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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: P J C on September 27, 2008, 11:42:35 PM
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Shalom JTF,
Each time I visit the site, I type into google (JTF.org). The link to our homepage comes up. Underneath is it has a link to an article called "Ann Coulter, We love you". Shall we terminate this article from JTF, due to her recent remarks about Judaism? Or should we leave it?
Thank You,
ProJewChristian
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What did she say about Judaism?
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Those are old articles and as you can see from those articles she is very much in line with our views here at JTF however we do not endorse her comments and we oppose those kinds of views. Ann Coulter has made a career out of career ending statements that being one of them. I am not a big fan of hers after those comments but I do agree with her more often then not because she is a true right winger
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Shalom,
I never liked Coulter because she just says stoopid stuff. Why bother with someone like her who is so into her own image. I dont think she cares about anyone but her own butt. Selfish, snooty, and dumb beotch in my book...
muman613
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here is a thread where it was discussed..
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,9654.0.html
she was interviewed by some slimy secular jewish leftist(one can see on youtube), who gave her a real informal chat, asking her about her dream world.. He pushed her onto more personal questions, and she answered honestly, she said that in an ideal dream world, which is what he was asking about, everybody would be christian. She said other things too about politics, but he pushed her on her christian beliefs. He said he "as a jew" found what she said offensive. She then explained it further, and told him she doesn't want him to be offended, and she outlined her belief that jews should either obey the law, or take the fast track and believe in jesus. She said that christians view themselves as perfect jews.
He was asking her, she told him.
Thing with liberals. Is that they are socialists, and they don't call themselves that because it would be political suicide. They hate religion. So they try to wipe it out with watered down versions, or nothing at all.
Many orthodox jews supported her, because we don't have a problem with what other people believe. As long as they leave us alone.
Some were offended.. Liberal jews were , or acted, extremely offended. Of course, one thing they would hate more than fundamentalist christianity, is Orthodox/Fundamentalist judaism.
It was an informal chat, not really like television , but of course it was on television. She was talking honestly and -very- OPENLY like she was talking to a friend.. But the guy was screwing her over.
Debbie Schlussel wrote a defence of her.. as others did. Most orthodox jews are fine with it.. Of course, as has been discussed.. Some rabbis hold that christianity is idolatry.. That could offend them but shouldn't. It's a belief that doesn't affect them.. Just as christians that believe jews are going to hell, it doesn't affect me.
Just as neturei karta - some of whose branches crazily stand with terrorists - they believe that the messiah will come and rule over israel , and it will be a jewish state. They admit it if asked, but it's a messianic belief that shouldn't bother those that don't believe in it, since they do nothing physical to bring it about, and want nothing more than to live under muslims until - they believe - a huge miracle will suddenly happen, it will all be peaceful and the whole world will recognise it.
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Shalom,
I never liked Coulter because she just says stoopid stuff. Why bother with someone like her who is so into her own image. I dont think she cares about anyone but her own butt. Selfish, snooty, and dumb beotch in my book...
muman613
Ann C, believe it or not, is a liberal feminist- moderate at best. She is only making these books to make $. She is not a conservative at all. THREE BROKEN engagements, I can see why.. she talks like Charlie Browns Teacher. WAAA WAAA WAAA WAAAA I saw her on a youtube, and this man had known her for decades, and went to school with her- he OWNED her- He said "Ann, come on! You are a liberal, you have been a liberal for over 20 years... she just swallowed HARD" Yep, shes a LIBERAL Repub, but they ALL ARE LIBERAL REPUBS NOW
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People like Coulter should not be put on a pedestal since they are human and not everything that comes out of their mouth will be words of wisdom. Coulter is good on some issues and off beat on others. I don't know what her religious background is but in all honesty I could care less what her ideal dream is as far as religion goes. She drives the liberals nuts and and makes a few bucks in the process. That works for me. Honestly her views on religion are not going to be taken seriously by anyone and she would do better to keep them to herself. Stick to politics Ann .......let the religious issues be handled by the pro's and you will be far better off.
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People like Coulter should not be put on a pedestal since they are human and not everything that comes out of their mouth will be words of wisdom. Coulter is good on some issues and off beat on others. I don't know what her religious background is but in all honesty I could care less what her ideal dream is as far as religion goes. She drives the liberals nuts and and makes a few bucks in the process. That works for me. Honestly her views on religion are not going to be taken seriously by anyone and she would do better to keep them to herself. Stick to politics Ann .......let the religious issues be handled by the pro's and you will be far better off.
I can agree CJD, she ought to get off of her HIGH HORSE. I cant STAND the witch. "Jews are 'un-perfected Christians" WHO DIED AND MADE HER THE GRAND POOBAH? Go suck an egg you ugly skinny WITCH, Robystars would be WAY better than Ann C
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Ann Coulter looks like a transexual. I don't know why Chaim said she was attractive?
