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Torah and Jewish Idea => Torah and Jewish Idea => Topic started by: Kushiel on July 09, 2008, 10:41:16 AM
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Obviously i am aware that drinking is not forbiden by Jewish law, but as someone raised in a particualy "non-jewish" environment of working class australia, I was wondering if there was a specific prohibition to having perhaps a few too many drinks with some mates, for example having 8 or 10 beers at a pub with your mates on the weekend. Forgive my ignorance, but the parent i live with dosnt really care about Halakha either way so i'm pretty ignorant about the more complex issues.
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I know for a fact there is one particular Jewish Sect that allows getting drunk one day a year.... :)
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With me its more a case of once a weekend, like a good way to let off steam. I guess i should find a Rabbi and ask them.
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Sorry to say you cant drink with gentiles socially.
And to Hanna- its not a sect, everyone has a mitzva to drink a little on Purim, many drink a little, some get a little drunk, some just take a nap.
And about even drinking at home, if your parents are not Shomer Shabb-t, you need to buy kosher (obviously) Wine that is MEVUSHAL, which is cooked or pasturized (not sure, but it will say Mevushal on the bottle).
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Drinking culture is very foreign to the Jewish culture. In Israel we had very little alcoholism, and alcohol consumption is still much lower then in any western country. Things begun to change due to the immigration from Russia as the Russian Jews (and non Jews) brought with them a drinking culture. And also due to globalism, Young Israelis like to imitate the western habit of social drinking.
If you try to keep kosher, you should know that wine is not kosher unless it has a hechsher from rabbis. most other acloholic drinks like beer and spirits are kosher.
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I only drink wine at religious events, so that would be kosher, and the beer and spirits are kosher in substance, but I can't drink them socially with my gentile friends.
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I know for a fact there is one particular Jewish Sect that allows getting drunk one day a year.... :)
Every Jew is supposed to get drunk in celebration on Purim.
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It's not a particularly "Jewish" behavior to binge drink, and it's not healthy in the long run either. But whether or not it is specifically forbidden to do it..... As Tzvi said, there is an issue of socially drinking with non Jews. But I mean, this is not like a foundation of Jewish practice. This is probably not one of the first things someone interested in spirituality should take on right away. I get the impression that you are not particularly observant but are interested. Asking a rabbi is always a good idea for any questions. But this is not something major like, say, beginning to keep Shabbat, or keeping kosher, or putting on tefillin. Those are kind of the basics that somebody should try and experience first, not driving oneself crazy with some of the smaller issues and stringencies. Those areas will come in time.
For instance your rabbi, if he knows you, or if you find one and explain the situation thoroughly and all the context about your interest in Jewish observance your background etc, might tell you something like, if this is the way you socialize, and your way of winding down after work, and you would have no contact with any friends or no way of interacting with people if you suddenly stopped completely and this would make you totally unhappy, then don't go out of your way to completely cut this out of your life. Maybe cut down on it a little bit, or not at all, or maybe take on something small first like saying shema or putting on tefillin to grow from there. If you start with something like cutting out the social drinking/bar scene and make a radical change without taking on the more meaningful stuff, it might drive you away from Judaism where you might have otherwise grown tremendously, or worse, it might drive you insane!
I would say talk to a rabbi. The bottom line is you need to find a Rav who will get to know you well and help you grow at a pace that is comfortable and sane.
Outside of the Jewish context, in my opinion, you really should consider cutting down on the number of drinks you have when you go out. In the long run that will be very unhealthy especially for the liver, and also the brain. Try having only a few drinks sometimes. It's just not a healthy lifestyle to binge drink like that all the time.
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Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
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might tell you something like, if this is the way you socialize, and your way of winding down after work, and you would have no contact with any friends or no way of interacting with people if you suddenly stopped completely and this would make you totally unhappy, then don't go out of your way to completely cut this out of your life.
I dont think a Rav (a real one) would say anything like that. Maybe they would say when asked to right away start keeping Shabb-t and concentrating the good inclination towards that and Koshrut and family purity (the essentials, but at the same time no one would say something like that because in effect it is saying that a sin (any, no matter how minor it might look) is okay, and this is a very bad attitude to have in life because one is accepting defeat and psychologically is ruining onself.
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I get the impression that you are not particularly observant but are interested. Asking a rabbi is always a good idea for any questions
Thats pretty much it, but I have been keeping Koshrut for about 5 months, but Shabbat isn't always easy and I'm not to sure about Teffelin, I mean I know what they are but I don't think I'm observant enough yet.
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Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
I'd like to hear the answer to this one too. Would this also mean that there couldn't be any mixed JTF barbecue?
I think it might have something to do with not drinking things that could have been used to make offerings to idols, or something like that, but I'm not sure. Tzvi, could you shed some light on this for us please?
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Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
I'd like to hear the answer to this one too. Would this also mean that there couldn't be any mixed JTF barbecue?
I think it might have something to do with not drinking things that could have been used to make offerings to idols, or something like that, but I'm not sure. Tzvi, could you shed some light on this for us please?
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Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
I'd like to hear the answer to this one too. Would this also mean that there couldn't be any mixed JTF barbecue?
I think it might have something to do with not drinking things that could have been used to make offerings to idols, or something like that, but I'm not sure. Tzvi, could you shed some light on this for us please?
I had a guy I used to work with who drank with the rest of us at the christmas /Hanukkah party
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Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
I'd like to hear the answer to this one too. Would this also mean that there couldn't be any mixed JTF barbecue?
I think it might have something to do with not drinking things that could have been used to make offerings to idols, or something like that, but I'm not sure. Tzvi, could you shed some light on this for us please?
I had a guy I used to work with who drank with the rest of us at the christmas /Hanukkah party
There is a wide range of religious observance among Jews. Some are a lot more strict than others.
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might tell you something like, if this is the way you socialize, and your way of winding down after work, and you would have no contact with any friends or no way of interacting with people if you suddenly stopped completely and this would make you totally unhappy, then don't go out of your way to completely cut this out of your life.
I dont think a Rav (a real one) would say anything like that. Maybe they would say when asked to right away start keeping Shabbat and concentrating the good inclination towards that and Koshrut and family purity (the essentials, but at the same time no one would say something like that because in effect it is saying that a sin (any, no matter how minor it might look) is okay, and this is a very bad attitude to have in life because one is accepting defeat and psychologically is ruining onself.
Tzvi. I'm a BT. I know many BT's. I know how my Rav has instructed me with certain things before. You cannot take on all things at once. You cannot become religious over night. I don't know what you are, but you sound insane!
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might tell you something like, if this is the way you socialize, and your way of winding down after work, and you would have no contact with any friends or no way of interacting with people if you suddenly stopped completely and this would make you totally unhappy, then don't go out of your way to completely cut this out of your life.
I dont think a Rav (a real one) would say anything like that. Maybe they would say when asked to right away start keeping Shabbat and concentrating the good inclination towards that and Koshrut and family purity (the essentials, but at the same time no one would say something like that because in effect it is saying that a sin (any, no matter how minor it might look) is okay, and this is a very bad attitude to have in life because one is accepting defeat and psychologically is ruining onself.
Tzvi. I'm a BT. I know many BT's. I know how my Rav has instructed me with certain things before. You cannot take on all things at once. You cannot become religious over night. I don't know what you are, but you sound insane!
