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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: takebackourtemple on October 31, 2008, 07:37:12 AM
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While some people may be going to Halloween parties, I'm asking all Jews to celebrate Shabbat instead of Halloween tonight. Instead of ghost stories you can say prayers. Instead of getting drunk at a bar, you can have a LaChaim. There is nothing spooky about shabbat candles. There is no need for a costume either. Put on your nicest clothes. If a Jew knocks on your door, invite them in for Shabbat dinner. Have a wonderful and meaningful Shabbat.
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While some people may be going to Halloween parties, I'm asking all Jews to celebrate Shabbat instead of Halloween tonight. Instead of ghost stories you can say prayers. Instead of getting drunk at a bar, you can have a LaChaim. There is nothing spooky about shabbat candles. There is no need for a costume either. Put on your nicest clothes. If a Jew knocks on your door, invite them in for Shabbat dinner. Have a wonderful and meaningful Shabbat.
fantastic..
a guy that has never kept shabbat and usually celebrates halloween Sees a jew knock at his door.. (would probably be a chassid asking for charity. Or some frum kids that have shabbat at home anyway. How else would he know they were jewish).
So this formerly halloween jew, formerly as in, until yesterday. Is now going to invite a religious jew into the house.. and make a real nice shabbat atmosphere, and a shabbat lunch. All kosher of course
Isn't halloween really for kids?
so this is a secular child, inviting an adult in for shabbat lunch. It gets better.
I'm glad your post isn't causing any harm!!! You really got the audiences mixed up here big time. I dont think you really thought this through at all. Unbelievable!
Normally a person that doesn't normally keep shabbat, or is new to it, is the one that is invited to a shabbat meal.
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q_q_,
I'm going to leave it up to another Mod to decide how to handle your personal attack and just for the record, it has been many years since I made the decision not to celebrate Halloween. I don't want to get into a personal debate over this. If you disagree with my message and want Jews to celebrate Halloween instead, then I will debate you.
My message is simple. Celebrate Shabbat instead of Halloween. That is exactly what I plan to do tonight. Many Jewish kids are going to be trick or treating tonight and the Rebbe would want them invited in when they knocked because he wanted to bring Jews back to the faith. While the conservatives wanted people to leave an extra empty seat at the table for Holocaust victims, the Rebbe wanted families to go out and find someone to fill that seat.
Shmuel
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Instead of Matzaball soup, I'm gonna have chocolate pumpking soup in fudge...and instead of Kugel..i'm going to have orange colored marshmellow pumpkin flavored kugle that look like skeleton bones...
NOT!!!!!!
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While some people may be going to Halloween parties, I'm asking all Jews to celebrate Shabbat instead of Halloween tonight. Instead of ghost stories you can say prayers. Instead of getting drunk at a bar, you can have a LaChaim. There is nothing spooky about shabbat candles. There is no need for a costume either. Put on your nicest clothes. If a Jew knocks on your door, invite them in for Shabbat dinner. Have a wonderful and meaningful Shabbat.
fantastic..
a guy that has never kept shabbat and usually celebrates halloween Sees a jew knock at his door.. (would probably be a chassid asking for charity. Or some frum kids that have shabbat at home anyway. How else would he know they were jewish).
So this formerly halloween jew, formerly as in, until yesterday. Is now going to invite a religious jew into the house.. and make a real nice shabbat atmosphere, and a shabbat lunch. All kosher of course
Isn't halloween really for kids?
so this is a secular child, inviting an adult in for shabbat lunch. It gets better.
I'm glad your post isn't causing any harm!!! You really got the audiences mixed up here big time. I dont think you really thought this through at all. Unbelievable!
Normally a person that doesn't normally keep shabbat, or is new to it, is the one that is invited to a shabbat meal.
huh?
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q_q_,
I'm going to leave it up to another Mod to decide how to handle your personal attack and just for the record, it has been many years since I made the decision not to celebrate Halloween. I don't want to get into a personal debate over this. If you disagree with my message and want Jews to celebrate Halloween instead, then I will debate you.
