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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: DownwithIslam on July 13, 2008, 04:14:57 AM
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
you take offence before lulab himself shows any signs of taking offence. Even when lulab doesn't take offence, you take offence.
your weak subjective criteria are a joke..
and if you applied the same criteria to the RAMBAM , RAMBAN, Rashi, Ibn Ezra, then you would ban all torah discussion. Which is fine for you since you don't participate in any of it. Not positively anyway..
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Sometime people are offended but they won't express it in writing. I am not here to speak for Lubab but I am just pointing that out. I hope Lubab responds to this thread to clarify.
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
you take offence before lulab himself shows any signs of taking offence. Even when lulab doesn't take offence, you take offence.
your weak subjective criteria are a joke..
and if you applied the same criteria to the RAMBAM , RAMBAN, Rashi, Ibn Ezra, then you would ban all torah discussion. Which is fine for you since you don't participate in any of it. Not positively anyway..
Baruch Hashem that you were blessed with the ruach hakodesh to know what exactly I participate in. What a wonder!
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
I clearly said that I was not referring to anyone in particular. I am not sure why you took this personally. No criticism of Lubavitch is acceptable to me.
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Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim.
It seems you have a hatred for litvaks!!
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Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim.
It seems you have a hatred for litvaks!!
I have tremendous hatred for people that criticize Lubavitch from the comfort of their air conditioned homes while lubavitcher rabbanim are on the front lines under rocket fire trying to deliver words of chizzuk to Israeli soldiers. This is what Litvak Rosh yehivas do.
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
I clearly said that I was not referring to anyone in particular. I am not sure why you took this personally. No criticism of Lubavitch is acceptable to me.
DWI, you are playing games. We are not idiots. Anyone can put two and two together and understand what you are referring to. We are big boys on this forum. We have Torah discussions sometimes. There will be disagreements. There never really was much of a problem until you came running in guns-a-blazing accusing everyone else of hating Lubavitch and loshon hara. I don't see Lubab having this reaction.
I also can't for the life of me understand why you continue to pretend that ALL OF LUBAVITCH are messichist. THEY AREN'T.
Does that mean I should accuse you of hating non-messichist Lubavitchers, and turning them away from our movement, causing division, etc etc?
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Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim.
It seems you have a hatred for litvaks!!
I have tremendous hatred for people that criticize Lubavitch from the comfort of their air conditioned homes while lubavitcher rabbanim are on the front lines under rocket fire trying to deliver words of chizzuk to Israeli soldiers. This is what Litvak Rosh yehivas do.
DWI. If a Rosh Yeshiva you encountered was critical of chabad theology, especially regarding their view of the rebbe, this has nothing to do with great work that Chabad does! And the Rosh Yeshiva, no matter how great the current chabad leaders are, no matter how many righteous deeds they are doing, that Rosh Yeshiva will never "change his mind" and accept a position he believes untrue, just to 'take it easy' on Chabad. This is not show-and-tell in first grade class.
The same is true for Chabad. No matter how righteous or great a non Lubavitch Rosh Yeshiva is, the Chabad is never going to say, well he must be right and we must be wrong then, since he does wonderful things. He's still going to be Lubavitch. It doesn't mean he hates litvaks, or vice versa. ANd it doesn't mean good deeds are condemned. You seem to confuse the two and take it that any point of contention with anything "chabad" is a blanket condemnation of everything and anything Chabad or even remotely related.
Perhaps the reason you react in this way is because you yourself often take this very approach with other groups!! And that when you DO criticize one aspect of them, you DO intend to condemn all and everything about them. As can be evidenced by your statement about litvak roshei yeshiva in this thread....
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DWI, if tomorrow Litvaks suddenly united together in a kahanist movement and did all the things that in your mind would make them righteous, would you then say that they were right all along about chabad's view of the Rebbe? This is utter insanity. The two things have nothing to do with one another. An idea is either true or not true. Chabad can do great things, it doesn't make their case any better or worse about whether or not the Rebbe ZT"L was moshiach.
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
I clearly said that I was not referring to anyone in particular. I am not sure why you took this personally. No criticism of Lubavitch is acceptable to me.
DWI, you are playing games. We are not idiots. Anyone can put two and two together and understand what you are referring to. We are big boys on this forum. We have Torah discussions sometimes. There will be disagreements. There never really was much of a problem until you came running in guns-a-blazing accusing everyone else of hating Lubavitch and loshon hara. I don't see Lubab having this reaction.
I also can't for the life of me understand why you continue to pretend that ALL OF LUBAVITCH are messichist. THEY AREN'T.
Does that mean I should accuse you of hating non-messichist Lubavitchers, and turning them away from our movement, causing division, etc etc?
