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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: schrodinger's cat on September 13, 2008, 10:42:22 PM
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SIR Paul McCartney has been threatened that he will be the target of suicide bombers unless he abandons plans to play his first concert in Israel.
Self-styled preacher of hate Omar Bakri claimed the former Beatle’s decision to take part in the Jewish state’s 60th anniversary celebrations had made him an enemy of all Muslims.
Sources said Sir Paul was shocked but refused to be intimidated.
In an interview with Israeli media yesterday he said: “I was approached by different groups and political bodies who asked me not to come here. I refused. I do what I think and I have many friends who support Israel.”
Sir Paul, 65, should have gone to Israel with the Beatles in 1965 but they were barred by the Jewish nation’s government over fears they would corrupt young people.
Yesterday a number of websites described him as an infidel and suggested he was going to Israel only because of the reported £2.3m fee for the one-off concert.
A message posted on one website said: “Shame on you Paul McCartney for day trippin’ to apartheid Israel” and vowed never to buy his music again.
Bakri, who made his weekly internet broadcast to fellow extremists from his home in Lebanon, where he has lived in exile since being banned from returning to Britain, said Sir Paul was “making more enemies than friends”.
Syrian-born Bakri, 48, went on: “I heard today that the pop star Paul McCartney is playing as a part of the celebrations.
“If you speak about the holocaust and its authenticity never being proved historically in the way the Jewish community portray it, people will arrest you. People will you say you should not speak like this. Yet they go and celebrate the anniversary of 60 years of what?
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/61355/Sir-Paul-Terror-target
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No big loss if he dies but if jews are killed the muslims must be killed
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No big loss if he dies but if jews are killed the muslims must be killed
What do you have against Paul McCartney?
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What do you have against Paul McCartney.
I don't like him or the Beatles
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I don't like him or the Beatles
For musical reasons?
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For musical reasons?
Yes I never liked him or John lennon
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No big loss if he dies but if jews are killed the muslims must be killed
I don't really like him either but i wouldnt want him to be suicide bombed.
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I don't really like him either but i wouldnt want him to be suicide bombed.
What you want the guy who killed lennon to kill him?
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Tomorrow never knows...
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Yes I never liked him or John lennon
Do you dislike their music, their politics or both?
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Do you dislike their music, their politics or both?
More there politics
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More there politics
I agree with you on that.
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I agree with you on that?
Are you asking yourself?
Now that I wrote a 3 sentence reply, i've upped the intellectual ante of the thread, people might get even more confused. Or they might be forced to think, G-d forbid.
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Are you asking yourself?
Now that I wrote a 3 sentence reply, i've upped the intellectual ante of the thread, people might get even more confused. Or they might be forced to think, G-d forbid.
That was a mistype.
I'm drinking.
Your mother...
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How do these beasts tick? I mean really, what possesses them to care if some musician wants have a concert in Israel?
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No big loss if he dies but if jews are killed the muslims must be killed
What, we're going to start trashing Paul McCartney now? Paul has never been that political, although he's very pro-America and organized the benefit "Concert for New York City" which raised money for the FDNY after 911. And he's still going to perform in Israel despite protests from Islamic hate groups.
McCartney is pretty benign as rock stars go. He's written some of the great music of our time including Yesterday and Penny Lane. You neither have to be a fan of McCartney or the Beatles, but to make a statement like "no big loss if he dies" is truly pathetic. Do you feel the same way about all non-Jews? And members wonder why people get turned off to JTF.
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Americanhero, you caught an anti-semite(clearly, "Sparky" - see his last sentence in above post).
Congratulations!
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Quranimals ::)
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McCartney has always been my favorite Beatle. He has been threatened with his life for performing in Israel and in spite of many who have told him to cancel his appearance, he has steadfastly resolved to perform despite it all. I've never had as much respect for McCartney as I have for him now, and he should be commended for his decision. More power to you Paul, and let the Islamists eat Shiiite.
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These muslims want to terrorize little Israel and hurt their tourism. This is why Chaim needs to take control of Israel and someone like Vito should take control of the United States. (with some JTFers in the senate of course)
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Americanhero, you caught an antisemitic(clearly, "Sparky" - see his last sentence in above post).
Congratulations!
What are you talking about? How is pointing out Americanhero's stupid remark "No big loss if he dies but if jews are killed the muslims must be killed" antisemitic? If anything, I'm trying to prevent antisemitism by attempting to prevent more foolish statements like this being posted on the forum.
