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Israel => Save Israel => Topic started by: RepublicanStones on July 28, 2008, 05:59:47 PM
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Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on wether or not the palestinians should be given right of return from 1948 or should they be compensated?
Or can they expect none of the above?
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There is no such thing as 'right of return', I think that the neutral term should be 'claim of return'. We want the Arabs living in Israel now to leave, and we are willing to offer them money not as compensation but as an incentive to leave and surrender their citizenship and any claim the have to land in Israel.
The Arabs fled or emigrated in 1948 we offer nothing. They are evil people who dedicate their life to murder Jews and exterminate Israel. That is also true to the Arabs still living in Israel but we are practical so we offer to settle our dispute with them with financial benefits for them.
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Are you suggesting there was no plan Dalet and no ethnic cleansing of the palestinians? Also are you tarring all palestinians with the terrorist brush? I have read accounts from both sides, and still am unsure as to the truth.
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I don't know what plan dalet is. In 1948 several hundreds of thousands of Arabs exited Eretz Israel. Some of them were expelled by Israeli forces, other left voluntarily, heading to the panic and the calls of the Arab leaders who implored them to leave and return after all the Jews had been exterminated.
It is very unfortunate that the Israeli leadership at the time didn't have the courage and the vision to force out the entire Arab population. That would have been right and just and save the life of thousands of Jews over the years that follow.
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'heading to the panic and the calls of the Arab leaders who implored them to leave and return after all the Jews had been exterminated.'
Actually this has been proved to be false. Erskine Childers actually studied the near east mointoting stations and found no such Arab orders. Also are you suggesting that ethnic cleansing is ok?
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There are many 'investigators' about this subject. There are traitorous israeli investigators in Israel that claim they have a proof of massacres committed against the Arabs and and they faked or invent the evidence to prove their claims. I never heard of Childers but I don't trust his claim because I know the contrary. There were even cases of Arabs who started fleeing and the Israelis literally begged them to stay and there are testimonies for that.
I think that in the case of the Jews and the transfer of the Arabs who reside in Israel to the Arab lands is the just solution. If you call it ethnic cleansing then yes it is ok, but I mean transfer and relocation of population and not killing, them god forbid.
We Jews have a tiny little country of our own and I don't think anyone has the right to take what is rightly our homeland from us. The Arabs control over 99% of the middle east. They have huge countries, an empire. But it's just not enough for them, they can't tolerate a homeland to the Jews be as tiny as it might.
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Actually many massacres did actually occur during 1948. The evidence is there if your willing to read about it. But i warn you, it doesn't make nice reading Even a cursory glance through Ben-Gurion's personal diary enteries demonstrate he was aware of these events. But why do you think it is ok for a people to be forced of their own land to accomadate settlers? Surely that is a facist idea? You say that you don't think anyone has a right to take your homeland, but why can you take other peoples homelands? Does the Talmudic law permit the treatment of non-jews as less than jews? You also seem to think that an Arab is just an Arab, but infact there are many different peoples who can be called Arab.
I wonder if you think Pagans have a right to rule say England just because paganism pre-dates Christianity. Would you support a pagan takeover of countries in which it predates christinaity or the ruling religion?
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Listen you troll, don't you dare come here peddling fakestinian sob stories. There are over fifty Arab countries, and at least 20 Muslim countries. So don't try and tell us this dispute is merely about innocent Arabs being thrown out of their homes. Your beloved innocent fakestinians were conducting pogroms against Jews long before the state of Israel was established.
So frankly, I will take the side of the Israelis, who built a Western democracy in a barren desert over barbarian goat fornicators who celebrated on 9/11. If you're one of the pro-fakestinian types, you've come to the wrong place.
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Sorry Lisa, but i have come here to have open and honest debate. i actually study the history. If you wish to silence open debate then perhaps you should go live in one of those muslim countries you seem to dislike. I would like to know what you think is wrong with honest debate? BTW im a christian european. What is a fakestinian?
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Well RepublicanStones, being that you're a Christian European, how do you feel about Europe becoming majority Muslim? If you don't want it happening in your own continent or country, then who are you to come here complaining about Israel trying to maintain its Jewish identity, and protecting her citizens from terrorism.
And before you go accusing Israel of being an "apartheid" state, you should know that there are Arab Muslim members of Israel's parliament, and Arab Muslim Supreme Court judges. In fact Miss Israel at one point was even an Arab. So don't even think of starting with that here.
