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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Taylor on June 20, 2008, 03:09:03 AM
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http://avideditor.wordpress.com/2008/06/19/why-little-green-footballs-is-a-hate-site-and-why-anyone-that-believes-in-g-d-should-take-it-off-your-blog-roll/
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Exposing Islamo-Fascism and the fifth column that supports and defends the jihadis is important. But attacking people that believe in G-d is just down low. There is a difference between a Jihadi and a person of faith. It looks like Charles has lost line. He is running a hate sight against anyone that believe G-d is behind the creation of the world. A good friend of mine was just banned from LGF he started a new blog. Check it out.
IT IS TIME FOR PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE IN G-D TO STAND UP AND STOP ALLOWING CHARLES TO PREACH HIS HATE. I was with him when he rallied against the jihadis. I was with him when he rallied against the neo-nazis. BUT I WILL NOT BE WITH HIM WHEN HE RALLIED AGAIST BELIEVING IN G-D.
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Charles has no purpose in life. He is obviously a descendant of pigs and apes and his morals and interpersonal skills demonstrate his lineage. He is a random speck of dirt on the microscope slide of reality. Just like all dust in the wind his words and thoughts will be like nothing in the course of history. He is so full of himself, and his narcissism shows.
I think this language is too strong and not helpfull. In addition to that it is Muzzi-slang of quranic origin. :-\
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What??.. .LGF has done great things to expose Muslims and nazis alike. He also esposed Ron Pauls antisemitism as well. And BTW. there are great athiests out there. Geert Wilder is one. And we have a couple great athiest posters on this site as well.
Brian
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What??.. .LGF has done great things to expose Muslims and nazis alike. He also esposed Ron Pauls antisemitism as well. And BTW. there are great athiests out there. Geert Wilder is one. And we have a couple great athiest posters on this site as well.
Brian
Okay I think it is great that he is exposing the jihadis but he is being anti hashem right now, and it is wrong. Advocating creationism and banning users because they believe in Hashem is wrong.
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Charles has gone out of his way, time after time, to support Jews and Israel. Yes, he is also an atheist. That is his right. I'm not an atheist but he doesn't have to be just like me to be a valuable fighter against jihad and the suppression of free speech. So to call his site a place of hate against Jews is very wrong.
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The neo-nazis in europe now support Israel. Should we not say the european neo-nazis hate the jews. I think Charles actions in banning Jews who stand up for Hashem is a spiritual attack and wrong.
I have no problems with Athiest but I do have a problem with Athiest that try to link believing in G-d to being a Jihadi. I think that is where Little Green Footballs is going. There are plenty of sights such as http://www.jihadwatch.org/ that reveal the news about Jihadis with out equating Jews to them.
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The neo-nazis in europe now support Israel. Should we not say the european neo-nazis hate the jews. I think Charles actions in banning Jews who stand up for Hashem is a spiritual attack and wrong.
I have no problems with Athiest but I do have a problem with Athiest that try to link believing in G-d to being a Jihadi. I think that is where Little Green Footballs is going. There are plenty of sights such as http://www.jihadwatch.org/ that reveal the news about Jihadis with out equating Jews to them.
I know, that there are some groups of crypto-Nazis, who pretend to support Israel, but the vast majority of this animals try to ally with the Muzzie beasts. I remember the so called "Holocaust conference" in Teheran before a while. Nearly all important Nazi groups from Europe sent delegates.
But you are right. Even the crypto-Nazis hate Jews and Christians. Look at the website of the BNP. It is full of pagan symbols.
I don't support this trend of anti-jihad websites to go against believers at all. But we have to debate them in a serious way. We have the better arguments. :)
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The neo-nazis in europe now support Israel. Should we not say the european neo-nazis hate the jews. I think Charles actions in banning Jews who stand up for Hashem is a spiritual attack and wrong.
I have no problems with Athiest but I do have a problem with Athiest that try to link believing in G-d to being a Jihadi. I think that is where Little Green Footballs is going. There are plenty of sights such as http://www.jihadwatch.org/ that reveal the news about Jihadis with out equating Jews to them.