So am I. I didn't say take everything at once (although I have heard it said before), all I said was that that a (wise) Rav would not use that type of language. It is the type of talk that will not likly have good results. If one (who doesn't do anything for example, just found out that the Torah is EMET) then comes to a Rav, yes the first thing they would tell and teach him is to keep Shabb-t, Kosher, family purity, (also haircut, but that's by Shulhan Aruch which sounds wierd, but has a lot of meaning also), and THEN teach him other laws at a time. BUT in a situation where one asks a Rabbi- "Rabbi can I do sin X, or sin Y or sin Z" which Rav would have the right to say, "sure I understand, you didn't grow up religious so it is okay if you do X Y or Z".
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II get the impression that you are not particularly observant but are interested. Asking a rabbi is always a good idea for any questions
Thats pretty much it, but I have been keeping Koshrut for about 5 months, but Shabbat isn't always easy and I'm not to sure about Teffelin, I mean I know what they are but I don't think I'm observant enough yet.
Shabbat is a must, it is a life and death situation. Remember at the beginning you might feel that you are suffering, but after maybe 3 or 4 Shabbat's (depending on each person) you will begin to love it, enjoy it + get a hugg reward for it.
Tefillin is a very easy mitzva to fulfill and it has very great merit to it. Shabbat Brit and Tefillin are the covenent between the nation of Israel and G-d. Even if you are not praying the full prayers, or know how to read Hebrew, just putting it on for a few minutes and reading the Shema is a VERY great Mitzva, protection and will bring connection b/w you and Hashem. If for some reason one missis it in the morning, one can Bdiavad (if it already happened, put them on the whole day- while the sun is up).
" but I don't think I'm observant enough yet"
that's the bad side of humbleness. In this situation this type of humbleness is BAD. A Jew should never feel humble not to do a Mitzva, on the contrary, we should thank, praise, and feel proud to G-d for giving us the merit to fulfill His Mitzvot, and no Jew should feel either superior or inferior in being able to fulfill a Mitzva, nor should one be ashamed or shy to do a Mitzva in front of others.
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Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
I think it might have something to do with not drinking things that could have been used to make offerings to idols, or something like that, but I'm not sure. Tzvi, could you shed some light on this for us please?
Bottom line- the Real reason (actualy behind everything) is that it is G-d's will. He made the rules, we just have to follow them, He said something is assur (forbidden) then it is forbidden. But on a lower level where we can understand a little- as bad as this might sound (actualy not because I didn't make the rules, G-d did), eating and drinking together with other people creates a bond between them, if Jews socialize with their surroundings, first its eating and drinking, then the character and the way the Jew thinks and acts starts to change, and then the third step is the Jew giving his daugher and sons to his good buddy's son or daughter.
Again this is not to degrade others, and doesn't mean that Jews should not show respect to others in society, on the contrary show respect when due, be good citizens, but dont do what G-d doesn't want you to do, which is intermarry and assimilate (which can and is on many levels not just marriage).
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might tell you something like, if this is the way you socialize, and your way of winding down after work, and you would have no contact with any friends or no way of interacting with people if you suddenly stopped completely and this would make you totally unhappy, then don't go out of your way to completely cut this out of your life.
I dont think a Rav (a real one) would say anything like that. Maybe they would say when asked to right away start keeping Shabbat and concentrating the good inclination towards that and Koshrut and family purity (the essentials, but at the same time no one would say something like that because in effect it is saying that a sin (any, no matter how minor it might look) is okay, and this is a very bad attitude to have in life because one is accepting defeat and psychologically is ruining onself.
Tzvi. I'm a BT. I know many BT's. I know how my Rav has instructed me with certain things before. You cannot take on all things at once. You cannot become religious over night. I don't know what you are, but you sound insane!
all I said was that that a (wise) Rav would not use that type of language.
Tzvi, I said "the rabbi might say something like " and then said something. If you think he wouldn't use my exact language, well I also think that! Which is why I said it that way.
It is the type of talk that will not likly have good results. If one (who doesn't do anything for example, just found out that the Torah is EMET) then comes to a Rav, yes the first thing they would tell and teach him is to keep Shabbat, Kosher, family purity, (also haircut, but that's by Shulhan Aruch which sounds wierd, but has a lot of meaning also), and THEN teach him other laws at a time. BUT in a situation where one asks a Rabbi- "Rabbi can I do sin X, or sin Y or sin Z" which Rav would have the right to say, "sure I understand, you didn't grow up religious so it is okay if you do X Y or Z".
Tzvi, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. No rabbi says it's ok to sin. But a Rav can at times give a leniency. This will be done (if he's a good Rav who knows what he's doing) especially often for someone who is on the path to becoming observant in cases where the Rav doesn't think the person is ready to take on certain things. If it's somebody who is an 'eager-beaver' type who finds out all sorts of random halachot by reading online, being instructed by people who have no business telling them what to do, or being influenced by other BT's around them, or listening to various "Tzvi ben Roshel's" and their fear-mongering about 'terrible sins,' and then come to their Rav saying "hey is it true that I'm not allowed to _____" or "is it true that I have to _____" any Rav who knows how to do kiruv will know that this person is on the road to eventual burnout if they don't calm the person down and urge them to take it slow. They will discourage this person from taking on vastly complicated and stringent measures and try to ease them into Torah observance. This is not a simple matter, Tzvi.
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And I am in no position to tell a person one way or another, but certainly, neither are you! But I am merely speculating about what a rabbi might say, specifically to contrast your very brunt response.
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I didn't bring up any stringencies, or even doing something one way and saying no you must do it the harder way, etc. BUT at the same time, I would like to see which Rav has the beitzim, and ignorance to say that any sin is allowed for a certain Jew who was brought up one way as opposed to another Jew brought up differently. Now, this is in regard to a sin, in regard to not doing a Mitzva (something positive as opposed to allowing something negative) then yes I also do believe that their might and will be stringencies, expecially in regard to DeRabbanim laws (and how much, etc. depending on the Rav).
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I didn't bring up any stringencies, or even doing something one way and saying no you must do it the harder way, etc. BUT at the same time, I would like to see which Rav has the beitzim, and ignorance to say that any sin is allowed for a certain Jew who was brought up one way as opposed to another Jew brought up differently. Now, this is in regard to a sin, in regard to not doing a Mitzva (something positive as opposed to allowing something negative) then yes I also do believe that their might and will be stringencies, expecially in regard to DeRabbanim laws (and how much, etc. depending on the Rav).
Tzvi, like I said you have no idea what you're talking about. Go look for beitzim somewhere else.
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Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
I think it might have something to do with not drinking things that could have been used to make offerings to idols, or something like that, but I'm not sure. Tzvi, could you shed some light on this for us please?
Bottom line- the Real reason (actualy behind everything) is that it is G-d's will. He made the rules, we just have to follow them, He said something is assur (forbidden) then it is forbidden. But on a lower level where we can understand a little- as bad as this might sound (actualy not because I didn't make the rules, G-d did), eating and drinking together with other people creates a bond between them, if Jews socialize with their surroundings, first its eating and drinking, then the character and the way the Jew thinks and acts starts to change, and then the third step is the Jew giving his daugher and sons to his good buddy's son or daughter.