Their was no problem in your eyes as long as you are on the offensive. I have started a thread here stating that certain things should be banned. I am not the one who has the power to implement this. Lets see what Chaim has to say. If he agrees with me that these things should be banned, they will. If he doesn't agree with me, that is fine and I will drop this. I didn't say that anyone in particular should be banned. I said that certain things shouldn't be allowed. And you are not the one to say whether or not Lubab is offended but that is a side issue.
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Yes, let's ban straw men.
While we are at it, why don't we also ban, all hatred of Rabbi Kahane, and all hatred of Judaism.
More straw men to ban that no one on this forum supports in the first place. If Chaim responds "yes" to your ban idea, it really has no bearing on my behavior on this forum. (nor would it affect qq). Only if you believe we really were taking your straw man stance....and don't pretend you don't believe that. Or more precisely, you may not really believe it, but don't pretend that you are not trying to portray us that way.
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Yes, let's ban straw men.
While we are at it, why don't we also ban, all hatred of Rabbi Kahane, and all hatred of Judaism.
More straw men to ban that no one on this forum supports in the first place. If Chaim responds "yes" to your ban idea, it really has no bearing on my behavior on this forum. (nor would it affect qq). Only if you believe we really were taking your straw man stance....and don't pretend you don't believe that. Or more precisely, you may not really believe it, but don't pretend that you are not trying to portray us that way.
Thank you for the idea, that should be banned to. I believe that is already banned anyways though.
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I disagree with you, DWI...Everybody is entitled to an opinion and criticism of whomever they want. The only thing I suggest is to do it in a very politically correct manner not to offend anyone and to include the fact that it is just an opinion.
Criticisms are not facts..they are mere opinions and opinions are hardly ever right or wrong..they are simply opinions.
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I disagree with you, DWI...Everybody is entitled to an opinion and criticism of whomever they want. The only thing I suggest is to do it in a very politically correct manner not to offend anyone and to include the fact that it is just an opinion.
Criticisms are not facts..they are mere opinions and opinions are hardly ever right or wrong..they are simply opinions.
I dont mind that you disagree with me Dr. Dan. I do mind that certain people spend far too much time bashing lubavitch on this forum.
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Which people
Don't play games.
Quote, and make the case. Or shut up.
Don't keep making the same claim 20 times in a thread.
If anything should be banned, it's your behaviour, and you're the only person who does it. so put 2 and 2 together.
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There's something I want to add:
There are some kind of threads I'm concerned about.
I want to give you 2 examples and explain my view:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?PHPSESSID=o7cgeeso0ho3g9be8tjtvhfsk5&topic=23160.0
This one might be funny to some, but it doesn't help us in getting the facts and the message out. What it might do is that it may disturb potential new members and supporters. Since we possibly have more traffic due to Chaims press release and the ads on webpages it doesn't seem a very smart thing to do.
Moreover we all know that JTF often is accused of being racist. Now, what kind of impression will threads like that give to visitors, who possibly don't know much of our movement? Will it boost the claim JTF is racist or the fact that JTF is not racist like Chaim made it clear?
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?PHPSESSID=o7cgeeso0ho3g9be8tjtvhfsk5&topic=23291.0
Again that thread doesn't help us in getting the facts and the message out. What it does is that it gives the impression JTF celebrates the mourning and trouble of other people without having detailed information about the situation. It may well unsettle and disencourage possible new members from joining because of the impression of blind hatred. Since we can expect to have more traffic on the forum this is not a smart thing to do.
This posting is not about attacking MW or IIC on a personal level. It's also not about my personal feelings, for the case some assume I'm bringing it up to feel better.
It is solely about the cause.
In my eyes everything we do on this forum must be measured by one question: Does it further or damage the cause?
What I'm trying to explain has (conceptionally speaking) to to with Pareto optimality. Transfering that to our postings it means that there are two dimensions we can influence with them.
The first one is how well we get our message across, the second dimension is what kind of impression the reader gets. Of course it's only rational to say that both dimensions need to be optimized.
Now if one dimension (getting information across well) can due to the nature of the topic not be influenced (=optimized) than we should make sure that our posting optimizes at least the remaining dimension (Impression the reader gets).
Although I don't promote censorship this concept also indicates that one should be reluctant towards posts that are not pareto optimal.
I hope I didn't confuse too many but I feel thats a rational way to bring across my thoughts.
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There's something I want to add:
There are some kind of threads I'm concerned about.
I want to give you 2 examples and explain my view:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?PHPSESSID=o7cgeeso0ho3g9be8tjtvhfsk5&topic=23160.0
This one might be funny to some, but it doesn't help us in getting the facts and the message out. What it might do is that it may disturb potential new members and supporters. Since we possibly have more traffic due to Chaims press release and the ads on webpages it doesn't seem a very smart thing to do.
Moreover we all know that JTF often is accused of being racist. Now, what kind of impression will threads like that give to visitors, who possibly don't know much of our movement? Will it boost the claim JTF is racist or the fact that JTF is not racist like Chaim made it clear?