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People like Coulter should not be put on a pedestal since they are human and not everything that comes out of their mouth will be words of wisdom. Coulter is good on some issues and off beat on others. I don't know what her religious background is but in all honesty I could care less what her ideal dream is as far as religion goes. She drives the liberals nuts and and makes a few bucks in the process. That works for me. Honestly her views on religion are not going to be taken seriously by anyone and she would do better to keep them to herself. Stick to politics Ann .......let the religious issues be handled by the pro's and you will be far better off.
I can agree CJD, she ought to get off of her HIGH HORSE. I cant STAND the witch. "Jews are 'un-perfected Christians" WHO DIED AND MADE HER THE GRAND POOBAH? Go suck an egg you ugly skinny WITCH, Robystars would be WAY better than Ann C
At least I don't have a prominent Adam's apple. I'm still curious to know if Ann C. is really a transsexual.
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Ann Coulter is attractive enough to get onto the television, so she's not bad.
She does have a masculine shaped head, but a masculine shaped head doth not a man make. She pulls it off. Some pull it off better, but she pulls it off.
It depends on what level you're judging her.
And on this forum there is this strange effect that the way a few here view a woman physically, varies with the woman's political comments and modesty, and has nothing to do with what she looks like at all.
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Ann Coulter is attractive enough to get onto the television, so she's not bad.
She does have a masculine shaped head, but a masculine shaped head doth not a man make. She pulls it off. Some pull it off better, but she pulls it off.
It depends on what level you're judging her.
And on this forum there is this strange effect that the way a few here view a woman physically, varies with the woman's political comments and modesty, and has nothing to do with what she looks like at all.
QQ I have my flaws too I was just trying to have a little fun. There has been serious speculation about her birth gender though.
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Ann Coulter is attractive enough to get onto the television, so she's not bad.
Rosie Odonald is on TV..
Ann Coulter is attractive enough to get onto the television, so she's not bad.
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from wikipedia:
"In October 2007, she began dating Andrew Stein, the former president of the New York City Council, a liberal Democrat.
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Ann Coulter is attractive enough to get onto the television, so she's not bad.
Rosie Odonald is on TV..
a comedian though.. that is a route ugly women get to TV . roseanne barr is another. In britain we've had Joe Brand.. Don't post a picture of her here. She's like Roseanne's uglier sister. Also a comedian though. Not a person that appears on news programs.
btw, these are just general rules, and I haven't seen much american tv..
I know that the female news reporters and female guests they have on to speak tend to be attractive, not ugly.
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http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=99&contentid=3225
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http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=99&contentid=3225
I BELIEVE it, even if its not true. :P
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You guys are stupider then the 9/11 conspiracy theorist.
She helped create the Cornell Review. She was a conservative activist before she even started writing books.
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You guys are stupider then the 9/11 conspiracy theorist.
She helped create the Cornell Review. She was a conservative activist before she even started writing books.
Your saying "STUPIDER"?
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You guys are stupider then the 9/11 conspiracy theorist.
She helped create the Cornell Review. She was a conservative activist before she even started writing books.
Your saying "STUPIDER"?
Its you're.
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You guys are stupider then the 9/11 conspiracy theorist.
She helped create the Cornell Review. She was a conservative activist before she even started writing books.
Your saying "STUPIDER"?
Its you're.
Ah. You got me. ;D
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http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=99&contentid=3225
I BELIEVE it, even if its not true. :P
Has anyone done real research into whether the Arthur Coltrane story is true or false?
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http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=99&contentid=3225
I BELIEVE it, even if its not true. :P
Has anyone done real research into whether the Arthur Coltrane story is true or false?
It's false...
Unless of course her father changed his last name to Coulter...
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here is a thread where it was discussed..
http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,9654.0.html
she was interviewed by some slimy secular jewish leftist(one can see on youtube), who gave her a real informal chat, asking her about her dream world.. He pushed her onto more personal questions, and she answered honestly, she said that in an ideal dream world, which is what he was asking about, everybody would be christian. She said other things too about politics, but he pushed her on her christian beliefs. He said he "as a jew" found what she said offensive. She then explained it further, and told him she doesn't want him to be offended, and she outlined her belief that jews should either obey the law, or take the fast track and believe in jesus. She said that christians view themselves as perfect jews.
He was asking her, she told him.
Thing with liberals. Is that they are socialists, and they don't call themselves that because it would be political suicide. They hate religion. So they try to wipe it out with watered down versions, or nothing at all.
Many orthodox jews supported her, because we don't have a problem with what other people believe. As long as they leave us alone.
Some were offended.. Liberal jews were , or acted, extremely offended. Of course, one thing they would hate more than fundamentalist christianity, is Orthodox/Fundamentalist judaism.
It was an informal chat, not really like television , but of course it was on television. She was talking honestly and -very- OPENLY like she was talking to a friend.. But the guy was screwing her over.