Again this is not to degrade others, and doesn't mean that Jews should not show respect to others in society, on the contrary show respect when due, be good citizens, but dont do what G-d doesn't want you to do, which is intermarry and assimilate (which can and is on many levels not just marriage).
I never heard that it is forbidden to socialize with gentiles. I think It is not from deoraita. We can learn from the story of purim. The Jews participated in the feast of Ahashverosh. According to tradition this act angered God, but not because of the act of drinking and socializing but because it was a celebration for a foreign nation, so the Jews were happy to reside in exile rather than go back to Judea.
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Wait why cant jews drink with gentiles?
I think it might have something to do with not drinking things that could have been used to make offerings to idols, or something like that, but I'm not sure. Tzvi, could you shed some light on this for us please?
Bottom line- the Real reason (actualy behind everything) is that it is G-d's will. He made the rules, we just have to follow them, He said something is assur (forbidden) then it is forbidden. But on a lower level where we can understand a little- as bad as this might sound (actualy not because I didn't make the rules, G-d did), eating and drinking together with other people creates a bond between them, if Jews socialize with their surroundings, first its eating and drinking, then the character and the way the Jew thinks and acts starts to change, and then the third step is the Jew giving his daugher and sons to his good buddy's son or daughter.
Again this is not to degrade others, and doesn't mean that Jews should not show respect to others in society, on the contrary show respect when due, be good citizens, but dont do what G-d doesn't want you to do, which is intermarry and assimilate (which can and is on many levels not just marriage).
Thanks Tzvi. That's one reason I support racial segregation, because even though I think that different races can respect one another and there are good people in all races, I don't want them to melt together and lose their separate identities. I can certainly understand the concern about Jewish assimilation since that's such as issue for the Jewish community today, and Chaim and Kahane and others fought so hard to keep that from happening to the Soviet Jews.
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Also about drinking, yes it is not technically forbidden, but one of the things it says on people who G-d hates is one who drinks excessivly, and that doesn't even have to do if it is socially or not.
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I have so far stopped having more than 3 drinks in a sitting, and am looking for a Synagogue I would like to talk to a Rabbi at.
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Obviously i am aware that drinking is not forbiden by Jewish law, but as someone raised in a particualy "non-jewish" environment of working class australia, I was wondering if there was a specific prohibition to having perhaps a few too many drinks with some mates, for example having 8 or 10 beers at a pub with your mates on the weekend. Forgive my ignorance, but the parent i live with dosnt really care about Halakha either way so i'm pretty ignorant about the more complex issues.
well, given that I don't have an alcohol problem, your post has tempted me to have a whiskey, or red wine.
I might look for some beer but I think I drank it all. I never normally liked beer but I found one I quite liked. Can't remember what it was called though. will have to rediscover it! cheers!
Alot of jews have a gene called something like Ax2x2 which causes a situation in a person where too much alcohol just makes you fall asleep .It doesn't make you go wild. European jews tend to have it, and chinese I think , not sure about sephardic jews. Most jews prob couldn't do 8 beers! 4 whiskeys maybe! I do know some jews that can have 8 beers no problem. I find gentiles can't do whiskey.
I did read somewhere that a young person is dissuaded from alcohol since it adds to the fire that is already there. But for an old person it can be beneficial, to warm them up.
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"Alot of jews have a gene called something like Ax2x2 which causes a situation in a person where too much alcohol just makes you fall asleep "
;D I guess that explains a lot. I dont know why, maybe its this or maybe its because its Shabb-t, but friday night it always happens. I drink and eat well, then I sit a little and chill out and then boom im sleepin. But the thing is that it doesn't happen on Shabb-t day when I also drink.
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maybe you get a good meal on shabbos day but not on friday /shabbos night ;-)
If you drink on an empty stomach it has more effect.
The kiddush on shabbat day might help.
A gentile friend once pointed out to me me that you never see a fat alcoholic. (it is for this reason). By alcoholic, I mean somebody who has really ruined his health from it. (thouhg I must say, I think I knew one once.. It is rare. And the ones on tv shows are always thin)
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Well, I cant even have a half glass of anything without being totally blitzed. So- no- tyvm, then I am OUT like knocked OUT cold- so no good for me. I have always had an instinct though, just to NOT drink, besides, it tastes EXACTLY like when I was a little girl----- TERRIBLE! :P
This is my question.... Why are you all into the Laws more than anything? Do not the books of the prophets in the Tanach interest anybody? They do ME, WAY more than ANY book at all, I could read them for HOURS. this is all too hard for me. I try to understand all of this more, but for some reason, I always feel under the gun, when reading Torah.
I always have wondered what it is like to live with a family that is totally Orthodox- It was almost just about FORBIDDEN in my house to read anything from "G-d" Which STUNK, b/c ever since I can remember, I have ALWAYS believed in G-d. Totally 100%. I have not ever felt like I "fit in" anywhere at all. Oh well. Too bad..
We have had all types of bibles hidden in the house, so nobody could find them. My Nana did that with her Art work too. Hid it. My G-grandmother when she died, she had $12,000- hidden in a cup at the back of the cabinets. family pictures hidden under boards- and CLOTHES CLOTHES CLOTHES ALL over the place, my Condo has CLOTHES all over!!! My mom always sends TONS of clothes, like I might run out. Everything in my family is: DONT TELL ANYONE WHAT I AM GOING TO TELL YOU
and its usually nothing big.. & if it IS something big- OMG! DO NOT REPEAT!
And the QUESTIONS! OMG! ZERO privacy in my family- they have to know EVERYTHING, and this is TOUGH, b/c NOBODY shares ANY info on themselves in my family.
And what I REALLY CANT STAND: Paulette- DO NOT EVER go out of this house without looking SPECTACULAR. I went through a phase, where I defied that, and gained like 60 lbs., v/c it made me FURIOUS!!
this too: whats wrong....nothing....whats WRONG Paulette?......NOTHING....Paulette! what is WRONG!!....I SAID NOTHING! And then they NEVER leave you alone, until you admit it is something, and it is not anything!
So- JEWS- BE ORTHODOX! SAVE YOUSELVES! Being a Crypto Jewess is the PITS!
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because in orthodox judaism, laws are something you have to do, and you have to know thme to do them. The questions there are fundamental.
With tenach stories, you have the plain text which if something doesn't make much sense to you, you can consult the many commentaries.
Any other tenach questions, like what we learn from a story, or why did X do this and not this, why does it say this and not that, what might the reason be. They are largely based on speculation. So speculation over and above what the tenach says, is not on firm ground.
And with the AskJudea show, many of the questions I ask him, are because of him being a disciple of rabbi david bar hayyim, who is a bit controversial - in our times - and so I might put questions to judea related to these controversies, none of which are to do with tenach.
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Well, I cant even have a half glass of anything without being totally blitzed. So- no- tyvm, then I am OUT like knocked OUT cold- so no good for me. I have always had an instinct though, just to NOT drink, besides, it tastes EXACTLY like when I was a little girl----- TERRIBLE! :P
This is my question.... Why are you all into the Laws more than anything? Do not the books of the prophets in the Tanach interest anybody? They do ME, WAY more than ANY book at all, I could read them for HOURS. this is all too hard for me. I try to understand all of this more, but for some reason, I always feel under the gun, when reading Torah.