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Europe is a long long way from becoming majority muslim. i suggest you look at the denomination census ratios.
'then who are you to come here complaining about Israel trying to maintain its Jewish identity, and protecting her citizens from terrorism.'
You fail to admit that before the ethnic cleansing of 1948 the land on which israel now sits had an arab identity. plan Dalet initiated the de-arabization of this region through ethnic cleansing. Do you not think it hypocritical to cry about Israel attempting to retain its jewish identity when it was actually founded through the wiping oput of another identity? Also you seem to ignore the historical FACT, that Israel was founded through terrorism and again is it not hypocritical to condem terrorism from those who were terrorized in the first palce? Im well aware that there are Arab members of the Knesset, but in your honest opinion do you think this is to placate the west and put forth an image of secularism or a real desire for a multicultural state? If it is the latter, why then don't they allow the right of return and recognise the several palestinian villages currently not officially recognised?
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Actually many massacres did actually occur during 1948. The evidence is there if your willing to read about it. But i warn you, it doesn't make nice reading Even a cursory glance through Ben-Gurion's personal diary enteries demonstrate he was aware of these events. But why do you think it is ok for a people to be forced of their own land to accomadate settlers? Surely that is a facist idea? You say that you don't think anyone has a right to take your homeland, but why can you take other peoples homelands? Does the Talmudic law permit the treatment of non-jews as less than jews? You also seem to think that an Arab is just an Arab, but infact there are many different peoples who can be called Arab.
I wonder if you think Pagans have a right to rule say England just because paganism pre-dates Christianity. Would you support a pagan takeover of countries in which it predates christinaity or the ruling religion?
I've seen the line of burned out vehicles outside of Jerusalem that remains as a memorial to close to 100 doctors and nurses that were MASSACRED trying to reach Haddasah Hospital with desperatly needed medicines and supplies. Doctors and nurses that treated arabs as well as Jews. I think most of the members of this forum can name 10 events for every one that you might conjure up. You piece of POOP!!!
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Europe is a long long way from becoming majority muslim. i suggest you look at the denomination census ratios.
'then who are you to come here complaining about Israel trying to maintain its Jewish identity, and protecting her citizens from terrorism.'
You fail to admit that before the ethnic cleansing of 1948 the land on which israel now sits had an arab identity. plan Dalet initiated the de-arabization of this region through ethnic cleansing. Do you not think it hypocritical to cry about Israel attempting to retain its jewish identity when it was actually founded through the wiping oput of another identity? Also you seem to ignore the historical FACT, that Israel was founded through terrorism and again is it not hypocritical to condem terrorism from those who were terrorized in the first palce? Im well aware that there are Arab members of the Knesset, but in your honest opinion do you think this is to placate the west and put forth an image of secularism or a real desire for a multicultural state? If it is the latter, why then don't they allow the right of return and recognise the several palestinian villages currently not officially recognised?
Time to stop this masturbation fest. Somebody please ban this gay pedophile.
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Are you suggesting there was no plan Dalet and no ethnic cleansing of the palestinians?
I assume you also believe the Holocaust was a "plan" and hoax, too. Leave us alone and get back to your kiddieporn filesharing with your boyfriend Frank Weltner.
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'Somebody please ban this gay pedophile.'
Why would you seek to stifle debate? Something make you uncomfortable?
Why would i think the holocaust was a hoax? Why would you attempt to present that image of me? Again it seems you wish to discredit and stifle debate. Again i ask why you wish to enforce censorship? Why would you mention Kiddieporn? Is that something you involve yourelf in????
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Is that something you involve yourelf in????
My, my, my somebody sounds nervous! ;D
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So, I noticed that you did not deny believing the Holocaust is a hoax.
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Listen you obnoxious troll! What you call "ethnic cleansing," I call Jews defending themselves against hostile Arab hordes hell bent on Israel's destruction. What's the matter? Don't Jews have a right to defend themselves? You think Arabs have the right to kill Jews? Never mind the fact that the Arabs have 600 times the land that tiny Israel has.
Before Israel gained her independence, it was part of the British mandate. And before that, it was part of the Ottoman Empire. There were never any Palestinian people. They just renamed themselves that when they had their smelly behinds handed to them after the 1967 war. So frankly, I do not take any claims of Israeli ethnic cleansing seriously when it's made by barbaric Arabs.