I agree about this first thread. It makes the movement look like a joke. Photos can say a lot about a movement.
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I disagree with you, DWI...Everybody is entitled to an opinion and criticism of whomever they want. The only thing I suggest is to do it in a very politically correct manner not to offend anyone and to include the fact that it is just an opinion.
Criticisms are not facts..they are mere opinions and opinions are hardly ever right or wrong..they are simply opinions.
I dont mind that you disagree with me Dr. Dan. I do mind that certain people spend far too much time bashing lubavitch on this forum.
Listen..it's one thing to bash..it's another thing to say one disagrees with the Lubovitch point of view. I say, do it like the way Chaim does it. For the reason why I respect and trust Chaim, he doesn't go bashing other Jews unless they are certifiably self hating Jews. However, he usually respectfully disagrees with certain groups and is gracious about it.
So, I agree on the point that it is very wrong to right out attack fellow Jews who are otherwise decent people. But it's another thing to disagree respectfully with things that are "a matter of heaven".
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And this is why when DWI tries to ravage threads with dozens of posts claiming that I am bashing lubavitch.
(And when there is no torah being immediately discussed, Else I would call on him to be ignored)
I say. Either quote me or shut up. And he does neither, he merely continues his rhetoric.
So go on DWI. You would continue posting your garbage if I posted as I have.
You clearly think it is unacceptable.
QUOTE ME. Here. Show what you think is unacceptable. What are you afraid of?
Or do you prefer scattering your rhetoric in dozens of posts, in some kind of attempt to sabotage many torah discussions.
I repeat. Quote me here. IF you are serious. OR shut up for good.
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There's something I want to add:
There are some kind of threads I'm concerned about.
I want to give you 2 examples and explain my view:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?PHPSESSID=o7cgeeso0ho3g9be8tjtvhfsk5&topic=23160.0
This one might be funny to some, but it doesn't help us in getting the facts and the message out. What it might do is that it may disturb potential new members and supporters. Since we possibly have more traffic due to Chaims press release and the ads on webpages it doesn't seem a very smart thing to do.
Moreover we all know that JTF often is accused of being racist. Now, what kind of impression will threads like that give to visitors, who possibly don't know much of our movement? Will it boost the claim JTF is racist or the fact that JTF is not racist like Chaim made it clear?
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?PHPSESSID=o7cgeeso0ho3g9be8tjtvhfsk5&topic=23291.0
Again that thread doesn't help us in getting the facts and the message out. What it does is that it gives the impression JTF celebrates the mourning and trouble of other people without having detailed information about the situation. It may well unsettle and disencourage possible new members from joining because of the impression of blind hatred. Since we can expect to have more traffic on the forum this is not a smart thing to do.
This posting is not about attacking MW or IIC on a personal level. It's also not about my personal feelings, for the case some assume I'm bringing it up to feel better.
It is solely about the cause.
In my eyes everything we do on this forum must be measured by one question: Does it further or damage the cause?
What I'm trying to explain has (conceptionally speaking) to to with Pareto optimality. Transfering that to our postings it means that there are two dimensions we can influence with them.
The first one is how well we get our message across, the second dimension is what kind of impression the reader gets. Of course it's only rational to say that both dimensions need to be optimized.
Now if one dimension (getting information across well) can due to the nature of the topic not be influenced (=optimized) than we should make sure that our posting optimizes at least the remaining dimension (Impression the reader gets).
Although I don't promote censorship this concept also indicates that one should be reluctant towards posts that are not pareto optimal.
I hope I didn't confuse too many but I feel thats a rational way to bring across my thoughts.
I agree, althrough I am guilty of posting something like that too. :-[
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And this is why when DWI tries to ravage threads with dozens of posts claiming that I am bashing lubavitch.
(And when there is no torah being immediately discussed, Else I would call on him to be ignored)
I say. Either quote me or shut up. And he does neither, he merely continues his rhetoric.
So go on DWI. You would continue posting your garbage if I posted as I have.
You clearly think it is unacceptable.
QUOTE ME. Here. Show what you think is unacceptable. What are you afraid of?
Or do you prefer scattering your rhetoric in dozens of posts, in some kind of attempt to sabotage many torah discussions.
I repeat. Quote me here. IF you are serious. OR shut up for good.
Goylem, I dont have to quote you. Anyone can go through your post history and see that every post of yours is a subtle attack on Lubavitch. You don't outright say "I hate Lubavitch," you do it with what you call "Torah arguments." I wont waste time going through your posts nor will I shut up. You are a very arrogant man,
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And this is why when DWI tries to ravage threads with dozens of posts claiming that I am bashing lubavitch.
(And when there is no torah being immediately discussed, Else I would call on him to be ignored)
I say. Either quote me or shut up. And he does neither, he merely continues his rhetoric.
