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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: horselady on July 17, 2008, 03:57:11 PM
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This woman's antisemitism has just started to come out. She claims it is unfair that Jews cannot be criticized because
you can be charged with anti-semitism. I never realized she felt this way because she used to attack just liberal Jews
as I have, but now she is attacking all Jews in general. She even said Jews killed in the Holocaust are just a small
minority of all those killed in WWII but Jews get to make the whole world feel guilty about it even up to today.
Anyway this is her latest post and I'd like your advice on how to respond.
"I was pointing out the double standards where Israel is allowed to retain it's idenity, but the rest of the west is not.
And I would like to know if reading the Talmud and discussing the contents is anti semitic as well? Please address this question.
CHAPTER I - CHRISTIANS MUST BE AVOIDED
Jews are required to avoid all contact with Christians for four reasons: (1) Because they are not worthy to share in the Jewish way of life; (2) Because they are unclean; (3) Because they are idolators; (4) Because they are murderers.
Article I. —Christians Must Be Avoided—Because They Are Unworthy to Share Jewish Customs
A Jew, by the fact that he belongs to the chosen people and is circumcized, possesses so great a dignity that no one, not even an angel, can share equality with him.(1) In fact, he is considered almost the equal of God. "He who strikes an Israelite" says Rabbi Chanina "acts as if he slaps the face of God's Divine Majesty."(2) A Jew is always considered good, in spite of certain sins which he may commit; nor can his sins contaminate him, any more
than dirt contaminates the kernel in a nut, but only soils its shell.(3) A Jew alone is looked upon as a man; the whole world is his and all things should serve him, especially "animals which have the form of men."(4)
(1) cf. Chullin, 91b
(2) cf. Sanhedrin, 58b
(3) cf. Chagigah, 15b
(4) "Thus on the Sabbath day Jews celebrate with wine, meats, fish and all the delicacies made for men; for them it is a full holiday; they abstain from all kinds of work and will not lift a finger to do anything that has the appearance of labor or that involves work of any kind. Thus if there is need to light a fire in winter, to light or blow out a candle, to cook or heat food, or to milk cows, they employ poor Christians to do such work. Hence they glory in the fact that they are masters and Christians are their servants who must minister to them while they rest at their ease. Christian rulers should see to it that this should be stopped and that others should not minister to Jews in this way on their Sabbath and other festivals. And it must be admitted that we, to the detriment of our Christian liberty, aid them too much in upholding their superstition to avoid all kinds of work on the Sabbath." Buxtorf in Synag. Jud. p. 382.
Thus it is plain that they regard all contact with Christians as contaminating and as detracting from their dignity. They are therefore required to keep as far away as possible from all who live and act as Christians do.(5)
(5) "They are diligently warned not to have any contact with Christians, not to play with their children, nor to eat or drink with them, nor to have anything to do with them socially. And parents tell their children the conversation of Christians is so horrible and vicious that they conceive an implacable hatred of Christians from their very cradle." Ibedem, ch. VII, p. 136.
1. A JEW MUST NOT SALUTE A CHRISTIAN
In Gittin (62a) it says:
"A Jew must not enter the home of a Nokhri on a feast day to offer him greetings. However, if he meets him on the street, he may offer him a greeting, but curtly and with head bowed."
2. A JEW MUST NOT RETURN THE GREETINGS OF A CHRISTIAN
In Iore Dea (148,10) it says:
"A Jew must not return the greeting of a Christian by bowing before him. It is good, therefore, to salute him first and so avoid having to answer him back if the Akum salutes him first."(6)
(6) Urbanity is therefore not the reason why Jews appear so amiable in bowing down so humbly before Christians.
Rabbi Kohana says that when a Jew salutes a Christian he should say "Peace to my Lord," but intend this for his own Rabbi. For the Tosephoth says: "For his heart was turned towards his own Rabbi."
3. A JEW MUST NOT GO BEFORE A CHRISTIAN JUDGE
In Choschen Hammischpat (26,1) it says:
"A Jew is not permitted to bring his case before Akum judges, even if the matter is judged by the decisions of Jewish law, and even if both parties agree to abide by such decisions. He who does so is impious and similar to one who calumniates and blasphemes, and who raises his hand against the Law given us by Moses, our great law-giver. Hagah says 'The Bethin has the power to excommunicate such a one until he release his Jewish brother from the hands of the Gentile.' "
4. A CHRISTIAN CANNOT BE USED AS A WITNESS
In Choschen Ham. (34,19) it says:
"A Goi or a servant is not capable of acting as a witness."
5. A JEW CANNOT EAT CHRISTIAN FOOD
In Iore Dea (112,1) it says:
"The Elders forbade the eating of the bread of the Akum, lest we would seem to be familiar with them."
And in Abhodah Zarah (35b) it says:
"The following things belonging to the Goim are forbidden: Milk which a Goi takes from a cow, in the absence of a Jew;(7) also their bread, etc."
(7) "For fear he would mix the milk of swine or of some other unclean animal with it"—Surenhusius Mischnah Ab. Zar. p.6.
6. A JEW MUST NEVER ACT IN ANY WAY LIKE A CHRISTIAN
In Iore Dea (178,1) it says:
"It is not permitted to imitate the customs of the Akum, nor to act like them. Nor is it permitted to wear clothes like the Akum, nor to comb the hair as they do...neither must Jews build houses that look like temples of the Akum."
Since, however, it is not possible to observe all these rules in every place, the Hagah says that they can be overlooked to a certain extent when, for instance, it is to the advantage of a Jew to do so; for example, if a Jew would profit by a trade which requires a certain kind of dress.
In Abhodah Zarah (22a) it says:
"A Jew must not associate himself with gentiles because they are given to the shedding of blood."
Likewise in Iore Dea (153,2):
"An Israelite must not associate himself with the Akum [Christians] because they are given to the shedding of blood."
In the Abhodah Zarah (25b) it says:
"The Rabbis taught: If a Goi joins an Israelite on the road, he [the Jew] should walk on his right side.(44) Rabbi Ismael, the son of Rabbi Jochanan the nephew of Beruka, says: if he carries a sword, let the Jew walk on his right side.(45) If the Goi carries a stick, the Jew should walk on his left side.(46) If he is climbing a hill or descending a steep incline, the Jew must not go in front with the Goi behind, but the Jew must go behind and the Goi in front, nor must he stoop down in front of him for fear the Goi might crack his skull. And if he should ask the Jew how far he is going, he should pretend he is going a long way, as Jacob our Father said to the impious Esau: Until I come to my Lord in Seir (Gen. XXXIII, 14-17), but it adds: Jacob set out for Sukoth."
