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Title: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 12:25:17 PM
Feminism is the only issue.

Men are no longer men but boys.

Life has become 'easy' and we've lost our will.

Ironically, the only thing that can save us is suffering and lots of it.

What else will convince us to change our emasculated ways?
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Rubystars on July 16, 2008, 12:28:18 PM
Enzyte?

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:2bqIxpJMbdKv4M:http://www.destructoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/enzyte.jpg)
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 12:33:18 PM
Enzyte?

You're a fan of South Park.

Watch the episode where Gerald Broflovsky is having viagra-related problems.

That will explain everything.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Manch on July 16, 2008, 12:36:01 PM
Feminism is the only issue.

Men are no longer men but boys.

Life has become 'easy' and we've lost our will.

Ironically, the only thing that can save us is suffering and lots of it.

What else will convince us to change our emasculated ways?
Obama 08, then?
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 12:37:31 PM
Enzyte?

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:2bqIxpJMbdKv4M:http://www.destructoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/enzyte.jpg)

That hideous commercial is a good example of the ubiquitous portrayal of men as dumb boobs in Western media.

Showing men in a negative light is one of the favorite pastimes of the Feminist Movement.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 12:38:25 PM
Feminism is the only issue.

Men are no longer men but boys.

Life has become 'easy' and we've lost our will.

Ironically, the only thing that can save us is suffering and lots of it.

What else will convince us to change our emasculated ways?
Obama 08, then?

Perhaps.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 16, 2008, 12:42:00 PM
that commercial is there to expose a reality that many men can't get it up...and it's existed for a long time i"m sure.

Might i make a suggestion?  For a married man to try Nidda with his wife...I'm sure by the time he's 70, he'll still be able to put it up.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: ~Hanna~ on July 16, 2008, 12:43:58 PM
There is a really good book called "Wild at Heart" written by a man named John Eldredge (ransomed heart ministries).....it talks about this very issue....he and his wife also wrote a companion book for the women called "Captivating" these books go together .....about the roles of men and women and what G-d's plan has always been.

Really good books if you ask me........

I highly recommend them......

Ive read the one for women several times and need to read it again, there is healing in that book.

Wild at Heart talks about men being real men.

 O0
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Americanhero1 on July 16, 2008, 12:44:08 PM
Enzyte?

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:2bqIxpJMbdKv4M:http://www.destructoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/enzyte.jpg)

 :::D :::D :::D
The joy of a gift that keeps on giving :::D
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: TheCoon on July 16, 2008, 12:48:53 PM
If Obama wins, boys will be running things in America. Homeboys, that is.  :::D
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 16, 2008, 12:51:30 PM
"Feminization" is not, strictly speaking, the problem. The "feminization" that is currently taking place is a warped, twisted parody of what real womanly characteristics are. In ancient Israel, women were actually often more conservative than the Hebrew men. When our country was founded, American wives embodied the pioneer spirit as the nation pushed west and these wives were every bit as rock-solid in their values as the men.

Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 12:54:34 PM
that commercial is there to expose a reality that many men can't get it up...and it's existed for a long time i"m sure.

Watch the South Park episode that I suggested.  It explains everything.

Men are attracted to Women in their 20's.  Its a fact.

If a sixty-year-old man is having trouble with marital relations it is because his wife is no longer attractive.

What I say isn't popular, but its true.

Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 12:55:52 PM
"Feminization" is not, strictly speaking, the problem. The "feminization" that is currently taking place is a warped, twisted parody of what real womanly characteristics are. In ancient Israel, women were actually often more conservative than the Hebrew men. When our country was founded, American wives embodied the pioneer spirit as the nation pushed west and these wives were every bit as rock-solid in their values as the men.



Precisely.

Our survival depends on the 'Ladies'.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 16, 2008, 12:59:59 PM
There is no biological factor making women left-wing any more than there is a biological reason for why almost all schvartzes choose to be apes.

It is culture, culture, culture. Most American women, for generations, have felt that it is un-womanly to enthusiastically support war or sentence beasts to death. The only reason why it would be "un-womanly" is because starting at least fifty years ago, a sissified, wussy parody of femininity was popularized throughout society. That is very difficult to break psychologically now.

Left-wing femininity is as representative of true womanhood as male homosexuality is of true masculinity.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lisa on July 16, 2008, 01:18:41 PM
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Watch the South Park episode that I suggested.  It explains everything.

Men are attracted to Women in their 20's.  Its a fact.

If a sixty-year-old man is having trouble with marital relations it is because his wife is no longer attractive.

What I say isn't popular, but its true.

Scriabin, aging is a fact of life for both men and women.  And I should think that after spending years together as husband and wife, couples become more concerned about what's on the inside, (which is not to say that people should let themselves go in the looks department). 

So what are you suggesting?  Do you think that men who no longer find their 60 year old wives attractive dump them for 20 year olds? 
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: nikmatdam on July 16, 2008, 01:19:53 PM
yeah listen and watch radio and tv ads... almost everyone of them puts down men in general and white men in particular... women are always talking down to them... men are always made out to be the dumb-jerk the woman has to put in his place and teach him how to walk and chew gum at the same time... and/or mollify or appease his woman when she's mad as hell at his bumbling and stumbling screw-ups... there are exceptions of course... but this is slime-ordered propaganda to emasculate the amer. male... the white prot. ones esp. and don't get me started on how they always portay the jewish male nebishels... until moshiach comes and human nature is transformed back to the energy of gan eden... of true equality bet. the sexes... males need to rule for their own self-esteem... benignly of course... i do not mean abusively or violently... G-d forbid... and women who have such a hold over us anyway... have to understand this need for men to be strong and be brave to stand up against tyranny and fascism or it will be all over for them as well and not just for the amer. man... nik.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Rubystars on July 16, 2008, 01:20:33 PM
Enzyte?

You're a fan of South Park.

Watch the episode where Gerald Broflovsky is having viagra-related problems.

That will explain everything.

LOL :)

I do think that men are being victimized in that "male" behaviors are consistently punished, especially by female teachers in school. They like the little girl students because they sit quietly and study, but they can be just plain mean and impatient with the male students. I think a lot of what's called "ADD" is actually typical male behavior and not outside the norm.

Boys SHOULD be more energetic, more loud, etc. Of course there has to be some control in the class room, but I think too often boys are punished simply for being boys. Maybe it would help men to start there. If they're allowed to be boys, perhaps that will help them to feel more comfortable as men later on.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: RationalThought110 on July 16, 2008, 02:27:02 PM


Watch the South Park episode that I suggested.  It explains everything.

Men are attracted to Women in their 20's.  Its a fact.

If a sixty-year-old man is having trouble with marital relations it is because his wife is no longer attractive.

What I say isn't popular, but its true.





Your post is misguided.  Is that something you really believe? 
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 02:58:19 PM


Watch the South Park episode that I suggested.  It explains everything.

Men are attracted to Women in their 20's.  Its a fact.

If a sixty-year-old man is having trouble with marital relations it is because his wife is no longer attractive.