I always have wondered what it is like to live with a family that is totally Orthodox- It was almost just about FORBIDDEN in my house to read anything from "G-d" Which STUNK, b/c ever since I can remember, I have ALWAYS believed in G-d. Totally 100%. I have not ever felt like I "fit in" anywhere at all. Oh well. Too bad..
We have had all types of bibles hidden in the house, so nobody could find them. My Nana did that with her Art work too. Hid it. My G-grandmother when she died, she had $12,000- hidden in a cup at the back of the cabinets. family pictures hidden under boards- and CLOTHES CLOTHES CLOTHES ALL over the place, my Condo has CLOTHES all over!!! My mom always sends TONS of clothes, like I might run out. Everything in my family is: DONT TELL ANYONE WHAT I AM GOING TO TELL YOU
and its usually nothing big.. & if it IS something big- OMG! DO NOT REPEAT!
And the QUESTIONS! OMG! ZERO privacy in my family- they have to know EVERYTHING, and this is TOUGH, b/c NOBODY shares ANY info on themselves in my family.
And what I REALLY CANT STAND: Paulette- DO NOT EVER go out of this house without looking SPECTACULAR. I went through a phase, where I defied that, and gained like 60 lbs., v/c it made me FURIOUS!!
this too: whats wrong....nothing....whats WRONG Paulette?......NOTHING....Paulette! what is WRONG!!....I SAID NOTHING! And then they NEVER leave you alone, until you admit it is something, and it is not anything!
So- JEWS- BE ORTHODOX! SAVE YOUSELVES! Being a Crypto Jewess is the PITS!
A half a glass :::D
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because in orthodox judaism, laws are something you have to do, and you have to know thme to do them. The questions there are fundamental.
With tenach stories, you have the plain text which if something doesn't make much sense to you, you can consult the many commentaries.
Any other tenach questions, like what we learn from a story, or why did X do this and not this, why does it say this and not that, what might the reason be. They are largely based on speculation. So speculation over and above what the tenach says, is not on firm ground.
And with the AskJudea show, many of the questions I ask him, are because of him being a disciple of rabbi david bar hayyim, who is a bit controversial - in our times - and so I might put questions to judea related to these controversies, none of which are to do with tenach.
But why is Tenach not really looked at as much? I am 43, HOW am I suppose to learn ALL of those Laws? I will NEVER live up to this, dont you see what I am saying?? How can anybody follow ALL of those Laws? This is hard, this is hard.
How does ANY Jew NOT born in an Orthodox family do this??
Of COURSE I WANT to please G-d, but it seems endless, and I wont ever please Him. Cant anybody see this from my prespective? I dont know what to do here, I dont know what to do. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( It seems I wont ever be pleasing to G-d.
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because in orthodox judaism, laws are something you have to do, and you have to know thme to do them. The questions there are fundamental.
With tenach stories, you have the plain text which if something doesn't make much sense to you, you can consult the many commentaries.
Any other tenach questions, like what we learn from a story, or why did X do this and not this, why does it say this and not that, what might the reason be. They are largely based on speculation. So speculation over and above what the tenach says, is not on firm ground.
And with the AskJudea show, many of the questions I ask him, are because of him being a disciple of rabbi david bar hayyim, who is a bit controversial - in our times - and so I might put questions to judea related to these controversies, none of which are to do with tenach.
But why is Tenach not really looked at as much? I am 43, HOW am I suppose to learn ALL of those Laws? I will NEVER live up to this, dont you see what I am saying?? How can anybody follow ALL of those Laws? This is hard, this is hard.
How does ANY Jew NOT born in an Orthodox family do this??
Of COURSE I WANT to please G-d, but it seems endless, and I wont ever please Him. Cant anybody see this from my prespective? I dont know what to do here, I dont know what to do. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( It seems I wont ever be pleasing to G-d.
One law at a time. If someone looks at the whole thing they might be discouraged and not even start. What one must do is to start somewhere and start keeping the laws. Their are many books/ sites that one can learn the laws, so one should do that and then follow what one has learned. It is not that difficult because for example all the holiday laws are at a certai time of the year, soo one doesn't have to know then all year round, but study them some time before the holiday and then apply them to the holiday.
Then one has the daily laws, which one can learn one at a time (I suggest one learn the laws from a general view and then go into details). And then if their is something that one does not know (and cant figure out) they can ask a Rabbi who is familiar with the laws and is able to tell you the correct answer.
- The Academy of Elijah taught, whoever studies the laws (of the Torah) every day, (he) is guaranteed to have a share in the World to Come.
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I'm partial to a good scotch myself. Especially on Shabbas...
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because in orthodox judaism, laws are something you have to do, and you have to know thme to do them. The questions there are fundamental.
With tenach stories, you have the plain text which if something doesn't make much sense to you, you can consult the many commentaries.
Any other tenach questions, like what we learn from a story, or why did X do this and not this, why does it say this and not that, what might the reason be. They are largely based on speculation. So speculation over and above what the tenach says, is not on firm ground.
And with the AskJudea show, many of the questions I ask him, are because of him being a disciple of rabbi david bar hayyim, who is a bit controversial - in our times - and so I might put questions to judea related to these controversies, none of which are to do with tenach.
But why is Tenach not really looked at as much? I am 43, HOW am I suppose to learn ALL of those Laws? I will NEVER live up to this, dont you see what I am saying?? How can anybody follow ALL of those Laws? This is hard, this is hard.
How does ANY Jew NOT born in an Orthodox family do this??
Of COURSE I WANT to please G-d, but it seems endless, and I wont ever please Him. Cant anybody see this from my prespective? I dont know what to do here, I dont know what to do. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( It seems I wont ever be pleasing to G-d.
You don't need to know many details to do the basics.
Shabbat, Kosher.
The difficulty in those things at that basic level, is not in learning the laws. It's in doing them!
Easy to know how to do.
Shabbat, don't turn light on and off, starting and stopping electric circuits. We use a time switch specially installed. It's more of a practical problem,
people tend to go to synagogue, get involved with the community, rather than sit at home staring at the wall.
I've been spending the long shabbat days learning hebrew vocabulary, it's a big job... But i'm not sociable so there isn't much else I would be doing.
The things I ask judea are very academic and theoretical. Purely neck upwards!
Some of it may have practical ramifications but I don't worry about it that much.
Do the basics. Shabbat, Kosher.
Contact a local orthodox rabbi, one would be able to help you!
Most religiously left wing modern orthodox jews are very unintellectual about judaism.. really
But they keep shabbat and kosher. It's more of a practical thing.
Only the really really frum(religious) communities have people learning all the time. And even then I suspect that they don't always learn much, just going to shiurim(lectures) here and there, to keep themselves occupied with torah. it is just to keep them on the straight and narrow, and in the right social circle so they don't go astray!
You can spend shabbat learning tenach
There are even tenach shiurim(lectures) in jewish areas, on shabbat, and on weekdays in the evening..
So there are lots of ways you can make it "your judaism", within the structure of orthodox judaism - with its beliefs and practices.
