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Title: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: mord on August 05, 2008, 11:42:04 AM
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20080803Germanaid07312008.html     













Wadi e.V. director Thomas von der Osten-Sacken says his group on a blog posting was only standing up for Israel's right to exist.
By Toby Axelrod  Published: 08/03/2008 


BERLIN (JTA) -- The Swiss branch of a major Catholic charity has pulled its support from a German nongovernmental organization, allegedly over its suggestion that a military strike should be considered if other measures fail to convince Iran to drop its nuclear ambitions.
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e.V., say they were merely upholding Israel's right to exist in the face of verbal threats from Iran.

In a June 10 letter recently made public, the Catholic charity Caritas wrote that it regretted having to stop funding Wadi e.V., one of the few NGOs that has remained active in Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion. Wadi e.V.'s main focus has been on the prevention of female genital mutilation. It has been working 14 years in the region.

Though Caritas did not cite specific statements as objectionable, its decision to cease funding came after Wadi's director, Thomas von der Osten-Sacken, cited on the NGO's Web blog the position about Iran.

In its letter, Caritas Switzerland's regional director, Norbert Kieliger, and Maria Winiger, the director of the Asia-Mideast region, cited the Wadi programs for women in northern Iraq as impressive.

"Which is why we are especially sorry to tell you that our work together with Wadi e.V. will come to an end in February/March 2009, with the conclusion of the current project phase," the directors said.


According to a report in the latest edition of the Swiss weekly paper Weltwoche, Caritas provides $312,000 annually, or a quarter of the German group's budget.


The Caritas letter said its "difficult" decision was prompted by political statements on the Wadi Web site "that from our perspective intensify" the Mideast conflict and are "not in keeping with our own views." Caritas is committed to peaceful conflict resolution, the letter stated.


In response, Osten-Sacken and Wadi president Anne Mollenhauer wrote that they were "astonished" by the letter's content and asked why their offer to discuss "possible differences or ambiguities in person" was not considered.


In fact, they said, they had not expressed views on "the so-called Israeli-Palestinian conflict," but rather had stood up for Israel's right to exist.


It is not possible to hold a supposedly neutral view of governments, organizations and individuals who call for the destruction of Israel and murder of Jews," they wrote.


They also noted that another group supported by Caritas -- Badil, which represents Palestinian refugees -- calls for "violence against Israeli military and civilians," refers to suicide bombers as "martyrs of the intifada," and refers to Israel as the "Zionist entity" or "racist apartheid state."


Osten-Sacken said his group had received a short reply from Caritas stating that the charity was sticking to its decision.


Osten Sacken, who recently addressed a conference on Iran in Berlin, told JTA that in his view, "there are worse things than war. It is an unfortunate lesson of the 20th century.


"There should still be a possibility to stop Iran without military action, but this is a dictatorship," he said. "If Luxembourg has an atomic program, well, Luxembourg is a democracy and I don't have sleepless nights. The problem with Iran is the regime, not the bomb."   



This Swiss group must like female mutilation


Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 11:47:42 AM
No more german swiss Chocolate :-[
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: mord on August 05, 2008, 12:02:45 PM
No more german swiss Chocolate :-[
German Chocolate is O.K. just swiss isnt
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 12:03:40 PM
No more german swiss Chocolate :-[
German Chocolate is O.K. just swiss isnt

What chocolate do you like???????
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: mord on August 05, 2008, 12:11:02 PM
No more german swiss Chocolate :-[
German Chocolate is O.K. just swiss isnt

What chocolate do you like???????
The Italian one i forgot it's name it starts with P
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 12:14:28 PM
No more german swiss Chocolate :-[
German Chocolate is O.K. just swiss isnt

What chocolate do you like???????
The Italian one i forgot it's name it starts with P

I like German Chocolate because they make great dark chocolate
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: mord on August 05, 2008, 12:18:56 PM
No more german swiss Chocolate :-[
German Chocolate is O.K. just swiss isnt

What chocolate do you like???????
The Italian one i forgot it's name it starts with P


I like German Chocolate because they make great dark chocolate
You like dark chocolate i like milk chocolate :D
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 12:20:02 PM
No more german swiss Chocolate :-[
German Chocolate is O.K. just swiss isnt

What chocolate do you like???????
The Italian one i forgot it's name it starts with P
You like dark chocolate i like milk chocolate :D

I like German Chocolate because they make great dark chocolate

You racist ;D
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 12:21:06 PM
I am opposed to foreign aid to Muslime countries. Wadi e.V. is working on that field.