Debbie Schlussel wrote a defence of her.. as others did. Most orthodox jews are fine with it.. Of course, as has been discussed.. Some rabbis hold that christianity is idolatry.. That could offend them but shouldn't. It's a belief that doesn't affect them.. Just as christians that believe jews are going to hell, it doesn't affect me.
Just as neturei karta - some of whose branches crazily stand with terrorists - they believe that the messiah will come and rule over israel , and it will be a jewish state. They admit it if asked, but it's a messianic belief that shouldn't bother those that don't believe in it, since they do nothing physical to bring it about, and want nothing more than to live under muslims until - they believe - a huge miracle will suddenly happen, it will all be peaceful and the whole world will recognise it.
Regardless, if he is a slimy left wing Jew or not, I think she was obvious in the wrong and he did not really say much to trap her. Rather the arrogant, stiff-necked, closet anti-semite mouthed off her own belligerent head of what she really believed. The guy, slimy or not, was as pissed off as I woudl be for saying this crap. If she wasn't a woman , I like to.... >:( lol.. Screw Ann COultier.. SHe is a sham.. I am a more perfect Jew than this hermaphrodite zonah! She is also a pathetic religion theologian, she do better screwing liberals and having funny fantasies of her alone in the White House with Hillary and playing wit hher guns, than trying to make commentaries on religion, which she is totally ignorant on anyway. I picture a world, free of stupid, half-brained anti-semites,.
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Regardless, if he is a slimy left wing Jew or not, I think she was obvious in the wrong and he did not really say much to trap her. Rather the arrogant, stiff-necked, closet anti-semite mouthed off her own belligerent head of what she really believed. <snip>
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she stated her christian belief. The bulk of people offended were liberals, all of whome get upset if religious people tell them they're not following G-d's word e.t.c. He asked anyway!
Orthodox jews generally don't care if others believe they are going to hell. They just want to be left alone. Liberals want to change the pope's prayers!
She said that in christianity, regarding jews, they have to obey the law or be christian.
I don't find beliefs offensive, but that is actually the most unoffensive christian belief I have ever heard.. Can you imagine if Christians believed that hundreds of years ago?!!!! Europe would have been a haven for jews for 2000 years up to the holocaust, instead of the living hell that it was.
She could be offended by the position of some rabbis, that christianity is idolatry.
She was so open because she knows she is a likeable personality to any decent person.
She seems like a philo-semite to me. There is no closet anything in here. Especially not anti-semite!
JTF doesn't endorse her anymore though anyway
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What's with the Ann Coulter bashing all of a sudden? Why are we all attacking the one media personality who is staunchly defending John McCain and Sarah Palin? Who cares if she wants every single person on earth to convert to voodoo, Zoroastrianism, earth-worship, or whatever? She didn't voice any hatred whatsoever--she just gave her opinion. This happened over a year ago, from a woman whose entire career is built upon crazy, shocking statements. Are we not mature enough to consider the source?
Do you all really prefer Debbie Hussy--who just three days ago had the audacity to type that Joe Biden is better for the Jews than Palin? Would you all prefer obvious Obama surrogates like her, Savage, Buchanus, etc. to a personality who is actually telling people the right thing, on this issue?
This whole current argument is beyond absurd.
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What's with the Ann Coulter bashing all of a sudden? Why are we all attacking the one media personality who is staunchly defending John McCain and Sarah Palin? Who cares if she wants every single person on earth to convert to voodoo, Zoroastrianism, earth-worship, or whatever? She didn't voice any hatred whatsoever--she just gave her opinion. This happened over a year ago, from a woman whose entire career is built upon crazy, shocking statements. Are we not mature enough to consider the source?
Do you all really prefer Debbie Hussy--who just three days ago had the audacity to type that Joe Biden is better for the Jews than Palin? Would you all prefer obvious Obama surrogates like her, Savage, Buchanus, etc. to a personality who is actually telling people the right thing, on this issue?
This whole current argument is beyond absurd.
CF, the bottom line is that she slandered the Jewish people, I agree with much of what she says, but she needs to be called out on her comments. I think it would show ignorance and turn Jews off if we kept the pro- Coulter page up. I don't think we should attack her, but I also think we should not openly show support for someone who uncouthly slander our Allies, the Jewish people.
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CF, the bottom line is that she slandered the Jewish people, I agree with much of what she says, but she needs to be called out on her comments. I think it would show ignorance and turn Jews off if we kept the pro- Coulter page up. I don't think we should attack her, but I also think we should not openly show support for someone who uncouthly slander our Allies, the Jewish people.
Alot of jews were not offended. Liberals were most offended.
And be careful not to throw words around.
slander
"a false spoken statement about someone which damages their reputation, or the making of such a statement"
She did not do so. Unless you want to call her religious beliefs "false statements".
And she did not damage the reputation of any jews or anybody else.
If anything she damaged her own reputation, but nobody elses.
Infact, her religious beliefs stated in that program are about the most philo-semitic christian beliefs I have ever heard.