So go on DWI. You would continue posting your garbage if I posted as I have.
You clearly think it is unacceptable.
QUOTE ME. Here. Show what you think is unacceptable. What are you afraid of?
Or do you prefer scattering your rhetoric in dozens of posts, in some kind of attempt to sabotage many torah discussions.
I repeat. Quote me here. IF you are serious. OR shut up for good.
Goylem, I dont have to quote you. Anyone can go through your post history and see that every post of yours is a subtle attack on Lubavitch. You don't outright say "I hate Lubavitch," you do it with what you call "Torah arguments." I wont waste time going through your posts nor will I shut up. You are a very arrogant man,
But don't play games by trying to ruin other threads. Because YOU don't have the power to remove other peoples' posts.
You think the posts should be outlawed. Banned
So. Report them to moderators.
But don't do your own "moderation" by posting dozens of claims, claims which you admit that you have no intention to back up, and saying that the posts should be outlawed. You are clearly trying to push your agenda onto JTF.
And trying to ruin those areas of the JTF forum where you disagree.
You are no better than any other baffoon that thinks he can run JTF better than it is currently run. So go start your own little forum with 3 members, like another idiot.
At least they have the decency not to continue to harass the JTF forum by ruining any threads that they had an issue with. Which is essentially what you are doing by posting dozens of claims, which by refusing to back them up with quotes and give them any serious consideration, you are allowing yourself to repost the same garbage over and over again, in some kind of personal protest.
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May hashem give you enough wisdom to realize that Lubavitchers are wonderful people and that they do not deserve to be constantly criticized and attacked.
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May hashem give you enough wisdom to realize that Lubavitchers are wonderful people and that they do not deserve to be constantly criticized and attacked.
As far as I am concerned, I do not criticise or attack them.
Most of my favourite rabbis are lubavitch.
Their contributions are unique, immense and unparallelled.
Making it easy for people to fulfill mitzvot. On purim local chabad houses hold reading of megillat esther many times and some they do without lots of noise, some with noise. It's excellent. And most flexible.
And having chabad houses in far out places make it easy for jews to travel all over the world, whether jewish businessmen, or young jews, or jews going on far out courses to study.
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May hashem give you enough wisdom to realize that Lubavitchers are wonderful people and that they do not deserve to be constantly criticized and attacked.
As far as I am concerned, I do not criticise or attack them.
Most of my favourite rabbis are lubavitch.
Their contributions are unique, immense and unparallelled.
Making it easy for people to fulfill mitzvot. On purim local chabad houses hold reading of megillat esther many times and some they do without lots of noise, some with noise. It's excellent. And most flexible.
And having chabad houses in far out places make it easy for jews to travel all over the world, whether jewish businessmen, or young jews, or jews going on far out courses to study.
Finally a post of yours that makes sense. It is very refreshing. Maybe this will be a new page in our history where Lubavitch will no longer fall victim. I am very happy about this post.
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It all becomes a similar catch-22 situation when dealing with muslamic terrorism anywhere, whether in Foolishtine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Chechenya or any other part of the world.
The real problem is that the Muslamics do not have any human sentiments. They have absolutely no consideration for the mothers, sisters, children and innocents of the infidels. I have never seen any muslamic feeling even a remote sense of guilt or injustice when they mercilessly massacred the hundreds of hapless pilgrims and thousands of other innocent citizens. Rather each one of then rejoices such situations at some pretext or the other, most preferably in the name of their moon deity.
Problem is that the responsibilities of all the good acts and actions on this earth are considered to be lying squarely on the shoulders of Jewish and their friends, and the Muslamics get running free.
Anyhow I am proud that there are some among us who don't feel it good even when a muslamic mother is seen under severe distress, but such things shall not be made serious points of confrontation among ourselves. Again Muslamics shall be the first and the last persons to rejoice such a tricky situation.
Surely there are certain contradictions within ourselves, but while discussing them we we should not jump overboard to the deserts where muslamics are eagerly waiting with Ak-47s.
I mean if we are sincere, we should not throw the Baby with the water of the tub.
With Regards... :)
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DWI, I would say that I do not have an agenda to praise or criticise lubavitch.
Now as I said. Your claim is that I have an agenda to criticise lubavitch.
or you might claim that I sometimes follow an agenda of criticising lubavitch.
And you think those posts should be banned.
As I said, stop harassing the forum about it, and sabotaging torah threads..
Either make the case seriously. By Quoting me.
And you may as well do it here. So your evidence is in one central place.
And then make the case to Ban the kind of discussion that I have had.
But you have no right to sabotage threads and harass the forum when you don't get your way.
And that is what you are doing when you post empty claims that you admit you refuse to back up.
And by doing so, you allow yourself to repost the same claims over and over again.
I don't suggest people do this willy nilly, but in your case, it is preferable to you harassing the forum.