My message is simple. Celebrate Shabbat instead of Halloween. That is exactly what I plan to do tonight. Many Jewish kids are going to be trick or treating tonight and the Rebbe would want them invited in when they knocked because he wanted to bring Jews back to the faith. While the conservatives wanted people to leave an extra empty seat at the table for Holocaust victims, the Rebbe wanted families to go out and find someone to fill that seat.
Shmuel
I'm amused, but not that suprised, that you think I want you to celebrate Halloween instead of Shabbat.
Suppose I did tell you to celebrate Halloween instead of Shabbat. (let's pretend that you're right)
That sounds like an attack on judaism, not on you.
Did you think about that? No.
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Now I see the lengths of your lack of understanding, the breadth of it is tremendous.
You were addressing people who never kept shabbat before and talking about a situation where they see somebody knocking at their door.
I wrote
"a guy that has never kept shabbat and usually celebrates halloween Sees a jew knock at his door"
You obviously thought that YOU were the guy that never kept shabbat before e.t.c.
Maybe that is the case, and you let out a freudian slip there about yourself. But incase you didn't notice. You are ADDRESSING that kind of person, and telling him to invite people in for shabbat.
So you now think you are that person..
Tell me. Is it an insult to be that person?
If you think so.. then that's even more strange. Because you are identifying with him.
<joke>I think you should take back your temples first,or rebuild them. Then, worry about taking back / rebuilding our temple!</joke>
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I think he meant someone they know is Jewish and shouldn't be out with their kids trick or treating, inviting them to the dinner to be more observant if they come to the door. It might make them feel guilty. Maybe that's just how I read it but I thought that's what was meant.
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I think he meant someone they know is Jewish and shouldn't be out with their kids trick or treating, inviting them to the dinner to be more observant if they come to the door. It might make them feel guilty. Maybe that's just how I read it but I thought that's what was meant.
an interesting interpretation.. that's not what I meant though.
What I meant should really be obvious to religious jews.. I was under the assumption that takebackourtemple keeps shabbat and knows about shabbat. I suppose he does. But it still went over his head though, and worse, he thought I was saying that he always keeps halloween..
Any explanation is going over peoples' heads, I don't think this is really the right audience, the right bunch, in this thread. So I don't plan on continuing re-explaining it, because the right bunch aren't here. I think most religious jews would have understood it. I wouldn't have expected gentiles to necessarily understand it, because it's such a jewish subject. But it's a sorry state of affairs when gentiles make less of a mess of what I said than jews, on this subject!
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I think he meant someone they know is Jewish and shouldn't be out with their kids trick or treating, inviting them to the dinner to be more observant if they come to the door. It might make them feel guilty. Maybe that's just how I read it but I thought that's what was meant.
an interesting interpretation.. that's not what I meant though.
What I meant should really be obvious to religious jews.. I was under the assumption that takebackourtemple keeps shabbat and knows about shabbat. I suppose he does. But it still went over his head though, and worse, he thought I was saying that he always keeps halloween..
Any explanation is going over peoples' heads, I don't think this is really the right audience, the right bunch, in this thread. So I don't plan on continuing re-explaining it, because the right bunch aren't here. I think most religious jews would have understood it. I wouldn't have expected gentiles to necessarily understand it, because it's such a jewish subject. But it's a sorry state of affairs when gentiles make less of a mess of what I said than jews, on this subject!
I meant takebackourtemple. I think what he meant was not to be tempted by the kids whining or other things about doing Halloween stuff and to observe Shabbat regardless, and if any person you know is Jewish comes by to invite them in, but he'd have to say for sure for me to know if I got it right. I mean I would imagine most wouldn't be involved in this holiday anyway but for those who might be tempted I think the post was for them.
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Now I see the lengths of your lack of understanding, the breadth of it is tremendous...
Yawn...
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q_q, why are you making such a big deal over Takebackourtemple's post?
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I think he meant someone they know is Jewish and shouldn't be out with their kids trick or treating, inviting them to the dinner to be more observant if they come to the door. It might make them feel guilty. Maybe that's just how I read it but I thought that's what was meant.
an interesting interpretation.. that's not what I meant though.
What I meant should really be obvious to religious jews.. I was under the assumption that takebackourtemple keeps shabbat and knows about shabbat. I suppose he does. But it still went over his head though, and worse, he thought I was saying that he always keeps halloween..