What I say isn't popular, but its true.

Your post is misguided.  Is that something you really believe? 

Its the truth.

Inner beauty and physical attractiveness are two completely different things.

Old Men say that they're wives are the most 'beautiful' Women in the world because they love their wives and that's reason enough.  They don't mean it literally, however.

If you don't understand this, then you are the one who's misguided.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 03:01:51 PM
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Watch the South Park episode that I suggested.  It explains everything.

Men are attracted to Women in their 20's.  Its a fact.

If a sixty-year-old man is having trouble with marital relations it is because his wife is no longer attractive.

What I say isn't popular, but its true.

Scriabin, aging is a fact of life for both men and women.  And I should think that after spending years together as husband and wife, couples become more concerned about what's on the inside, (which is not to say that people should let themselves go in the looks department). 

I agree.

Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 03:05:01 PM
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Watch the South Park episode that I suggested.  It explains everything.

Men are attracted to Women in their 20's.  Its a fact.

If a sixty-year-old man is having trouble with marital relations it is because his wife is no longer attractive.

What I say isn't popular, but its true.

Scriabin, aging is a fact of life for both men and women.  And I should think that after spending years together as husband and wife, couples become more concerned about what's on the inside, (which is not to say that people should let themselves go in the looks department). 

So what are you suggesting?  Do you think that men who no longer find their 60 year old wives attractive dump them for 20 year olds? 

It is an awful thing but it happens.

Let's face it.  Relationships that are based on physical attraction are doomed to fail the moment the attraction ends.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 16, 2008, 03:09:08 PM
Scriabin, aging to the point of unattractiveness is not necessarily inevitable. Here in Cali, women tend to age prematurely because of the pathological obsession with roasting yourself like a Christmas ham at the beach. (I don't understand this batty phenomenon any more than I understand how nutty Israelis continue to think that national suicide will bring peace.  ::) ).

Things that noticeably age women include:

tanning (as listed above)
smoking (this is a big one)
drinking more than very moderately
using drugs
stress
lack of sleep
bearing children (yes, this is not a politically-correct thing to say, but it is true)

However, with the exception of the final thing, all of what I listed ages men just as equally. It might be true that they apply to women worse (especially tanning--I know of few men who are as obsessed with looking like a Thanksgiving Butterball as much as the vast majority of Cali girls are), but all of them hit men just the same (except for, of course, childbearing). I doubt that most women find the average seventy-year-old man particularly hunky. I don't see it as being productive to pick on the appearance of older women on this forum.

Instead of making comments against the appearence of older women, have you considered praying you will remain attracted to and content with your wife?
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lisa on July 16, 2008, 03:12:54 PM
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It is an awful thing but it happens.

I think that as Men get older, sex becomes less important.

Let's face it.  Relationships that are based on physical attraction are doomed to fail the moment the attraction ends.

I'm well aware of the fact that it happens.  And I guess I wasn't being clear but I wanted to know if this is something you condone.  

Otherwise, I find the rest of your response confusing.  You say that the only reason older men can't "rise" to the occasion (just paraphrasing) is that they find their 60 year old wives unattractive, and that they're naturally attracted to 20 something year old young women.  

Then you said that as men get old, sex becomes less important.  So which is it?  Is there normal sex drive dampened because of the wife's perceived unattractiveness?  Or is just because the man is getting older, and it's not that important to him any more?

I'm very interested in knowing.

Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 03:14:03 PM
Scriabin, I don't see it as being productive to pick on the appearance of older women on this forum.

I'm not picking on older Women.  Like Lisa said, its what's on the inside that counts.  

This thread was originally about Feminism but was diverted off-course with a joke about Enzyte.  
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 16, 2008, 03:15:09 PM
One more thing, Scriabin--there are plenty of marriages where the middle-aged wife is still extremely hot and the middle-aged husband has completely let himself go. I have seen plenty of "boomers" at concerts, etc. in which a very attractive lady is being accompanied by a Homer Simpson. If I were that wife, I would likely rather gouge my eyes out than be intimate with that husband.

Why shouldn't men have to make the effort to keep themselves looking presentable?
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lisa on July 16, 2008, 03:18:18 PM
I'm glad you're not picking on older women, Scriabin.  So I'm still confused about your last two posts.   
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 03:18:42 PM
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It is an awful thing but it happens.

I think that as Men get older, sex becomes less important.

Let's face it. Relationships that are based on physical attraction are doomed to fail the moment the attraction ends.

I'm well aware of the fact that it happens.  And I guess I wasn't being clear but I wanted to know if this is something you condone.  

Otherwise, I find the rest of your response confusing.  You say that the only reason older men can't "rise" to the occasion (just paraphrasing) is that they find their 60 year old wives unattractive, and that they're naturally attracted to 20 something year old young women.  

Then you said that as men get old, sex becomes less important.  So which is it?  Is there normal sex drive dampened because of the wife's perceived unattractiveness?  Or is just because the man is getting older, and it's not that important to him any more?

I'm very interested in knowing.

1)  I DON'T condone it. That's why I used the word 'awful'.

2)  I edited the post. The statement about sex being less important as we get older was another point that I decided wasn't appropriate in that particular post.

I was saying that, as men get older, things like sex become less important and things like a person's soul become more important.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 16, 2008, 03:20:04 PM
If Obama wins, boys will be running things in America. Homeboys, that is.  :::D

homo boyz you mean
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 16, 2008, 03:20:25 PM
So which is it?  Is there normal sex drive dampened because of the wife's perceived unattractiveness?  Or is just because the man is getting older, and it's not that important to him any more?

I'm very interested in knowing.
Well, Lisa, this is actually something that I am afraid of, somewhat, in thinking about getting married, because I do know of marriages in which one or both partners have let themselves go (or have just aged) and the guy has lost all desire for his wife. A 60-year old man, in almost all cases, still has plenty of libido, and thus not being attracted to your wife any longer at that age is miserable way to live. When I am married, I want a wife who will hold me accountable to my appearance and who will not tolerate a lazy-mule Homer Simpson. I ask that G-d would bless me with a woman who is similarly devoted to her own upkeep.

Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 16, 2008, 03:21:04 PM
that commercial is there to expose a reality that many men can't get it up...and it's existed for a long time i"m sure.

Watch the South Park episode that I suggested.  It explains everything.

Men are attracted to Women in their 20's.  Its a fact.

If a sixty-year-old man is having trouble with marital relations it is because his wife is no longer attractive.

What I say isn't popular, but its true.




haven't made it to that point yet...maybe you're right..maybe there are exceptions..maybe you are wrong..
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 03:21:11 PM
One more thing, Scriabin--there are plenty of marriages where the middle-aged wife is still extremely hot and the middle-aged husband has completely let himself go. I have seen plenty of "boomers" at concerts, etc. in which a very attractive lady is being accompanied by a Homer Simpson. If I were that wife, I would likely rather gouge my eyes out than be intimate with that husband.