I know, that there are some groups of crypto-Nazis, who pretend to support Israel, but the vast majority of this animals try to ally with the Muzzie beasts. I remember the so called "Holocaust conference" in Teheran before a while. Nearly all important Nazi groups from Europe sent delegates.
But you are right. Even the crypto-Nazis hate Jews and Christians. Look at the website of the BNP. It is full of pagan symbols.
I don't support this trend of anti-jihad websites to go against believers at all. But we have to debate them in a serious way. We have the better arguments. :)
What do you think about my friends approach in starting a blog in order to address how LGF has starting attacking all people of faith. http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/welcome-to-lgfsucks-blog/ ?
Muman613 is going to hopefully be on this thread later when his registration goes through.
I think it is important to point out the anti religious nature of LGF because many Jewish people go there and can be lead astray. I think it is important to attack Jihadis. Please don't get me wrong. But I think LGF is walking down the wrong path and it is getting worse.
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I've met Charles in person, and I visit his site regularly. I have never seen anything there against Jews or Israel. In fact, Charles does a great job of exposing Islamo-nutters, other anti-Semites and media bias in general. He's received death threats, but he keeps on going, because he feels the facts need to be made known.
So if you're going to accuse him of running a hate site against Jews, I suggest you at least come up with a link to a specific comment or post.
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I have to agree with Lisa so far. Based on what has been presented, this guy appears to be anti-religious in general, not specifically anti-Semitic. That is bad enough, but it's not fair to accuse him of Jew-hatred if he has not actually partaken in any.
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I'd like to share one more thing.
When I met Charles at the Pajamas Media party a while back, I asked him if he ever got depressed or despondent reading about all the bad things happening to Jews in Israel, and in other parts of the world.
His response to me was that these facts have to be made known. I then asked if he ever managed to change anyone's mind, and he said, yes, and he gave me the example of some German guy.
More recently Charles and Pamela from Atlas Shrugs had a sort of argument over an anti-Jihad conference in Belgium, which Pamela attended and covered on her blog. Charles was against it, because he believed some of the European participants to be involved with white nationalist anti-semites.
But anyway, Avideditor, your friend is free to make any kind of blog he wants to. But I don't think it's a good idea for right leaning, pro Israel people to fight with each other. We all need to work together.
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In the battle against Jihad we have to make a compromises. It endangers the cause if we accept only people who are 100% alike.
Pat Condell or Sam Harris for example are atheists, but valuable assets in the against islamic jihad.
You may criticize them, but condeming them entirely wouldn't be smart.
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I'd like to share one more thing.
When I met Charles at the Pajamas Media party a while back, I asked him if he ever got depressed or despondent reading about all the bad things happening to Jews in Israel, and in other parts of the world.
His response to me was that these facts have to be made known. I then asked if he ever managed to change anyone's mind, and he said, yes, and he gave me the example of some German guy.
More recently Charles and Pamela from Atlas Shrugs had a sort of argument over an anti-Jihad conference in Belgium, which Pamela attended and covered on her blog. Charles was against it, because he believed some of the European participants to be involved with white nationalist anti-semites.
But anyway, Avideditor, your friend is free to make any kind of blog he wants to. But I don't think it's a good idea for right leaning, pro Israel people to fight with each other. We all need to work together.
I agree, Lisa.
I say we leave them alone. They are doing a great job trashing Obama-which should be our main concern right now.
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The neo-nazis in europe now support Israel. Should we not say the european neo-nazis hate the jews. I think Charles actions in banning Jews who stand up for Hashem is a spiritual attack and wrong.
I have no problems with Athiest but I do have a problem with Athiest that try to link believing in G-d to being a Jihadi. I think that is where Little Green Footballs is going. There are plenty of sights such as http://www.jihadwatch.org/ that reveal the news about Jihadis with out equating Jews to them.
I know, that there are some groups of crypto-Nazis, who pretend to support Israel, but the vast majority of this animals try to ally with the Muzzie beasts. I remember the so called "Holocaust conference" in Teheran before a while. Nearly all important Nazi groups from Europe sent delegates.
But you are right. Even the crypto-Nazis hate Jews and Christians. Look at the website of the BNP. It is full of pagan symbols.