(44) So that if the Gentile should raise his hand to strike him, the Jew can more quickly ward off the blow with his right hand.
(45) So that the Jew's right hand be nearer to the Gentile's sword, and if he tries to draw it, the Jew can obstruct his right hand.
(46) So that the Jew be nearer to the Gentile's right hand which holds the stick, and so may be able to grasp it quickly with his left hand.
In Orach Chaiim (20,2) it says:
"Do not sell your overcoat (Talith) with the fringes to an Akum, lest he should join up with a Jew on the road and kill him. It is also forbidden to exchange or lend your overcoat with a Gentile, except for a short time and when there is nothing to be feared from him."
FORNICATORS
In the Abhodah Zarah (15b) it says:
"Animals of the masculine sex must not be left in the barns of the Gentiles with their men, nor animals of the feminine sex with their women; much less must animals of the feminine sex be left with their men and of the masculine sex with their women. Nor must sheep be left to the care of their shepherds; nor must any intercourse be had with them; nor must children be given into their care to learn to read or to learn a trade."
In the same tract a little farther on (22a) it is explained why animals must not be allowed in the barns of Gentiles, and why Jews are not permitted to have sexual intercourse with them:
"Animals must not be allowed to go near the Goim, because they are suspected of having intercourse with them. Nor must women cohabit with them because they are over-sexed."
In fol. 22b of the same book the reason is given why animals especially of the feminine sex must be kept away from their women:
"...because when Gentile men come to their neighbors' houses to commit adultery with their wives and do not find them at home, they fornicate with the sheep in the barns instead. And sometimes even when their neighbors' wives are at home, they prefer to fornicate with the animals; for they love the sheep of the Israelites more than their own women."
It is for the same reason that animals are not to be entrusted to Goi shepherds, nor children to their educators.
UNCLEAN
The Talmud gives two reasons why the Goim are unclean: because they eat unclean things, and because they themselves have not been cleansed (from original sin) on Mount Sinai. In Schabbath, (145b) it says:
"Why are the Goim unclean? Because they eat abominable things and animals that crawl on their belly."
Likewise in Abhodah Zarah, 22b:
"Why are the Goim unclean? Because they were not present at Mount Sinai. For when the serpent entered into Eve he infused her with uncleanness. But the Jews were cleansed from this when they stood on Mount Sinai; the Goim, however, who were not on Mount Sinaim were not cleansed."
COMPARED TO DUNG
"When ten persons are praying together in one place and they say Kaddisch, or Kedoschah, anyone, even though he does not belong there, may respond Amen. There are some, however, who say that no dung or Akum must be present."
In Iore Dea (198, 48) Hagah, it says:
"When Jewish women come out of a bath they must take care to meet a friend first, and not something unclean or a Christian. For if so, a woman, if she wants to keep holy, should go back and bathe again."
It is worthy of note that the following list of unclean things is given in Biur Hetib, a commentary on the Schulchan Arukh:
"A woman must wash herself again if she sees any unclean thing, such as a dog, an ass, or People of the Earth; a Christian (Akum), a camel,(47) a pig, a horse, and a leper."
(47) In the Vilna ed. of 1873, camel is omitted, since there are no camels there; but People of the Earth, and Akum are included.
NOT LIKE MEN, BUT BEASTS
In Kerithuth (6b p. 78) it says:
"The teaching of the Rabbis is: He who pours oil over a Goi, and over dead bodies is freed from punishment. This is true for an animal because it is not a man.(48) But how can it be said that by pouring oil over a Goi one is freed from punishment, since a Goi is also a man? But this is not true, for it is written: Ye are my flock, the flock of my pasture are men (Ezechiel, XXXIV, 31). You are thus called men, but the Goim are not called men."
(48) The same holds for the dead body of any man.
In the Tract Makkoth (7b) he is said to be guilty of killing "except when, if intending to kill an animal he kills a man by mistake, or intending to kill a Goi, he kills an Israelite."
In Orach Chaiim (225,10) it says:
"He who sees beautiful creatures, even though it be an Akum or an animal, let him say 'Blessed art thou Our Lord God, King of the Universe, who has placed such things on the earth!' "
THEY DIFFER ONLY IN FORM FROM BEASTS
In Midrasch Talpioth (fol. 225d) it says:
"God created them in the form of men for the glory of Israel. But Akum were created for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved from this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form, and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him."
We can quote here also what is said in Orach Chaiim, 57, 6a:
"If pigs are to be pitied when they suffer from disease, because their intestines are similar to ours, how much more should the Akum be pitied when thus affected."(49)
(49) In Taanith (21b) it says: "How much more the Nokhrim since they are similar to Israelites."
ANIMALS
In Zohar, II, (64b) it says:
"...People who worship idols, and who are called cow and ass, as it is written: I have a cow and an ass..."
Rabbi Bechai, in his book Kad Hakkemach, ch. I, beginning with the word Geulah—redemption—referring to Psalm 80, v. 13: The boar out of the wood doth waste it, says:
"The letter ain is dropped [suspended] the same as these worshippers are followers of him who was suspended."
Buxtorf (Lex.) says:
"By wild pig the author here means the Christians who eat pork and, like pigs, have destroyed the vineyard of Israel, the City of Jerusalem, and who believe in the 'suspended' Christ. Else the letter ain is dropped in this word because they, as worshippers of Christ who was hanged, are also dropped."
Rabbi Edels, in commenting on Kethuboth (110b) says:
"The Psalmist compares the Akum to the unclean beast in the woods."
WORSE THAN ANIMALS
Rabbi Schelomo Iarchi (Raschi), famous Jewish commentator, explaining the law of Moses (Deuter. XIV, 21) forbidding the eating of meat of wounded animals, but which must be given to the 'stranger in thy gates,' or which, according to Exodus (XXII, 30) is to be thrown to the dogs, has this to say:
"...for he is like a dog. Are we to take to word 'dog' here literally? By no means. For the text in speaking of dead bodies says, Or thou mayest sell it to an alien. This applies much more to the meat of wounded animals, for which it is permitted to accept payment. Why therefore does the Scripture say it may be thrown to 'dogs?' In order to teach you that a dog is to be more respected than the Nokhri."
THEY PROPAGATE LIKE BEASTS
In the Sanhedrin (74b) Tosephoth, it says:
"The sexual intercourse of a Goi is like to that of a beast."
And in Kethuboth (3b) it says:
"The seed of a Goi is worth the same as that of a beast."
Hence it is to be inferred that Christian marriage is not true marriage.