Any explanation is going over peoples' heads, I don't think this is really the right audience, the right bunch, in this thread. So I don't plan on continuing re-explaining it, because the right bunch aren't here. I think most religious jews would have understood it. I wouldn't have expected gentiles to necessarily understand it, because it's such a jewish subject. But it's a sorry state of affairs when gentiles make less of a mess of what I said than jews, on this subject!
QQ i didn't understand your post to TBOT, but what I understood him to say was that Jews should observe Shabbat tonight and not Halloween. And if a Jew comes knocking at the door, invite him/her inside for shabbat dinner...in other words welcome him/her with a friendly Jewish hand. I don't think what he said was offensive or wrong or anything like that. In fact, it was a very nice thing to write. I'm not sure what you wrote was a criticism or agreement of what he wrote. However, what he wrote was good..and hardly deserves any type of criticsm. My only question to you was, were you criticizing what he wrote or were you agreeing with him?
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I think Shabbat is much more inspireing and beautyfull than this pagan cult festival.
Before a few minutes three little boors costumed as demons ringed on my door and wanted some tidbits to eat.
Of course I gave them nothing and I am really regretting, that I have no dog. :'(
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I think Shabbat is much more inspireing and beautyfull than this pagan cult festival.
Before a few minutes three little boors costumed as demons ringed on my door and wanted some tidbits to eat.
Of course I gave them nothing and I am really regretting, that I have no dog. :'(
I respect anyone who would rather celebrate the Sabbath than Halloween. But this whole notion that Halloween is this evil "pagan cult festival" is really ridiculous. As a kid, Halloween was one of my favorite holidays. I loved getting dressed up in a costume and trick or treating. It was a lot of harmless fun, other than the subsequent dental work.
Of all the people I know who participated in Halloween, I'm hard pressed to think of one who's now a witch or wiccan. Every year when I spend Christmas day with my close Christian friends, should I not do this as well for fear of becoming Christian? If I had children, I'd have no problem with them participating in Halloween. With all the serious problems facing us right now, worrying about Halloween couldn't be further down on my list.
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I don't like Helloween and this will not change.
Sparky, we can only agree to differ on this issue.
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I don't like Helloween and this will not change.
Sparky, we can only agree to differ on this issue.
I completely respect your opinion. I know Chaim wouldn't agree with me either. Ouch.
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I think Shabbat is much more inspireing and beautyfull than this pagan cult festival.
Before a few minutes three little boors costumed as demons ringed on my door and wanted some tidbits to eat.
Of course I gave them nothing and I am really regretting, that I have no dog. :'(
I didn't know there was trick or treating in Europe. I thought it was more an American thing.
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I think Shabbat is much more inspireing and beautyfull than this pagan cult festival.
Before a few minutes three little boors costumed as demons ringed on my door and wanted some tidbits to eat.
Of course I gave them nothing and I am really regretting, that I have no dog. :'(
I didn't know there was trick or treating in Europe. I thought it was more an American thing.
They have it there as well some places the kids don't get dressed up at all
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"Every year when I spend Christmas day with my close Christian friends, should I not do this as well"
Yes.
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QQ i didn't understand your post to TBOT, but what I understood him to say was that Jews should observe Shabbat tonight and not Halloween. And if a Jew comes knocking at the door, invite him/her inside for shabbat dinner...in other words welcome him/her with a friendly Jewish hand. I don't think what he said was offensive or wrong or anything like that. In fact, it was a very nice thing to write. I'm not sure what you wrote was a criticism or agreement of what he wrote. However, what he wrote was good..and hardly deserves any type of criticsm. My only question to you was, were you criticizing what he wrote or were you agreeing with him?
I'm not criticising the general concept of inviting people over for shabbos.
And i'm not saying that what he says was offensive or "wrong".
What i'm pointing out is that the audience he has written for is meant to be one that has celebrated halloween in the past, and not shabbat. And he wants that person to make shabbat(read- try to make it!) and invite jews round for shabbat.
Normally the person that invites people round for shabbat would be one that keeps shabbat anyway and wouldn't be relevant to mrtemple's post .
For example, you never have people that have never kept shabbat, holding a shabbaton.