Why shouldn't men have to make the effort to keep themselves looking presentable?

Women are much less interested in looks than men are.

This is why you can frequently see slovenly men with beautiful women.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 16, 2008, 03:23:09 PM
This is why you can frequently see slovenly men with beautiful women.
It's called money, Scriabin.

And I guarantee you that these skanks married to fat, ugly 65-year old millionaires are getting action on the side from males considerably younger and more virile.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lisa on July 16, 2008, 03:30:43 PM
From what I understand, and I'm not that observant, is that in Judaism, a husband and wife both have certain obligations to each other.  From what I've read, the husband has the obligation to provide financially and sexually for the wife.  And correct me if I'm wrong, but wives are also discouraged from "letting themselves go." 

But this might just be a good question for Chaim. 
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 03:31:21 PM
This is why you can frequently see slovenly men with beautiful women.
It's called money, Scriabin.

And I guarantee you that these skanks married to fat, ugly 65-year old millionaires are getting action on the side from males considerably younger and more virile.

Money, yes.

Also, confidence, grooming, body language, etc.

A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.

Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 16, 2008, 03:39:59 PM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 03:45:55 PM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 03:47:48 PM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Obviously, fame and wealth don't hurt.

But any guy can improve his situation with Scriabin's Golden Advice.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 16, 2008, 03:57:27 PM
But any guy can improve his situation with Scriabin's Golden Advice.
ROTFLMAO, we'll see about that.  :::D
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 04:11:27 PM
But any guy can improve his situation with Scriabin's Golden Advice.
ROTFLMAO, we'll see about that.  :::D

If you don't try it, the laugh's on you.  ;)
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: spiritus_persona on July 16, 2008, 04:19:51 PM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.

That's right, women don't like good-looking, big-muscled men.  Because those type of men are typically vain about their appearance, also the woman might feel jealous because she's not the good-looking one of the couple.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 04:27:01 PM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.

That's right, women don't like good-looking, big-muscled men.  Because those type of men are typically vain about their appearance, also the woman might feel jealous because she's not the good-looking one of the couple.

Good-looks are a very small part of what attracts a Woman to a potential mate.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dan on July 16, 2008, 04:28:39 PM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.

That's right, women don't like good-looking, big-muscled men.  Because those type of men are typically vain about their appearance, also the woman might feel jealous because she's not the good-looking one of the couple.

Good-looks are a very small part of what attracts a Woman to a potential mate.
that means there's hope for the rest of us...  ;D
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Rubystars on July 16, 2008, 09:36:39 PM
I think men in general are more visually oriented. Also from a biological perspective, men stay fertile much longer than women do. While a 50 something year old man can usually still produce children, a 50 something year old woman can not. Her most fertile years are from her later teenage years to her early 20s. Men are biologically wired (not by choice) to prefer this age of woman sexually. Women can better afford biologically to feel attracted to an older man, which is one reason they're less likely than men to have an affair with a younger person. This might have been what Scriabin was getting at.

I try to look at things from a biological perspective as much as I can when it comes to determining the differences between men and women and I do think Scriabin had a valid point about men being naturally attracted sexually to young women.

Of course as many people have stated, looks are not everything, and long-term relationships are built on more than this.



Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: P J C on July 16, 2008, 09:40:57 PM
Forget about Feminists. 98% of them are liberals.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 10:25:06 PM
Forget about Feminists. 98% of them are liberals.

I'd love to forget about them.

Nearly 98% of Women are Feminists.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 16, 2008, 10:31:43 PM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.

That's right, women don't like good-looking, big-muscled men.  Because those type of men are typically vain about their appearance, also the woman might feel jealous because she's not the good-looking one of the couple.

Good-looks are a very small part of what attracts a Woman to a potential mate.


and you are a woman to know this?  Oh wait, the girls are all over you and therefore you know this for a fact...

akh, scriabin...

Different girls like different things...Some like a rich guy, some like a pretty guy, some like a muscular guy, some like an older guy, some like a younger guy, some like a nice guy, some like an a--hole guy...

Guys like pretty girls and usually big boobs...It's the moral ones that blink a couple of times and realize, it's not JUST about good looks and big boobs and look for other qualities.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Rubystars on July 16, 2008, 10:43:11 PM
If you want a woman's perspective I find men of certain nationalities to be the most attractive physically because of the way they look, with light hair and eyes and defined features.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 16, 2008, 10:43:30 PM
Nearly 98% of Women are Feminists.
I do not think so. The vast majority of Americans aren't nearly intellectual or philosophical or mental enough to be anything.

They are just brainwashed sheep who are slaves to conformity.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 10:51:04 PM
Nearly 98% of Women are Feminists.
I do not think so. The vast majority of Americans aren't nearly intellectual or philosophical or mental enough to be anything.

They are just brainwashed sheep who are slaves to conformity.

98% is a bit of an exaggeration, I admit.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 10:53:47 PM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.

That's right, women don't like good-looking, big-muscled men.  Because those type of men are typically vain about their appearance, also the woman might feel jealous because she's not the good-looking one of the couple.

Good-looks are a very small part of what attracts a Woman to a potential mate.

and you are a woman to know this?  Oh wait, the girls are all over you and therefore you know this for a fact...

I get plenty of attention from Women.  I never used to, however.

What changed?  My confidence.

Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 10:55:10 PM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.

That's right, women don't like good-looking, big-muscled men.  Because those type of men are typically vain about their appearance, also the woman might feel jealous because she's not the good-looking one of the couple.

Good-looks are a very small part of what attracts a Woman to a potential mate.

Different girls like different things...Some like a rich guy, some like a pretty guy, some like a muscular guy, some like an older guy, some like a younger guy, some like a nice guy, some like an a--hole guy...

I'm saying that Women are less interested in 'looks' than men are.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: muslimslayer0075995 on July 16, 2008, 11:05:25 PM
i believe that feminazis have ruined the way people look at masculinity, i mean it has become a joke, in a way those liberal [censored], are ruining society they have decided there put up with being second class citizens and there making there men there [censored]  :(
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 16, 2008, 11:09:41 PM
i believe that feminazis have ruined the way people look at masculinity, i mean it has become a joke, in a way those liberal [censored], are ruining society they have decided there put up with being second class citizens and there making there men there [censored]  :(

Its true.  If only our Women were Ladies.  The men could become Men with a capital 'M'.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: muslimslayer0075995 on July 16, 2008, 11:16:47 PM
 :::D its true i wish we could, personaly i wish we could spelll men like MEN but those days are long gone unless u visit iran, in which case u will die from the way they smell or as a jew they will hang u, w.e stay away from there all together lol
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 17, 2008, 12:31:26 AM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.

That's right, women don't like good-looking, big-muscled men.  Because those type of men are typically vain about their appearance, also the woman might feel jealous because she's not the good-looking one of the couple.

Good-looks are a very small part of what attracts a Woman to a potential mate.

Different girls like different things...Some like a rich guy, some like a pretty guy, some like a muscular guy, some like an older guy, some like a younger guy, some like a nice guy, some like an a--hole guy...