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OK, I NEED HELP ASAP. I do NOT like that horselady, PLEASE help ME! what do I do here- OBVIOUSLY I cant drink- WHAT do I do!!! I am SSOOOOOOOOOOO UPSET men, VERY UPSET! I am losing my head- too many people on my email thread- and all of these nazis and they just want me dead, they have my pictures on the stormslob forum, and I dont know WHAT to do with my anger- I NEED HELP.
Please help me, WHAT in Torah do I concentrate on, to calm me- b/c I feel like I could tear their gutts out. >:( PLEASE help me.
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OK, I NEED HELP ASAP. I do NOT like that horselady, PLEASE help ME! what do I do here- OBVIOUSLY I cant drink- WHAT do I do!!! I am SSOOOOOOOOOOO UPSET men, VERY UPSET! I am losing my head- too many people on my email thread- and all of these nazis and they just want me dead, they have my pictures on the stormslob forum, and I dont know WHAT to do with my anger- I NEED HELP.
Please help me, WHAT in Torah do I concentrate on, to calm me- b/c I feel like I could tear their gutts out. >:( PLEASE help me.
would temporarily leaving the email thread help?
exercise?
These aren't answers from judaism, because judaism isn't a crutch or self help thing, even if some present it like that / pretend it is. Judaism produces more demands.
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I would say, don't drink when in this state.. Because if getting angry is a regular occurrence, and drink becomes your only solution, you would end up drinking loads to get rid of anger , it's bad.
Drinking a very small amount of e,g, whiskey can completely kill nerves, e.g any butterflies before a job interview.. Years ago when I learnt to drive, I took some before I had my driving test.. it worked well. But that's just a small amount required.. Not trying to wash away anger or anything or drown away sorrows. Don't have it for that.. Don't associate it with that. And maybe other people would need alot more to get rid of nerves, in which case I wouldn't suggest it. I don't normally get nerves anyway.
If you have excess energy, whether through anger or whatever, I suggest exercise.
the trigger of your anger is purely virtual.. you don't need to be on this mailing list.
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OK, I NEED HELP ASAP. I do NOT like that horselady, PLEASE help ME! what do I do here- OBVIOUSLY I cant drink- WHAT do I do!!! I am SSOOOOOOOOOOO UPSET men, VERY UPSET! I am losing my head- too many people on my email thread- and all of these nazis and they just want me dead, they have my pictures on the stormslob forum, and I dont know WHAT to do with my anger- I NEED HELP.
Please help me, WHAT in Torah do I concentrate on, to calm me- b/c I feel like I could tear their gutts out. >:( PLEASE help me.
Emuna. (I suggest the book "Garden Of Emuna" By Rav Shalom Arush Shlita. Very good book, its also good for everyone, Jews, Baali Tishuva's, people not yet Observant, even Noahides and gentiles.
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there is a book called The Trail To Tranquility by a rabbi known as rabbi rambo. A former military man, a big hero.
He is a beslover chassid I think, they are really happy people.
you'll love this guy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6427010017415885425&q=rabbi+rambo&ei=GNuPSKS0GoLAigLdrPXnBg&hl=en
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Yea like qq said also exercise is very good- takes away all the excess through sweating and releases "happy hormones", but sometimes too much then you might be hurting (like me right now, my back is killing me).
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of course.. if you are reading books like that, you won't be reading that nazi mailing list..
If you can't separate yourself from it completely.. Forward the nazi mailing list stuff to another email address that you rarely check.
You don't want to see nazi stuff every time you check your email. It would drive anybody mad
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there is a book called A path to tranquility by a rabbi known as rabbi rambo. A former military man, a big hero.
He is a beslover chassid I think, they are really happy people.
you'll love this guy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6427010017415885425&q=rabbi+rambo&ei=GNuPSKS0GoLAigLdrPXnBg&hl=en
of course.. if you are reading books like that, you won't be reading that nazi mailing list..
If you can't separate yourself from it completely.. Forward the nazi mailing list stuff to another email address that you rarely check.
You don't want to see nazi stuff every time you check your email. It would drive anybody mad
Yea I have that book (I got it together with the other book I posted). It is called "the Trail to Tranquility" and the Rabbi's name is Rabbi Lazer Brody.
He is a website too (I have it, but just search "Lazer beams" or "Lazer Brody").
I now remember that it does also deal with anger, etc. But to tell you he truth I like the "Garden Of Emuna" more (I also read it more). He is the actual translator of the book, and the Rav (Rav Shalom Arush) is his Rabbi.
Their is also a part 2, which is much shorter, it is based on a tale by Rebbe Nachman MiBreslev. Even though in my personal opinion I believe they take Emuna which sometimes can and is used in a pessimistic way, still their books are very good, and very helpful and full of knowledge. Highly Recommended. (Especially the Garden of Emuna like I said before, and if one likes they can purchase the package together on his website).
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I tend not to read self help books.. so haven't read either of them.. But I liked the rabbi rambo video !
I can't really see an angry person getting their problems solved by reading a book.. If I'm angry i'm too angry to read a book. If I did, i'd be more inclined to get a book that's really highly rated with lots of reviews on amazon, and i'd research it more, on amazon.. I wouldn't just look for a self help book written by a rabbi. I guess though, without a good background in judaism, and a wish to simultaneously enforce one's connection to judaism and to master their emotions, one might be well suited to such a book that does both at the same time.
There are therapists who deal with anger, and peoples' problems are very specific.
I would stress, "out of sight, out of mind", to stop looking at the nazi mailing list. If you really want it then forward it to some other web-based email address that you rarely check. But do rarely check it! If at all.
It's the most obvious thing to do..
I guess you were drawn to it because you're a fighter.. That's good but no point looking for people to fight when they are no danger before or after. Nazis are small in proportion to the number of americans that there are. And they have a little mailing list.. And you are not stopping them that much by reading it and replying.. There are certainly good times to be confrontational and even get angry, but this isn't one of them. You don't want routine anger like clockwork. Remove the triggers.
Your problem is very specific to you and won't be solved by a book.
I can watch TV or a film when i'm angry.. Maybe have a load of shwarzenegger films.. that can be a release.. they come to satisfying conclusions, good beats bad.
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Ok, I have done many of the things suggested here- I read many Psalms and Proverbs tonight, and I just cried, b/c I see the hate of mankind who G-d created, and they have no love, and I feel very saddened in my heart right now. More and more, The "c-tian" 'friends' I had, are NOT friends, they are with this movement of kkk or whatever this is.
25 years I knew this one person, and she cant stand me now, at all, b/c I am a Jew, its the truth, nothing more. She knew I was Jewish b4, albeit, I was never religious, more of a spiritual person. I suppose I banked on the fact that I am 'charming' which, in life, I am- the fact remains that I CANNOT and will NOT 'renounce' being a Jew, and this is what they are after. So, the attacks have become more ferocious, and now, to the point that Me, Paulette-a D.A.R. does not love my Country, b/c I CANNOT 'denounce' Israel either. And they say exactly what the horselady said, that I am not an "American first" person. So, I am really very distraught. I am the MOST Patriotic person I even know, but when I hear the Hatikva- I WEEP HARD, sobbing weeping- 10x even more than when I use to hear the US National Anthem. Something in me, is drawing me closer to HaShem, and just wanting to ONLY be near HIS people, like I have ZERO trust anymore with people that are NOT Jews. I even have a new friend, she is a lefty, but I TRUST her, and I DO NOT trust anybody BUT her and David, and thats it. You men think I am going crazy? Because I dont.