REPORT TO MODERATORS.
Click that button if you don't like my posts.
That's better than sabotaging any discussion that you object to.
And if you don't like the way this forum is run, then start your own like the other idiots.
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I know that you are trying to silence your critics but I wont shut up. If you attack Lubavitch in a way that I am not comfortable with, the least I can do is chime in. You wont succeed in stopping that.
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I know that you are trying to silence your critics but I wont shut up. If you attack Lubavitch in a way that I am not comfortable with, the least I can do is chime in. You wont succeed in stopping that.
It is not Chiming in.
It is repeating an endless canard. As a protest that you don't have the power to remove my posts.
You want to make your case. Make it here and provide a link to that case, in the thread you wish to chime in to.
Then you can "chime in" without sabotaging the thread.
But you will always want to destroy any torah thread that you don't like , you would rather sabotage the thread, than inform people of your "case" that I am anti lubavitch.
You have no right to damage discussion on the JTF forum.
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May I sincerely request to both of you, that you may have your correct but diverse opinions. However you may please not allow them to be to be discussed in a manner unworthy of this forum. After all you both have highly valued opinions here.
With Regards... :)
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May I sincerely request to both of you, that you may have your correct but diverse opinions. However you may please not allow them to be to be discussed in a manner unworthy of this forum. After all you both have highly valued opinions here.
With Regards... :)
That is a good request and I will comply.
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May I sincerely request to both of you, that you may have your correct but diverse opinions. However you may please not allow them to be to be discussed in a manner unworthy of this forum. After all you both have highly valued opinions here.
With Regards... :)
That is a good request and I will comply.
Thanx for complying to request and editing. :)
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
I clearly said that I was not referring to anyone in particular. I am not sure why you took this personally. No criticism of Lubavitch is acceptable to me.
DWI, you are playing games. We are not idiots. Anyone can put two and two together and understand what you are referring to. We are big boys on this forum. We have Torah discussions sometimes. There will be disagreements. There never really was much of a problem until you came running in guns-a-blazing accusing everyone else of hating Lubavitch and loshon hara. I don't see Lubab having this reaction.
I also can't for the life of me understand why you continue to pretend that ALL OF LUBAVITCH are messichist. THEY AREN'T.
Does that mean I should accuse you of hating non-messichist Lubavitchers, and turning them away from our movement, causing division, etc etc?
Their was no problem in your eyes as long as you are on the offensive. I have started a thread here stating that certain things should be banned. I am not the one who has the power to implement this. Lets see what Chaim has to say. If he agrees with me that these things should be banned, they will. If he doesn't agree with me, that is fine and I will drop this. I didn't say that anyone in particular should be banned. I said that certain things shouldn't be allowed. And you are not the one to say whether or not Lubab is offended but that is a side issue.
Chaim himself has, on more than one occasion, disagreed vigorously with Chabad philosophy even going so far as to say that the Tanya(the central book of Chabad theology) does not represent classical Jewish thought.
I suppose Chaim should be thrown off of the forum as well.
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
I clearly said that I was not referring to anyone in particular. I am not sure why you took this personally. No criticism of Lubavitch is acceptable to me.
DWI, you are playing games. We are not idiots. Anyone can put two and two together and understand what you are referring to. We are big boys on this forum. We have Torah discussions sometimes. There will be disagreements. There never really was much of a problem until you came running in guns-a-blazing accusing everyone else of hating Lubavitch and loshon hara. I don't see Lubab having this reaction.
I also can't for the life of me understand why you continue to pretend that ALL OF LUBAVITCH are messichist. THEY AREN'T.
Does that mean I should accuse you of hating non-messichist Lubavitchers, and turning them away from our movement, causing division, etc etc?
Their was no problem in your eyes as long as you are on the offensive. I have started a thread here stating that certain things should be banned. I am not the one who has the power to implement this. Lets see what Chaim has to say. If he agrees with me that these things should be banned, they will. If he doesn't agree with me, that is fine and I will drop this. I didn't say that anyone in particular should be banned. I said that certain things shouldn't be allowed. And you are not the one to say whether or not Lubab is offended but that is a side issue.
Chaim himself has, on more than one occasion, disagreed vigorously with Chabad philosophy even going so far as to say that the Tanya(the central book of Chabad theology) does not represent classical Jewish thought.
I suppose Chaim should be thrown off of the forum as well.
I honestly have never heard Chaim say that. I have only heard him praise Lubavitch more then he praises almost anyone else. I view that as something good. But I have to say again that I never heard Chaim criticize Lubavitch at all.
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I can go back to the archives of ASK JTF and reteive the audio.
Would you like me to do so?
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I can go back to the archives of ASK JTF and reteive the audio.
Would you like me to do so?