In Kidduschim (68a), it says:
"...How do we know this? Rabbi Huna says: You can read: Remain here with the ass, that is, with a people like an ass. Hence it appears that they are not capable of contracting marriage."
And in Eben Haezer (44, 8):
"If a Jew enters into marriage with an Akum (Christian), or with his servant, the marriage is null. For they are not capable of entering into matrimony. Likewise if an Akum or a servant enter into matrimony with a Jew, the marriage is null."
In Zohar (II, 64b) it says:
"Rabbi Abba says: If only idolaters alone had sexual intercourse, the world would not continue to exist. Hence we are taught that a Jew should not give way to those infamous robbers. For if these propagate in greater numbers, it will be impossible for us to continue to exist because of them. For they give birth to sucklings the same as dogs."
CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
In Zohar (I, 28b) we read:
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field, etc. (Genes. III, 1.) 'More subtle' that is towards evil; 'than all beasts' that is, the idolatrous people of the earth. For they are the children of the ancient serpent which seduced Eve."(50)
(50) This ancient serpent, the parent of Christians, that is, the devil in the form of a serpent, is called, Sammael (cf. Targum Iobi, XXVIII, 7). Rabbi Maimonides writes in More (Bk. II, ch. 30) that Sammael took the form of a serpent and seduced Eve. He is also called the 'Angel of Death,' and 'the Head of the assembly of evil ones.' Debbarim Rabba (208c) calls him "Sammael the impious one, "the prince of all devils." Rabbi Bechai (in Mikkets) calls him "The Impious Sammael, the Prince of Rome."
The best argument used by the Jews to prove that Christians are of the race of the devil is the fact that they are uncircumcized. The foreskin on non-Jews prevents them from being called the children of the Most High God. For by circumcision the name of God—Schaddai—is completed in the flesh of a circumcized Jew. The form of the letter Isch is in his nostrils, the letter Daleth in his (bent) arm, and ain appears in his sexual organ by circumcision. In non-circumcized gentiles, therefore, such as Christians, there are only two letters, Isch and Daleth, which make the word Sched, which means devil. They are, therefore, children of the Sched, the devil.(51)
(51) cf. Sanhedrin Jud. p. 88
THE SOULS OF CHRISTIANS ARE EVIL AND UNCLEAN
The teaching of the Jews is that God created two natures, one good and the other evil, or one nature with two sides, one clean and the other unclean. From the unclean side, called Keliphah—rind, or scabby crust—the souls of Christians are said to have come.
In Zohar (I, 131a) it says:
"Idolatrous people, however, since they exist, befoul the world, because their souls come out of the unclean side."
And in Emek Hammelech (23d) it says:
"The souls of the impious come from Keliphah, which is death and the shadows of death."
Zohar (I, 46b, 47a) goes on to show that this unclean side is the left side, from which the souls of Christians come:
"And he created every living thing, that is, the Israelites, because they are the children of the Most High God, and their holy souls come out from Him. But where do the souls of the idolatrous gentiles come from? Rabbi Eliezer says: from the left side, which makes their souls unclean. They are therefore all unclean and they pollute all who come in contact with them."
AFTER DEATH THEY GO DOWN TO HELL
The Elders teach that Abraham sits at the gate of Gehenna and prevents any circumcized person from entering there; but that all the uncircumcized go down to hell.
In Rosch Haschanach (17a) it says:
"Heretics and Epicureans and Traitors go down into hell."
THE FATE OF DEAD CHRISTIANS
The bodies of Christians after death are called by the odious name of Pegarim, which is the word used in Holy Scripture for the dead bodies of the damned and of animals, but never for the pious dead who are called Metim. Thus the Schulchan Arukh orders that a dead Christian must be spoken of in the same way as a dead animal.
In Iore Dea (377,1) it says:
"Condolences must not be offered to anyone on account of the death of his servants or handmaidens. All that may be said is 'May God restore your lost one, the same as we say to a man who has lost a cow or an ass.' "
Nor must Christians be avoided for seven days after they have buried someone, as the law of Moses commands, since they are not men; for the burial of an animal does not pollute one.
In Iebhammoth (61a) it says:
"The Nokhrim are not rendered unclean by a burial. For it is said: Ye are my sheep, the sheep of my pasture; ye are men. You are thus called men, but not the Nokhrim."
And now I am done. I don't need to beat people over the head over and over and over and over again."
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The women that posted that copied and pasted it from anti Jewish sites.I once went through a similar post and proved it false half the quotes don't exist the other half are partial quotes i'm too tired to look them up now.
I think the poster LUBAB CAN HELP YOU
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1.+A+JEW+MUST+NOT+SALUTE+A+CHRISTIAN&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
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Obviously some Anti Semite dirt
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Well I can understand part of it. On my first trip to Israel, I was there less than a day and I already started to dislike those gentiles. :::D
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The women that posted that copied and pasted it from anti Jewish sites.I once went through a similar post and proved it false half the quotes don't exist the other half are partial quotes i'm too tired to look them up now.
I think the poster LUBAB CAN HELP YOU
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1.+A+JEW+MUST+NOT+SALUTE+A+CHRISTIAN&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
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OK, thanks.
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The women that posted that copied and pasted it from anti Jewish sites.I once went through a similar post and proved it false half the quotes don't exist the other half are partial quotes i'm too tired to look them up now.
I think the poster LUBAB CAN HELP YOU
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1.+A+JEW+MUST+NOT+SALUTE+A+CHRISTIAN&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
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OK, thanks.
And it's from 1892 ??? ;D http://theunjustmedia.com/Jewish%20Zionists/The%20Talmud%20Judaism's%20holiest%20book%20Unmasked.htm
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The women that posted that copied and pasted it from anti Jewish sites.I once went through a similar post and proved it false half the quotes don't exist the other half are partial quotes i'm too tired to look them up now.
I think the poster LUBAB CAN HELP YOU
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1.+A+JEW+MUST+NOT+SALUTE+A+CHRISTIAN&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
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OK, thanks.
And it's from 1892 ??? ;D http://theunjustmedia.com/Jewish%20Zionists/The%20Talmud%20Judaism's%20holiest%20book%20Unmasked.htm
That's funny. I'll have to add that to my post to her too.
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The women that posted that copied and pasted it from anti Jewish sites.I once went through a similar post and proved it false half the quotes don't exist the other half are partial quotes i'm too tired to look them up now.
I think the poster LUBAB CAN HELP YOU
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1.+A+JEW+MUST+NOT+SALUTE+A+CHRISTIAN&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
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OK, thanks.