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what I understood him to say was that Jews should observe Shabbat tonight and not Halloween. And if a Jew comes knocking at the door, invite him/her inside for shabbat dinner...in other words welcome him/her with a friendly Jewish hand.
That is what I was saying. Great summary. Let's celebrate many more Shabbats to come.
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QQ i didn't understand your post to TBOT, but what I understood him to say was that Jews should observe Shabbat tonight and not Halloween. And if a Jew comes knocking at the door, invite him/her inside for shabbat dinner...in other words welcome him/her with a friendly Jewish hand. I don't think what he said was offensive or wrong or anything like that. In fact, it was a very nice thing to write. I'm not sure what you wrote was a criticism or agreement of what he wrote. However, what he wrote was good..and hardly deserves any type of criticsm. My only question to you was, were you criticizing what he wrote or were you agreeing with him?
I'm not criticising the general concept of inviting people over for shabbos.
And i'm not saying that what he says was offensive or "wrong".
What i'm pointing out is that the audience he has written for is meant to be one that has celebrated halloween in the past, and not shabbat. And he wants that person to make shabbat(read- try to make it!) and invite jews round for shabbat.
Normally the person that invites people round for shabbat would be one that keeps shabbat anyway and wouldn't be relevant to mrtemple's post .
For example, you never have people that have never kept shabbat, holding a shabbaton.
I disagree. There are some Jews who might not normally be shomer shabbat to the standards of Orthodox Jews, but will, on occasion know about Shabbat and hold a shabbatone that comes at least close to the standards of Orthodox Judaism. Any Jew who can, whether Orthodox or secular, hold a shabbatone and encourage other Jews, in particular secular non-orthodox ones, to partake in a particular night instead of a pagan or nonJewish holiday is doing a huge mitzva...maybe not as big as a typical orthodox Jew who automatically is shomer shabbat...however a secular jew who rarely ever keeps it and decides to have a conscious of doing something he normally doesn't do and encourages other non othodox jews to partake in shabbat during an otherwise pagan day is doing a huuuuge mitzva also. QQ, it seems that you are thumb your nose at those situations. Let me konw if i'm wrong.
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I disagree. There are some Jews who might not normally be shomer shabbat to the standards of Orthodox Jews, but will, on occasion know about Shabbat and hold a shabbatone that comes at least close to the standards of Orthodox Judaism. Any Jew who can, whether Orthodox or secular, hold a shabbatone and encourage other Jews, in particular secular non-orthodox ones, to partake in a particular night instead of a pagan or nonJewish holiday is doing a huge mitzva...maybe not as big as a typical orthodox Jew who automatically is shomer shabbat...however a secular jew who rarely ever keeps it and decides to have a conscious of doing something he normally doesn't do and encourages other non othodox jews to partake in shabbat during an otherwise pagan day is doing a huuuuge mitzva also. QQ, it seems that you are thumb your nose at those situations. Let me konw if i'm wrong.
Obviously it's likely that G-d would appreciate the thought..
The recipients may experience something good, but not really a shabbat atmosphere. Infact, I seriously doubt that they would even be eating kosher food.
It takes alot of experience to create a good shabbat atmosphere. Even many modern orthodox people twiddle their thumbs over shabbat and it's not really something I would suggest inviting others to.
Dan, you don't have to answer this of course, but assuming you keep shabbat, in that you don't use the internet, don't turn lights on and off.
Have you ever experienced a bad shabbat.. ?
Have you ever experienced a shabbat at black hat relatives?
Can you describe and contrast the two?
I don't think people really have the background to understand my post. Usually people just lack the intelligence.
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Already did this I stopped Halloween 5 years ago
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Already did this I stopped Halloween 5 years ago
I suspect that your voice dropped too
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Ethics of the Fathers
Mishnah 2:4
4.He would also say: Make that His will should be your will, so that He should make your will to be as His will. Nullify your will before His will, so that He should nullify the will of others before your will.
Hillel would say: Do not separate yourself from the community. Do not believe in yourself until the day you die. Do not judge your fellow until you have stood in his place. Do not say something that is not readily understood in the belief that it will ultimately be understood [or: Do not say something that ought not to be heard even in the strictest confidence, for ultimately it will be heard]. And do not say "When I free myself of my concerns, I will study,'' for perhaps you will never free yourself.