I am not even joking, I have listened to I think every single show for many years and I have not ever heard Chaim even criticize Lubavitch. If you do take the time to search through the archives and you do point me to the show where Chaim said that about Chabad, I will still be against criticising Lubavitch but I will indeed admit that you proved me wrong and that Chaim did indeed criticize them. I love Chabad regardless but I am indeed interested to hear Chaims words on this issue and I will admit that you were right if you do find the show. Thanks Judeanoncapta.
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I really cannot stand when Chabad is criticized on this forum. Many times people try to cloak their hatred of Lubavitch with the "civilized debate" guise. Their is nothing bad at all that can be said about Chabad. All you have to do is watch videos of the Israeli soldiers going into battle in Lebanon 06'. At the Lebanon border and under rocket fire, Chabad Rabbeim were there giving the soldiers words of encouragement and blessing them. Why dont I see all the litvak yeshivas sending their bochurim to the front lines? I am not even asking for the Rabbeim to go, just the bochurim. Their is no other group that goes above and beyond to help their fellow jews like Chabad does. Any negative talk about Chabad is Loshon Hara and a lie. The JTF forum should not tolerate a single negative post in regards to Lubavitch. I would call for bannings here even if that means loosing a few members. This is a matter of principle.
Another problem that arises from time to time are those that foolishly bash genitles. This has the potential to hurt JTF and drive away righteous gentiles that come here to support us. Their should be a zero tolerance policy in regard to these two issues.
I am not referring to anyone in particular so nobody should get defensive. The point of this thread is not to cause division but unity instead. Lets hope that Chaim becomes PM of Israel which would definitely lead to a better world for all righteous people.
DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
I clearly said that I was not referring to anyone in particular. I am not sure why you took this personally. No criticism of Lubavitch is acceptable to me.
DWI, you are playing games. We are not idiots. Anyone can put two and two together and understand what you are referring to. We are big boys on this forum. We have Torah discussions sometimes. There will be disagreements. There never really was much of a problem until you came running in guns-a-blazing accusing everyone else of hating Lubavitch and loshon hara. I don't see Lubab having this reaction.
I also can't for the life of me understand why you continue to pretend that ALL OF LUBAVITCH are messichist. THEY AREN'T.
Does that mean I should accuse you of hating non-messichist Lubavitchers, and turning them away from our movement, causing division, etc etc?
Their was no problem in your eyes as long as you are on the offensive. I have started a thread here stating that certain things should be banned. I am not the one who has the power to implement this. Lets see what Chaim has to say. If he agrees with me that these things should be banned, they will. If he doesn't agree with me, that is fine and I will drop this. I didn't say that anyone in particular should be banned. I said that certain things shouldn't be allowed. And you are not the one to say whether or not Lubab is offended but that is a side issue.
Chaim himself has, on more than one occasion, disagreed vigorously with Chabad philosophy even going so far as to say that the Tanya(the central book of Chabad theology) does not represent classical Jewish thought.
I suppose Chaim should be thrown off of the forum as well.
I honestly have never heard Chaim say that. I have only heard him praise Lubavitch more then he praises almost anyone else. I view that as something good. But I have to say again that I never heard Chaim criticize Lubavitch at all.
He praises them for hahavat yisrael...but he disagrees with certain fundamental things whcih i dont' remember what it was....it becomes more of an arguement between this world and the world to come...but chaim has disagreed respectfully with Lubab on certain things.
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I can go back to the archives of ASK JTF and reteive the audio.
Would you like me to do so?
I am not even joking, I have listened to I think every single show for many years and I have not ever heard Chaim even criticize Lubavitch.
So that means they are infallible?
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I don't mind if people want to criticize and ask question about the Lubavitch position on things, I only wish it would be done with bit more respect sometimes. Sometimes people just will totally discount things from the Lubavitcher Rebbe or the Alter Rebbe...I laugh and cry at the same time when I see it because they have no IDEA what a mockery they are making of themselves. They have no idea what Torah giants they are mocking...and that is quite hurtful.
But questions and comments are welcome and encouraged!
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There's something I want to add:
There are some kind of threads I'm concerned about.
I want to give you 2 examples and explain my view:
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?PHPSESSID=o7cgeeso0ho3g9be8tjtvhfsk5&topic=23160.0
This one might be funny to some, but it doesn't help us in getting the facts and the message out. What it might do is that it may disturb potential new members and supporters. Since we possibly have more traffic due to Chaims press release and the ads on webpages it doesn't seem a very smart thing to do.
Moreover we all know that JTF often is accused of being racist. Now, what kind of impression will threads like that give to visitors, who possibly don't know much of our movement? Will it boost the claim JTF is racist or the fact that JTF is not racist like Chaim made it clear?