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Not nervous...happily married. just wonder why you would attempt to slur those with opposing views with such a label, it is quite childish no? Also, why do some on here wish to stifle debate? is that not a criticism of several muslim countries through their un-democratic practices???
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The only thing "filthy" around here are RepublicanStones' genitals, because of where they were placed. ;)
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Spare us your spiel about "free speech" and open debate. If you want that, start your own blog. But you don't come on a Jewish forum and accuse Jews of ethnic cleansing.
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Not nervous...happily married.
I don't care what the States of California and Massachusetts call your living arrangement. In G-d's eyes, it's an abomination.
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You claimed the Holocaust was a hoax not I. I know the holocaust happened, millions of Jews were murdered, gypsies, homosexuals and handicapped people suffered too, none should be forgotten. Yet again Lisa you seem to think an Arab is na Arab is an Arab, but fail to admit there are many peoples which make up this term. they are not all the same. israel was settled by western Jews, who had no biologiacl link whatsoever to the middle east. These settlers forced out the indigenous people, because they viewed them as less than them.
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You claimed the Holocaust was a hoax not I. I know the holocaust happened, millions of Jews were murdered, gypsies, homosexuals and handicapped people suffered too, none should be forgotten. Yet again Lisa you seem to think an Arab is na Arab is an Arab, but fail to admit there are many peoples which make up this term. they are not all the same. israel was settled by western Jews, who had no biologiacl link whatsoever to the middle east. These settlers forced out the indigenous people, because they viewed them as less than them.
Save the drivel for the next Institute for Historical Review conference, Adolf. And while you're at it, you might want to be a little more faithful in taking your AZT cocktails because the syphilis has clearly begun to eat your brain.
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You claimed the Holocaust was a hoax not I.
No, I claimed that you believe it is a hoax, and you didn't deny it. You still haven't actually denied that it is a hoax.
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Have either of you even studied the hisory of the region which hasn't been written by pro-zionists?
Why are you calling me Adolf? It was you who brought up the holocaust hoax idea...not I. I know it happened, it was no hoax. You seem to resort to namecalling when your knowledge deserts you. why is it when one asks critical questions about Israel he is either labelled a holocaust-denier or a anti-semite?????
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True, there are Muslim Arabs, and Christian Arabs. But with the exception of Nonie Darwish, Joseph Farah, Brigitte Gabriel and Dr. Wafa Sultan, they have a murderous hatred of Jews. Many so-called Christian Arabs light candles in their churches to Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. And those Maronites in Lebanon were right there with the Moosies celebrating the release of that monster Samir Kuntar.
Also, your argument about Israel displacing the "indigenous" people is neither here nor there. The Founding Fathers of America were not indigenous people, as the Indians were. And there was plenty of displacement of Indians going on. Does that mean America as we know it, with its Constitution should not exist? Most people would say no. However, your type would hold Israel to an impossible standard not applied to other countries, and you would say, YES!
Also, if Israel committed that dreaded ethnic cleansing, why were there about 700,000 Arabs left in Israel after 1948? And why has the population grown to several million?
You need to stop drinking the Kool Aid.
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From a standpoint of the right of return I'll let this discussion continue, but I will not allow talk about the Holocaust being a hoax to. If it does, I will lock this thread. As for my views:
1. There are no longer any Palestinians alive today. They were all annihilated around the time of King David.
2. There is no ethnic cleansing of Arabs. There are Arab Jews and if an Arab chooses to be Jewish, the right of return applies.
3. People who follow the law are allowed to stay, but those who poses a risk should be encouraged to voluntarily leave.
4. Islam is an evil belief and not an ethnicity. Islam should be a crime in the land of Israel.
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'The Muslims who left at the behest of their leaders were the only ones with ethnic cleansing in mind'
Again you reiterate the zionist lie. It was shown to be false by Erskine Childers in his study in 1960. No such orders were given.
'the Jews were there thousands of years before any Arab'
Actually another lie, as the palestinians can claim descendancy back just as far as the indigenous Jews. As they are a semitic people to.
You then go back to the Time of Muhammed to discredit the muslims. Tell me are you claimin the Jews have never had any violence in their
history?
'Maybe because they don't want their country flooded by hostile Muslims'
Ahh but it was someone elses country before the western jews settled and ethnically cleansed the region. Is it not ok for those people to attempt and stop hostile jews from overtaking their land?