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What are you talking about? How is pointing out Americanhero's stupid remark "No big loss if he dies but if jews are killed the muslims must be killed" antisemitic? If anything, I'm trying to prevent antisemitism by attempting to prevent more foolish statements like this being posted on the forum.
I said people should look at your(sparky's) last sentence to spot that you're an anti-semite
I will paste your paragraph.
Look at the last sentence. This was in response to Americanhero, who made his comment (the obviously dumb and childish and retarded and sick -unjustified and baseless- comment) about Paul McCartney. But let's look at your response, that is what I was commenting on.
here is your paragraph.. I put 2 carriage returns in there.
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McCartney is pretty benign as rock stars go. He's written some of the great music of our time including Yesterday and Penny Lane. You neither have to be a fan of McCartney or the Beatles,
but to make a statement like "no big loss if he dies" is truly pathetic. Do you feel the same way about all non-Jews? And members wonder why people get turned off to JTF.
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Now,let's look after that 2 carriage returns
sparky said
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but to make a statement like "no big loss if he dies" is truly pathetic
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Indeed. (and that is the context for your following comment.
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Do you feel the same way about all non-Jews? And members wonder why people get turned off to JTF.
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You sparky, have been caught red handed.
Americanhero expresses some sick view against Paul McCartney. And you immediately assume
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a)Americanhero is jewish
b)That this is some kind of idea jews or some jews would have against McCartney because he is gentile. And that jews or jews like americanhero view all or many gentiles with this contempt/don't value them in this manner.
I will give an analogy, it's quite a different case, very different, but there is te similarity in assuming somebody is jewish, for a significant reason.
Writer for The Sun, Richard Littlejohn did a program on anti-semitism. (alot more intelligent than americanhero's comment). And people then said "oh, I didn't know you were jewish".
As if, you have to be jewish to be fighting against anti-semitism.
He spoke to a gentile that headed a govt commission against anti-semitism, and the man said he had had exactly the same thing.
For you to see that americanhero didn't like paul mccartney and think this is some jewish anti gentile mentality, you obviously believe that many jews feel that way. That it's a problem endemic in the jewish community. That -some- jews feel that way. I haven't met any. Only a young person on an internet forum, a young person that isn't even jewish. . Yet you still drew the conclusions that you drew. Conclusions that you already believed.
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Americanhero expresses some sick view against Paul McCartney. And you immediately assume
that
a)Americanhero is jewish
b)That this is some kind of idea Jews or some Jews would have against McCartney because he is gentile. And that Jews or Jews like view all or many gentiles with this contempt/don't value them in this manner.
At least you agree that Americanhero's statement was foolish. I'll give you that.
Now, regarding point a):
This site is called the Jewish Task Force. Do you really think it's a stretch that someone might assume Americanhero is Jewish? I've been following JTF for years and know not every member is Jewish. But surely you would agree, in light of his statement, it's only natural that someone would assume that Americanhero is Jewish. And those new to JTF would definitely think this. Of course, whether Jewish or gentile, the statement is equally inappropriate.
Regarding point b):
As far as "Jews..view all or many gentiles with this contempt/don't value them in this manner", that's exactly what Americanhero is inferring with the statement "but if Jews are killed then...". Whether he meant it or not, that is how it is interpreted. It says what it says. It's not as if I'm trying to read something into it.
Bottom line is that when you read Americanhero's comment, it is natural to assume that this is a Jew who believes that gentiles are not as valued as Jews. And since JTF certainly doesn't want to alienate righteous gentiles, Americanhero should be called on it, which I did. So rather than wasting your time making laughable accusations at long time JTF supporters like myself, try focusing your criticisms on members like Americanhero who obviously need to be more careful about what they post.
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At least you agree that Americanhero's statement was foolish. I'll give you that.
Now, regarding point a):
This site is called the Jewish Task Force. Do you really think it's a stretch that someone might assume Americanhero is Jewish? I've been following JTF for years and know not every member is Jewish. But surely you would agree, in light of his statement, it's only natural that someone would assume that Americanhero is Jewish. And those new to JTF would definitely think this. Of course, whether Jewish or gentile, the statement is equally inappropriate.
Regarding point b):
As far as "Jews..view all or many gentiles with this contempt/don't value them in this manner", that's exactly what Americanhero is inferring with the statement "but if Jews are killed then...". Whether he meant it or not, that is how it is interpreted. It says what it says. It's not as if I'm trying to read something into it.
