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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: muman613 on August 07, 2008, 05:02:22 PM
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Shalom,
I love my brother, Rabbi Moshe of Tzfat, so much. I pray for him every day because he lives in a place where missiles are coming down. He is a very special Rabbi who works hard to get the word of the Torah out to the people of the world. He runs several web sites which teach about Chassidic Judaism. I believe he is a breslover {as I think my family was}. His outlook on life is so beautiful and he has a wonderful voice. Please check out some of his videos from youtube.
Jewish Meditation & Kabbalah Class 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc8IGfmzgvM
Live Succah Music Concert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leT5fW1gCRE
Bombings going over my head in Tzfat, Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veU1VHGwQqA
Charity Tzaddakah by Rebbe Moshe of Tzfat Israel, Jewish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EvwC8u-5Jg
Jewish Torah Being a WARRIOR for Hashem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHkl5YH43vo
Chassidus, Being Humble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJ9AGVVr_c
Good Evening,
muman613
PS: Sorry about the audio quality, it seems he hasnt got the sound recording down yet.
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I know Reb Moshe of Tzfat personally and although he is very sincere and his heart is in the right place, I don't beleive his worldview, jewishly speaking is complete and whole.
If you want to understand the way forward please check out these classes on the writings of the great jewish thinker Shabbetai ben dov.
Enjoy, listen carefully. They may save the national life of the Jewish people if understood properly and acted upon
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714131/e8efa287/ShbenDov-Questions-Shemitta-Ephrath-03-01-5768--8-04-2008.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714142/3ea765fa/ShbenDov-1.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714144/d7c4c0cf/ShBenDov-II_p_392-20-13-5768--26-03-2008.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714171/8c836783/ShBenDov-IIp392--20-13-5768-26-02-2008-part_2.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714198/6bdcf2a9/ShbenDov-II-p394-397-01-01-5768--06-04-2008.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714207/28e7ea28/ShbenDov-II-pp394-396-ephrath-03-01-5768-08-04-2008.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714213/36911f70/ShbenDov-Intro-1.html
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I know Reb Moshe of Tzfat personally and although he is very sincere and his heart is in the right place, I don't beleive his worldview, jewishly speaking is complete and whole.
If you want to understand the way forward please check out these classes on the writings of the great jewish thinker Shabbetai ben dov.
Enjoy, listen carefully. They may save the national life of the Jewish people if understood properly and acted upon
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714131/e8efa287/ShbenDov-Questions-Shemitta-Ephrath-03-01-5768--8-04-2008.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714142/3ea765fa/ShbenDov-1.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714144/d7c4c0cf/ShBenDov-II_p_392-20-13-5768--26-03-2008.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714171/8c836783/ShBenDov-IIp392--20-13-5768-26-02-2008-part_2.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714198/6bdcf2a9/ShbenDov-II-p394-397-01-01-5768--06-04-2008.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714207/28e7ea28/ShbenDov-II-pp394-396-ephrath-03-01-5768-08-04-2008.html
http://www.2shared.com/file/3714213/36911f70/ShbenDov-Intro-1.html
judeanoncapta,
Very interesting. I am researching this Rabbi Dov Ber {which is whom I assume you are reffering to}. My family is from Uman and I believe we followed Rabbi Nachman in his Breslov Chassidus. I realize there was a split in Chassidus in the 18th century. Rabbi Nachman was the great grandson of the Baal Shem Tov. I have nothing against any of Chassidus and try to integrate learning from Tanya with learning from Likutey Moran. I am familiar with other great Ravs including the Maggid
I would be interested to know what it is you find wrong with Breslov understanding?
muman613
http://www.aish.com/literacy/jewishhistory/Crash_Course_in_Jewish_History_Part_52_-_The_Hassidic_Movement.asp
PS: I think I know what you are saying. This rabbi is more pro-active in defending Israel. It seems to not be Reb Moshes main thrust. But I think that winning in the great war will require two traits, one {in my opinion the most important} is trust in Hashem, and second will be the skills and tools needed to fight the war.
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I don't think there is anything WRONG with Breslov understanding, just that it is not complete and whole in it's understanding of the nature of Jewish nationhood..
It's kind of like a car with no wheels on it. It may have a beautiful carborator and spark plug and a brand new engine but with no wheels, you won't get anywhere.
I hope you enjoy these classes and it's not Rabbi Dov Ber, it is Shabbetai Ben Dov. Two completely different people.
Please ask me if you have any questions or comments or objections, they are all welcome.