I'm saying that Women are less interested in 'looks' than men are.

let's just say it's not the looks...the way women look at men is different than the way men look at women.  Men dont' really notice the detail right way..they are thinking of sex one way or another. Women, on the other hand, are looking at a 1000 different things at once and not just looks and what package he might be carrying.  I don't understand how women think since Im' not a woman myself and even if one tried to explain it to me, I would never really understand it like she would.

But i disagree with how you are broadly putting it.  Women are interested in looks, but it's not the same way men are interested in looks..and there is more than just looks..it's a bunch of things we men are too dumb to understand.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 12:38:36 AM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.

That's right, women don't like good-looking, big-muscled men.  Because those type of men are typically vain about their appearance, also the woman might feel jealous because she's not the good-looking one of the couple.

Good-looks are a very small part of what attracts a Woman to a potential mate.

Different girls like different things...Some like a rich guy, some like a pretty guy, some like a muscular guy, some like an older guy, some like a younger guy, some like a nice guy, some like an a--hole guy...

I'm saying that Women are less interested in 'looks' than men are.

let's just say it's not the looks...the way women look at men is different than the way men look at women.  Men dont' really notice the detail right way..they are thinking of sex one way or another. Women, on the other hand, are looking at a 1000 different things at once and not just looks and what package he might be carrying.  I don't understand how women think since Im' not a woman myself and even if one tried to explain it to me, I would never really understand it like she would.

But i disagree with how you are broadly putting it.  Women are interested in looks, but it's not the same way men are interested in looks..and there is more than just looks..it's a bunch of things we men are too dumb to understand.

I now have conclusive proof that you are a full-fledged graduate of the modern public schol system.

You make me want to vomit.

In your eyes, Women are G-ds and men are silly, primitive beings.

The fact of the matter is that Men are objective, Women sit and pontificate about every little thing.

And don't call yourself 'Doctor'.  You're not an MD, you cannot perscribe medication.

I have a Doctorate in Music, you don't see mee calling myself 'Dr. Scriabin'.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: briann on July 17, 2008, 12:41:37 AM
This is why you can frequently see slovenly men with beautiful women.
It's called money, Scriabin.

And I guarantee you that these skanks married to fat, ugly 65-year old millionaires are getting action on the side from males considerably younger and more virile.

Money, yes.

Also, confidence, grooming, body language, etc.

A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.



Yes. Confidence  and body language DOES matter. 
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 12:43:07 AM
This is why you can frequently see slovenly men with beautiful women.
It's called money, Scriabin.

And I guarantee you that these skanks married to fat, ugly 65-year old millionaires are getting action on the side from males considerably younger and more virile.

Money, yes.

Also, confidence, grooming, body language, etc.

A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.



Yes. Confidence  and body language DOES matter. 


Amen.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 17, 2008, 12:53:00 AM
A fat, bald, average-looking middle aged man who is confidant and well-groomed can get plenty of Women.
If he has cash flow.

Nonsence.

Men have the false notion that Women are interested in good looks and big muscles.

I get a kick out of men who build thier muscles in hopes of attracting Women.  (They're much more likely to attract homosexual men.)

I urge you, study body language.  You can learn to appear confidant even when you're not. 

Also, dress well. This is much more important than good looks and big muscles.

And work on your confidance, it can only improve.

That's right, women don't like good-looking, big-muscled men.  Because those type of men are typically vain about their appearance, also the woman might feel jealous because she's not the good-looking one of the couple.

Good-looks are a very small part of what attracts a Woman to a potential mate.

Different girls like different things...Some like a rich guy, some like a pretty guy, some like a muscular guy, some like an older guy, some like a younger guy, some like a nice guy, some like an a--hole guy...

I'm saying that Women are less interested in 'looks' than men are.

let's just say it's not the looks...the way women look at men is different than the way men look at women.  Men dont' really notice the detail right way..they are thinking of sex one way or another. Women, on the other hand, are looking at a 1000 different things at once and not just looks and what package he might be carrying.  I don't understand how women think since Im' not a woman myself and even if one tried to explain it to me, I would never really understand it like she would.

But i disagree with how you are broadly putting it.  Women are interested in looks, but it's not the same way men are interested in looks..and there is more than just looks..it's a bunch of things we men are too dumb to understand.

I now have conclusive proof that you are a full-fledged graduate of the modern public schol system.

You make me want to vomit.

In your eyes, Women are G-ds and men are silly, primitive beings.

The fact of the matter is that Men are objective, Women sit and pontificate about every little thing.

And don't call yourself 'Doctor'.  You're not an MD, you cannot perscribe medication.

I have a Doctorate in Music, you don't see mee calling myself 'Dr. Scriabin'.

oh scriabin, look who's being naive now...

Let's start with point one: me being a victim of the public school system...Scriabin scriabin scriabin...I have dated a lot, I have no sisters, my closest friends growing up were girls, and a bunch more stuff that i prefer not to mention publically here.  I am no expert on women.  However, I do know one thing: they are different than men, I can't live without them (nor can any normal man), women are something special and sweet inside and outside (yes some are terrible too), men are also important and valuable...women can't live without them either (but some men are terrible as well).  

here's the thing Scriabin, WE, men, DO think with our little tiny brains that are hanging (for some of us) in the middle of our body.  When we see a woman, most of us think in a split second about what she looks like naked, havign sex wtih her, marrying her, and divorcing her.  It's a fact.  Even the most moral of us men, we do that.  It's what drives us.  Women are a little different..what that difference is, I'm not sure..i just know they aren't like us men when it comes down to noticing the opposite sex.

On yoru second point defaming me that I'm not really a doctor and cannot prescribe medicine...I'm the type of doctor that happens to prescribe medicine on a daily basis.  I'm the kind of doctor that does surgery in the mouth with blood and stitches. So...just beware...you trying to hurt my feelings by defaming me will only go backwards in your face to anyone who comes across these posts.  Be careful of what you say and how you say things to me...you will end up the fool with his head between his legs womanless and lonely for the rest of your life bitter at the opposite sex for not loving you because you think men "should be MEN".  

So cut the ego, have an intelligent conversation with me and learn something for your own good for a change!
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:02:40 AM

oh scriabin, look who's being naive now...

Let's start with point one: me being a victim of the public school system...Scriabin scriabin scriabin...I have dated a lot, I have no sisters, my closest friends growing up were girls, and a bunch more stuff that i prefer not to mention publically here.  I am no expert on women.  However, I do know one thing: they are different than men, I can't live without them (nor can any normal man), women are something special and sweet inside and outside (yes some are terrible too), men are also important and valuable...women can't live without them either (but some men are terrible as well).  

here's the thing Scriabin, WE, men, DO think with our little tiny brains that are hanging (for some of us) in the middle of our body.  When we see a woman, most of us think in a split second about what she looks like naked, havign sex wtih her, marrying her, and divorcing her.  It's a fact.  Even the most moral of us men, we do that.  It's what drives us.  Women are a little different..what that difference is, I'm not sure..i just know they aren't like us men when it comes down to noticing the opposite sex.