Bottom line is that when you read Americanhero's comment, it is natural to assume that this is a Jew who believes that gentiles are not as valued as Jews. And since JTF certainly doesn't want to alienate righteous gentiles, Americanhero should be called on it, which I did. So rather than wasting your time making laughable accusations at long time JTF supporters like myself, try focusing your criticisms on members like Americanhero who obviously need to be more careful about what they post.
Who said I was Jewish :o
So what I said no big loss if he dies that is my opinion I dont care if you like it
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At least you agree that Americanhero's statement was foolish. I'll give you that.
I didn't say it was foolish, I used the words I used, and it's not the issue I am discussing with you.
Now, regarding point a):
This site is called the Jewish Task Force. Do you really think it's a stretch that someone might assume Americanhero is Jewish? I've been following JTF for years and know not every member is Jewish. But surely you would agree, in light of his statement, it's only natural that someone would assume that Americanhero is Jewish. And those new to JTF would definitely think this. Of course, whether Jewish or gentile, the statement is equally inappropriate.
Regarding point b):
As far as "Jews..view all or many gentiles with this contempt/don't value them in this manner", that's exactly what Americanhero is inferring with the statement "but if Jews are killed then...". Whether he meant it or not, that is how it is interpreted. It says what it says. It's not as if I'm trying to read something into it.
Bottom line is that when you read Americanhero's comment, it is natural to assume that this is a Jew who believes that gentiles are not as valued as Jews. And since JTF certainly doesn't want to alienate righteous gentiles, Americanhero should be called on it, which I did. So rather than wasting your time making laughable accusations at long time JTF supporters like myself, try focusing your criticisms on members like Americanhero who obviously need to be more careful about what they post.
No, it's not "natural to assume that this is a Jew who believes that gentiles are not as valued as Jews"
It's only natural to assume that, if you believe that jews believe that.
He writes one or two stupid sentences that are brief and brainless and aren't worthy of any analysis and clearly don't have any kind of philosophy behind them.
If you had the slightest grain of wisdom, you wouldn't have bothered analysing anything he said or asking him anything philosophical like that, and you might have posted something like I did in page1 of the thread, which does infact underpin any critical reply to anything said before it, all of it stupid, by a number of people.
And his stupid comment was one of those. But I did reply, in page1, for those that are intelligent enough to see it, obviously you aren't, because you missed it. And with a little wisdom you'd understand why I didn't "confront" them the way you have in mind.
And if you had the slightest grain of logic and insight, you wouldn't have made the assumption(s) you did. Assumptions that you think are "natural".
I could reply more fully, but there are certain things that I don't want to spell out more than I am, and the wise may understand what they are. Infact, to the wise, it is so obvious from what i've said, they would think I already said it anyway.
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I like Paul McCartney and wouldn't want to see him killed. On the other hand, I think the only thing that MIGHT wake up the leftists to the muslim threat is the murder of their celebrities.
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I'm confused...
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No, it's not "natural to assume that this is a Jew who believes that gentiles are not as valued as Jews"
Yeah, it is. What's unnatural is your inability to recognize, or at least admit, his statement could be interpreted this way. I tell you what. Ask some of your gentile friends what they think of the statement. If they do see it as I see it, you lose and I win. And don't forget to call them antisemites.
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Yeah, it is. What's unnatural is your inability to recognize, or at least admit, his statement could be interpreted this way. I tell you what. Ask some of your gentile friends what they think of the statement. If they do see it as I see it, you lose and I win. And don't forget to call them antisemites.
Why don't you ask some of your more intelligent friends to read the thread, read my response to you and explain it to you.
If they knew that JTF has many young members, many not jewish. And they read the thread, and pick up things that an intelligent person would notice, besides just that particular statement. Then if they had anything between their ears, they would have agreed with my conclusions entirely, or at least understand them and respond intelligently. And they would not have assumed that americanhero was jewish, or that he had "that" "philosophy".
And even if you didn't know JTF had many young or "young" members, it's possible to see that just looking at the thread. Infact, one doesn't need to see the following to avoid your assumptions, but if they knew a little about jews, they would even see that he and a few other posters here most likely weren't jewish. Even a gentile here, not an intelligent one, a non thinking one, once pointed out that jews are usually quite eloquent / have a high verbal IQ.
Now, at this rate, i'm not going to continue the discussion with you, since your post to me showed that you clearly didn't grasp my response to you. And as I said in that response, there are good reasons why I won't be breaking it down/ spelling it out any further.
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Why don't you ask some of your more intelligent friends to read the thread, read my response to you and explain it to you.