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What exactly is the Breslov philosophy, in short? I don't know anything about what this denomination (not sure if that is the right word, but you know what I mean) of Chasidim believes. Do they sincerely love all of their Jewish brothers and sisters like the Lubavitchim?
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What exactly is the Breslov philosophy, in short? I don't know anything about what this denomination (not sure if that is the right word, but you know what I mean) of Chasidim believes. Do they sincerely love all of their Jewish brothers and sisters like the Lubavitchim?
They're less of a "group" and more of a ecstatic religious renewal philosophy. You should see the sinceriity and fervor with which these people pray for hours upon hours every day. It is quite astounding.
As far as loving their brothers and sisters, let me say this. Breslov has taken off like a wildfire in Judea where I live. There is hardly a religious zionist community that does not incorporate some breslov teachings or synagogue in which Breslov books are not present. It is seen less as a group and more of a way of snapping jewish people out of apathy and into ecstatic prayer and repentance.
I think they are very positive group of teachings that can be incorporated in many varied "groups" but I don't think it is the answer to the physical problems of the Jewish nation living in their land. I think Shabbetai Ben Dov's teachings are.
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What exactly is the Breslov philosophy, in short? I don't know anything about what this denomination (not sure if that is the right word, but you know what I mean) of Chasidim believes. Do they sincerely love all of their Jewish brothers and sisters like the Lubavitchim?
CF,
Yes, the Breslov outlook is that through joy we come closer to Hashem. Rabbi Nachman taught much enlightening Torah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breslov_%28Hasidic_dynasty%29
The Breslov approach places great emphasis on serving God through the sincerity of the heart, with much joy and living life as intensely as possible. Its Hasidim see Torah life as the means to a joyful existence, and their approach to worship is very personalized and emotional, with much clapping, singing, and dancing. Rabbi Nachman said, "It's a great mitzvah (commandment) to always be happy." Even in the Nazi concentration camps, the Breslovers strove to find joy in life.
Rebbe Nachman also placed great emphasis on Jewish prayer. Besides the regular daily services in the synagogue, Rebbe Nachman advised his followers to engage in hitbodedut (literally, "self-seclusion") on a daily basis. In this distinctively Breslov practice, the individual Hasid engages in a free-flowing verbal communication with God for one hour a day. During hitbodedut, the individual pours out his thoughts and concerns in his mother tongue, as if talking to a close personal friend. The goal is to establish a close, personal relationship with God and a clearer understanding of one's personal motives and goals.
A few Breslovers also use a form of mantra meditation by repeating a word or phrase over and over. Rebbe Nachman himself used the phrase, Ribono Shel Olam ("Master of the Universe" — i.e., God), which he pronounced with the Yiddish intonation as: Ree-boy-noy shell oy-lahm. (Some say that the Yiddish pronunciation allows one to pour every possible emotion into the "oy" syllables). A small group of modern-day Breslovers use the Na Nach Nachma mantra, which is based on the Hebrew letters of Nachman's name. This mantra was not used by Rebbe Nachman himself, but was taught in the 20th century by Rabbi Yisroel Ber Odesser. However, this group is not part of mainstream Breslov, and is rejected by most adherents.
Rabbi Nachman always maintained that his high spiritual level was due to his own efforts, and not to his famous lineage or any other circumstances of his birth. He repeatedly insisted that all Jews could reach the same level as he, and spoke out very strongly against those who thought that the main reason for a Rebbe's greatness was the superior level of his soul (see Rabbi Nachman's Wisdom, Kaplan English edition, page 29).
http://www.breslovworld.com
muman613
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I agree with Judea. Rebbe Nachman is great, his teachings are very good and very deep- Just read his Likutei Moharan. BUT at the same time some of the followers take his teachings (that were given 200 years ago) and apply or (better yett leave other things out) and say that we will merit the redemption through happiness (BeSimcha), and use that as the main thing, and at the same time something more then that is left out.
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I don't think there is anything WRONG with Breslov understanding, just that it is not complete and whole in it's understanding of the nature of Jewish nationhood..
It's kind of like a car with no wheels on it. It may have a beautiful carborator and spark plug and a brand new engine but with no wheels, you won't get anywhere.
I hope you enjoy these classes and it's not Rabbi Dov Ber, it is Shabbetai Ben Dov. Two completely different people.
Please ask me if you have any questions or comments or objections, they are all welcome.