'Israel worked the Jews that fled from Arab nations into their population after 1948. '
Ahh they fled, they were Never encouraged to emigrate. The Mizrahim they were called, care to elaborate on how they are treated compared to 'whiter' looking jews?
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'1. There are no longer any Palestinians alive today. They were all annihilated around the time of King David.'
care to elaborate facts and figures and by who?
'There is no ethnic cleansing of Arabs. '
historical fact disagrees with you.
'3. People who follow the law are allowed to stay, but those who poses a risk should be encouraged to voluntarily leave.
4. Islam is an evil belief and not an ethnicity. Islam should be a crime in the land of Israel.'
hang on i thought israel was a democracy?????
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Listen troll,
Israel is a Jewish state, whether you like it or not. And no amount of you trolling on Kahanist sites and citing anti-Semitic literature will change that fact. Furthermore, Israel will remain Jewish. JTF will see to that.
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I am merely trying to debate with those of opposing views...better than picking up a gun, no?
I am surprised howver by the level of vitriolic personal slurs one encounters with those who resort to childish attacks instead of mature debate.
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I am surprised howver by the level of vitriolic personal slurs one encounters with those who resort to childish attacks instead of mature debate.
Well RepublicanStones, maybe you should have thought of that before coming here and accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing right off the bat.
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The Mizrahim they were called, care to elaborate on how they are treated compared to 'whiter' looking jews?
A Jew is a Jew. The Mizrahim have different culture and traditions, but they are just as righteous. I'm not saying there are no bad apples that treat them differently, but most Jews do not discriminate based on ethnicity.
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'Well RepublicanStones, maybe you should have thought of that before coming here and accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing right off the bat.'
But it is historical fact, why do you deny it?
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But it is historical fact, why do you deny it?
I already gave you my answer on Israel allegedly committing ethnic cleansing of your beloved Arabs. But you haven't answered my question about America and her indigenous Indian population, that suffered quite a bit. Never have you said America shouldn't exist because the evil white men ethnically cleansed the Indians. So why the double standard?
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You seem unaware of the compensation the USA has paid out to the native americans.
Also if there was any justice the native americans would have a bigger say in the running of their coun try. But the USA actually carried out a genocide, which is slightly different from an ethic cleansing. Israel cannot be accused of genocide. The fact that there ios still a viable living community of people who were ethnically cleansed in 1948 means to expect the right of return to their land is not unreasonable...if Israel is to be seen as a true democracy.
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From a standpoint of the right of return I'll let this discussion continue, but I will not allow talk about the Holocaust being a hoax to. If it does, I will lock this thread.
TBOT, I only brought this up because this pig is a Holocaust-denier. Why can't I point that out?
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But it is historical fact, why do you deny it?
Give me some impartial historical sources that assert it is a "fact", and not just what your gds Joseph Sobran, Ernst Zundel, and David Duke claim.
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Im sorry CF but where have i denied the holocaust????? I suggest you either retract that allegation and apologise or you will be seen to be a blatant liar. your choice.
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I suppose Illan Pappe is a traitor, Finkelstein is a self-hating Jew and the fact that Ben-gurion himself advocated 'population transfer' means nothing.
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Give me a break. You are a White Nationalist. By definition you deny the Holocaust. It took three or four times of me bringing it up before you finally said "the Holocaust is a fact". Your posts are here for everyone to read, pig. When I first accused you of being an HD, your response was not "no I am not", but rather "why do you say I am a HD?".
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I suppose Illan Pappe is a traitor, Finkelstein is a self-hating Jew and the fact that Ben-gurion himself advocated 'population transfer' means nothing.
So I assume you haven't gotten your HIV test results back yet, buddy?
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'Give me a break. You are a White Nationalist. By definition you deny the Holocaust.'
i have never denied the holocaust. You brought up the 'idea' that i was a holocaust denier out of thin air. I never once denied it??? where did you get that ludricous idea? You seem to wish to label anyone who is critical of israel as a holocaust-denier ...i wonder why that is?
In your eyes is anyone who is critical of Israeli polices a holocaust denier????
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You seem unaware of the compensation the USA has paid out to the native americans.
You also seem to be unaware of the compensation given in the form of welfare/free electricity to Arabs. In fact, Samir Kuntar's girlfriend was getting welfare benefits while he was in jail.