But that Caritas is ending the cooperation only because of Wadi said Israel has a right to exist is evil and said a lot about this group.  >:(
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: mord on August 05, 2008, 12:22:56 PM
I am opposed to foreign aid to Muslime countries. Wadi e.V. is working on that field.

But that Caritas is ending the cooperation only because of Wadi said Israel has a right to exist is evil and said a lot about this group.  >:(
This is correct
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Rubystars on August 05, 2008, 12:44:28 PM
Every year my dad would get a German chocolate flavored cake for his birthday. It was good and tasty. As he's gotten older though he doesn't like sweet things as much. Now he wants oatmeal cookies which have just as much sugar but don't taste as sweet.
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: mord on August 05, 2008, 12:45:59 PM
Every year my dad would get a German chocolate flavored cake for his birthday. It was good and tasty. As he's gotten older though he doesn't like sweet things as much. Now he wants oatmeal cookies which have just as much sugar but don't taste as sweet.
my father always loved the cookies his mother made oatmeal and peanut butter
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 12:46:27 PM
Every year my dad would get a German chocolate flavored cake for his birthday. It was good and tasty. As he's gotten older though he doesn't like sweet things as much. Now he wants oatmeal cookies which have just as much sugar but don't taste as sweet.

What type of German Chocolate?
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 12:47:09 PM
Every year my dad would get a German chocolate flavored cake for his birthday. It was good and tasty. As he's gotten older though he doesn't like sweet things as much. Now he wants oatmeal cookies which have just as much sugar but don't taste as sweet.

You put candles on the cookie
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 12:49:37 PM
Every year my dad would get a German chocolate flavored cake for his birthday. It was good and tasty. As he's gotten older though he doesn't like sweet things as much. Now he wants oatmeal cookies which have just as much sugar but don't taste as sweet.

You can always get him Oatmeal cake
(http://i.timeinc.net/recipes/i/recipes/ck/03142008/oatmeal-cake-ck-344074-l.jpg)
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Rubystars on August 05, 2008, 12:53:41 PM
Every year my dad would get a German chocolate flavored cake for his birthday. It was good and tasty. As he's gotten older though he doesn't like sweet things as much. Now he wants oatmeal cookies which have just as much sugar but don't taste as sweet.

What type of German Chocolate?

Sort of like this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41H069SY28L._SL500_AA266_.jpg)

I think it was invented in Dallas, Texas, can't remember when though.
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 12:55:55 PM
Every year my dad would get a German chocolate flavored cake for his birthday. It was good and tasty. As he's gotten older though he doesn't like sweet things as much. Now he wants oatmeal cookies which have just as much sugar but don't taste as sweet.

What type of German Chocolate?

Sort of like this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41H069SY28L._SL500_AA266_.jpg)

I think it was invented in Dallas, Texas, can't remember when though.


He likes dark chocolate?
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 12:57:25 PM
Now I am hungry and I will go shopping. Your fault  ;)

I will buy a chicken and a big chocolate cake.

And of cause some wine.

He he he

See you later ...
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Rubystars on August 05, 2008, 12:58:22 PM
Yeah he's eaten some before but he doesn't like things to be too sweet. I think that's one reason he liked that cake, because even though it's a chocolate cake, it's not as sweet as say, Devil's food cake, or regular chocolate cake.
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Rubystars on August 05, 2008, 12:59:18 PM
Now I am hungry and I will go shopping. Your fault  ;)

I will buy a chicken and a big chocolate cake.

And of cause some wine.

He he he

See you later ...

Sounds great :)
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 01:00:08 PM
Yeah he's eaten some before but he doesn't like things to be too sweet. I think that's one reason he liked that cake, because even though it's a chocolate cake, it's not as sweet as say, Devil's food cake, or regular chocolate cake.

Yeah but German Dark chocolate is bitter and more healtier for the heart then other chocolates
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Rubystars on August 05, 2008, 01:03:27 PM
Yeah he's eaten some before but he doesn't like things to be too sweet. I think that's one reason he liked that cake, because even though it's a chocolate cake, it's not as sweet as say, Devil's food cake, or regular chocolate cake.

Yeah but German Dark chocolate is bitter and more healtier for the heart then other chocolates

My mom loves dark chocolate, when I would get those packages of mini candy bars I would give her most of the special darks out of the package :)
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 01:05:10 PM
Yeah he's eaten some before but he doesn't like things to be too sweet. I think that's one reason he liked that cake, because even though it's a chocolate cake, it's not as sweet as say, Devil's food cake, or regular chocolate cake.