Shalom,
I realized that shortly after I began to listen to him. It sounds very inspiring for our zionistic goals. I sometimes wonder if it would be best to bring Rabbi Nachman home to Eretz Yisroel or let him stay in Uman where he wanted to be buried. I am sure if he were alive today he would want to be in Eretz Yisroel.
muman613
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I don't think there is anything WRONG with Breslov understanding, just that it is not complete and whole in it's understanding of the nature of Jewish nationhood..
It's kind of like a car with no wheels on it. It may have a beautiful carborator and spark plug and a brand new engine but with no wheels, you won't get anywhere.
I hope you enjoy these classes and it's not Rabbi Dov Ber, it is Shabbetai Ben Dov. Two completely different people.
Please ask me if you have any questions or comments or objections, they are all welcome.
Shalom,
I realized that shortly after I began to listen to him. It sounds very inspiring for our zionistic goals. I sometimes wonder if it would be best to bring Rabbi Nachman home to Eretz Yisroel or let him stay in Uman where he wanted to be buried. I am sure if he were alive today he would want to be in Eretz Yisroel.
muman613
While he was alive he said "Wherever I am going im on my way to Israel". He also visited Israel for some time. And his teachings AFTER his visit to Israel are concidered on a higher level. One thing though, that is problematic is Jews leaving Israel and going to Uman on Rosh Hashana (because Rebe Nachman promised that whoever goes to his grave, says the 10 Psalms (Tikkun Haklali) and gives a small coin to charity, then he will protect them. So they say that since he is the one who gave this promise then people can and should go to Uman, while I think that their are A lot of Tzaddikim in Israel, and if one wants to go to a gravesite then can go to many other places, and not leave to Ukraine.
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I don't think there is anything WRONG with Breslov understanding, just that it is not complete and whole in it's understanding of the nature of Jewish nationhood..
It's kind of like a car with no wheels on it. It may have a beautiful carborator and spark plug and a brand new engine but with no wheels, you won't get anywhere.
I hope you enjoy these classes and it's not Rabbi Dov Ber, it is Shabbetai Ben Dov. Two completely different people.
Please ask me if you have any questions or comments or objections, they are all welcome.
Shalom,
I realized that shortly after I began to listen to him. It sounds very inspiring for our zionistic goals. I sometimes wonder if it would be best to bring Rabbi Nachman home to Eretz Yisroel or let him stay in Uman where he wanted to be buried. I am sure if he were alive today he would want to be in Eretz Yisroel.
muman613
While he was alive he said "Wherever I am going im on my way to Israel". He also visited Israel for some time. And his teachings AFTER his visit to Israel are concidered on a higher level. One thing though, that is problematic is Jews leaving Israel and going to Uman on Rosh Hashana (because Rebe Nachman promised that whoever goes to his grave, says the 10 Psalms (Tikkun Haklali) and gives a small coin to charity, then he will protect them. So they say that since he is the one who gave this promise then people can and should go to Uman, while I think that their are A lot of Tzaddikim in Israel, and if one wants to go to a gravesite then can go to many other places, and not leave to Ukraine.
The reason the Rebbe wanted to be buried in Uman was because he wanted to be with the righteous Jews who were massacred in Uman during the Massacre of Uman in 1768 { http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Uman } . He considered them martyrs for the Jewish people.
muman613
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"The reason the Rebbe wanted to be buried in Uman was because he wanted to be with the righteous Jews who were massacred in Uman during the Massacre of Uman in 1768 { http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Uman } . He considered them martyrs for the Jewish people."
I know that. (He said that the people their were waiting for the Tikkun he could bring them- the Myrids of Myrids of souls there).
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They're less of a "group" and more of a ecstatic religious renewal philosophy. You should see the sinceriity and fervor with which these people pray for hours upon hours every day. It is quite astounding.
As far as loving their brothers and sisters, let me say this. Breslov has taken off like a wildfire in Judea where I live. There is hardly a religious zionist community that does not incorporate some breslov teachings or synagogue in which Breslov books are not present. It is seen less as a group and more of a way of snapping jewish people out of apathy and into ecstatic prayer and repentance.
I think they are very positive group of teachings that can be incorporated in many varied "groups" but I don't think it is the answer to the physical problems of the Jewish nation living in their land. I think Shabbetai Ben Dov's teachings are.
Then they sound somewhat like the Charismatic wing of Christianity, which has its own pluses and minuses to it, but that's besides the point. Any Jewish group that loves its country and its brothers and sisters and wants to bring them all closer to G-d is holy in my eyes. (Obviously I am not qualified to comment on their technical particulars.)