Regarding Ilan Pappe, he is a communist and anti-Zionist. So as right wingers, we don't take his drivel seriously. Norman Finkelstein is another Jewish traitor, who openly praises Hezbollah (which America has designated as a terrorist group). So again, we don't take Jewish anti-Semites seriously. But the fact that you do leads me to believe that you are not here for honest debate, but that you just want to troll.
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In your eyes is anyone who is critical of Israeli polices a holocaust denier????
They usually tend to go together, which of course you would know, [censored].
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'So I assume you haven't gotten your HIV test results back yet, buddy?'
Why do you resort to childish remarks? i thought this was a mature reasoned forum.
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Swear on the Bible right now that you have never had anal sex.
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So CF your saying its a fact, that anyone who is critical of Israel is a holocaust denier?
'You also seem to be unaware of the compensation given in the form of welfare/free electricity to Arabs.'
Welfare? would that also be the stuff they are stopping reaching Gaza at the minute through israels policy of collective punishment?
So if a Jew is critical of Israel he is a self-hater? the fact that their works are actually alot more historically accurate than your little joan Peters cabal of propagandists means nothing to you. It must be annoying for you Americans to have tonight been roundly spanked by a european????
Again with the Childish remarks CF, your making a fool of yourself now.
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Aha, I see you haven't done it. Case closed. You are an [censored] faggot.
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It must be annoying for you Americans to have tonight been roundly spanked by a european????
So you are admitting you are a StørmFrønt WN Nazi?
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CF, it seems you use colouring books and crayons instead of history books. tut tut !
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Again with the Childish remarks CF, your making a fool of yourself now.
As usual, it's your AIDS-addled brain that comes up with the childish remarks. Let me correct your nonsensical grammar:
"Again with the childish remarks, CF. You're making a fool of yourself now.
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colouring
So you're bloody British, eh? Let me guess--you're David Irving's life-partner. ::)
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It must be annoying for you Americans to have tonight been roundly spanked by a european?Huh
What is it with this spanking analogy. Looks like C.F. is right about you being a queer. But I guess it's to be expected since Hitler's minions were also queers.
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Looks like C.F. is right about you being a queer. But I guess it's to be expected since Hitler's minions were also queers.
Lisa, you know full well that the majority of committed Nazis are homosexuals or at least have bisexual leanings. But you are correct--I do really, truly think RepublicanStones is a bumchugger, to use a well-known Mormon euphemism for fudgepackers.
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Dan Ben Noah you have just reiterated the usual lies which has been proven by many academics to be exactly that. I suggest you read a little unbiased history, anti-zionist if you wish, but literature which has no ulterior motive is beeter than thaty which seeks to legitimize war crimes by a western colonial settler state. You no doubt think Joan Peters work 'From Time Immemorial' is a tome of unbridled sound academic work. Israel and its actions are there for any true student of history who wants to know the reality of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Your founding father himself admitted Israel was founded on terrorism.....
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
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I am always amazed how the people living in Europe defend the muslim invaders. I guess misery loves company.
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'1. There are no longer any Palestinians alive today. They were all annihilated around the time of King David.'
care to elaborate facts and figures and by who?
Wars between Jews and their enemies are documented in the books about the kings and judges. I'll try to pick some things out when I have time this weekend. David was the one responsible for capturing Jerusalem.
'There is no ethnic cleansing of Arabs. '
historical fact disagrees with you.
This is where I have to ask you to elaborate.
'3. People who follow the law are allowed to stay, but those who poses a risk should be encouraged to voluntarily leave.
4. Islam is an evil belief and not an ethnicity. Islam should be a crime in the land of Israel.'
hang on i thought israel was a democracy?????
Israel is not a democracy and is not supposed to be. It is supposed to be a land governed by G-d(through kings, judges and prophets), but the current rulers in charge are corrupt and give in to the Muslim Nazis for their own personal profit. It is insane that they tax hard working Israelis to fund welfare for Muslim Nazi savages who are lazy and produce nothing but crime.
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Im not british, not by a long way. Nice to see the children resort to childish ways once roundly beaten by someone who isn't a bigot or a racist. You children should pick up more books, less comics. night Night...oh and i'll be surprised if you don't ban me, this site obvioulsy doesn't like to hear the truth.
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Welfare? would that also be the stuff they are stopping reaching Gaza at the minute through israels policy of collective punishment?