Yeah but German Dark chocolate is bitter and more healtier for the heart then other chocolates

My mom loves dark chocolate, when I would get those packages of mini candy bars I would give her most of the special darks out of the package :)

Yes they are high in antioxidants
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Rubystars on August 05, 2008, 01:07:55 PM
Yeah he's eaten some before but he doesn't like things to be too sweet. I think that's one reason he liked that cake, because even though it's a chocolate cake, it's not as sweet as say, Devil's food cake, or regular chocolate cake.

Yeah but German Dark chocolate is bitter and more healtier for the heart then other chocolates

My mom loves dark chocolate, when I would get those packages of mini candy bars I would give her most of the special darks out of the package :)

Yes they are high in antioxidants

I wonder if that applies to Black Forest Cake? Some of my ancestors came from Southwest Germany. :)
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Americanhero1 on August 05, 2008, 01:17:45 PM
Yeah he's eaten some before but he doesn't like things to be too sweet. I think that's one reason he liked that cake, because even though it's a chocolate cake, it's not as sweet as say, Devil's food cake, or regular chocolate cake.

Yeah but German Dark chocolate is bitter and more healtier for the heart then other chocolates

My mom loves dark chocolate, when I would get those packages of mini candy bars I would give her most of the special darks out of the package :)

Yes they are high in antioxidants

I wonder if that applies to Black Forest Cake? Some of my ancestors came from Southwest Germany. :)

(http://images.indiaplaza.in/Stores/gift/Images/L_black_forest_cake.jpg)It does if you use dark chocolate
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Rubystars on August 05, 2008, 01:21:01 PM
The sugar can't be healthy, but everything in moderation as they say. :)
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 01:53:46 PM
The baker has no chocolate cake. It was early before closing and so I have to buy a semi-chocolate cake from the discounter.  :-\

Better than nothing. But I was lucky with the chicken. Today it was a special offer. So I had to pay only 2,69 Euro = 3,15 Dollar

Also Ham was today special offer. I usually don't eat much ham, but today I have some    appetite  :P

Look a really multicultural receipt :D :

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6586/unbenannt1kv5.jpg)
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: muman613 on August 05, 2008, 02:12:50 PM
The baker has no chocolate cake. It was early before closing and so I have to buy a semi-chocolate cake from the discounter.  :-\

Better than nothing. But I was lucky with the chicken. Today it was a special offer. So I had to pay only 2,69 Euro = 3,15 Dollar

Also Ham was today special offer. I usually don't eat much ham, but today I have some    appetite  :P

Look a really multicultural receipt :D :

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6586/unbenannt1kv5.jpg)

Thanks for telling us you eat ham...

muman613
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 02:38:15 PM
Muman, I am not Jewish, so it is not forbidden for me. ;)

Here is something that that you will like more:

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3313/cakemn0.jpg)
The cake I bought today

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/701/chickenuo2.jpg)
The chicken I have prepared with white pepper, salt and a herb mix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbes_de_Provence)

I like it simple and you have the real taste of the chicken. Very good  :P :P :P

Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: mord on August 05, 2008, 03:15:02 PM
Muman, I am not Jewish, so it is not forbidden for me. ;)

Here is something that that you will like more:

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3313/cakemn0.jpg)
The cake I bought today

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/701/chickenuo2.jpg)
The chicken I have prepared with white pepper, salt and a herb mix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbes_de_Provence)

I like it simple and you have the real taste of the chicken. Very good  :P :P :P


Thats in Euros now ;D yes if you go to the baker late all the stuff is gone they now prepare bread and cake for tommorow
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 03:25:38 PM
They had actually nothing there. Only a few gems.  :(

Are the prices in the USA for groceries higher, equal or less?
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: muman613 on August 05, 2008, 03:28:20 PM
Muman, I am not Jewish, so it is not forbidden for me. ;)

Here is something that that you will like more:

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3313/cakemn0.jpg)
The cake I bought today

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/701/chickenuo2.jpg)
The chicken I have prepared with white pepper, salt and a herb mix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbes_de_Provence)

I like it simple and you have the real taste of the chicken. Very good  :P :P :P


Thats in Euros now ;D yes if you go to the baker late all the stuff is gone they now prepare bread and cake for tommorow

Shalom Pheasant,

I dont doubt that. But dont you think we love the taste too? Growing up I developed a taste for Bacon and sometimes a ham sandwich. Even my Orthodox Rabbi sometimes laments that he misses the taste of ham. Some of us dont eat it just because HE {G-d} told us not to. It is not that we dont like ham or bacon, it is that we place his will before our will.