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CF, the bottom line is that she slandered the Jewish people, I agree with much of what she says, but she needs to be called out on her comments. I think it would show ignorance and turn Jews off if we kept the pro- Coulter page up. I don't think we should attack her, but I also think we should not openly show support for someone who uncouthly slander our Allies, the Jewish people.
Alot of jews were not offended. Liberals were most offended.
And be careful not to throw words around.
slander
"a false spoken statement about someone which damages their reputation, or the making of such a statement"
She did not do so. Unless you want to call her religious beliefs "false statements".
And she did not damage the reputation of any jews or anybody else.
If anything she damaged her own reputation, but nobody elses.
Infact, her religious beliefs stated in that program are about the most philo-semitic christian beliefs I have ever heard.
I think she needs 're-education' and quick. This woman just says things which [censored] me off more than any so called conservative talking head. I wish she would just go away, stick her head in the sand and wilt.
She besmirched the 9/11 widows shortly after 9/11 and since then I have considered her a dodo bird waiting for extinction. Then she had to besmirch the Jewish religious by claiming that Jews are 'imperfect' and the only way to salvation is through the false messiah. I personally think that any Xtian who listens to that is just continuing that anti-semitic candard which I heard from a xtian friend that "Jews are going to hell". In my mind I feel most who don't accept Hashem as the one and only force in the world are looking forward to a long, hot stay in the bad place... And this includes Ms. Couty
muman613
PS: are you a master of slander q_q_?
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I think she needs 're-education' and quick. This woman just says things which [censored] me off more than any so called conservative talking head. I wish she would just go away, stick her head in the sand and wilt.
She besmirched the 9/11 widows shortly after 9/11 and since then I have considered her a dodo bird waiting for extinction. Then she had to besmirch the Jewish religious by claiming that Jews are 'imperfect' and the only way to salvation is through the false messiah. I personally think that any Xtian who listens to that is just continuing that anti-semitic candard which I heard from a xtian friend that "Jews are going to hell". In my mind I feel most who don't accept Hashem as the one and only force in the world are looking forward to a long, hot stay in the bad place... And this includes Ms. Couty
muman613
PS: are you a master of slander q_q_?
That's quite a slimy question in your "PS".
As i'm sure you know.
Because "Yes" could imply that I am a master of slandering people, and "No" could imply that I don't know what slander is.
You don't really go for honest discussion ever anyway.
Anyhow, what PJC was saying, was that ann coulter was slandering jews.
And that was the point that I dealt with. Regarding whether she was or wasn't.
Of course, you said there that all christians are going to hell.. You just say it deceitfully by clever use of words. Ann Coulter is blunt and honest.. Maybe that's why you don't like her.
oh, and you very blatantly send atheists to hell too, but that's easy to do here, because there aren't many here. You get by saying that without disturbing "peace", so you say it. Things are peaceful, this is an internet forum, we are tapping on a keyboard. You should consider Truth you know.
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I think she needs 're-education' and quick. This woman just says things which [censored] me off more than any so called conservative talking head. I wish she would just go away, stick her head in the sand and wilt.
She besmirched the 9/11 widows shortly after 9/11 and since then I have considered her a dodo bird waiting for extinction. Then she had to besmirch the Jewish religious by claiming that Jews are 'imperfect' and the only way to salvation is through the false messiah. I personally think that any Xtian who listens to that is just continuing that anti-semitic candard which I heard from a xtian friend that "Jews are going to hell". In my mind I feel most who don't accept Hashem as the one and only force in the world are looking forward to a long, hot stay in the bad place... And this includes Ms. Couty
muman613
PS: are you a master of slander q_q_?
That's quite a slimy question in your "PS".
As i'm sure you know.
Because "Yes" could imply that I am a master of slandering people, and "No" could imply that I don't know what slander is.
You don't really go for honest discussion ever anyway.
Anyhow, what PJC was saying, was that ann coulter was slandering jews.
And that was the point that I dealt with. Regarding whether she was or wasn't.
Of course, you said there that all christians are going to hell.. You just say it deceitfully by clever use of words. Ann Coulter is blunt and honest.. Maybe that's why you don't like her.
oh, and you very blatantly send atheists to hell too, but that's easy to do here, because there aren't many here. You get by saying that without disturbing "peace", so you say it. Things are peaceful, this is an internet forum, we are tapping on a keyboard. You should consider Truth you know.
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I am simply pointing out that in a recent thread you accused me of slandering someone when I did nothing of the sort. I simply reposted an article which points out that the person in question has some questionable ties to antisemites, and this is 100% true. I just find it interesting you like the word 'slander' so much so I assumed that it is your area of specialty... ;)
muman613
PS: I also made sure to include in my posting that I was simply expressing "MY OPINION" and not stating fact. People like Coulter really tick me off and I wish she was knocked off her high horse.
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I think she needs 're-education' and quick. This woman just says things which [censored] me off more than any so called conservative talking head. I wish she would just go away, stick her head in the sand and wilt.