The expression "collective punishment" seems to be quite popular with the white nationalist Europeans. If the Arabs help terrorists or shelter them, then they are guilty and deserve punishment. If they don't want "collective punishment" then perhaps they should behave like civilized human beings and good neighbors.
Do you ever wonder where all the money that America and Europe sends to the fakestinian authority goes? (Well you probably don't but anyway...) It's certainly not used to build any infrastructure or any kind of functional society. It goes to financing suicide bombings. But you Euro-peons have already gotten a well deserved bad reputation for committing genocide against your Jewish populations. And so this time, you want the Arabs to do your dirty work for you.
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“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true G-d promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our G-d is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
Hey [censored]--if you would have "read a little history" like you say, you would also know that your hero Ben Gurion is responsible for the murder of thousands of right-wing Jews in a vicious civil war that began during the Second World War (when he, as a British puppet leader, shelled Holocaust refugee ships coming to British Palestine) and continued until the founding of Israel. Google the Altalena incident, if your fingers aren't stuck together from a blend of semen and feces. But you wouldn't care about Ben Gurion's war against helpless Holocaust refugees, considering you don't think it ever happened in the first place.
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Welfare? would that also be the stuff they are stopping reaching Gaza at the minute through israels policy of collective punishment?
I wish it didn't go through. At least if the Muslim Nazis are going to have our land(G-d forbid), they should have to support themselves. The Muslim Nazis had absolutely no desire for Eretz Yisrael until Jews came and built it up. While the Muslim Nazis are complaining about Jewish settlements they are doing nothing to build up they land that they unfortunately have. The Muslim Nazis should produce something rather than destroy what others have.
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TBOT, there is no reasoning with Nazis. Time to ban this pig.
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TBOT, there is no reasoning with Nazis. Time to ban this pig.
I'm not recommending that we ban him. He has expressed a disgusting and opposing view, but has not done anything that I feel is worth banning.
We have G-d and the truth on our side and we have to keep it that way. While RepublicanStones is clearly our enemy, he has presented a fair challenge and we need to be able to defend our position. I'm encouraging people to respond to him with facts and sources rather than insults.
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It's actually kind of fun ripping into him/her/it.
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Swear on the Bible right now that you have never had anal sex.
CF, can you not debate?
Must you always resort to this kind of nonsense?
You're 'winning votes' for him.
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'heading to the panic and the calls of the Arab leaders who implored them to leave and return after all the Jews had been exterminated.'
Actually this has been proved to be false. Erskine Childers actually studied the near east mointoting stations and found no such Arab orders. Also are you suggesting that ethnic cleansing is ok?
lie.
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Actually many massacres did actually occur during 1948. The evidence is there if your willing to read about it. But i warn you, it doesn't make nice reading Even a cursory glance through Ben-Gurion's personal diary enteries demonstrate he was aware of these events. But why do you think it is ok for a people to be forced of their own land to accomadate settlers? Surely that is a facist idea? You say that you don't think anyone has a right to take your homeland, but why can you take other peoples homelands? Does the Talmudic law permit the treatment of non-jews as less than jews?
Troll alert.
You also seem to think that an Arab is just an Arab, but infact there are many different peoples who can be called Arab.
Please translate to non-jibberish.
I wonder if you think Pagans have a right to rule say England just because paganism pre-dates Christianity. Would you support a pagan takeover of countries in which it predates christinaity or the ruling religion?
England is not my concern, you'll have to take it up with the queen.
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He is spreading antisemitic canards about the Talmud, that's not enough to ban him? He's an obvious troll, but do whatever you want. I won't waste my time with this warped individual.
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What is this garbage
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This guy sounds like a Marxist Irish Republican to me. Shame on you if you are.
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I didn't even care to read the whole thread, but saying that "European Jews have no bilogical link to Israel is enough". Ban him now and forever, that's the same anti-Semite argument I am sick hearing from both Arabs and neo-nazis. "Askenazim are not Semite, and so invaders in Israel, but they are Semites, Christ killers or inferior race, and so invaders in Europe", funny but digusting argument!!! Please ban him and delete his account!!!
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Takebackourtemple, i appreciate the fact you haven't banned me. CF i would ask that you retract the holocaust denier tag, as i am no such thing.
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'Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said: "We will smash the country with our guns and obliterate every place the Jews seek shelter in. The Arabs should conduct their wives and children to safe areas until the fighting has died down"
Arab Higher Committee on March 8, 1948: "Any opposition to this order...is an obstacle to this holy war...and will hamper the operation of the fighters in these districts"
Who cares about what foreign observers like Erskine Childers think? He was obviously wrong.'