Whether or not it is wrong for you to eat it is none of my business. I was just wondering why it is necessary to discuss it in front of those who may have a yetzer hara for ham.

muman613

PS: That Chicken does look quite tastey. Is this your hobby or your work?
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: mord on August 05, 2008, 03:30:48 PM
They had actually nothing there. Only a few gems.  :(

Are the prices in the USA for groceries higher, equal or less?
About the same they charge alot for food these days
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: mord on August 05, 2008, 03:32:50 PM
Muman, I am not Jewish, so it is not forbidden for me. ;)

Here is something that that you will like more:

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3313/cakemn0.jpg)
The cake I bought today

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/701/chickenuo2.jpg)
The chicken I have prepared with white pepper, salt and a herb mix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbes_de_Provence)

I like it simple and you have the real taste of the chicken. Very good  :P :P :P


Thats in Euros now ;D yes if you go to the baker late all the stuff is gone they now prepare bread and cake for tommorow

Shalom Pheasant,

I dont doubt that. But dont you think we love the taste too? Growing up I developed a taste for Bacon and sometimes a ham sandwich. Even my Orthodox Rabbi sometimes laments that he misses the taste of ham. Some of us dont eat it just because HE {G-d} told us not to. It is not that we dont like ham or bacon, it is that we place his will before our will.

Whether or not it is wrong for you to eat it is none of my business. I was just wondering why it is necessary to discuss it in front of those who may have a yetzer hara for ham.

muman613

you yearn for Bacon i had kosher franks anf potatoes for lunch  :)
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: MasterWolf1 on August 05, 2008, 03:37:09 PM
Here is to the mighty chickens!

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z29/DramaGLB/chicken.jpg)

(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd314/Bamaswrill/Mychickens23.gif)

(http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd314/Bamaswrill/MyCHICKENS145.jpg)

Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 03:51:15 PM
Yes Muman you are right. I don't wanted to make your the test harder.

I don't thought about the problem while writing.

I make a photo of the roasted chicken to bring you on other thoughts. I have even looked in the ofen and I saw it is nearly ready.  :)

P.S.: I have a great substitution of ham.

Take a sweet white bread and combine it with very fresh smoked wild salmon (salmon from farms has not the consistence). Then put some black pepper on it. I like to add some rémoulade and sometimes a hard cooked egg.

I like to drink to it some black tea with cream and rock sugar.
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 03:52:49 PM
They had actually nothing there. Only a few gems.  :(

Are the prices in the USA for groceries higher, equal or less?
About the same they charge alot for food these days

Nice to know.
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 03:58:43 PM
(http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7738/chicken2wv9.jpg)

The white is only the salt. But I don't eat all today evening. The half is enough. Otherwise I will sleep bad.  ;D
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: muman613 on August 05, 2008, 04:01:06 PM
Yes Muman you are right. I don't wanted to make your the test harder.

I don't thought about the problem while writing.

I make a photo of the roasted chicken to bring you on other thoughts. I have even looked in the ofen and I saw it is nearly ready.  :)

P.S.: I have a great substitution of ham.

Take a sweet white bread and combine it with very fresh smoked wild salmon (salmon from farms has not the consistence). Then put some black pepper on it. I like to add some rémoulade and sometimes a hard cooked egg.

I like to drink to it some black tea with cream and rock sugar.

Thank you very much Pheasant. I dont think you said it to be rude or be obnoxious. It is difficult when a man wants to return to his faith and has to give up some of the pleasures in life. Sure, it would be fun to drive around on Saturday, go on a picnic or on a hike. But we cannot drive on Shabbat. The lesson we learn is that we have control over what we do, what we eat, where we go, etc. This is Kosher, this is not Kosher. This is the beginning of the Sabbath, this is the end of the Sabbath. One of the prime lessons from Passover is that Freedom doesn't mean the freedom to do anything you want, it is the freedom from being mental and physical slaves to this world. Once again the conflict of Gevurah VS Chessed [The balance of Strength/Limitation against Infinite Kindness].

Your meals look very inviting. You know a Jew loves food, eh?  :P

muman613
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 04:02:47 PM
Thank you. I love food & wine too.  :)
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Rubystars on August 05, 2008, 04:29:20 PM
That cake and chicken looked really good :)  :P I hope you enjoy it!
Title: Re: Swiss hate German Human rights group
Post by: Ulli on August 05, 2008, 04:31:17 PM
That cake and chicken looked really good :)  :P I hope you enjoy it!

Yes but I only eat one small pice of cake and some chicken. The rest is in the refrigerator.

It tasted divine.  :)