And it's from 1892 ??? ;D http://theunjustmedia.com/Jewish%20Zionists/The%20Talmud%20Judaism's%20holiest%20book%20Unmasked.htm
That's funny. I'll have to add that to my post to her too.
You know Horselady, I have one helluva Jew hater on my email thread, she is INTOLERABLE. I could NOT take ANYMORE of her GARBAGE, and sent her pictures of punches in the FACE to her, and told her, I would punch her over and over again.
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Oh, also Horselady- what she has presented to you, is meant to KEEP YOU DOWN, and STAY THERE. Righteous people on the Avenue of the Righteous, in Israel are ALL Gentiles (I believe). She has done this to SHUT YOU UP, trust me, I KNOW the way this type person operates. Dont shut up- get on the OFFENSE. DO NOT REPLY. Turn this AROUND. Explain NOTHING.
Tell her FLAT OUT:
#1. just say- oh 'pretty good read.'
#2. Ask her: So, who the HELL was the Jew that hurt YOU- PERSONALLY.
I bet MONEY that it has NOT happened, making her 'point' INVALID.
And ask her if she is an "Undercover humanitarian for ALL people, that have NEVER been affected by Jews." I would point put that she is a bleeding heart for people who have never been affected by Jews, making her movement RIDICULOUS. NOBODY likes a WHINER.
To tell ya the truth Horselady- I tell these JERKS FLAT OUT: Well...I think you are Jealous, we Jews are just a little BETTER than you"
that REALLY makes them mad- you dont have to- but the madder they become, the more UN FOCUSED they are. I am an "IN YA FACE fighter." Horselady, I LIVE FOR THE FIGHT ^-^
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The women that posted that copied and pasted it from anti Jewish sites.I once went through a similar post and proved it false half the quotes don't exist the other half are partial quotes i'm too tired to look them up now.
I think the poster LUBAB CAN HELP YOU
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1.+A+JEW+MUST+NOT+SALUTE+A+CHRISTIAN&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
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OK, thanks.
And it's from 1892 ??? ;D http://theunjustmedia.com/Jewish%20Zionists/The%20Talmud%20Judaism's%20holiest%20book%20Unmasked.htm
That's funny. I'll have to add that to my post to her too.
You know Horselady, I have one helluva Jew hater on my email thread, she is INTOLERABLE. I could NOT take ANYMORE of her GARBAGE, and sent her pictures of punches in the FACE to her, and told her, I would punch her over and over again.
That's good. I am a moderator on the board in question and so is this woman. I have asked her to cease and desist but she continues
to post BS about Jews. The board is basically an anti-Islam board and there really are so many more important things to talk about.
I never saw this side of her in 2 years but another poster started with the Jew-bashing and suddenly she jumped on-board and now
is doing it herself.
Here are 2 threads where we are going at it. Her name is Classic Woman and I am horselady.
I don't think you need to register to read.
http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=14149
http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=14140
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Well, it's been my experience that those who are hell bent on being anti-Semites will be anti-Semites no matter what information they are exposed to. You could, if you want to spend the time, research and refute all of these accusations, but it won't do a bit of good. Anti-semitism is more powerful than logic. Tell her where to go and be done with it.
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First of all that women is pretty dumb 1. The nazis did'nt kill the homos because they were homos ,many members of S.S. as well pre SS the S.A. were Homos themselfs, check out the pink swastika.2 the women talks about the rape of nanking true that was horrible ,but today China is a very large country which doesn't have to fight every day for it's Survival and is not on front lines of Jihad.That site is about Jihad isn't it.3 nazism was a great ally to moslems during ww2 just google hitler and islam you'll find pictures of mufti with all the highest nazis.4 she talks of the brutal treatment of Russian POW's at the hands of the Nazis,she forgets the slaughter of German conscripts of Von Paulus's army i'm sure many were far from nazis how many returned from stalins camps maybe 5%
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BRIANN TO THE RESCUE!!!!!!!! (conspiracy debunker extraordinare!!) :)
THIS IS ALL LIES AND CONSPIRACY CRAP.
This is from:
The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians (1892)
IT is from a violent anti-Semite from Czarist Russia that has been discredited named Rev. I.B. Pranaitis. (May his soul burn in hell)
This psycho has a very severe criminal record... and is basically a nutcase.
In 1892, with the support of his Archbishop, he published an anti-Semitic tract in Latin called "Christianus in Talmude Iudaeorum" or as it became known in English, "The Talmud Unmasked, The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians" where he claimed to know secret teachings of rabbis that no one else did.
Pranaitis is revered by anti-Semites as a "Talmud Scholar"... .and he supposedly could speak Hibrew and could decipher SECRET talmud teachings (Yes... I now.. most of the Talmud isnt in Hebrew anyway)
He is heralded by Muslims ( http://www. radioislam.org / talmud / talmudi.htm )
and StørmFrønt
In 1912 Pranaitis was called as a prosecution witness to testify to the allegedly horrible things said about Christians in the Talmud. His credibility, however, was quickly destroyed by the defence who asked him a few basic questions which anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the Talmud would be expected to know:
Q: What is the meaning of the word Hullin?
A: I don't know.
("Hullin" means "ordinary produce" in Hebrew as opposed to "sanctified produce".)
Q: What is the meaning of the word Erubin?
A: I don't know.
("Erubin" means "domains which have been set up to allow Jews to carry outside their homes on the Sabbath".)
all the perverse and ridiculous lies that Pronaitis had postulated were completely refuted by decisive testimony given by the well-known and universally respected Rabbi of Moscow, Rabbi Mazeh. He delivered a long, detailed speech quoting passages from the Torah, the Talmud and many other books to conclusively reveal both the absurdity and the stupidity inherent in the testimony of such "experts" as Pronaitis
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The name Pronaitis i know he is Russian although the name sounds Greek
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Way to go Briann!
Horslelady, you can also tell that woman that if she wants to copy and paste nonsensical screeds, she should bug off and get her own blog.
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The women that posted that copied and pasted it from anti Jewish sites.I once went through a similar post and proved it false half the quotes don't exist the other half are partial quotes i'm too tired to look them up now.
I think the poster LUBAB CAN HELP YOU
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1.+A+JEW+MUST+NOT+SALUTE+A+CHRISTIAN&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
SHE FOUND THEM ABOVE
OK, thanks.
And it's from 1892 ??? ;D http://theunjustmedia.com/Jewish%20Zionists/The%20Talmud%20Judaism's%20holiest%20book%20Unmasked.htm
That's funny. I'll have to add that to my post to her too.