She besmirched the 9/11 widows shortly after 9/11 and since then I have considered her a dodo bird waiting for extinction. Then she had to besmirch the Jewish religious by claiming that Jews are 'imperfect' and the only way to salvation is through the false messiah. I personally think that any Xtian who listens to that is just continuing that anti-semitic candard which I heard from a xtian friend that "Jews are going to hell". In my mind I feel most who don't accept Hashem as the one and only force in the world are looking forward to a long, hot stay in the bad place... And this includes Ms. Couty
muman613
PS: are you a master of slander q_q_?
That's quite a slimy question in your "PS".
As i'm sure you know.
Because "Yes" could imply that I am a master of slandering people, and "No" could imply that I don't know what slander is.
You don't really go for honest discussion ever anyway.
Anyhow, what PJC was saying, was that ann coulter was slandering jews.
And that was the point that I dealt with. Regarding whether she was or wasn't.
Of course, you said there that all christians are going to hell.. You just say it deceitfully by clever use of words. Ann Coulter is blunt and honest.. Maybe that's why you don't like her.
oh, and you very blatantly send atheists to hell too, but that's easy to do here, because there aren't many here. You get by saying that without disturbing "peace", so you say it. Things are peaceful, this is an internet forum, we are tapping on a keyboard. You should consider Truth you know.
What are you saying about Christians going to hell?
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I think she needs 're-education' and quick. This woman just says things which [censored] me off more than any so called conservative talking head. I wish she would just go away, stick her head in the sand and wilt.
She besmirched the 9/11 widows shortly after 9/11 and since then I have considered her a dodo bird waiting for extinction. Then she had to besmirch the Jewish religious by claiming that Jews are 'imperfect' and the only way to salvation is through the false messiah. I personally think that any Xtian who listens to that is just continuing that anti-semitic candard which I heard from a xtian friend that "Jews are going to hell". In my mind I feel most who don't accept Hashem as the one and only force in the world are looking forward to a long, hot stay in the bad place... And this includes Ms. Couty
muman613
PS: are you a master of slander q_q_?
That's quite a slimy question in your "PS".
As i'm sure you know.
Because "Yes" could imply that I am a master of slandering people, and "No" could imply that I don't know what slander is.
You don't really go for honest discussion ever anyway.
Anyhow, what PJC was saying, was that ann coulter was slandering jews.
And that was the point that I dealt with. Regarding whether she was or wasn't.
Of course, you said there that all christians are going to hell.. You just say it deceitfully by clever use of words. Ann Coulter is blunt and honest.. Maybe that's why you don't like her.
oh, and you very blatantly send atheists to hell too, but that's easy to do here, because there aren't many here. You get by saying that without disturbing "peace", so you say it. Things are peaceful, this is an internet forum, we are tapping on a keyboard. You should consider Truth you know.
What are you saying about Christians going to hell?
PJC,
I take the words of Torah to my heart. Hashem wants us, especially the Jewish people, to recognize his UNITY and MASTERY of the entire world. In Judaism there is NO OTHER. Our Torah is clear about this and I believe it to my soul. When I was young a friend of ours said "Jews are going to Hell" and that is what they learned in their Sunday school. It affected me a great deal and I have since grown to resent that idea. When people like Coulter say things like "Jews are imperfected xtians" a reflex is started and I start to wish that those who dont believe in Hashem being the only force in the universe will be the ones learning about it in gehinnom. We dont believe in Hell like the other religions.
I dont want to bring this question into this argument. I dont have any hard feelings for any other faith but just when they push against my faith do I react in a defensive way.
muman613
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I think she needs 're-education' and quick. This woman just says things which [censored] me off more than any so called conservative talking head. I wish she would just go away, stick her head in the sand and wilt.
She besmirched the 9/11 widows shortly after 9/11 and since then I have considered her a dodo bird waiting for extinction. Then she had to besmirch the Jewish religious by claiming that Jews are 'imperfect' and the only way to salvation is through the false messiah. I personally think that any Xtian who listens to that is just continuing that anti-semitic candard which I heard from a xtian friend that "Jews are going to hell". In my mind I feel most who don't accept Hashem as the one and only force in the world are looking forward to a long, hot stay in the bad place... And this includes Ms. Couty
muman613
PS: are you a master of slander q_q_?
That's quite a slimy question in your "PS".
As i'm sure you know.
Because "Yes" could imply that I am a master of slandering people, and "No" could imply that I don't know what slander is.
You don't really go for honest discussion ever anyway.
Anyhow, what PJC was saying, was that ann coulter was slandering jews.
And that was the point that I dealt with. Regarding whether she was or wasn't.
Of course, you said there that all christians are going to hell.. You just say it deceitfully by clever use of words. Ann Coulter is blunt and honest.. Maybe that's why you don't like her.
oh, and you very blatantly send atheists to hell too, but that's easy to do here, because there aren't many here. You get by saying that without disturbing "peace", so you say it. Things are peaceful, this is an internet forum, we are tapping on a keyboard. You should consider Truth you know.