I don't support this trend of anti-jihad websites to go against believers at all. But we have to debate them in a serious way. We have the better arguments. :)
Actually, the pagan symbols have been removed from the BNP site. And the BNP completely and fully supports Israel now... more than the any other party in Britain. There are still remnants of BNP's ugly past... but they are slowly evolving... and they have some great members there.
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But the symbols where there before a few weeks. I saw it. Possible, that they are in a phase of change. But I have seen so much treason in rightwing parties. In Germany are a few movements that pretend to support Israel. But then they published evil declarations on Afghanistan, Iraq and Israel on their website. Underthesun has posted some interesting infos in the save Europe section about them.
I really want to be no killjoy, but the goal of the bnp is to deport all non-white people from Greatbritain.
This is in my oppinion not congruent with our goals. :-\
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But the symbols where there before a few weeks. I saw it. Possible, that they are in a phase of change. But I have seen so much treason in rightwing parties. In Germany are a few movements that pretend to support Israel. But then they published evil declarations on Afghanistan, Iraq and Israel on their website. Underthesun has posted some interesting infos in the save Europe section about them.
I really want to be no killjoy, but the goal of the bnp is to deport all non-white people from Greatbritain.
This is in my oppinion not congruent with our goals. :-\
I completely understand what you are saying. Firstly.... anything right wing out of Germany I will never trust.
However... I am in constant communication with people from the BNP and they are great righteous individuals. And are no more white supremicist than we are here at JTF.
Most importantly... the YOUNGER right wing European parties are helping our cause. Geert Wilder is such an example. His party beleives in closing the borders and illegalizing Islam. That is exactly whay all of us want. And he does this while showing his contempt for Neo-Nazis as well.
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Most importantly... the YOUNGER right wing European parties are helping our cause. Geert Wilder is such an example. His party beleives in closing the borders and illegalizing Islam. That is exactly whay all of us want. And he does this while showing his contempt for Neo-Nazis as well.
Geert Wilders actually visited Israel when he was younger. And I read somewhere that he believes he has some Jewish ancestry.
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I have to agree with Lisa so far. Based on what has been presented, this guy appears to be anti-religious in general, not specifically anti-Semitic. That is bad enough, but it's not fair to accuse him of Jew-hatred if he has not actually partaken in any.
I asked my rabbi last night before writing this. Some one that tries to move jews away from G-d and bans Jews for standing up to G-d is anti-Jewish. Just because Charles is not attacking our physical being he is attacking our souls. Just look at how many posts he has posted about Ben Steins new movie. I think he is using that movie to attack any belief in G-d. He silents jewish people trying to stand up for their belief the same way he silents the jihadi supporters. I believe his work is becoming anti Jewish. I have been visiting his site for years and I don't like the way it is turning.
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LGF is many things, but anti-semitic is not one of them. During the war in Lebanon, the site exposed how Reuters was doctoring photos, servings as an extension of Hezbollah's Propaganda Ministry.
He's always broadcasting video's of PLO Nazi propaganda and criticizing The Israeli government's incredible stupidity.
Recently, he's been ripping into Pat Buchanan, exposing that his magazine had an article linking Mossad to 9/11 or his recent book, which is a revision of WW2.
Here's an excellent link to his newest exposition on Buchanan: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30416_Pat_Buchanan-_Hitler_Didnt_Plan_to_Kill_the_Jews
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LGF is many things, but anti-semitic is not one of them. During the war in Lebanon, the site exposed how Reuters was doctoring photos, servings as an extension of Hezbollah's Propaganda Ministry.
He's always broadcasting video's of PLO Nazi propaganda and criticizing The Israeli government's incredible stupidity.
Recently, he's been ripping into Pat Buchanan, exposing that his magazine had an article linking Mossad to 9/11 or his recent book, which is a revision of WW2.