You know Horselady, I have one helluva Jew hater on my email thread, she is INTOLERABLE. I could NOT take ANYMORE of her GARBAGE, and sent her pictures of punches in the FACE to her, and told her, I would punch her over and over again.
That's good. I am a moderator on the board in question and so is this woman. I have asked her to cease and desist but she continues
to post BS about Jews. The board is basically an anti-Islam board and there really are so many more important things to talk about.
I never saw this side of her in 2 years but another poster started with the Jew-bashing and suddenly she jumped on-board and now
is doing it herself.
Here are 2 threads where we are going at it. Her name is Classic Woman and I am horselady.
I don't think you need to register to read.
http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=14149
http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=14140
Horselady- I am registering. She is NOT "anti-islam" She IS Anti Jew- and really- FOR NO REASON. I SEE what she is doing- and she WILL turn this WHOLE forum around with hatred against Jews. I am serious too. All of these people that HATE Jews they side WITH MUSLIMS. PERIOD. They are LIARS. She IS A liar. No Jew has hurt her- she is F.O.S. I am going to call her bluff.
Horselady:
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BRIANN TO THE RESCUE!!!!!!!! (conspiracy debunker extraordinare!!) :)
THIS IS ALL LIES AND CONSPIRACY CRAP.
This is from:
The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians (1892)
IT is from a violent anti-Semite from Czarist Russia that has been discredited named Rev. I.B. Pranaitis. (May his soul burn in hell)
This psycho has a very severe criminal record... and is basically a nutcase.
In 1892, with the support of his Archbishop, he published an anti-Semitic tract in Latin called "Christianus in Talmude Iudaeorum" or as it became known in English, "The Talmud Unmasked, The Secret Rabbinical Teachings Concerning Christians" where he claimed to know secret teachings of rabbis that no one else did.
Pranaitis is revered by anti-Semites as a "Talmud Scholar"... .and he supposedly could speak Hibrew and could decipher SECRET talmud teachings (Yes... I now.. most of the Talmud isnt in Hebrew anyway)
He is heralded by Muslims ( http://www. radioislam.org / talmud / talmudi.htm )
and StørmFrønt
In 1912 Pranaitis was called as a prosecution witness to testify to the allegedly horrible things said about Christians in the Talmud. His credibility, however, was quickly destroyed by the defence who asked him a few basic questions which anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the Talmud would be expected to know:
Q: What is the meaning of the word Hullin?
A: I don't know.
("Hullin" means "ordinary produce" in Hebrew as opposed to "sanctified produce".)
Q: What is the meaning of the word Erubin?
A: I don't know.
("Erubin" means "domains which have been set up to allow Jews to carry outside their homes on the Sabbath".)
all the perverse and ridiculous lies that Pronaitis had postulated were completely refuted by decisive testimony given by the well-known and universally respected Rabbi of Moscow, Rabbi Mazeh. He delivered a long, detailed speech quoting passages from the Torah, the Talmud and many other books to conclusively reveal both the absurdity and the stupidity inherent in the testimony of such "experts" as Pronaitis
Thanks Briann, I will post that too.
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Way to go Briann!
Horslelady, you can also tell that woman that if she wants to copy and paste nonsensical screeds, she should bug off and get her own blog.
It's amazing, there was not even a hint of this for 2 years. She was one of my favorite posters there. I guess you never
really know people on the internet.
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The women that posted that copied and pasted it from anti Jewish sites.I once went through a similar post and proved it false half the quotes don't exist the other half are partial quotes i'm too tired to look them up now.
I think the poster LUBAB CAN HELP YOU
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1.+A+JEW+MUST+NOT+SALUTE+A+CHRISTIAN&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
SHE FOUND THEM ABOVE
OK, thanks.
And it's from 1892 ??? ;D http://theunjustmedia.com/Jewish%20Zionists/The%20Talmud%20Judaism's%20holiest%20book%20Unmasked.htm
That's funny. I'll have to add that to my post to her too.
You know Horselady, I have one helluva Jew hater on my email thread, she is INTOLERABLE. I could NOT take ANYMORE of her GARBAGE, and sent her pictures of punches in the FACE to her, and told her, I would punch her over and over again.
That's good. I am a moderator on the board in question and so is this woman. I have asked her to cease and desist but she continues
to post BS about Jews. The board is basically an anti-Islam board and there really are so many more important things to talk about.
I never saw this side of her in 2 years but another poster started with the Jew-bashing and suddenly she jumped on-board and now
is doing it herself.
Here are 2 threads where we are going at it. Her name is Classic Woman and I am horselady.
I don't think you need to register to read.
http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=14149
http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=14140
Horselady- I am registering. She is NOT "anti-islam" She IS Anti Jew- and really- FOR NO REASON. I SEE what she is doing- and she WILL turn this WHOLE forum around with hatred against Jews. I am serious too. All of these people that HATE Jews they side WITH MUSLIMS. PERIOD. They are LIARS. She IS A liar. No Jew has hurt her- she is F.O.S. I am going to call her bluff.
Horselady:
The error returned was:
Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board
? What do I do? ^
Maybe you have to register to read? They do get a lot of spammers so maybe that's why.
Do you think she will turn the board against Jews? The boards is about Islam, not Jews. Most of the people there
are against her but one of the Admin seems to be defending her. I'll leave if it gets too nasty. Personally,
I prefer to post on boards where they do not know that much about Islam so I can educate them. JihadChat
is like preaching to the choir, although this anti-Jew thing came out of left field.
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The women that posted that copied and pasted it from anti Jewish sites.I once went through a similar post and proved it false half the quotes don't exist the other half are partial quotes i'm too tired to look them up now.
I think the poster LUBAB CAN HELP YOU
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=1.+A+JEW+MUST+NOT+SALUTE+A+CHRISTIAN&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
SHE FOUND THEM ABOVE
OK, thanks.
And it's from 1892 ??? ;D http://theunjustmedia.com/Jewish%20Zionists/The%20Talmud%20Judaism's%20holiest%20book%20Unmasked.htm
That's funny. I'll have to add that to my post to her too.
You know Horselady, I have one helluva Jew hater on my email thread, she is INTOLERABLE. I could NOT take ANYMORE of her GARBAGE, and sent her pictures of punches in the FACE to her, and told her, I would punch her over and over again.
That's good. I am a moderator on the board in question and so is this woman. I have asked her to cease and desist but she continues
to post BS about Jews. The board is basically an anti-Islam board and there really are so many more important things to talk about.
I never saw this side of her in 2 years but another poster started with the Jew-bashing and suddenly she jumped on-board and now
is doing it herself.
