in America. That being said I genuinely believe that this repression is a factor in the pedophilia issue. As a parallel to support the point, we can look at the pedophilia issue in Muslim countries. I say this not to make a joke, but I know that while I was serving with Iraq, all the biggest baddest terrorists I killed were enjoying little boys much more than their four wives. The whole point being that I think we can count Muslim nations as some of the most sexually repressed nations on Earth.
I will not attack anyone on this forum and I am by no means a perfect Catholic, quite far from it, but I think that if the most creative thing that someone can do on the JTF forum is call my Church the “First Nazi Church of Perpetual Sodomy,” then they are no friend of JTF, Israel, America or Western Civilization. I must say that I am tiring rather quickly of the recurring theme I have seen of people either doing nothing but making jokes and calling out problems and offering no solutions. I believe that Chaim and people like him have every right to joke and criticize because they are ACTORS in the movement, NOT TALKERS. According to the tenets of my own Catholic/Christian faith, I have literally sacrificed my soul doing what I have done for my country and to keep people like the poster safe from threats such as transnational terrorists. I have one final thing to say, and it goes out to all of those people on this forum that are sitting in dorm rooms on college campuses where they are learning some generic trade; You contribute nothing eating potato chips and typing slurs into this forum. Get up off your rear end and join the military, the intelligence or Foreign Service community, enter the political world, DO SOMETHING. I truly tire of putting my life and my family’s stability on the line to do work that benefits and protects people I will never meet and never be thanked by while they accomplish nothing more than being night and weekend cyber activists.
I look forward to responses.
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My feeling is that although Roman Catholicism is not all bad, it does not measure up to Presbyterianism or the Pentecostals, for instance, who do not have such a technocratic stucture. The power of the message is evident in Catholicism, but I simply cannot trust an organisation with that much money, power, influence.
That is an interesting comment considering the money, power and infleuence that has been ammassed worldwide due to the brilliance of the Jewish people. Speaking in the context of modern time I would say that the wealth and infleuence of the worldwide Jewish community is comprable to that of the Catholic Church. For those people that are rolling their eyes, we can debate this but in another thread at another time.
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Re: "Rt. Rev. John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York"
Maybe Tony Blair will now buy the Rt. Reverend a new suit!
Wow!
Looks like he cut up the window drapes at the Holiday Inn Nairobi!
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What was meant by the use of the word 'cult'?
I must agree that this is an offensive thread and divisive to the forum.
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"...I have literally sacrificed my soul doing what I have done for my country and to keep people like the poster safe from threats such as transnational terrorists..."
-Keep sacrificing....we don't feel safe yet.
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"...You contribute nothing eating potato chips and typing slurs into this forum..."
-We provide jobs for Lay's Potato Chips, Inc. (a division of Frito-Lays, Inc.). We keep the internet on line. We also contribute slurs.
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"... I truly tire of putting my life and my family’s stability on the line to do work that benefits and protects people I will never meet and never be thanked by while they accomplish nothing more than being night and weekend cyber activists..."
-Maybe a short vacation at Panama City Beach will help.
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"...Some would debate that to the bitter end, but I think that people are more comfortable with sexuality in Europe than in America..."
-Maybe it's just because they truly enjoy oral-genital herpes infections and contracting human papylovirus.
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"...That being said I genuinely believe that this repression is a factor in the pedophilia issue..."
-I have always genuinely believed that they were simply perverts.
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"...It is not because the Popes hate Jews, it is because they believe that the Jews letting themselves get murdered is more moral than them killing (sinning) to protect themselves...."
-This must explain why The Vatican is protected by its Swiss Guard, and also why the Pope travels with a bullet-proof "PopeMobile".