On yoru second point defaming me that I'm not really a doctor and cannot prescribe medicine...I'm the type of doctor that happens to prescribe medicine on a daily basis.  I'm the kind of doctor that does surgery in the mouth with blood and stitches. So...just beware...you trying to hurt my feelings by defaming me will only go backwards in your face to anyone who comes across these posts.  Be careful of what you say and how you say things to me...you will end up the fool with his head between his legs womanless and lonely for the rest of your life bitter at the opposite sex for not loving you because you think men "should be MEN".  

So cut the ego, have an intelligent conversation with me and learn something for your own good for a change!

1)  My mistake, you can prescribe something, but you're not an MD, your not a Doctor.  Call yourself 'Dan the Dentist'.

2)  I am not concerned with things going "backwards in (my) face".
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 17, 2008, 01:09:27 AM

oh scriabin, look who's being naive now...

Let's start with point one: me being a victim of the public school system...Scriabin scriabin scriabin...I have dated a lot, I have no sisters, my closest friends growing up were girls, and a bunch more stuff that i prefer not to mention publically here.  I am no expert on women.  However, I do know one thing: they are different than men, I can't live without them (nor can any normal man), women are something special and sweet inside and outside (yes some are terrible too), men are also important and valuable...women can't live without them either (but some men are terrible as well).  

here's the thing Scriabin, WE, men, DO think with our little tiny brains that are hanging (for some of us) in the middle of our body.  When we see a woman, most of us think in a split second about what she looks like naked, havign sex wtih her, marrying her, and divorcing her.  It's a fact.  Even the most moral of us men, we do that.  It's what drives us.  Women are a little different..what that difference is, I'm not sure..i just know they aren't like us men when it comes down to noticing the opposite sex.

On yoru second point defaming me that I'm not really a doctor and cannot prescribe medicine...I'm the type of doctor that happens to prescribe medicine on a daily basis.  I'm the kind of doctor that does surgery in the mouth with blood and stitches. So...just beware...you trying to hurt my feelings by defaming me will only go backwards in your face to anyone who comes across these posts.  Be careful of what you say and how you say things to me...you will end up the fool with his head between his legs womanless and lonely for the rest of your life bitter at the opposite sex for not loving you because you think men "should be MEN".  

So cut the ego, have an intelligent conversation with me and learn something for your own good for a change!

1)  My mistake, you can prescribe something, but you're not an MD, your not a Doctor.  Call yourself 'Dan the Dentist'.

2)  I am not concerned with things going "backwards in (my) face".


ummm...I went through the same education and even a little more grueling work than a regular MD.  Not sure what country you come from, but Dentists and Dental Surgeons are Doctors just like any other.  We are specialists of the mouth...and if that isn't really a doctor to you..then neurologists who only specialize in teh brain are not really doctors either...pure insanity if you ask me and anyone else.

Scriabin...ego is a terrible thing...look where the former members of JTF have gone due to ego...I predict the same for you in the future unless you swallow your pride and maintain respect.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:12:34 AM
Scriabin...ego is a terrible thing...look where the former members of JTF have gone due to ego...I predict the same for you in the future unless you swallow your pride and maintain respect.

1) Don't mistake ego for Intelligence.

2) I couldn't care less about your threats, dentist.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:13:34 AM
Scriabin, you are mistaken. Women do go for looks--believe me. I am very familiar with what women are looking for. The first thing a woman looks for, appearance-wise, is height. If you look like Cary Grant but are 5'4", believe me, you won't get as much as a hug. Next, women do want a guy who is basically in good shape. I will grant that you are correct that few women make having a musclebound hulk a priority, but I can promise you that nobody will look at a 400-pound lard donkey if he doesn't have a ton of money.

And yes--older women do check out younger men, all the time. Go to a hockey game sometime and see all the fifty-sixtysomething boomers ogling the players during practice. (And I doubt they are doing so because these athletes are rich.)

Finally--the importance of this is exaggerated, but there is a significant portion of women--maybe 20 or 30%--for whom size does matter. Lots of female check out crotches in the same way that men are attracted to the chest. You can't deny that many females do this. It may not be talked about as much as boobs are, but it's very real, and the notion that a particular guy might be blessed downstairs certainly does not harm his chances romantically. Surely everybody has heard of the black-men cult that exists among women because of a persistent stereotype about African-origin males.

The idea that women only want confidence and poise is a sheer stereotype. Confidence and poise will not help a 500-pound, 80-year old bald dude unless he is positively loaded. Men want confidence too, by the way. Nothing kills commitment desires in single men like a weak, spineless girl who is constantly clingy and has no self-respect.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:15:26 AM
1) Don't mistake ego for Intelligence.

2) I couldn't care less about your threats, dentist.
The only ego I see right now is yours.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on July 17, 2008, 01:15:39 AM
C.F.  

Once again, you betray your complete and total lack of knowledge about human nature.

At least you're consistent.

Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:17:16 AM
Scriabin, you are mistaken. Women do go for looks--believe me. I am very familiar with what women are looking for. The first thing a woman looks for, appearance-wise, is height. If you look like Cary Grant but are 5'4", believe me, you won't get as much as a hug. Next, women do want a guy who is basically in good shape. I will grant that you are correct that few women make having a musclebound hulk a priority, but I can promise you that nobody will look at a 400-pound lard donkey if he doesn't have a ton of money.

And yes--older women do check out younger men, all the time. Go to a hockey game sometime and see all the fifty-sixtysomething boomers ogling the players during practice. (And I doubt they are doing so because these athletes are rich.)

Finally--the importance of this is exaggerated, but there is a significant portion of women--maybe 20 or 30%--for whom size does matter. Lots of female check out crotches in the same way that men are attracted to the chest. You can't deny that many females do this. It may not be talked about as much as boobs are, but it's very real, and the notion that a particular guy might be blessed downstairs certainly does not harm his chances romantically. Surely everybody has heard of the black-men cult that exists among women because of a persistent stereotype about African-origin males.

The idea that women only want confidence and poise is a sheer stereotype. Confidence and poise will not help a 500-pound, 80-year old bald dude unless he is positively loaded. Men want confidence too, by the way. Nothing kills commitment desires in single men like a weak, spineless girl who is constantly clingy and has no self-respect.

 :::D

I wasn't talking about extremes or abberations!
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: MassuhDGoodName on July 17, 2008, 01:17:56 AM
C.F,

Perhaps you know exactly what women desire so much in men, because you look at men as would a woman.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:19:13 AM
1) Don't mistake ego for Intelligence.

2) I couldn't care less about your threats, dentist.
The only ego I see right now is yours.

Where did you come from, taking sides all of a sudden?  Please, answer the question.

I know that you will NEVER meet with me in 1,000,000 years, but at least answer the question.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 17, 2008, 01:20:59 AM
Scriabin...ego is a terrible thing...look where the former members of JTF have gone due to ego...I predict the same for you in the future unless you swallow your pride and maintain respect.