Here are 2 threads where we are going at it. Her name is Classic Woman and I am horselady.
I don't think you need to register to read.
http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=14149
http://www.jihadchat.com/index.php?showtopic=14140
Horselady- I am registering. She is NOT "anti-islam" She IS Anti Jew- and really- FOR NO REASON. I SEE what she is doing- and she WILL turn this WHOLE forum around with hatred against Jews. I am serious too. All of these people that HATE Jews they side WITH MUSLIMS. PERIOD. They are LIARS. She IS A liar. No Jew has hurt her- she is F.O.S. I am going to call her bluff.
Horselady:
The error returned was:
Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board
? What do I do? ^
Maybe you have to register to read? They do get a lot of spammers so maybe that's why.
Do you think she will turn the board against Jews? The boards is about Islam, not Jews. Most of the people there
are against her but one of the Admin seems to be defending her. I'll leave if it gets too nasty. Personally,
I prefer to post on boards where they do not know that much about Islam so I can educate them. JihadChat
is like preaching to the choir, although this anti-Jew thing came out of left field.
Jihadchat is a great site... and for the most part... more zionist than 99% of other chatrooms. Its administrator, is a good friend... and he is an ardent supporter of Israel.
I will go there and put in my two cents!!! THIS JUST PISSES ME OFF!!!
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OK.. I put in my two cents on the thread. Take a look :)
By the way.. Classic Lady is a relative newcomer. (she is listed as member number 1,517)
(Im listed as member 92 :))
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HorseLady- ALL that it takes is ONE person....... that HATES, and has MURDEROUS thoughts- Hitler ring a bell? I am not being sarcastic, but I have singlehandedly WATCHED a WHOLE paltalk room turn against Jews in ONE week, with such deceit, it was SHOCKING. Yes, she CAN do this. UNLESS you beat her into submission- the people that absolutely directly deal with jihad on a DAILY bases- ARE JEWS. She does NOT know WTF she is doing, I suggest you get EXTREMELY VIGOROUS and Briann with you- I cant register no matter what I do. The ONLY people that effectively REALLY know HOW to fight jihad ARE JEWS. Period. To do what she is doing, is to cut off nose to spite face.
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OK.. I put in my two cents on the thread. Take a look :)
By the way.. Classic Lady is a relative newcomer. (she is listed as member number 1,517)
(Im listed as member 92 :))
Well, Go and HELP horselady- this is a WITCH. I am serious, I read her BS.
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OK.. I put in my two cents on the thread. Take a look :)
By the way.. Classic Lady is a relative newcomer. (she is listed as member number 1,517)
(Im listed as member 92 :))
Well, Go and HELP horselady- this is a WITCH. I am serious, I read her BS.
I am going to contact Jesse Padrilla... and get her removed.
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OK.. I put in my two cents on the thread. Take a look :)
By the way.. Classic Lady is a relative newcomer. (she is listed as member number 1,517)
(Im listed as member 92 :))
Well, Go and HELP horselady- this is a WITCH. I am serious, I read her BS.
I am going to contact Jesse Padrilla... and get her removed.
OMG! I had no idea you were the same Briann. LOL
Thanks for your post over there.
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OK.. I put in my two cents on the thread. Take a look :)
By the way.. Classic Lady is a relative newcomer. (she is listed as member number 1,517)
(Im listed as member 92 :))
Well, Go and HELP horselady- this is a WITCH. I am serious, I read her BS.
Thanks, Paulette.
(http://bestsmileys.com/kissing1/13.gif)
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OK.. I put in my two cents on the thread. Take a look :)
By the way.. Classic Lady is a relative newcomer. (she is listed as member number 1,517)
(Im listed as member 92 :))
Well, Go and HELP horselady- this is a WITCH. I am serious, I read her BS.
Thanks, Paulette.
(http://bestsmileys.com/kissing1/13.gif)
Why, Im a green m&m gal too. ;)
I will get a new AOL screen name manana- and I'll get her my PRETTY and her little book too. :P
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she doesn't speak aramaic, and no doubt doesn't know hebrew either.
and is not a talmud scholar.
the problem is that neither are you.. and neither am I. most are not.
So it's a good question, how to dela with it.
Here is some ammunition anyway
You could ask her to state 3 , her favourite 3. And then you try to find them. See those pages below.
Or, you could list some examples of how they are made up. And then ban her.. or whatever.
Here is the ammunition, whatever you want to do with it.
it's not a bad idea to send her to jewhaters.com , that was designed for anti-semites to go to!
http://talmud.faithweb.com/
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesus.html
more info
Click "defending the talmud"
http://www.jewhaters.com/
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html
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OK.. I put in my two cents on the thread. Take a look :)
By the way.. Classic Lady is a relative newcomer. (she is listed as member number 1,517)
(Im listed as member 92 :))
Well, Go and HELP horselady- this is a WITCH. I am serious, I read her BS.
I am going to contact Jesse Padrilla... and get her removed.
DAMMIT!!! I MISS OUT ON ALL THE FUN!!!! I cant stand BORING. >:(
Yeah- go get JESSE!!!
(whoever the hell that is lol) ;D
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OK.. I put in my two cents on the thread. Take a look :)
By the way.. Classic Lady is a relative newcomer. (she is listed as member number 1,517)
(Im listed as member 92 :))
Well, Go and HELP horselady- this is a WITCH. I am serious, I read her BS.
Thanks, Paulette.
(http://bestsmileys.com/kissing1/13.gif)
Why, Im a green m&m gal too. ;)
I will get a new AOL screen name manana- and I'll get her my PRETTY and her little book too. :P
Good! She has a few people defending her there. Thank G-d for the ammunition you guys gave me here to
throw at her. Not that she intends to read it. But what Briann gave me deflated her interpretation of
the Talmud, even without her reading the links.
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she doesn't speak aramaic, and no doubt doesn't know hebrew either.
and is not a talmud scholar.
the problem is that neither are you.. and neither am I. most are not.
So it's a good question, how to dela with it.
Here is some ammunition anyway
You could ask her to state 3 , her favourite 3. And then you try to find them. See those pages below.
Or, you could list some examples of how they are made up. And then ban her.. or whatever.
Here is the ammunition, whatever you want to do with it.
it's not a bad idea to send her to jewhaters.com , that was designed for anti-semites to go to!
http://talmud.faithweb.com/
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesus.html
more info
Click "defending the talmud"
http://www.jewhaters.com/
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/exp.html
Thanks, qq, I will save that.