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?PHPSESSID=o7cgeeso0ho3g9be8tjtvhfsk5&topic=23291.0
Again that thread doesn't help us in getting the facts and the message out. What it does is that it gives the impression JTF celebrates the mourning and trouble of other people without having detailed information about the situation. It may well unsettle and disencourage possible new members from joining because of the impression of blind hatred. Since we can expect to have more traffic on the forum this is not a smart thing to do.
This posting is not about attacking MW or IIC on a personal level. It's also not about my personal feelings, for the case some assume I'm bringing it up to feel better.
It is solely about the cause.
In my eyes everything we do on this forum must be measured by one question: Does it further or damage the cause?
What I'm trying to explain has (conceptionally speaking) to to with Pareto optimality. Transfering that to our postings it means that there are two dimensions we can influence with them.
The first one is how well we get our message across, the second dimension is what kind of impression the reader gets. Of course it's only rational to say that both dimensions need to be optimized.
Now if one dimension (getting information across well) can due to the nature of the topic not be influenced (=optimized) than we should make sure that our posting optimizes at least the remaining dimension (Impression the reader gets).
Although I don't promote censorship this concept also indicates that one should be reluctant towards posts that are not pareto optimal.
I hope I didn't confuse too many but I feel thats a rational way to bring across my thoughts.
I agree, if one of the 4% of blacks who are trending not to vote for Obama comes here to say they hate Obama, they won't help the movement if they think everyone here is calling all blacks the n word or monkeys. I think that pic was funny and it just made fun of Michelle Obama but if people start attacking anyone with black skin, it won't help the movement and it will marginalize it.
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May I sincerely request to both of you, that you may have your correct but diverse opinions. However you may please not allow them to be to be discussed in a manner unworthy of this forum. After all you both have highly valued opinions here.
With Regards... :)
That is a good request and I will comply.
This is how you comply.
CF:
Newsflash, that pig(the satmar rebbe) was a "rebbe" about as much as his hero Adolf Hitler was.
QQ:
you're just an ignorant immature kid, you're not jewish, and you don't know what you're talking about.
DWI:
QQ, CF is a righteous gentile. You are an evil rasha and a follower of Mohamad the rapist. I would trust Chaimfan over a rasha like you anyday.
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May I sincerely request to both of you, that you may have your correct but diverse opinions. However you may please not allow them to be to be discussed in a manner unworthy of this forum. After all you both have highly valued opinions here.
With Regards... :)
That is a good request and I will comply.
This is how you comply.
CF:
Newsflash, that pig(the satmar rebbe) was a "rebbe" about as much as his hero Adolf Hitler was.
QQ:
you're just an ignorant immature kid, you're not jewish, and you don't know what you're talking about.
DWI:
QQ, CF is a righteous gentile. You are an evil rasha and a follower of Mohamad the rapist. I would trust Chaimfan over a rasha like you anyday.
GAY CLAP DAYN KAP IN VANT
Sure I wrote that you are a rasha but that is after you attacked.
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DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
Then I want to see equal criticism of Saatmar "messianic" theology.
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DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
Then I want to see equal criticism of Saatmar "messianic" theology.
your idea of criticising satmar is calling them nazis.
Religious Jewish criticism of satmar on this forum, has been similar to jewish criticism of lubavitch moshichists. i.e. That the RAMBAM supports neither, despite their claims.
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DWI, what is your deal? This is just more putting words into people's mouths and ascribing horrible intentions and emotions on people who don't harbor them. I don't know how many times I can stress this point that it is not HATRED OF LUBAVITCH to disagree with Chabad messianic theology. You seem to have serious issues. It's really getting tiresome. Your accusations are really getting off the wall here.
Then I want to see equal criticism of Saatmar "messianic" theology.
I do not know enough about Satmar, but I do not believe that they hold their Rebbe is Moshiach ( but anyway in general, I am agains't such groups, because of what it can lead to) Once again I said agains't, being agains't someone does not mean that one hates them. And anyway their is no one here to debate agains't Satmer positions, because no one holds by them here.
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HELLO, Joel Teitelbaum (who is chilling in a vat of molten sulphur as we type) COLLABORATED with Adolf Hitler. He wrote all of his brainwashed followers letters telling them that the Nazis just wanted them to work for a while and would not hurt them.
If that isn't being a Nazi, I don't know what is.
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HELLO, Joel Teitelbaum (who is chilling in a vat of molten sulphur as we type) COLLABORATED with Adolf Hitler. He wrote all of his brainwashed followers letters telling them that the Nazis just wanted them to work for a while and would not hurt them.
If that isn't being a Nazi, I don't know what is.
Chaimfan, you are exactly right. Their is no question that the satamr devil is right now intimate with hitler and goebels in gehenom.
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You don't curse jews.
The Satmar Rebbe was a rabbi too. Whether you like it or not.
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You don't curse jews.
The Satmar Rebbe was a rabbi too. Whether you like it or not.
He was not a rebbe. Rebbes dont make deals with Rammel and send their fellow jews off to the death camps. Do some reading on the kastner train.