If they knew that JTF has many young members, many not jewish. And they read the thread, and pick up things that an intelligent person would notice, besides just that particular statement. Then if they had anything between their ears, they would have agreed with my conclusions entirely, or at least understand them and respond intelligently. And they would not have assumed that americanhero was jewish, or that he had "that" "philosophy".
And even if you didn't know JTF had many young or "young" members, it's possible to see that just looking at the thread. Infact, one doesn't need to see the following to avoid your assumptions, but if they knew a little about jews, they would even see that he and a few other posters here most likely weren't jewish. Even a gentile here, not an intelligent one, a non thinking one, once pointed out that jews are usually quite eloquent / have a high verbal IQ.
Now, at this rate, i'm not going to continue the discussion with you, since your post to me showed that you clearly didn't grasp my response to you. And as I said in that response, there are good reasons why I won't be breaking it down/ spelling it out any further.
q_q_, I think you misunderstood Sparky's remark.
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What, we're going to start trashing Paul McCartney now? Paul has never been that political, although he's very pro-America and organized the benefit "Concert for New York City" which raised money for the FDNY after 911. And he's still going to perform in Israel despite protests from Islamic hate groups.
McCartney is pretty benign as rock stars go. He's written some of the great music of our time including Yesterday and Penny Lane. You neither have to be a fan of McCartney or the Beatles, but to make a statement like "no big loss if he dies" is truly pathetic. Do you feel the same way about all non-Jews? And members wonder why people get turned off to JTF.
Good post. That was a lopsided viewpoint for sure. And "muslims should be killed" if Paul McCartney is murdered. Why even bother to go after the killers....oh, they are muslims. I recall when John Lennon was murdered and it was upsetting whether you like him, his politics, his music...................the original post is NUTS and irrational.
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Good post. That was a lopsided viewpoint for sure. And "muslims should be killed" if Paul McCartney is murdered. Why even bother to go after the killers....oh, they are muslims. I recall when John Lennon was murdered and it was upsetting whether you like him, his politics, his music...................the original post is NUTS and irrational.
Thank you I am nuts :crazy:
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Thank you I am nuts :crazy:
I have been trying to get someone to listen to me for several months now.
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I have been trying to get someone to listen to me for several months now.
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In the forum or the church? :laugh:
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In the forum or the church? :laugh:
Both
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Are you serious??? :'(
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Are you serious??? :'(
:laugh: :::D :P :dance:
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You two have too much fun to want each other to leave. :o
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as long as you're having fun....i didn't say you were nuts....just the post. i remember you...you gave me a warm welcome when i first posted. :)
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I'll say he's nuts!!
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I'll say he's nuts!!
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well, americanhero, despite some of your posts, it's clear that you're a very intelligent capable and experienced fighter, and that's a hell of a talent and a skill.
and it also suggests that you have other things sorted out as well, like good eating habits, and health.
so you have a perfect winning combination there.
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well, americanhero, despite some of your posts, it's clear that you're a very intelligent capable and experienced fighter, and that's a hell of a talent and a skill.
q_q_, please we must talk. You go and give him a compliment and in one comment you have destroyed weeks of effort. It's like feeding a lost puppy. He will just keep coming back.
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Sparky, I don't think you're an anti-Semite.
There are people that will misinterpret the 'no big loss if he dies' statement.
Just because you pointed out a common belief of anti-Semites, doesn't mean you subscribe to it.
Now, to get to the heart of the matter regarding McCartney coming to perform in Israel during the 60th anniverary celebration;
Whether you like McCartney's music or not (I happen to think the Beatles were fantastic artists, responsible for some incredibly great music)...Whether you like the political and cultural influence the Beatles exerted during their heyday (I think this was mostly negative).....
The point is McCartney is showing support for Israel, and refuses to back down to Islamic threats against himself for doing so. There are those that will say that McCartney is doing it only for the money, but I doubt that's the case, because he's already a billionaire.
You don't have to like McCartney's music or all of his politics to commend him when he gets something right.
Paul's willingness to say he supports Israel, (even though I can guarantee you his idea of a political solution to the Arab/Israeli conflict would make any JTF'er want to puke) and refusal to cancel his appearance despite Islamic threats is commendable and admirable.
Thank you, Paul.
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q_q_, please we must talk. You go and give him a compliment and in one comment you have destroyed weeks of effort. It's like feeding a lost puppy. He will just keep coming back.
I'm not willing to turn my comment into a laughing matter.
When I said he was an intelligent fighter, I was not referring to his posts. So I don't think it would encourage him to post silly things.
If anything, pointing out that he is a very intelligent fighter and master of his health, if he didn't already know it, it might encourage him in that regard.