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You know- its NOT the Jews that the fight is with- it is 'jihad' the name of their site, she was lying in WAIT, to turn it on the Jews- WHAT A FOOL! Who the hell does she think has been fighting them off? JEWS HAVE. In Israel- decade after decade- what an IDIOTTTTTTTTTTT.
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horselady,
There simply is no response to a traditional Jew-Hater who distributes such propaganda.
Nothing factual or documentable that you could put forth as a refutation will be accepted by such people, because their actual religion and faith is Eternal Hatred for the Jew.
And like all True Believers, all facts and/or evidence to the contrary will be scoffed at, and only serve to "prove" to such sick people that "Jews" somehow got to you and have you duped.
I strongly suggest sparing yourself hurt and frustration by ignoring and forgetting those who worship Adolph Hitler.
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massuh, it's not about convincing the individual.
it's about an individual posting to a forum. People on the forum might think it is true.
it's very easy for people to think that a 2000 year old book with rabbinical opinions, has all these anti-gentile things in it. And some will believe it or be suspicious and wonder.
So that ammunition, if used, is not to so much to convince the individual. But perhaps, if used, for others to know so they don't fool for it
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You know- its NOT the Jews that the fight is with- it is 'jihad' the name of their site, she was lying in WAIT, to turn it on the Jews- WHAT A FOOL! Who the hell does she think has been fighting them off? JEWS HAVE. In Israel- decade after decade- what an IDIOTTTTTTTTTTT.
And she won't let it go. Now she is saying the Jews don't recognize all the other groups of people who suffered under the Nazis.
Even when Briann called her out about her Talmud lies, she said she would have to study about Talmud on her own.
That would be good except for the sources she gravitates to. >:(
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horselady,
There simply is no response to a traditional Jew-Hater who distributes such propaganda.
Nothing factual or documentable that you could put forth as a refutation will be accepted by such people, because their actual religion and faith is Eternal Hatred for the Jew.
And like all True Believers, all facts and/or evidence to the contrary will be scoffed at, and only serve to "prove" to such sick people that "Jews" somehow got to you and have you duped.
I strongly suggest sparing yourself hurt and frustration by ignoring and forgetting those who worship Adolph Hitler.
It's a small board over there and it's hard to ignore anyone. I have asked her to drop the anti-Jew talk and stick to the
important issues but she doesn't seem to want to. I won't back down and I won't ignore her. Every time she starts this
crap I will go after her....and risk getting banned myself. But that's OK, it wouldn't be the first time.
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horselady,
There simply is no response to a traditional Jew-Hater who distributes such propaganda.
Nothing factual or documentable that you could put forth as a refutation will be accepted by such people, because their actual religion and faith is Eternal Hatred for the Jew.
And like all True Believers, all facts and/or evidence to the contrary will be scoffed at, and only serve to "prove" to such sick people that "Jews" somehow got to you and have you duped.
I strongly suggest sparing yourself hurt and frustration by ignoring and forgetting those who worship Adolph Hitler.
It's a small board over there and it's hard to ignore anyone. I have asked her to drop the anti-Jew talk and stick to the
important issues but she doesn't seem to want to. I won't back down and I won't ignore her. Every time she starts this
crap I will go after her....and risk getting banned myself. But that's OK, it wouldn't be the first time.
Hahaha. She's saying something like... she'll have to research the facts herself. She just wants to be fair about her analysis.
If she does not apologize (Which she probably wont)... I am going to make sure she is banned. Jesse owes me some favors anyway. :)
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You know- its NOT the Jews that the fight is with- it is 'jihad' the name of their site, she was lying in WAIT, to turn it on the Jews- WHAT A FOOL! Who the hell does she think has been fighting them off? JEWS HAVE. In Israel- decade after decade- what an IDIOTTTTTTTTTTT.
And she won't let it go. Now she is saying the Jews don't recognize all the other groups of people who suffered under the Nazis.
Even when Briann called her out about her Talmud lies, she said she would have to study about Talmud on her own.
That would be good except for the sources she gravitates to. >:(
well.. this argument can be addressed/refuted very nicely.
jews tend to focus on jewish deaths for a very simple reason. Not mere only caring about the family.
Around 50% or 60% of european jews were murdered by the nazis.
The impact on the jews was huge. Jews have big holes in their family tree.
People have grandparents or great grandparents with 10 brothers and sisters 8 of whome were murdered.
Other peoples murdered by the nazis do not stress the fact that they were murdered. Because they really were not hit at a % like that. The % made it so traumatic..
You can't expect jews to mention all the groups that died in the holocaust more than other groups do.
homosexuals, gypsies. They don't talk about being killed in the holocaust. for the simple reason of the % I mentioned.
so don't expect jews to
and btw.. and this story is not really for the anti-semite. But one of my friends at a jewish school, sat there in amusement as a girl discussed all the groups murdered by the nazis and forgot to mention jews. It was obviously particularly this kind of anti-semitism that gave her a sort of self hating description of the holocaust. She didn't even notice. But it really takes the mickey.
The % arguemnt I mentioned, I think answers her very nicely.
jews are one group that DO defend other groups..
for example. we have the ADL - anti defamation league, which aims to fight anti-semitism and ALL FORMS OF DISCRIMINATION. Now, we don't agree with the way they operate. But that's not the point.
and interestingly, one erason why these pluralistic organisations are set up, is because jews, unlike blacks or any other group, are always accused of only caring about their own.
the reality is that liberal jews in particular, care about everybody else other than their own..
while other groups like blacks and so on, only care about their own.
some orthodox jews also only care about their own, and that's fair. We live in a society where every other grou only care about their own, so don't just blame them!
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OK... Jesse had a chat with her.
I wont quote it... but he was VERY critical to her.
:)
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OK... Jesse had a chat with her.
I wont quote it... but he was VERY critical to her.
:)
Thanks, sweetie. ;)
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BTW the Nazis were not anti gay like classic dummy says
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id12.html
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Anti semitism at large.
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OK... Jesse had a chat with her.
I wont quote it... but he was VERY critical to her.
:)
Well she "resigned" from the board or so she said. And Jesse scolded me for being "abusive" and de-Moderatored me.
I don't care about that but I'm going to take a break from that board for the foreseeable future anyway, I think.
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OK... Jesse had a chat with her.
I wont quote it... but he was VERY critical to her.
:)
Well she "resigned" from the board or so she said. And Jesse scolded me for being "abusive" and de-Moderatored me.
I don't care about that but I'm going to take a break from that board for the foreseeable future anyway, I think.