It seems you think an order to shelter from the fighting is equivalent to ordering people to flee their entire country. Also i suggest you look up Erskine Childers and his study. It puts to bed the myth that the Arab leaders ordered the wholesale evacuation of Palestine.
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Erskine B Childers was a foreign correspondent for the BBC in the 1960's and he disputes the claim that the Arabs told their own people to leave by other news organizations. He had a different view on what happened so saying his observations are fact is not a clear view of those historical events and are historically disputed. Erskine B Childers also came from a Protestant Irish family which supported the Republican cause which had ties to the PLO.
You claim America committed genocide...they won a very brutal war in which both sides committed atrocities and American settlers won.
You say Israel committed genocide...even if your case would be true, you are talking about one incident with 200 people which was committed by Christian Phalangists. The Muslims have specialized in genocide around the world and you can't make that claim about Jews at all.
Finally you talk of terrorism. Chaim Ben Pesach has talked about the term terrorism. Even America's leaders are now getting away from that subjective term. Chaim has said that in WW2, there was not a war against the Blitzkrieg but against the Nazis. Terrorism is a tactic and it should be available to be used against the enemy. The enemy are Nazi Muslim killers who want to conquer every society that is not Muslim.
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'Erskine B Childers also came from a Protestant Irish family which supported the Republican cause which had ties to the PLO. '
I suggest you look at the chronology of events and come back and tell me about irish republicansim, the PLO and Mr Childers.
The colonists in America, did commit genocide, which is different from ethnic cleansing. Historical FACT would disagree with you.
Where did i say Israel comitted genocide??? I sadi israel committed ethnic cleansing, which is different.
'Chaim Ben Pesach has talked about the term terrorism'
Im sure Victor Vancier knows all about terrorism.
'The enemy are Nazi Muslim killers who want to conquer every society that is not Muslim. '
What about white western colonists who conquer a land not theirs?
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Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on wether or not the palestinians should be given right of return from 1948 or should they be compensated?
Or can they expect none of the above?
The Palestinians should expect none of the above...Palestinians are terrorists and must be dealt with accordingly.
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'Erskine B Childers also came from a Protestant Irish family which supported the Republican cause which had ties to the PLO. '
I suggest you look at the chronology of events and come back and tell me about irish republicansim, the PLO and Mr Childers.
The colonists in America, did commit genocide, which is different from ethnic cleansing. Historical FACT would disagree with you.
Where did i say Israel comitted genocide??? I sadi israel committed ethnic cleansing, which is different.
'Chaim Ben Pesach has talked about the term terrorism'
Im sure Victor Vancier knows all about terrorism.
'The enemy are Nazi Muslim killers who want to conquer every society that is not Muslim. '
What about white western colonists who conquer a land not theirs?
Stones, you say one thing, then reverse your train of thought...you are being contradictory and there is a reason for that, I suspect you are a MUZZIE!
My assumptions are usually correct...you are just too obvious!
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'The enemy are Nazi Muslim killers who want to conquer every society that is not Muslim. '
What about white western colonists who conquer a land not theirs?
That was then.
This is now.
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The BBC is a notoriously left wing, Israel hating, pro Fakestinian news outlet. So I wouldn't trust anything put out by their so-called "journalists."
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May I suggest to narrow the debate to a specific and well defined subject? Assuming republicanstones is not a troll, let him/her/it chose what topic to debate and bring his accusations backed with some credible source.
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Zelhar, RepublicanStones is a troll. Anyone who comes here accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing and demanding a right to return for the moosies has got to be a troll. Plus, he's a fan of Ilan Pappe and Norman Finkelstein. The only reason I haven't banned him yet is because I want him Jew hating donkey flamed more.
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May I suggest to narrow the debate to a specific and well defined subject? Assuming republicanstones is not a troll, let him/her/it chose what topic to debate and bring his accusations backed with some credible source.
I agree totally with this statement. This thread has gotten too long too fast. I'm asking that all future posts to this thread reference a credible source or reference. My library is at Bait Knesset, so I plan to most my source after Shabbat.
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'Erskine B Childers also came from a Protestant Irish family which supported the Republican cause which had ties to the PLO. '
I suggest you look at the chronology of events and come back and tell me about Irish Republicanism, the PLO and Mr Childers.