Here's an excellent link to his newest exposition on Buchanan: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30416_Pat_Buchanan-_Hitler_Didnt_Plan_to_Kill_the_Jews
I never said it was anti semetic all I am saying is it is against the jewish belief in G-d and banning users for believing in G-d. I don't think Charles dislikes jews unless they believe in Hashem. I think Charles has done some great work in exposing the forgeries of jihadis and the leftist that support the jihadis. But just look at all the anti Hashem articles he posted in the last week. He is now attacking Hashem just like he is attacking the jihadis.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30415_Science-_Major_Dinosaur_Fossil_Discovery_in_Utah#rss
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30411_Science-_A_New_Step_In_Evolution#rss
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30398_Science-_Bacterial_Evolution_Observed_in_Laboratory#rss
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30385_Jindals_College_Professor_Says_Dont_Hold_Back_the_Next_Generation#rss
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30371_And_Now_for_Some_Origin_of_Species#rss
Keep in mind these articles are promoting evolution. Which I agree with to an extent. But look in the comments and what he is saying. He is trying to deceive his readers that Hashem is not behind the creation of the world. He is attacking the Jewish soul. And banning users that promote the belief that Hashem created the world.
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LGF is many things, but anti-semitic is not one of them. During the war in Lebanon, the site exposed how Reuters was doctoring photos, servings as an extension of Hezbollah's Propaganda Ministry.
He's always broadcasting video's of PLO Nazi propaganda and criticizing The Israeli government's incredible stupidity.
Recently, he's been ripping into Pat Buchanan, exposing that his magazine had an article linking Mossad to 9/11 or his recent book, which is a revision of WW2.
Here's an excellent link to his newest exposition on Buchanan: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30416_Pat_Buchanan-_Hitler_Didnt_Plan_to_Kill_the_Jews
I never said it was anti semetic all I am saying is it is against the jewish belief in G-d and banning users for believing in G-d. I don't think Charles dislikes jews unless they believe in Hashem. I think Charles has done some great work in exposing the forgeries of jihadis and the leftist that support the jihadis. But just look at all the anti Hashem articles he posted in the last week. He is now attacking Hashem just like he is attacking the jihadis.
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LGF is many things, but anti-semitic is not one of them. During the war in Lebanon, the site exposed how Reuters was doctoring photos, servings as an extension of Hezbollah's Propaganda Ministry.
He's always broadcasting video's of PLO Nazi propaganda and criticizing The Israeli government's incredible stupidity.
Recently, he's been ripping into Pat Buchanan, exposing that his magazine had an article linking Mossad to 9/11 or his recent book, which is a revision of WW2.
Here's an excellent link to his newest exposition on Buchanan: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30416_Pat_Buchanan-_Hitler_Didnt_Plan_to_Kill_the_Jews
I never said it was anti semetic all I am saying is it is against the jewish belief in G-d and banning users for believing in G-d. I don't think Charles dislikes jews unless they believe in Hashem. I think Charles has done some great work in exposing the forgeries of jihadis and the leftist that support the jihadis. But just look at all the anti Hashem articles he posted in the last week. He is now attacking Hashem just like he is attacking the jihadis.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30415_Science-_Major_Dinosaur_Fossil_Discovery_in_Utah#rss
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30411_Science-_A_New_Step_In_Evolution#rss
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30398_Science-_Bacterial_Evolution_Observed_in_Laboratory#rss
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30385_Jindals_College_Professor_Says_Dont_Hold_Back_the_Next_Generation#rss
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30371_And_Now_for_Some_Origin_of_Species#rss
Keep in mind these articles are promoting evolution. Which I agree with to an extent. But look in the comments and what he is saying. He is trying to deceive his readers that Hashem is not behind the creation of the world. He is attacking the Jewish soul. And banning users that promote the belief that Hashem created the world.
While Im not an expert on this subject, there are a lot of religious people who believe in variations of evolution... most notably, intelligent design.
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In the battle against Jihad we have to make a compromises. It endangers the cause if we accept only people who are 100% alike.
Pat Condell or Sam Harris for example are atheists, but valuable assets in the against islamic jihad.
You may criticize them, but condeming them entirely wouldn't be smart.
Pat Condell makes some great points on Islam but he is also vehemently anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli.
His video "What about the Jews?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vaw658Bow8
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In the battle against Jihad we have to make a compromises. It endangers the cause if we accept only people who are 100% alike.