What are you saying about Christians going to hell?
PJC,
I take the words of Torah to my heart. Hashem wants us, especially the Jewish people, to recognize his UNITY and MASTERY of the entire world. In Judaism there is NO OTHER. Our Torah is clear about this and I believe it to my soul. When I was young a friend of ours said "Jews are going to Hell" and that is what they learned in their Sunday school. It affected me a great deal and I have since grown to resent that idea. When people like Coulter say things like "Jews are imperfected xtians" a reflex is started and I start to wish that those who dont believe in Hashem being the only force in the universe will be the ones learning about it in gehinnom. We dont believe in Hell like the other religions.
I dont want to bring this question into this argument. I dont have any hard feelings for any other faith but just when they push against my faith do I react in a defensive way.
muman613
Muman, I could respond to you in untasteful manner but I am better than that. I have showed nothing but respect and support of Judaism. I expect the same from you. I have exclaimed before that I like to practice my religion and I do not like to debate it. I resent your comments about my faith. Please, do not cause tension on the forum between Christians and Jews. This is the last thing we need especially with election day approaching us. BTW it's CHRISTIANS not Xtians!
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What are you saying about Christians going to hell?
I didn't
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IF Barack Hussein said what Ann COultier said, nobody would be trying to make up for his stupidity and bigotry. She is a mekhashefah. If anyone is imperfect it is her. Any person who endorses Hillary Clinton and claims that us Jews are imperfect people who need to be saved by the "perfect" Christians ais a real slimebag in my book. Why are people so gullible as to believe somone who plays conservative when her real self is exposed? The one by the way has slept/date with many liberal men, it seems to be her preference. Soon, I will here her say, "Why did you kill my Jesus? Oh its ok you did not know better." Maybe I should ask her, if she is so perfect, how come her so-called perfected CHristian people, murdered millions of Jews.
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I am simply pointing out that in a recent thread you accused me of slandering someone when I did nothing of the sort. I simply reposted an article which points out that the person in question has some questionable ties to antisemites, and this is 100% true. I just find it interesting you like the word 'slander' so much so I assumed that it is your area of specialty... ;)
You asked me if I was a master of slander, which wasn't pointing anything out.
Why bother discussing that thread again.. you moved one of them into the administrators section anyway so it's not available anymore...
You had no intention of discussing that again anyway..
PS: I also made sure to include in my posting that I was simply expressing "MY OPINION" and not stating fact. People like Coulter really tick me off and I wish she was knocked off her high horse.
yes, i've noticed that you don't state facts.
though in the chamish case you said you didn't have any and didn't want any.
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Muman,
With all due respect you are mistaken here. In the past, you have said some unkind things about Christianity, and as far as I know you haven't apologized. Ann did not insult Judaism. She rather foolishly expressed her opinion of its relationship to Christianity, but she did not attack or denigrate it. Let's pretend that Ann said something even more outlandish: "Raelians are completed Jews, and I feel that Jews should all convert to Raelianism (the alien cloning cult), because that would make them the ultimate Jews." Would even that make her an anti-Semite? No. Would it make her anti-Christian if she said she hoped Christians would convert to Hinduism? No. The lady is entitled to her opinions (which I think are intended solely for shock and ratings, but I digress). As long as she is not insulting anyone's faith, I can't muster up hate for her.
If you want to call her a rabblerouser and publicity hog--that is another thing, but I don't see any means by which she can be called a Jew-hater, by any stretch. PJC is right on this topic. Debbie Schlussel has said much, much worse. She is telling everybody that Biden is more pro-Israel than Sarah Palin is. Are you going to defend that?
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Muman,
With all due respect you are mistaken here. In the past, you have said some unkind things about Christianity, and as far as I know you haven't apologized. Ann did not insult Judaism. She rather foolishly expressed her opinion of its relationship to Christianity, but she did not attack or denigrate it. Let's pretend that Ann said something even more outlandish: "Raelians are completed Jews, and I feel that Jews should all convert to Raelianism (the alien cloning cult), because that would make them the ultimate Jews." Would even that make her an anti-Semite? No. Would it make her anti-Christian if she said she hoped Christians would convert to Hinduism? No. The lady is entitled to her opinions (which I think are intended solely for shock and ratings, but I digress). As long as she is not insulting anyone's faith, I can't muster up hate for her.
If you want to call her a rabblerouser and publicity hog--that is another thing, but I don't see any means by which she can be called a Jew-hater, by any stretch. PJC is right on this topic. Debbie Schlussel has said much, much worse. She is telling everybody that Biden is more pro-Israel than Sarah Palin is. Are you going to defend that?
She said Christians are perfected Jews and that we are lost in the Torah. How can any Jewish Task Force who supports Israel and Jewish people support such a fool. Yes, she is insulting us by saying we are imperfect, but her people are perfected. Especially, when Christians have been responsible for the death of so many Jews.