You're still taking biased source as fact..so you haven't really addressed that. We're talking about a minority opinion by someone who comes from an Irish Republican background. Yeah I looked at the events and this was in 1960 when the IRA and the Palestinians were already coming across one another in universities. Are you trying to say that the PLO didn't officially embrace the IRA by then so that his opinion would be unbiased?
The colonists in America, did commit genocide, which is different from ethnic cleansing. Historical FACT would disagree with you.
Where did i say Israel comitted genocide??? I sadi israel committed ethnic cleansing, which is different.
Ethnic cleansing has been used to talk about all sides on the Balkans in which there were mass killings of civilians so don't try to mince words. You and your leftist Palestinian propaganda machine love using words that invoke things like mass killings.
Please site where America committed genocide specifically and where the Indians acted differently..please...I'm waiting.
'Chaim Ben Pesach has talked about the term terrorism'
Im sure Victor Vancier knows all about terrorism.
Come to a site to attack Chaim...Troll. Anyways, he didn't kill anyone but your Muslim, ETA, Tupac Ameru, IRA INLA, RIRA and Continuity IRA friends have a specialty at killing people. It was real nice when your friends killed Spanish schoolchildren in Omagh...real brave.
'The enemy are Nazi Muslim killers who want to conquer every society that is not Muslim. '
What about white western colonists who conquer a land not theirs?
America did way less "conquering" than your European and Muslim friends. All the countries they did "conquer" have retained their culture and religion...the Phillipines, Puerto Rico, etc.
The Muslims have systematically destroyed or converted the local populations of every country they have invaded. Their religion will not stop until the world is under Dar Es Islam...under Islam. The people who have the misfortune of living under them have to pay dhimmis or are second class citizens.
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And please site where America committed genocide. They had a war with the Indians and the Indians lost...please show me your proof that exonerates the Indians as a group that fought fair and treated civilians as non targets and shows that America did anything but fight a difficult and ugly war.
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Also, notice that RepublicanStones says flat out that America committed genocide against the Indians. However, he is not calling for America to be abolished because of it. However, he wants tiny Israel to be abolished just because some moosies claim they were "ethnically cleansed." What a hypocrite!
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'Erskine B Childers also came from a Protestant Irish family which supported the Republican cause which had ties to the PLO. '
I suggest you look at the chronology of events and come back and tell me about irish republicansim, the PLO and Mr Childers.
The colonists in America, did commit genocide, which is different from ethnic cleansing. Historical FACT would disagree with you.
Where did i say Israel comitted genocide??? I sadi israel committed ethnic cleansing, which is different.
'Chaim Ben Pesach has talked about the term terrorism'
Im sure Victor Vancier knows all about terrorism.
'The enemy are Nazi Muslim killers who want to conquer every society that is not Muslim. '
What about white western colonists who conquer a land not theirs?
What about white western colonists who conquer a land not theirs?
I assume you're talking about the Romans conquering Judea ?
No ?
Ohhhh I'm sorry, you're talking about the Jews re-conquering a tiny portion of the region called Palestine.
There must be some sort of double standard being applied here.
The Jewish nation of Judea is conquered by the Romans (those 'white western colonists'), the Jewish inhabitants murdered and ethnically cleansed, but the Jews don't have a right to return to the land and recliam their nation. Yet Arabs have the right to return and establish a Palestinian nation that never existed to begin with.
Bottom line, RepStones: The Jewish landlord has returned, and this time he's staying forever. And there's not a damned thing any of you Euroweenies can do about it. Better learn to live with it and start worrying about Eurabia.
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Zelhar, RepublicanStones is a troll. Anyone who comes here accusing Israel of ethnic cleansing and demanding a right to return for the moosies has got to be a troll. Plus, he's a fan of Ilan Pappe and Norman Finkelstein. The only reason I haven't banned him yet is because I want him Jew hating donkey flamed more.
Shalom Lisa... republicanstones has the typical arab muslim mentality...Republicanstones already knows Israel belongs to the Jews, he knows they have been there for over 6 thousand years. Republicanstones knows the Palestinian's are terrorists...he knows the truth, but his Arab Muslim mentality will not allow him to be honest.
Republicanstones is a Troll ... and his only goal here on the forum is to ' stir the pot. '
If he is a European, we can then refer to him as a Eurabian.
Shalom from Dox :)