Pat Condell or Sam Harris for example are atheists, but valuable assets in the against islamic jihad.
You may criticize them, but condeming them entirely wouldn't be smart.
Pat Condell makes some great points on Islam but he is also vehemently anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli.
His video "What about the Jews?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vaw658Bow8
Wow that is disappointing I am going to stop linking to his videos. Pat Condel is disappointing but what do you expect from someone that argues against Hashem.
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Hello my brothers and sisters,
I am the one who started the LGF sucks blog. I personally dont believe that Charles is antisemitic nor does he hate Jews. My only problem is that he has taken a stance which labels anyone who believes that the universe was created by Hashem as an ID freak.
My crime was making comments which always pointed out that every discovery in evolution should be viewed in the light of Hashems hand. I understand why some would argue against a literal interpretation of Bereshit. I have no problem because I understand that the story is allegorical and not a physical description of the process. I also believe that the 6 days actually could have been millions of years during which the seperations of forces occured {see Bereshit}.
The reason I started this Blog was to spread the word of Hashem and to counter the negativity which Charles brings into the world through his crusade against all which is holy and dear to the religious Jew who lives to glorify Hashem.
Please check out my blog @ http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com
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Charles has no purpose in life. He is obviously a descendant of pigs and apes and his morals and interpersonal skills demonstrate his lineage. He is a random speck of dirt on the microscope slide of reality. Just like all dust in the wind his words and thoughts will be like nothing in the course of history. He is so full of himself, and his narcissism shows.
I think this language is too strong and not helpfull. In addition to that it is Muzzi-slang of quranic origin. :-\
Yes Pheasant, It is a bit edgy. That is the only reason I said it. I was very upset at being banned at the time. As time goes by I dont miss LGF at all. There are plenty of other great websites to get information from these days. I am really working on the middah of avoiding Lashon Hara. I just heard a couple of great shuirim from the http://torahanytime.com (http://torahanytime.com) site about this topic in relation to last Shabbos Parasha Shelach {which I wrote an article about on my blog}.
I think this site shares many of my opinions and so far I think that everyone here is wonderful. I am one who really strives for Ahavas Yisroel and sometimes I say things which I regret. I just hope that everyone has patience with me while I get accustomed to your minhag {so to speak}.
We need to work together to make it through this difficult time. I have never been more anxious about a presidential election. It seems unbelievable that the Democrats could be so low this year as to run someone like BHO. I am very upset at his apparent lack of urgency in the war on terrorists around the world. My family is a victim of the attacks on 9/11 because my brother died while working for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 105th floor of WTC tower #1.
It is sick to see this great country fall into the hands of communists and antisemites. If only half of the bad things about Obama are true, we are surely in for a tough four years. The demoncrats are openly talking about taking over the oil companies. They are also talking about limiting free speech. These are the steps toward a fascist government. Is it any wonder us Jews start to see it like Hitler {may his name be cursed} all over again. I just pray each day that it is not as bad as it seems.
Well, have a good evening...
Shalom!
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Hello my brothers and sisters,
I am the one who started the LGF sucks blog. I personally dont believe that Charles is antisemitic nor does he hate Jews. My only problem is that he has taken a stance which labels anyone who believes that the universe was created by Hashem as an ID freak.
My crime was making comments which always pointed out that every discovery in evolution should be viewed in the light of Hashems hand. I understand why some would argue against a literal interpretation of Bereshit. I have no problem because I understand that the story is allegorical and not a physical description of the process. I also believe that the 6 days actually could have been millions of years during which the seperations of forces occured {see Bereshit}.
The reason I started this Blog was to spread the word of Hashem and to counter the negativity which Charles brings into the world through his crusade against all which is holy and dear to the religious Jew who lives to glorify Hashem.
Please check out my blog @ http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com
Hello muman613,
I just read your blog, and am glad you found our forum, welcome here!
A couple of months ago, I became aware of the dictatorial style of Charles from LGF.
There was some controversy about Charles on the Brussel's Journal website :
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2613
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muman613: "...The demoncrats are openly talking about taking over the oil companies. They are also talking about limiting free speech. These are the steps toward a fascist government."