No offense to you good Christians, I am referring to the arrogant, hard headed , Jew hating ones who spread the garbage , that us Jews are inferior , Christ killers.
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She said Christians are perfected Jews and that we are lost in the Torah. How can any Jewish Task Force who supports Israel and Jewish people support such a fool. Yes, she is insulting us by saying we are imperfect, but her people are perfected. Especially, when Christians have been responsible for the death of so many Jews.
No offense to you good Christians, I am referring to the arrogant, hard headed , Jew hating ones who spread the garbage , that us Jews are inferior , Christ killers.
You are are a totally illogical rambler..
What she said is no more offensive than the fact that -some- rabbis are of the belief that christianity is idolatry.
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She said Christians are perfected Jews and that we are lost in the Torah. How can any Jewish Task Force who supports Israel and Jewish people support such a fool. Yes, she is insulting us by saying we are imperfect, but her people are perfected. Especially, when Christians have been responsible for the death of so many Jews.
No offense to you good Christians, I am referring to the arrogant, hard headed , Jew hating ones who spread the garbage , that us Jews are inferior , Christ killers.
You are are a totally illogical rambler..
What she said is no more offensive than the fact that -some- rabbis are of the belief that christianity is idolatry.
q_q_,
What is wrong is that she said it in a public forum which is watched by Jews. I can care less what the pope thinks... It is wrong to offend the Jewish people on a public forum. I am amazed that you dont understand the difference.
muman613
PS: I see you attacking anyone who doesnt agree with you once again. This proves my point about you.
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q_q_,
What is wrong is that she said it in a public forum which is watched by Jews. I can care less what the pope thinks... It is wrong to offend the Jewish people on a public forum. I am amazed that you dont understand the difference.
muman613
PS: I see you attacking anyone who doesnt agree with you once again. This proves my point about you.
And look at what you said on a public forum, on this one, in this thread, and without even being asked. Now what you said was offensive. Blatantly so. As we have seen from responses.
And you've made statements like that at least three times in the brief time you've been here. As one can see from responses to you there.
Of course, you say I "Attack" those that disagree with me.. Well, it's a shame that i've beaten you up so badly that you can't give any sensible response. What's the matter? Arthritis in the fingers?
You seem to be typing quite a bit, but look , no facts. So your fingers aren't the problem.
Have I attacked your brain from across the atlantic?
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Muman, I could respond to you in untasteful manner but I am better than that. I have showed nothing but respect and support of Judaism. I expect the same from you. I have exclaimed before that I like to practice my religion and I do not like to debate it. I resent your comments about my faith. Please, do not cause tension on the forum between Christians and Jews. This is the last thing we need especially with election day approaching us. BTW it's CHRISTIANS not Xtians!
It is good that you mean well, supporting jews against ann coulter's remark.
though I think you are overreacting to it.
But don't make the mistake of thinking that Ann Coulter was being discourteous, and Muman is guilty of the same.. (you say that you have shown nothing but respect and support of judaism and expect the same.. This suggests that you think jews should object to equivalent comments about christianity)
What Muman did, was make his offensive statement -without even being asked-!!
He did it out of the blue for no reason. On a forum of jews and christians that work together.
What Ann Coulter did, was state a classic christian belief. *She Was Asked*. And she responded honestly.
Just as if you were to ask me what the jewish view of christianity is. Then even if it were 100% negative.. (and it isn't, I think it is largely positive). But even if it was 100% negative. Suppose it was that all christians are going to hell (and no jewish belief says anything like that). But if that was the case, then it's HARMLESS. And you should not take offence to that. IF ASKED then there is nothing wrong with answering. Whatever the answer is. And as I said, it's harmless.
And furthermore, in the case of Ann Coulter. A)she was asked B)She was stating classic christian belief. Not her opinion. Don't expect her to compromise on her beliefs. Just as I wouldn't want a christian to knock on my door and expect me to compromise mine C)She was straight/honest.
So iven A,B and C, don't make a comparison between her comment and Muman's..
(you did really make that comparison by you talking about reaction to them as you did)
you are being over zealous in criticising ann coulter so much over this. Infact you may be being a bit of a self hating christian attacking ann over this! We should be more accepting of theological differences even and especially on matters such as hell that we can do nothing about. It doesn't mean that these things are meant with any malice. I'm sure many christians are very upset with the reality of their beliefs that they think jews go to hell.. But they can't do anything about it. They don't make the rules. They understand that.. And I can easily understand their situation. They aren't bad for -having to- believe that as an inescapable conclusion or part of their theology. And the belief doesn't hurt anybody. It's not like "I want to smash budda idols", like the muslims believe/do.