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People look at the Vatican and make more of it than what it really is. Yes they are a structured organization. One has to look at the Vatican as a small country and the POPE as its leader. The Catholic church does have a great deal of wealth however much of it is in relics that can not be sold to raise cash. In the past 50 years the churches finances have taken a beating due to poor management and declining followers. At one point in the early 90s the Church's finances were in distress. I don't think the evils of the Catholic Church are any better or worse than found in any other organized religion. Its only their great size and profile in the world that makes it seem they have more influence in things than they really do.
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MassuhDGoodName, is that all you have to offer after my detailed and respectful post?
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My best freind is Catholic a great guy, Mormons are a clut and wrose than Catholics, they belive that Natives Americans are Israelities, and that New Jersulam is in the U.S lol, and what worse their helping the Mestizos invade America, and they also had anti-Semitic writings, but it dissloved.
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With the Muslims being an exception, I have never found an individual's religious belief system to be an impediment in regards my ability to become friends with them.
I have always had friends who are Mormon, Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, Lutheran, Pentecostal, Jewish, Hindu, Ba'hai, Buddhist, and Sikh.
There are good and bad people to be found in every race and in every group.
Almost everybody is brought up by their families to believe in the faith in to which they're born.
Every belief system is considered a "cult" by the majority, until it gains such widespread acceptance that it gradually becomes known as a "religion".
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I don't consider myself a member of a cult because I am Catholic.
I practice the Catholic religion.
I think we can safely say that Catholicism is an established religion and not a cult.
I know you think we all drink the Pope's KoolAid. ;) You would be wrong to assume that.
I participate in this forum because of the great respect I have for Chaim and JTF.
I was taught by my (Catholic) Father to have great respect for the people of Israel.
He often tells me of their great accomplishments.
So there you have it - I am a much dreaded Catholic American of Italian descent.
Yet - I was not taught to hate people based on their religion.
Except if they are terrorists.
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Assymetry asks: "MassuhDGoodName, is that all you have to offer after my detailed and respectful post?"
uh-huh!
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How many of you think Catholicism is almost as big a plague on Western civilization as Islam?
FACT: Virtually all popes favor Israeli surrender, or at least negotiation with, the Muslim world. A few have been cheerleaders for holocausts against Jews and pretty much all non-Catholics.
FACT: A significant core of devout Catholics (i.e. Sobran, Buchanan, Gibson) are enthusiastic Jew-haters and Holocaust deniers and these guys have an awful lot of influence.
FACT: For many years Catholicism taught that Jews, all of them, are responsible for killing Jesus. Yeah, that changed in Vatican II, but how much of that was sincere and how much was in order to appease its critics?
FACT: The Vatican and most, if not all, of its cardinals (Los Angeles' very own Roger Mahony is a prime example) are Mexico-worshipping fascists who demand that America surrender now to the illegal hordes. Gee whiz, do you think that most Hispanics are born into Catholicism might have something to do with this? ::)
FACT: The Catholic Church is, at its core, the worship of religion and the deification of man. It's also the First Church of Hypocrisy. The RCC calls it a mortal sin for a married couple to use any form of contraception or engage in any act that's not "open to life", but pardons time and time and time and time again its thousands of pedophile priests who not only molest, but actually RAPE tens of thousands of little boys. It refuses to turn in these perverts to the authorities and hides/destroys evidence against them, because Church "law" is superior to secular law (hmmm, what other religion teaches that?). Even now, when it's been completely dragged through the mud and discredited in the eyes of pretty much every single non-Catholic man, woman, and child on the planet, the Vatican STILL stonewalls on the priest-abuse issue.
With all due respect to the probable majority of American Catholics that are average, regular people having nothing to do with this wickedness, I think the RCC should be officially renamed to the First Nazi Church of Perpetual Sodomy. Chaim is right about Catholicism and I am not afraid to says so.
i agree.
I do not cosider the smoke chucjers are christians, they are sun god worshippers that have hijacked christianity.
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No, I don't believe catholicism is a cult but I do believe the pope's views on the Arab-Israeli issues are appeasement and just plain immoral.
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This topic is divisive and we have many good Catholics in JTF. I am locking this thread.