1) Don't mistake ego for Intelligence.

2) I couldn't care less about your threats, dentist.

I maintain where I stand...it's all ego and other things that i prefer not to post because it might humilate a fellow JTFer, such as yourself.

And these aren't threats..they're warnings for your sake to be a part of this movement and forum, as well as in real life; Don't want a decent person like you to be a bachelor for the rest of his life, if you get my jist.

Now if all of these posts are to mock me and for entertainment purposes, that's fine...hahah the joke is on me for taking you so seriously..April Fools in teh middle of July.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Bruicy Kibbutz on July 17, 2008, 01:22:21 AM
All i see in this thread is boobies and arguing on hezbollah week / month, baruch hashem.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:22:46 AM
here's the thing Scriabin, WE, men, DO think with our little tiny brains that are hanging (for some of us) in the middle of our body.  When we see a woman, most of us think in a split second about what she looks like naked, havign sex wtih her, marrying her, and divorcing her.  It's a fact.  Even the most moral of us men, we do that.  It's what drives us.  Women are a little different..what that difference is, I'm not sure..i just know they aren't like us men when it comes down to noticing the opposite sex.

On yoru second point defaming me that I'm not really a doctor and cannot prescribe medicine...I'm the type of doctor that happens to prescribe medicine on a daily basis.  I'm the kind of doctor that does surgery in the mouth with blood and stitches. So...just beware...you trying to hurt my feelings by defaming me will only go backwards in your face to anyone who comes across these posts.  Be careful of what you say and how you say things to me...you will end up the fool with his head between his legs womanless and lonely for the rest of your life bitter at the opposite sex for not loving you because you think men "should be MEN".  

So cut the ego, have an intelligent conversation with me and learn something for your own good for a change!
Dr. Dan, I am more or less in your camp in this debate, but the idea that women do not have a raging libido and do not countenance sex with attractive men that they see is completely spurious. Just like men often think with their "unit", women often think with their c******s. As disgusting and amoral as that television and movie dreck Sex in the City is, it is a pretty accurate commentary of how women think. (Note--I acknowledge that the vast majority of women are not able to put their slutastic fantasies into action the way Carrie Bradshaw is.)

If a woman does not feel any kind of sexual hots for a guy, but trusts and respects him, she will immediately make him into a brother or best-friend figure with whom she will feel comfortable sharing her true feelings in this area to him about (other) guys. It's pretty easy for men to amass quite a bit of knowledge regarding the fairer sex this way. Admittedly, I have received this treatment, at times, but I'm not ashamed of it. Hopefully it has made me more well-rounded for the dating world.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:26:11 AM
Scriabin...ego is a terrible thing...look where the former members of JTF have gone due to ego...I predict the same for you in the future unless you swallow your pride and maintain respect.

1) Don't mistake ego for Intelligence.

2) I couldn't care less about your threats, dentist.

I maintain where I stand...it's all ego and other things that i prefer not to post because it might humilate a fellow JTFer, such as yourself.

And these aren't threats..they're warnings for your sake to be a part of this movement and forum, as well as in real life; Don't want a decent person like you to be a bachelor for the rest of his life, if you get my jist.

Now if all of these posts are to mock me and for entertainment purposes, that's fine...hahah the joke is on me for taking you so seriously..April Fools in teh middle of July.

Oh.  How can you be so cruel!

I'm weeping.  Look what you've done, Doctor.  You're supposed to heal the sick, not fight people!

Shame on you!
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: AsheDina on July 17, 2008, 01:27:11 AM
Enzyte?

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:2bqIxpJMbdKv4M:http://www.destructoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/enzyte.jpg)

That hideous commercial is a good example of the ubiquitous portrayal of men as dumb boobs in Western media.

Showing men in a negative light is one of the favorite pastimes of the Feminist Movement.

  Bob the Builder makes men out to be IDIOTS!!!!! I HATE THE FEM MOVEMENT and ALL REAL WOMEN SHOULD RENOUNCE THIS SATANIC MOVEMENT! It is SICK. How does it feel to be a WOMAN, and KNOW that 2 female butch dykes are the REASON that this movement started?  Women were better barefoot and pregnant- NOW YOU KNOW HOW I REALLY FEEL! To hell with ALL OF IT. I am SICK of it.   DOWN with the feminist movement! <VOMIT> <PUKE> <BARFFFF> I just want to be a WOMAN. ANDDDDDDDDDD I want to PLEASE the man that I LOVE. ALSOOOOOOO: I wish they NEVER gave women a right to vote.  THAT was RIDICULOUS.

How do ya like me now..... ^-^
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:27:23 AM
Dan did not start the flaming in this thread.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:28:07 AM
All i see in this thread is boobies and arguing on hezbollah week / month, baruch hashem.

I know that you're an Aussie.

Still, do you think that you could at least try making some sense?
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 17, 2008, 01:28:11 AM
Scriabin, you are mistaken. Women do go for looks--believe me. I am very familiar with what women are looking for. The first thing a woman looks for, appearance-wise, is height. If you look like Cary Grant but are 5'4", believe me, you won't get as much as a hug. Next, women do want a guy who is basically in good shape. I will grant that you are correct that few women make having a musclebound hulk a priority, but I can promise you that nobody will look at a 400-pound lard donkey if he doesn't have a ton of money.

And yes--older women do check out younger men, all the time. Go to a hockey game sometime and see all the fifty-sixtysomething boomers ogling the players during practice. (And I doubt they are doing so because these athletes are rich.)

Finally--the importance of this is exaggerated, but there is a significant portion of women--maybe 20 or 30%--for whom size does matter. Lots of female check out crotches in the same way that men are attracted to the chest. You can't deny that many females do this. It may not be talked about as much as boobs are, but it's very real, and the notion that a particular guy might be blessed downstairs certainly does not harm his chances romantically. Surely everybody has heard of the black-men cult that exists among women because of a persistent stereotype about African-origin males.

The idea that women only want confidence and poise is a sheer stereotype. Confidence and poise will not help a 500-pound, 80-year old bald dude unless he is positively loaded. Men want confidence too, by the way. Nothing kills commitment desires in single men like a weak, spineless girl who is constantly clingy and has no self-respect.

you have some good points, CF.  I will add one thing that i'm sure is true.  Women who are ready to get married or to date seriously who are virtuous and will be great wives and mothers one day are looking for men who are compassionate, sensitive, not players, and will make good husbands and fathers. The best women love guys who, although confident, comes from a good family with good parents who answer to someone above them and dont' walk around saying, "It's my life, I'll do whatever I want and I won't listen to my parents." and go all egotistical like that.  To add, the nicest and best Jewish girl LOVES a guy who wears Tfillin in the morning...(so for all you gentiles...sorry, no can do ;)....)

is this a result of the public school? possibly...but I think I have to give 99% of the credit to my parents for raising me this way.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:28:50 AM
I know that you're an Aussie.