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You don't curse jews.
The Satmar Rebbe was a rabbi too. Whether you like it or not.
Once more you convict yourself with your own words. Only a Satmar (or wannabe Satmar) would call that Amalekite a "rabbi".
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You don't curse jews.
The Satmar Rebbe was a rabbi too. Whether you like it or not.
Once more you convict yourself with your own words. Only a Satmar (or wannabe Satmar) would call that Amalekite a "rabbi".
Agreed.
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The Satanmar "rebbe" Teitelbaum's skin is currently melting off of his bones in that river of molten antimony and tungsten he is submerged in. That thought pains his defenders.
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Joel Teiteldrek prob has AIDS now as he prob though that arafat was sexy and did what a boy will do when he is a fag.
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And of course one can observe DWI's attempt at being a good boy didn't last long.
CF Tells jews like Tzvi and myself, that we think we are a master race. [1]
I point out to DWI that CF - his friend - has done so.
DWI, oblivious to the fact that CF had said that to Tzvi first, and then to me. Said the following
DWI
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QQ, leave tzvi out of this. We are adressing you now. Dont Lump tzvi into this. I deal with tzvi seperately. Chaimfan did refer to your ideaology as the master race. He was not referring to judaism, as you qq are not jewish. You are basicly a muslim. Chaimfan was not referring to judaism as you QQQQQ, are already chayiv kares.
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Thus , defending his friend CF's anti-semitic posturing.
I have never seen a Jew defend a non-jew that refers to jews that claims any jews think of themselves as a master race
[1]
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=23330.0
thread "my response to q_q_" page 1
[2]
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php?topic=23193.msg249604#msg249604
thread: "how an old earth doesn't contradict the torah" (general section) page 12
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So I am an anti-Semite, eh?
I guess defending the man who worked out a deal to send 800,000 of his own followers, who loved him and worshipped him as Maschiach, to their deaths in the ovens, is philo-Semitic.
Mmm-hmm. ::)
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I hate anti semites more than anyone else. You MR qqq, support anti semites. I know that Chaimfan is a lover of the jewish people and he was merely referring to your invented religion which consists of attacking your fellow jews and righteous gentiles.
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So I am an anti-Semite, eh?
I guess defending the man who worked out a deal to send 800,000 of his own followers, who loved him and worshipped him as Maschiach, to their deaths in the ovens, is philo-Semitic.
Mmm-hmm. ::)
The Satmars did not worship their rebbe as moshiach.
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In fact, Jews do not worship moschiach whoever he will be, when he does come.
We worship only G-d.
But in addition to not worshipping him,
The satmarers did not believe their rebbe was moshiach.
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I do not defend the satmar rebbe's actions during the holocaust.
But we do not curse jews. Chaim has been clear on this.
You should know, ChaimFan, you're meant to be his fan.
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So I am an anti-Semite, eh?
I guess defending the man who worked out a deal to send 800,000 of his own followers, who loved him and worshipped him as Maschiach, to their deaths in the ovens, is philo-Semitic.
Mmm-hmm. ::)
The Satmars did not worship their rebbe as moshiach.
Not in name, but in action, they do hold him as their messiah. That satmar skunk was worthy of being a research monkey, not moshiach.
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The Satmars did not worship their rebbe as moshiach.
Right.
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Not in name, but in action, they do hold him as their messiah. That satmar skunk was worthy of being a research monkey, not moshiach.
Well, he is a research monkey, now. Thanks to him, we are now finding out what 4,000 degrees of liquefied bauxite and corundum do to the musculoskeletal system.
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The Satmars did not worship their rebbe as moshiach.
Right.
What does this mean?
Satmars are the last people on earth to think this is even remotely the messianic era.
They are the ones who say buildings will come down from heaven to replace those in Eretz Yisrael, and the messiah will build the beit hamikdash in spectacular fashion with vast spiritual miracles like this. How can Satmar rebbe be the moschiach if a cornerstone of his belief (and his followers') is that "this is not the messianic period" LOL
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So I am an anti-Semite, eh?
I guess defending the man who worked out a deal to send 800,000 of his own followers, who loved him and worshipped him as Maschiach, to their deaths in the ovens, is philo-Semitic.
Mmm-hmm. ::)
We don't curse Jews. Ask Chaim if you can curse the Satmar Rebbe.
That you have alot of anti-semitism in your blood is obvious.
Anybody who accuses jews of thinking of themselves as a master race, is an anti-semite.
And you have in the past expressed idea that the talmud hates non-jews, which is nazi propaganda.
There is a real hatred of jews deeply embedded in you. Maybe that's why your conscience draws you to JTF, out of guilt. But your anti-semitic sentiment keeps coming out and you can't get away from it.
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We have had so much trouble in the past. And now this ugly dispute. :(