Well, back to Psalms- and it is the 139th Psalm.
SHALOM men- and ty.
BTW- NO- I have NOT changed- NO drinking.
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Ok, I have done many of the things suggested here- I read many Psalms and Proverbs tonight, and I just cried, b/c I see the hate of mankind who G-d created, and they have no love, and I feel very saddened in my heart right now. More and more, The "c-tian" 'friends' I had, are NOT friends, they are with this movement of kkk or whatever this is.
25 years I knew this one person, and she cant stand me now, at all, b/c I am a Jew, its the truth, nothing more. She knew I was Jewish b4, albeit, I was never religious, more of a spiritual person. I suppose I banked on the fact that I am 'charming' which, in life, I am- the fact remains that I CANNOT and will NOT 'renounce' being a Jew, and this is what they are after. So, the attacks have become more ferocious, and now, to the point that Me, Paulette-a D.A.R. does not love my Country, b/c I CANNOT 'denounce' Israel either. And they say exactly what the horselady said, that I am not an "American first" person. So, I am really very distraught. I am the MOST Patriotic person I even know, but when I hear the Hatikva- I WEEP HARD, sobbing weeping- 10x even more than when I use to hear the US National Anthem. Something in me, is drawing me closer to HaShem, and just wanting to ONLY be near HIS people, like I have ZERO trust anymore with people that are NOT Jews. I even have a new friend, she is a lefty, but I TRUST her, and I DO NOT trust anybody BUT her and David, and thats it. You men think I am going crazy? Because I dont.
Well, back to Psalms- and it is the 139th Psalm.
SHALOM men- and ty.
BTW- NO- I have NOT changed- NO drinking.
glad you got rid of the bad rubbish
I suggest, with friends, that any time they do something bad, (and they don't really care, in that they would do it again), then you lower your opinion of them. (rather than forgive and forget).
I'm sure over the 25 years she did many bad things.. So if you did that, then afterwards you wouldn't be -that- bothered if she breaks off completelly.
You did a great thing, sticking to your principles and morals.. usually that is what brings a certain type of friend in the first place.. And is what -rightly- causes former friends to distance themselves from each other. If people change, or a new side to them is revealed, then your relationship has to reflect that, rathaer than hang onto an illusion of what your friend used to be like or what you thought they were like.
I had a friend who has time went on, he kept changing, and in the end I couldn't stand being around him anymore. My opinion of him kept getting lowered over the 10 years I knew him. In the end we just hung around each other for old times sake. He couldn't take it anymore, and he says "I have a knew friend so I don't need to be friendly with you anymore" . That kind of comment coming from him didn't suprise me, 'cos my opinion of him had been suffiently lowered enough times!!!!! So that was it. We used to talk all the time.. I had a discussion with him over what the situation is 'now', whether we ignore each other in the street or not.. His view is not to make a drama out of it so we'd say hello incase people are around. We didn't discuss if we go to each other's funeral, as it stands I guess we won't, it doesn't matter. Haven't seen him since.. I have seen members of his family, and say hello to them.
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what is your reason for wanting to be signed up to a nazi mailing list?
I know it's good to know the evil that is out there, but you know. You don't need to keep seeing repeats of what you know. It's not like you're going to forget any time soon. You need to get it out of the front of your mind.
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what is your reason for wanting to be signed up to a nazi mailing list?
I know it's good to know the evil that is out there, but you know. You don't need to keep seeing repeats of what you know. It's not like you're going to forget any time soon. You need to get it out of the front of your mind.
what is your reason for wanting to be signed up to a nazi mailing list?
I know it's good to know the evil that is out there, but you know. You don't need to keep seeing repeats of what you know. It's not like you're going to forget any time soon. You need to get it out of the front of your mind.
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OH HECK NO q-q!!!
NO!
David has people that were on his email list, and THEY are nazis, when David and I, were on the computer one day, I SAW what they were saying to him, and one of my friends (she is a lefty, but they were SLAUGHTERING her, and she is also Jewish) so, I told David, email me now, DONT fight this all alone- that was in FEB. And their attacks have gotten more and more vicious and ferocious, I actually have emailed the FBI- with ALL of my emails. NO CHOICE. THAT is how EVIL this thread is.
before that, my email thread had David and a lady friend that is 70 yrs old, and really super sweet, that was it.
BUT, as I said- No more of them now, they stopped, b/c today, I was STILL getting them, and THIS time, I told them: I WILL call the Law enforcement in your area, and tell them that you are harassing me with cyber-terror.
I did what I had to do, so David well- he continues the fight. My other friend, Sylvia, she the liberal Jewess, but she has become SO tough - that I just LOVE it now, how she FIGHTS these people, she didint b4 too much, but she sure does now, I am VERY proud of her, and I am 100% WITH her, and she knows it, and now we fight them together- In the end anyway,the Jew ALWAYS stands alone, with each-other.
q_q- I want to tell you, that I apologize, for being so stubborn before. BECAUSE of YOU, I am getting SO MUCH more centered now, I am picking up also where I left off in Hebrew, its hard right now, b/c I am moving. But when in NY, I want to be totally able to speak Hebrew, I HOPE, in a year, and encouraging David to do the same.
q_q, please say prayers for David, (While I know that the people here support Jews), David thinks that these people are just joking- and c-tians just ok- I have told him- NO- NO- and NO. (Please dont take this hard C-tian members)
I have told him, without a shadow of a doubt, these people will NOT be there for us, if i gets really bad, with all of these movements and the muz becoming nazis too. He just thinks they are dumb, & this has me worried, David IS the SWEETEST man in this planet, just plain GOOD- I am perplexed by this. SHALOM q_q- THANK YOU SO MUCH. Please keep David lifted.
BTW- NO, DRINKING IS NO GOOD people, you NEED to have your wits, we have terrible rotten enemies. DONT DRINK, STAY AWAKE.
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I didn't notice that you were being stubborn!
I still don't really get why you or sylvia should want to be part of an email thread with nazis in it..
With some technical know-how, you could find out how to block those emails from being received. e.g. any emails with a certain email address or IP address goes elsewhere or is not downloaded. But you'd still get messages from good people responding, quoting the nazi, so it wouldn't rid you of it completely.. But if good people don't respond then you could block the nazi's email or ip on your machine, and not see anything of what they wrote. It's just ignored even by good people whose email you receive, so sometimes a good response is "don't feed the troll".
But it's good to have threatened to and to have reported them to the FBI or police
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I didn't notice that you were being stubborn!
I still don't really get why you or sylvia should want to be part of an email thread with nazis in it..
With some technical know-how, you could find out how to block those emails from being received. e.g. any emails with a certain email address or IP address goes elsewhere or is not downloaded. But you'd still get messages from good people responding, quoting the nazi, so it wouldn't rid you of it completely.. But if good people don't respond then you could block the nazi's email or ip on your machine, and not see anything of what they wrote. It's just ignored even by good people whose email you receive, so sometimes a good response is "don't feed the troll".