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Muman, I could respond to you in untasteful manner but I am better than that. I have showed nothing but respect and support of Judaism. I expect the same from you. I have exclaimed before that I like to practice my religion and I do not like to debate it. I resent your comments about my faith. Please, do not cause tension on the forum between Christians and Jews. This is the last thing we need especially with election day approaching us. BTW it's CHRISTIANS not Xtians!
It is good that you mean well, supporting jews against ann coulter's remark.
though I think you are overreacting to it.
But don't make the mistake of thinking that Ann Coulter was being discourteous, and Muman is guilty of the same.. (you say that you have shown nothing but respect and support of judaism and expect the same.. This suggests that you think jews should object to equivalent comments about christianity)
What Muman did, was make his offensive statement -without even being asked-!!
He did it out of the blue for no reason. On a forum of jews and christians that work together.
What Ann Coulter did, was state a classic christian belief. *She Was Asked*. And she responded honestly.
Just as if you were to ask me what the jewish view of christianity is. Then even if it were 100% negative.. (and it isn't, I think it is largely positive). But even if it was 100% negative. Suppose it was that all christians are going to hell (and no jewish belief says anything like that). But if that was the case, then it's HARMLESS. And you should not take offence to that. IF ASKED then there is nothing wrong with answering. Whatever the answer is. And as I said, it's harmless.
And furthermore, in the case of Ann Coulter. A)she was asked B)She was stating classic christian belief. Not her opinion. Don't expect her to compromise on her beliefs. Just as I wouldn't want a christian to knock on my door and expect me to compromise mine C)She was straight/honest.
So iven A,B and C, don't make a comparison between her comment and Muman's..
(you did really make that comparison by you talking about reaction to them as you did)
you are being over zealous in criticising ann coulter so much over this. Infact you may be being a bit of a self hating christian attacking ann over this! We should be more accepting of theological differences even and especially on matters such as hell that we can do nothing about. It doesn't mean that these things are meant with any malice. I'm sure many christians are very upset with the reality of their beliefs that they think jews go to hell.. But they can't do anything about it. They don't make the rules. They understand that.. And I can easily understand their situation. They aren't bad for -having to- believe that as an inescapable conclusion or part of their theology. And the belief doesn't hurt anybody. It's not like "I want to smash budda idols", like the muslims believe/do.
I condemn Rabbis who insult Christianity and Christians who insult Judaism. Bottom line.
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I condemn Rabbis who insult Christianity and Christians who insult Judaism. Bottom line.
suppose a person believes his religion is true, and so, other religions, false.
so somebody is asked what they believe about another religion, and they say - christianity is false. Or, judaism is false.
In your eyes, is that an insult to christianity or judaism?
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Ann Coulter is attractive enough to get onto the television, so she's not bad.
Rosie Odonald is on TV..
a comedian though.. that is a route ugly women get to TV . roseanne barr is another. In britain we've had Joe Brand.. Don't post a picture of her here. She's like Roseanne's uglier sister. Also a comedian though. Not a person that appears on news programs.
btw, these are just general rules, and I haven't seen much american tv..
I know that the female news reporters and female guests they have on to speak tend to be attractive, not ugly.
regarding Rosie, she is not funny, but rather stupid. although she did a hysterical imitation of Donald Trump, that was a riot, she made an enemy of him and he anniliated her. saying Rosie is "ugly" is a compliment. she was standing next to me in line at The Nike Store, without a stitch of make-up she's so lovely, she doesn't need any [where is the barf bag,] she was/is the most hideous thing i've ever seen in my entire life. she looks even worse in person :fright:
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#1) It is against the forum rules to attack the members of this forum. I will not tolerate this. We have so many important things to do and taking cheap pot shots at one another is not one of them.
#2) It is also against the forum rules to attack the wonderful Christian members of this forum. There is no need to write "xtian" since the term "christ" is only a Roman word meaning a person who is anointed. We don't even write "xslam" or "xslum" and those are people who want us dead. It is insulting to write like this for the Christian members and I can completely understand why they would have a problem with this. Obviously, we believe different things and people are going to be people but this is a historic time where the Jewish people and the Christians are working together to fight for their very lives and it's nothing short of a miracle. They have every right to help us and not worry about being treated with disrespect. Is the movement important to you or not? Because I believe that it's selfish to fight like this.
#3) It is also against the forum rules to attack Judaism or condemn Rabbis who love Hashem on this forum. Not everyone is at the same place you are and to pass broad sweeping judgments hurts our cause and places a very negative stigmatization on the Jewish people. I will not allow this. I love Hashem, I love the Torah, and I love the Jewish people. I would give my life for them.
We have to remember that there are lives at stake. This is not a joke or something to be taken lightly. What we are doing is one of the most important things a person could do. We need to fight our enemies and stop fighting ourselves. I just don't have the time - though I wish I did - to handle petty arguments or fights.
This happens from time to time and from both sides. I understand... we are human. But please put your differences aside and, instead, spend your time helping us become a mass movement so we don't have to live in fear or fear for our children.
I have locked this thread.
-Shlomo