Correction:
We currently have a fascist government; defined as a government structure combining government, the media, private industry, and the military/industrial complex; functioning as one body.
The actual nationalization of major industries would change the style of our government to one defined as Socialist.
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muman613: "...The demoncrats are openly talking about taking over the oil companies. They are also talking about limiting free speech. These are the steps toward a fascist government."
Correction:
We currently have a fascist government; defined as a government structure combining government, the media, private industry, and the military/industrial complex; functioning as one body.
The actual nationalization of major industries would change the style of our government to one defined as Socialist.
I agree with that.
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I think you are going a bit far the media is controlled by jihadi petro Dollars not our government. Our government may be bad but it will get alot worse if Obama gets elected. I think the flaw in American government now is not standing up against the jihadis. I think on 9-12 Bush should have bomb saudi Arabia. The reason Bush didn't is because the Saudis are friends of his and own major interests in our country. However, I can forgive Bush if he Bombs Iran before he leaves office.
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It used to be good though!
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avideditor, I disagree with you. I don't think that LGF is an anti-Jewish site. Charles is a staunch supporter of Israel, and this is the most important thing in my eyes that overrides his atheism, with which I disagree. Chaim works with atheists and secular Jews in Israel. Why should we be "holier than the Pope"?
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I'll have to agree with Masha as well. Although we don't agree with his atheism, Charles is doing some wonderful work. The fact that he disagrees with Creationism in no way prevents other people being free to believe whatever they want. So saying his site is anti-Jewish is really going too far.
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avideditor, I disagree with you. I don't think that LGF is an anti-Jewish site. Charles is a staunch supporter of Israel, and this is the most important thing in my eyes that overrides his atheism, with which I disagree. Chaim works with atheists and secular Jews in Israel. Why should we be "holier than the Pope"?
I think attacking the jewish soul is worse than attacking the jewish body. I can live with atheist xtains and other faiths that don't use there forum to attack the jewish soul. I think charles crossed the line.
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How exactly did Charles attack the Jewish soul?
Can you at least copy and paste the comments that got your friend banned, along with Charles' response?
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This issue is not what he believes. The issue is that he is bullying most of the people who maintain faith in Hashem despite all his attempts to PROVE otherwise. For this reason I would not recommend reading his site. Anyone who wants to retain their Emmuna should either avoid the site altogether or just skip his attempts at PROVING that there is no Ribbono Shel Olam.
He was very spiteful and even hateful as he banned me, speaking gossip behind my back. For this I will not forgive the man. And this is the reason I have started this blog.
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Please note that he has also banned xtians of faith because of their attempts to portray the science of evolution in the light of Hashems glory. I can care less what he believes. But to treat people with such contempt is downright cruel. I got along with everyone who I used to chat with. And I have heard from others that they were treated similarly.
You can do what you want, read what you want, and support what you want. But realize that he is confused about what is right and wrong. I really dont understand why he supports Israel if he doesnt believe that Hashem gave it to us. The only reason we should establish a JEWISH state in the land of Israel is because Hashem made a promise to our patriarch Avraham Avinu.
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How exactly did Charles attack the Jewish soul?
Can you at least copy and paste the comments that got your friend banned, along with Charles' response?
Did muman613 answer your question well enough. I no longer read the comments at LGF. I just follow the main threads. It seems to be focusing now on attacking people who believe in Hashem as much as he is criticizing the pali jihadis. I was just reporting what Muman613 said at his site http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/ . I wish LGF would go back to its former glory and stop attacking people that believe in Hashem.
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LGF are just another site which against islamism only becouse it's not "enlightened" read atheist and progressive. While Lisa is right that Charles is currently pro Israeli and we shud continue to cooperate with him against muslims and nazis he was already wrong about BJ, and he'll be first to attack Israel governed not only by Kahanists but Likud under honest people like Moshe Feiglin. Thanks for warning Avideditor they're sites like Wienna Gates better in antijihadism too without the secularist spin.
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Great work on the site Muman. I hope you keep up the good fight. http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/
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Little Green Footballs 2 is launched. LGF with out the hate for Hashem. http://littlegreenfootballs2.com/