But it's good to have threatened to and to have reported them to the FBI or police
Well q_q, I am not, I told them that they are now messing with the Law, however Sylvia she shows me what she says- and I AM proud of her- she always took the defense, now she is on the offense, and for this, I am REALLY PROUD of her. David, though, he likes the fight, and the "GOTCHA" So, I have to let him do what he wants to do, right?
OH q_q, I AM SO STUBBORN! Gd HELP me! Oh, and Sylvia since all of this has happened, she has gone back to her synagogue, in Brooklyn- after a LONGGGGGGGGGG time, so, I have helped her Bigtime. She LOVES IT. I am SO proud of her. More and more, the 'leftist' type thinking is leaving her- b/c you cant really be like that, and Love Gd too. She is one heck of a lady, and I LOVE HER, and GLAD that she has gone back to HaShem, and celebrates Shabbat there.
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sounds great.. i'm glad things cleared up in no time!
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sounds great.. i'm glad things cleared up in no time!
YES! q_q! I would like to go to Sylvias Synagogue, if she asks, b/c she is so different now! It is probably in Brooklyn, I believe, so, will see. I would at least like to visit, to see what is happening there- you know? MUST have a great Rabbi, I bet she does.
Well, we got that Horselady too- DANG! Was that a trip or WHAT? TY for getting my back.
NO- NO DRINKING BTW. :D
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what is your reason for wanting to be signed up to a nazi mailing list?
I know it's good to know the evil that is out there, but you know. You don't need to keep seeing repeats of what you know. It's not like you're going to forget any time soon. You need to get it out of the front of your mind.
what is your reason for wanting to be signed up to a nazi mailing list?
I know it's good to know the evil that is out there, but you know. You don't need to keep seeing repeats of what you know. It's not like you're going to forget any time soon. You need to get it out of the front of your mind.
OH HECK NO q-q!!!
NO!
David has people that were on his email list, and THEY are nazis, when David and I, were on the computer one day, I SAW what they were saying to him, and one of my friends (she is a lefty, but they were SLAUGHTERING her, and she is also Jewish) so, I told David, email me now, DONT fight this all alone- that was in FEB. And their attacks have gotten more and more vicious and ferocious, I actually have emailed the FBI- with ALL of my emails. NO CHOICE. THAT is how EVIL this thread is.
before that, my email thread had David and a lady friend that is 70 yrs old, and really super sweet, that was it.
BUT, as I said- No more of them now, they stopped, b/c today, I was STILL getting them, and THIS time, I told them: I WILL call the Law enforcement in your area, and tell them that you are harassing me with cyber-terror.
I did what I had to do, so David well- he continues the fight. My other friend, Sylvia, she the liberal Jewess, but she has become SO tough - that I just LOVE it now, how she FIGHTS these people, she didint b4 too much, but she sure does now, I am VERY proud of her, and I am 100% WITH her, and she knows it, and now we fight them together- In the end anyway,the Jew ALWAYS stands alone, with each-other.
q_q- I want to tell you, that I apologize, for being so stubborn before. BECAUSE of YOU, I am getting SO MUCH more centered now, I am picking up also where I left off in Hebrew, its hard right now, b/c I am moving. But when in NY, I want to be totally able to speak Hebrew, I HOPE, in a year, and encouraging David to do the same.
q_q, please say prayers for David, (While I know that the people here support Jews), David thinks that these people are just joking- and c-tians just ok- I have told him- NO- NO- and NO. (Please dont take this hard C-tian members)
I have told him, without a shadow of a doubt, these people will NOT be there for us, if i gets really bad, with all of these movements and the muz becoming nazis too. He just thinks they are dumb, & this has me worried, David IS the SWEETEST man in this planet, just plain GOOD- I am perplexed by this. SHALOM q_q- THANK YOU SO MUCH. Please keep David lifted.
BTW- NO, DRINKING IS NO GOOD people, you NEED to have your wits, we have terrible rotten enemies. DONT DRINK, STAY AWAKE.
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gee, thanks for your trust.
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1900 YEARS OF SLAUGHTER - I trust NO one BUT A Jew. You are WAY too inquisitive. I would not EVER trust YOU- T H J. EVER.
I NOTICE how you follow certain members around.....I AM watching YOU too T H J. ;)
And....its none of your damned business OF or WHY David ben Moshe goes to Israel OR not.
BACK to drinking---perhaps you may need one in a couple days, THJ.....
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1900 YEARS OF SLAUGHTER - I trust NO one BUT A Jew. Sadly, one cannot trust even their brethren anymore... You are WAY too inquisitive. I would not EVER trust YOU- T H J. EVER.
I NOTICE how you follow certain members around.....I AM watching YOU too T H J. ;)
And....its none of your damned business OF or WHY David ben Moshe goes to Israel OR not.good for David...may he STAY in Israel... O0
BACK to drinking---perhaps you may need one in a couple days, THJ... I love a good scotch on Shabbas... ;) Happy Posting.....
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1900 YEARS OF SLAUGHTER - I trust NO one BUT A Jew. You are WAY too inquisitive. I would not EVER trust YOU- T H J. EVER.
I NOTICE how you follow certain members around.....I AM watching YOU too T H J. ;)
And....its none of your damned business OF or WHY David ben Moshe goes to Israel OR not.
BACK to drinking---perhaps you may need one in a couple days, THJ.....
i'll ask whatever questions i want, thank you. If its not my business, why post it on a PUBLIC FORUM that israel needs him?
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G-d I NEED A DRINK OF SCOTCH!! PERHAPS FIVE. I JUST FINISHED A DEBATE WITH EITHER A WELL BEHAVED MUSLIM, FAKE CHRISTIAN OR A COMMUNIST OVER ON MORD'S "DEBATE ON ISRAEL" THREAD...
ENOUGH.... AS NIK WOULD SAY: MAR ZUTRA OUT.... :)
t_h_j please excuse Paulette. I think she's not in a good mood today.... :)
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G-d I NEED A DRINK OF SCOTCH!! PERHAPS FIVE. I JUST FINISHED A DEBATE WITH EITHER A WELL BEHAVED MUSLIM, FAKE CHRISTIAN OR A COMMUNIST OVER ON MORD'S "DEBATE ON ISRAEL" THREAD...
ENOUGH.... AS NIK WOULD SAY: MAR ZUTRA OUT.... :)
t_h_j please excuse Paulette. I think she's not in a good mood today.... :)
Hey Marzutra,
I think you did an excellent job confronting that punk on that thread. I didnt want to get involved and it seemed you had it well under control. That 'crusader' was really looking for a problem and you kept on topic and addressed each of his 'issues'.
Good Work!!! :) O0
muman613
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Thank you very much for your words Muman613. I think I'm too tolerant in my old age. After using too much of my energy on this punk. I should have known after the 3rd post that he wasn't reading anything I've said or worse taking anytime to check anything I've posted. I must say that I believe this crusader person is a Muslim. Not a Christian at all but most likely an Arabian University Student on foreign exchange or something. I hope he get banned in all honesty. I wasted too much time and energy.
Again, toda roba ve shalom achi...
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1900 YEARS OF SLAUGHTER - I trust NO one BUT A Jew. You are WAY too inquisitive. I would not EVER trust YOU- T H J. EVER.
I NOTICE how you follow certain members around.....I AM watching YOU too T H J. ;)
And....its none of your damned business OF or WHY David ben Moshe goes to Israel OR not.