Still, do you think that you could at least try making some sense?
LOL.  :::D Seriously, though, where are the Hezbollah mentions in this thread?
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:33:32 AM
Dan, you and Scriabin are both not getting it all right here.

Women are not vastly different from men in what they look for (at least when it comes down to finding a marital partner). Both men and women want a spouse that they are attracted to, first and foremost. Yes, for women attraction has to do with stature and stateliness and not merely body parts, but the same is true for most men too, because, as I said before, no men want a clingy worm of a woman with no self-respect and self-worth. Nor do very many men want to marry "easy" women.

Both men and women do hope for, and generally try to get, a mate who they think will be good in bed. Anybody who really would try to argue otherwise is in a grave state of denial.

It's that simple.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:36:32 AM
Dan, you and Scriabin are both not getting it all right here.

Women are not vastly different from men in what they look for (at least when it comes down to finding a marital partner). Both men and women want a spouse that they are attracted to, first and foremost. Yes, for women attraction has to do with stature and stateliness and not merely body parts, but the same is true for most men too, because, as I said before, no men want a clingy worm of a woman with no self-respect and self-worth. Nor do very many men want to marry "easy" women.

Both men and women do hope for, and generally try to get, a mate who they think will be good in bed. Anybody who really would try to argue otherwise is in a grave state of denial.

It's that simple.
Nonsence.

As far as sexual partners are concerned, Women want a man who provides 'security'.

Guys want a chick that's hot.

Its that simple.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Rubystars on July 17, 2008, 01:36:38 AM
While I don't think that masculinity should be discouraged or punished, I also believe it has to be tempered somewhat for a man to be appealing. Men who listen, instead of thinking they know it all and don't have to listen to women, men show some level of empathy, rather than being emotionless hulks, and men who take care of their appearance rather than simply being slobs, are much more attractive.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 17, 2008, 01:37:02 AM
here's the thing Scriabin, WE, men, DO think with our little tiny brains that are hanging (for some of us) in the middle of our body.  When we see a woman, most of us think in a split second about what she looks like naked, havign sex wtih her, marrying her, and divorcing her.  It's a fact.  Even the most moral of us men, we do that.  It's what drives us.  Women are a little different..what that difference is, I'm not sure..i just know they aren't like us men when it comes down to noticing the opposite sex.

On yoru second point defaming me that I'm not really a doctor and cannot prescribe medicine...I'm the type of doctor that happens to prescribe medicine on a daily basis.  I'm the kind of doctor that does surgery in the mouth with blood and stitches. So...just beware...you trying to hurt my feelings by defaming me will only go backwards in your face to anyone who comes across these posts.  Be careful of what you say and how you say things to me...you will end up the fool with his head between his legs womanless and lonely for the rest of your life bitter at the opposite sex for not loving you because you think men "should be MEN".  

So cut the ego, have an intelligent conversation with me and learn something for your own good for a change!
Dr. Dan, I am more or less in your camp in this debate, but the idea that women do not have a raging libido and do not countenance sex with attractive men that they see is completely spurious. Just like men often think with their "unit", women often think with their c******s. As disgusting and amoral as that television and movie dreck Sex in the City is, it is a pretty accurate commentary of how women think. (Note--I acknowledge that the vast majority of women are not able to put their slutastic fantasies into action the way Carrie Bradshaw is.)

If a woman does not feel any kind of sexual hots for a guy, but trusts and respects him, she will immediately make him into a brother or best-friend figure with whom she will feel comfortable sharing her true feelings in this area to him about (other) guys. It's pretty easy for men to amass quite a bit of knowledge regarding the fairer sex this way. Admittedly, I have received this treatment, at times, but I'm not ashamed of it. Hopefully it has made me more well-rounded for the dating world.

I agree with you.  Women do have a sex drive that might even be stronger than most men. However women tend to be less vocal about it, at least from my observation.  Some women enjoy making chumps out of men by teasing them or using them for sex.  Except we live in evil times...it wasn't like that in yesteryear.  While women did have thoughts almost like men did way back when, they were proper and classy about it...Sex in the City would have been Taboo back then.  Now beastiality is taboo and might not be for long, Gd forbid.

Anywho, there are good girls out there..just fewer than there used to be.  And there are a lot of immature women (as well as men) out there..but you have to learn how to point them out.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Rubystars on July 17, 2008, 01:40:02 AM
I wish they NEVER gave women a right to vote.  THAT was RIDICULOUS.

How do ya like me now..... ^-^

You might as well stop talkng about Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama, because obviously you don't think your own opinion should matter. You think over half the nation should have no direct political voice. I can't disagree with you more. What kind of democracy disenfranchises the majority of it's population?
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:41:27 AM
It is not wrong for women to be open and honest about their sex drives. In fact, that is probably one of the few good things coming out of sexual liberation. The Victorian double-standard that it is unladylike to acknowledge having a libido needed to go desperately.

Acknowledging a strong libido is not bad. What is sin is acting on it, either in deed or even just thought.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:43:05 AM
I wish they NEVER gave women a right to vote.  THAT was RIDICULOUS.

How do ya like me now..... ^-^

You might as well stop talkng about Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama, because obviously you don't think your own opinion should matter. You think over half the nation should have no direct political voice. I can't disagree with you more. What kind of democracy disenfranchises the majority of it's population?

Paulette is correct.

In the old days, a Man's vote meant something and you know what?  His wife had tremendous influence on the vote.

Now, everyone can vote and it means nothing.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 17, 2008, 01:44:18 AM
Scriabin...ego is a terrible thing...look where the former members of JTF have gone due to ego...I predict the same for you in the future unless you swallow your pride and maintain respect.

1) Don't mistake ego for Intelligence.

2) I couldn't care less about your threats, dentist.

I maintain where I stand...it's all ego and other things that i prefer not to post because it might humilate a fellow JTFer, such as yourself.

And these aren't threats..they're warnings for your sake to be a part of this movement and forum, as well as in real life; Don't want a decent person like you to be a bachelor for the rest of his life, if you get my jist.

Now if all of these posts are to mock me and for entertainment purposes, that's fine...hahah the joke is on me for taking you so seriously..April Fools in teh middle of July.

Oh.  How can you be so cruel!

I'm weeping.  Look what you've done, Doctor.  You're supposed to heal the sick, not fight people!

Shame on you!

Scriabin...I dont' know what to say anymore...we'll let the mods decide when they see this.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:45:35 AM
As much as I hate to say this, I would agree that womens' suffrage has not, by and large, turned out to be a good thing.

Women (because of the phony, parodied version of "femininity" that they are raised to live up to, NOT because they were born that way) are much more easily swayed by all sorts of wild leftist claims.

Ask any black criminal on trial whether he would prefer to have white men or white women on the jury.

It's a mental illness.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Rubystars on July 17, 2008, 01:48:18 AM
The problem is the liberals trying to drive a wedge between men and women, not women having rights and freedoms. You try to take away my vote now and we're going to have serious problems.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:50:15 AM
Ruby, just because you are an exception does not mean that the rule is not true. Most women in America and the West are more left-wing than men in almost all areas.