What a SNEAK. She has NOT resigned. Her plan counter-offensive. Jesse is a male- he bought right into it. How very typical of the female of today (I hate to say) Women are emotional creatures... and nothing worse than the wrath of a woman scorned.. women do NOT just 'let things go'. She has a 'plan' and will come back to attack YOU. Actually she has been like this all along, just like a snake, lying in wait. She has YOU on the 'defense' now, I suggest you go on a STRONG offense and reveal how the muslims are reading mein kamph and how the whole neo-nazi movement is WITH islam. Many nazis even in this country are voting obama, just to see the destruction of the Jews- its the truth, they even side WITH palestinians.Well, you & Briann have a helluva fight ahead of you.
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OK... Jesse had a chat with her.
I wont quote it... but he was VERY critical to her.
:)
Well she "resigned" from the board or so she said. And Jesse scolded me for being "abusive" and de-Moderatored me.
I don't care about that but I'm going to take a break from that board for the foreseeable future anyway, I think.
What a SNEAK. She has NOT resigned. Her plan counter-offensive. Jesse is a male- he bought right into it. How very typical of the female of today (I hate to say) Women are emotional creatures... and nothing worse than the wrath of a woman scorned.. women do NOT just 'let things go'. She has a 'plan' and will come back to attack YOU. Actually she has been like this all along, just like a snake, lying in wait. She has YOU on the 'defense' now, I suggest you go on a STRONG offense and reveal how the muslims are reading mein kamph and how the whole neo-nazi movement is WITH islam. Many nazis even in this country are voting obama, just to see the destruction of the Jews- its the truth, they even side WITH palestinians.Well, you & Briann have a helluva fight ahead of you.
I know about the neo-Nazis. I am a member of one of their boards and even post there once in awhile. Yes, they know I am a Jew
and treat me like chit. Not that I post there much anymore but some of them did change their hate-filled rhetoric against me
a little bit, saying I wasn't like other Jews. I told them I was l very much like many other Jews but the extent of their hate is so deep,
they blame all the problems of the world on Jews. I have refuted many of their assertions but it does little good. They always have
something else to blame on the Jews.
As much as they hate blacks, they hate Jews even more and will vote for Obama just because of his stance on Israel.
The one time I left them speechless was when I said to them, "OK, so if Jews are so evil as you believe, why haven't you done
anything to stop them? After all, Jews in the US number only 5-6 million yet you Christians number a few hundred million.
They could not answer.
As for that Classic Woman poster on JihadChat, how do you know she hasn't resigned? Will she come back as herself or under
a new name, do you think? I wanted to quit too, but several others there talked me out of it. I'm very good at recognizing
retreads under new names, so I will keep a look out for her.
I was surprised to see that certain posters there stuck up for her though.
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I know about the neo-Nazis. I am a member of one of their boards and even post there once in awhile. Yes, they know I am a Jew
and treat me like chit. Not that I post there much anymore but some of them did change their hate-filled rhetoric against me
a little bit, saying I wasn't like other Jews. I told them I was l very much like many other Jews but the extent of their hate is so deep,
they blame all the problems of the world on Jews. I have refuted many of their assertions but it does little good. They always have
something else to blame on the Jews.
WOW. I cant beleive you would submit yourself to this kind of turture. I too have browsed at their hate... but never joined.
At any rate... Jesse HATES anti-semites. Trust me... I know him well. Therefore I trust he did and WILL DO the right thing here.
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Re: "BTW the Nazis were not anti gay like classic dummy says..."
Actually National Socialism was and is violently anti-homosexuality.
Many of the leadership and membership were in fact homosexuals, which did not in the slightest curb their enjoyment of brutalizing and murdering homosexuals in their own general population.
Don't confuse the individual's behavior as being identical to official ideology.
This same dichotomy exists today in the Republican Party's "Family Values"/anti-Gay Marriage platform, which gets people elected who end up arrested in airport mens' rooms soliciting oral sex from strangers.
Sad to say, but in the last eight years there have been every bit as many cases of perverted sexual scandals involving our elected Republican "Family Values" officials; enough to equal if not far surpass the documented sexual abberations of the Nazi inner circle.
Republican Vice President Dick Cheney even proudly and publicly displays his openly lesbian "First Dyke" daughter and her "ManShe" lover AT THE WHITE HOUSE, as they praise the birth of a baby to the lesbian couple conceived by test tubes in a laboratory run by perverts.
Yessirree!...Nothing like Republican Family Values Conservatives to save America and Israel!
It's just not possible to denounce the Dems as "just as bad", because they openly proclaim their love of perverted sex and act it out, campaigning on a platform of "Legalizing Homosexual Marriage and Homosexual Adoption".
It's the Republicans who are the liars and perverts who should be brought down and shamed for their rebuke of G-d's Laws and Blessings.
It is the GOP which deceived America and continues to do so, still shouting that "only they can restore morality and conservative values".
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I know about the neo-Nazis. I am a member of one of their boards and even post there once in awhile. Yes, they know I am a Jew
and treat me like chit. Not that I post there much anymore but some of them did change their hate-filled rhetoric against me
a little bit, saying I wasn't like other Jews. I told them I was l very much like many other Jews but the extent of their hate is so deep,
they blame all the problems of the world on Jews. I have refuted many of their assertions but it does little good. They always have
something else to blame on the Jews.
WOW. I cant beleive you would submit yourself to this kind of turture. I too have browsed at their hate... but never joined.
At any rate... Jesse HATES anti-semites. Trust me... I know him well. Therefore I trust he did and WILL DO the right thing here.
So far, so good, but time will tell if she comes back. And yes, that place (Original Dissent) is torture but I wanted to understand
the basis of such hatred. I never really could although I did read a lot of the articles from which they get their talking points.
Evidently there is a whole world of anti-semitic publications and writers out there. The board got seriously hacked a year ago and never came back like it used to be. You could have seen some of my knockdown, dragout battles with them but it's all gone now.
I do have a few posts there now but not too many. I go by the name Elke there.
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Well.. Like I say over and over again.
Anti-semitism is 99% B.S. conspiracy 1% fact
Anti-Islam (Islama-phobia) is 99% fact and 1% B.S. conspiracy
However... if someone has made up their mind about Jew hating/conspiracies theres no way to change them. But as righteous folks... we have an obligation to keep ignorant people from being drawn/enticed by their stupidity.
To me Classic Woman might already be a lost case. Its hard to tell cause she's sorta in the middle right now. She says she's 'researching' the subject. And this is where we cant combat her... because so much of the internet searches on Judaism will bring up garbage (Just like with 9/11) do a search for 9/11 facts... and half of the links will be rehashed conspiracy garbage.
Brian