BACK to drinking---perhaps you may need one in a couple days, THJ.....
i'll ask whatever questions i want, thank you. If its not my business, why post it on a PUBLIC FORUM that israel needs him?
You SHOULD know who he is. He is up at the TOP of the thread on the GENERAL DISCUSSION. ok? Go listen to HIS audios, instead of jumping all over ME, for thinking obama is a QUEER. David outsmarts me by a WHOLE lifetime, and NOTHING I even say comes CLOSE to his brilliance, PLUS flat out being the BEST & MOST loving and WONDERFUL Person in MY life. Israel KNOWS who he is, and THAT is REALLY all that matters.
OK- DRINKING: YES, I would LIKE a fuzzy navel.
MuZutra... thanks, SOME people GET me. :-*
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1900 YEARS OF SLAUGHTER - I trust NO one BUT A Jew. You are WAY too inquisitive. I would not EVER trust YOU- T H J. EVER.
I NOTICE how you follow certain members around.....I AM watching YOU too T H J. ;)
And....its none of your damned business OF or WHY David ben Moshe goes to Israel OR not.
BACK to drinking---perhaps you may need one in a couple days, THJ.....
i'll ask whatever questions i want, thank you. If its not my business, why post it on a PUBLIC FORUM that israel needs him?
You SHOULD know who he is. He is up at the TOP of the thread on the GENERAL DISCUSSION. ok? Go listen to HIS audios, instead of jumping all over ME, for thinking obama is a QUEER. David outsmarts me by a WHOLE lifetime, and NOTHING I even say comes CLOSE to his brilliance, PLUS flat out being the BEST & MOST loving and WONDERFUL Person in MY life. Israel KNOWS who he is, and THAT is REALLY all that matters.
OK- DRINKING: YES, I would LIKE a fuzzy navel.
MuZutra... thanks, SOME people GET me. :-*
lol what?? I know who he is too. What does that have to do with anything?
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1900 YEARS OF SLAUGHTER - I trust NO one BUT A Jew. You are WAY too inquisitive. I would not EVER trust YOU- T H J. EVER.
I NOTICE how you follow certain members around.....I AM watching YOU too T H J. ;)
And....its none of your damned business OF or WHY David ben Moshe goes to Israel OR not.
BACK to drinking---perhaps you may need one in a couple days, THJ.....
i'll ask whatever questions i want, thank you. If its not my business, why post it on a PUBLIC FORUM that israel needs him?
You SHOULD know who he is. He is up at the TOP of the thread on the GENERAL DISCUSSION. ok? Go listen to HIS audios, instead of jumping all over ME, for thinking obama is a QUEER. David outsmarts me by a WHOLE lifetime, and NOTHING I even say comes CLOSE to his brilliance, PLUS flat out being the BEST & MOST loving and WONDERFUL Person in MY life. Israel KNOWS who he is, and THAT is REALLY all that matters.
OK- DRINKING: YES, I would LIKE a fuzzy navel.
MuZutra... thanks, SOME people GET me. :-*
lol what?? I know who he is too. What does that have to do with anything?
Then WHY did YOU say:
Why doesent he just go to Israel...
Is that insinuating that My David does not LOVE America? BECAUSE HE DOES. He is More Patriotic than ANY ANY ANY individual that I know. I just believe at this point that Israel SHOULD consider David ben Moshe. What good would David do here in USA? He is a RIGHTEOUS man, and CONSERVATIVE, hardly makes him a likely candidate for ANY seat in the house. Let alone NYC.
OH- drinking- YES- it is HOT here!!! NY!!! I really just want a BEER, but I wont ^-^
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1900 YEARS OF SLAUGHTER - I trust NO one BUT A Jew. You are WAY too inquisitive. I would not EVER trust YOU- T H J. EVER.
I NOTICE how you follow certain members around.....I AM watching YOU too T H J. ;)
And....its none of your damned business OF or WHY David ben Moshe goes to Israel OR not.
BACK to drinking---perhaps you may need one in a couple days, THJ.....
i'll ask whatever questions i want, thank you. If its not my business, why post it on a PUBLIC FORUM that israel needs him?
You SHOULD know who he is. He is up at the TOP of the thread on the GENERAL DISCUSSION. ok? Go listen to HIS audios, instead of jumping all over ME, for thinking obama is a QUEER. David outsmarts me by a WHOLE lifetime, and NOTHING I even say comes CLOSE to his brilliance, PLUS flat out being the BEST & MOST loving and WONDERFUL Person in MY life. Israel KNOWS who he is, and THAT is REALLY all that matters.
OK- DRINKING: YES, I would LIKE a fuzzy navel.
MuZutra... thanks, SOME people GET me. :-*
lol what?? I know who he is too. What does that have to do with anything?
Then WHY did YOU say:
Why doesent he just go to Israel...
Is that insinuating that My David does not LOVE America? BECAUSE HE DOES. He is More Patriotic than ANY ANY ANY individual that I know. I just believe at this point that Israel SHOULD consider David ben Moshe. What good would David do here in USA? He is a RIGHTEOUS man, and CONSERVATIVE, hardly makes him a likely candidate for ANY seat in the house. Let alone NYC.
OH- drinking- YES- it is HOT here!!! NY!!! I really just want a BEER, but I wont ^-^
I asked because you said "ISRAEL NEEDS DAVID BEN MOSHE."
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I'm going to get a drink of scotch now.... ;)
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1900 YEARS OF SLAUGHTER - I trust NO one BUT A Jew. You are WAY too inquisitive. I would not EVER trust YOU- T H J. EVER.
I NOTICE how you follow certain members around.....I AM watching YOU too T H J. ;)
And....its none of your damned business OF or WHY David ben Moshe goes to Israel OR not.
BACK to drinking---perhaps you may need one in a couple days, THJ.....
i'll ask whatever questions i want, thank you. If its not my business, why post it on a PUBLIC FORUM that israel needs him?
You SHOULD know who he is. He is up at the TOP of the thread on the GENERAL DISCUSSION. ok? Go listen to HIS audios, instead of jumping all over ME, for thinking obama is a QUEER. David outsmarts me by a WHOLE lifetime, and NOTHING I even say comes CLOSE to his brilliance, PLUS flat out being the BEST & MOST loving and WONDERFUL Person in MY life. Israel KNOWS who he is, and THAT is REALLY all that matters.
OK- DRINKING: YES, I would LIKE a fuzzy navel.
MuZutra... thanks, SOME people GET me. :-*
lol what?? I know who he is too. What does that have to do with anything?
Then WHY did YOU say:
Why doesent he just go to Israel...
Is that insinuating that My David does not LOVE America? BECAUSE HE DOES. He is More Patriotic than ANY ANY ANY individual that I know. I just believe at this point that Israel SHOULD consider David ben Moshe. What good would David do here in USA? He is a RIGHTEOUS man, and CONSERVATIVE, hardly makes him a likely candidate for ANY seat in the house. Let alone NYC.
OH- drinking- YES- it is HOT here!!! NY!!! I really just want a BEER, but I wont ^-^
I asked because you said "ISRAEL NEEDS DAVID BEN MOSHE."
YES, THEY DO.
& its early, I would like a champagne and OJ. :-*