This is like saying that America was right not to ship the freed slaves all back to Africa in the 1860s because a small number of blacks reject their culture and turn out to be noble people.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:52:50 AM
Scriabin...ego is a terrible thing...look where the former members of JTF have gone due to ego...I predict the same for you in the future unless you swallow your pride and maintain respect.

1) Don't mistake ego for Intelligence.

2) I couldn't care less about your threats, dentist.

I maintain where I stand...it's all ego and other things that i prefer not to post because it might humilate a fellow JTFer, such as yourself.

And these aren't threats..they're warnings for your sake to be a part of this movement and forum, as well as in real life; Don't want a decent person like you to be a bachelor for the rest of his life, if you get my jist.

Now if all of these posts are to mock me and for entertainment purposes, that's fine...hahah the joke is on me for taking you so seriously..April Fools in teh middle of July.

Oh.  How can you be so cruel!

I'm weeping.  Look what you've done, Doctor.  You're supposed to heal the sick, not fight people!

Shame on you!

Scriabin...I dont' know what to say anymore...we'll let the mods decide when they see this.

You never knew what to say in the first place.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 01:54:40 AM

You never knew what to say in the first place.
Scriabin, your flaming Dan is getting absurd. This is preposterous.

Neither of you know everything about women. Part of being real men is getting up and getting on with life just because others don't accept everything you say to the T.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Rubystars on July 17, 2008, 01:56:22 AM
Ruby, just because you are an exception does not mean that the rule is not true. Most women in America and the West are more left-wing than men in almost all areas.

This is like saying that America was right not to ship the freed slaves all back to Africa in the 1860s because a small number of blacks reject their culture and turn out to be noble people.

Ending slavery was correct. What happened after that was what was wrong. In the same way, giving ALL citizens the right to vote (when before the majority of citizens had no political rights) was correct. The evil psuedo-feminism that drove a wedge between men and women and pushed women to the left promising that this would give them more rights is what was evil.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: AsheDina on July 17, 2008, 01:56:29 AM
I wish they NEVER gave women a right to vote.  THAT was RIDICULOUS.

How do ya like me now..... ^-^

You might as well stop talkng about Barack Hussein Mohammed Obama, because obviously you don't think your own opinion should matter. You think over half the nation should have no direct political voice. I can't disagree with you more. What kind of democracy disenfranchises the majority of it's population?

Paulette is correct.

In the old days, a Man's vote meant something and you know what?  His wife had tremendous influence on the vote.

Now, everyone can vote and it means nothing.

  I was FORCED into this 'womans' world, I grew up to be a little lady.  NOTHING could have EVER prepared me for THIS.
  Rubystars- the ONLY REASON that I do what I DO, IS BECAUSE men now CANT. So, it is CLEAR- they NEED ME, I fight for THEM, NOT for this evil babylonian filthy SHE BEAST movement that has made men into NOTHING. I WEEP FOR MEN, all the time.  For women?  NOTHING- ZERO - ZILCH- NADA- NIX- NINE.   And REALLY- what woman in the right frame of mind would EVER want a PANSY, but.. THAT is EXACTLY what this movement has created.

BTW- WHO said a woman is interested in how 'good' a man 'looks' -David is hardly a candidate for Mr America- it is his MASCULINITY, brilliance, heart, kindness, strength, honor, forthrightness- that has ME enraptured. I HAVE NEVER liked ANY man just b/d he was 'good-looking' THAT is silliness.  
I really dont care- I am NOT popular with ANY women, EVER at all.  
Thats ok, b/c I have tons of male admirers that adore me, b/c I EMBOLDEN THEM.
Face it AMERICAN WOMAN- you have had your day, I HOPE ITS OVER very soon.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:57:11 AM
The problem is the liberals trying to drive a wedge between men and women, not women having rights and freedoms. You try to take away my vote now and we're going to have serious problems.

Don't worry, your vote is secure.  Until this nation collapses, your 'vote' will be secure.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Scriabin on July 17, 2008, 01:59:52 AM

You never knew what to say in the first place.
Scriabin, your flaming Dan is getting absurd. This is preposterous.

Neither of you know everything about women. Part of being real men is getting up and getting on with life just because others don't accept everything you say to the T.

He's the one talking about mods making decisions.

That is much more threatening and intimidating than my little words.

If you cannot understand that, then there's something in you that lacks a sensitivity.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Dr. Dan on July 17, 2008, 02:05:07 AM

You never knew what to say in the first place.
Scriabin, your flaming Dan is getting absurd. This is preposterous.

Neither of you know everything about women. Part of being real men is getting up and getting on with life just because others don't accept everything you say to the T.

He's the one talking about mods making decisions.

That is much more threatening and intimidating than my little words.

If you cannot understand that, then there's something in you that lacks a sensitivity.


I'm not threatening you, just warning you..and stating a fact that mods have been PMing me all night based on your insensitivity and flames on me...I didn't go tattling on youeither...mods are noticing how you are attempting to put me down with your "little words"...So just a heads up Scriabin. I dont' want you to go...I just want you to think for a second how wrong you are with what you are doing wtih me and fighting me the way you are fighting me. Go sleep on it.

peace out!
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on July 17, 2008, 02:06:58 AM
He's the one talking about mods making decisions.

That is much more threatening and intimidating than my little words.

If you cannot understand that, then there's something in you that lacks a sensitivity.
Give us a break. You started with the insults--not Dan.
Title: Re: The only issue
Post by: Shlomo on July 17, 2008, 02:08:19 AM
Feminism is the only issue.

Feminism is an ideology of the left but it's not the only issue. We need to fight to keep obama out of the presidency. I think feminism isn't going to amount to squat if we or Israel got nuked.

No woman ever made me act like an emasculated man. I act right no matter what other men or women say. That's what being a real man is all about. It's really you no matter what others say or do. That's what the Torah tells us to do.

And most women aren't feminists. Just these left wing nut-jobs. Sure they are evil... so are the left-wing but job men. The media is left-wing and biased. That's nothing new.

I really don't want a bunch of threads bashing women on the forum. How can that be good in any way, shape, or form? There are PLENTY of good women out there and that's why it's important to find one who loves Hashem and the Torah and whom you share a common life goal.

What is up with all the fighting and craziness lately? The kids on the Hebrew forum came and checked out the English forum the other day and went back telling Chaim they couldn't believe how we fight like this and how it shocked them. They don't act like this and they were only 14-17 years old. Is that what you want? It's so embarrassing.

If someone posts something hostile to me, do you think I start up multiple threads calling them names or start insulting their mother or lash out in curses? People would think I was a joke and no one would take me seriously. Let's have some dignity. Sometimes being "right" isn't as important as working together to start a mass movement so we can change this planet for the better. This honor/shame crap is for muslims. Let's get some priorities.

-Shlomo