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I disagree. There are some Jews who might not normally be shomer shabbat to the standards of Orthodox Jews, but will, on occasion know about Shabbat and hold a shabbatone that comes at least close to the standards of Orthodox Judaism. Any Jew who can, whether Orthodox or secular, hold a shabbatone and encourage other Jews, in particular secular non-orthodox ones, to partake in a particular night instead of a pagan or nonJewish holiday is doing a huge mitzva...maybe not as big as a typical orthodox Jew who automatically is shomer shabbat...however a secular jew who rarely ever keeps it and decides to have a conscious of doing something he normally doesn't do and encourages other non othodox jews to partake in shabbat during an otherwise pagan day is doing a huuuuge mitzva also. QQ, it seems that you are thumb your nose at those situations. Let me konw if i'm wrong.
Obviously it's likely that G-d would appreciate the thought..
The recipients may experience something good, but not really a shabbat atmosphere. Infact, I seriously doubt that they would even be eating kosher food.
It takes alot of experience to create a good shabbat atmosphere. Even many modern orthodox people twiddle their thumbs over shabbat and it's not really something I would suggest inviting others to.
Dan, you don't have to answer this of course, but assuming you keep shabbat, in that you don't use the internet, don't turn lights on and off.
Have you ever experienced a bad shabbat.. ?
Have you ever experienced a shabbat at black hat relatives?
Can you describe and contrast the two?
I don't think people really have the background to understand my post. Usually people just lack the intelligence.
I will respond to some things on this post, but not everything for the reason that there might be some answers that you would rather hear on private message for the reason you gave me way back when on private messenger..although i'm not embarrassed by it.
1. question one-is for private messenger
2. never experienced a bad shabbat-shomer or non-shomer
3. I don't have black hat relatives.
4. Shabbat is shabbat...family and friends sitting together and enjoying time together and resting together and goign to shul together and having lunch and dinner together and playign games together. Some like to study texts..it is what it is...shabbat is meant for rest..so, rest should be enjoyed.
As far as kosher food..of course on shabbat it should be idealy kosher...but kosher food in a non-shomer home, in my opinion defeats the whole point of shabbat versus non glatt kosher food in a home that attempts to create a shomer atmosphere (and this is with Jews who are not yeshiva trained or have a poor understanding of kashrut, but have good intentions for having a shabbat atmosphere). So yes, kosher food is the way to go if one is going to do a shomer type dinner..but if we are talking about a jew who has good intentions but doesn't know any better, his attempt to make it a shomer type atmosphere even if the food isn't pefectly kosher to the orthodox standard shouldn't be frowned upon and have an orthodox jew thumb his nose at them. If anything, some should be happy that they are taking a step in the right direction.
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As far as kosher food..of course on shabbat it should be idealy kosher...but kosher food in a non-shomer home, in my opinion defeats the whole point of shabbat versus non glatt kosher food in a home that attempts to create a shomer atmosphere (and this is with Jews who are not yeshiva trained or have a poor understanding of kashrut, but have good intentions for having a shabbat atmosphere). So yes, kosher food is the way to go if one is going to do a shomer type dinner..but if we are talking about a jew who has good intentions but doesn't know any better, his attempt to make it a shomer type atmosphere even if the food isn't pefectly kosher to the orthodox standard shouldn't be frowned upon and have an orthodox jew thumb his nose at them. If anything, some should be happy that they are taking a step in the right direction.
Very good point Dr. Dan... I believe that any step toward more Orthodox observance is a great step. There is no reason to be derisive and look down on others who are on a lower level than yourself. I encourage anyone who is trying to make Shabbat all it can be to do whatever they can. I am lucky that there are resources in my community which allow me to have Shabbatons with a kosher Orthodox minyan. They have reached out to me and I am very blessed to know these wonderful people. Our community can only benefit when we reach out and make Shabbat pleasant for every Jew.
muman613
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Those that reword my point as looking down on irreligious people never understood my original post, or subsequent ones.
Some may be malicious, guilt-filled emotional wrecks. Others just lack the background, and make assumptions they have against me based on other prejudices or personal problems. But I don't intend to play psychiatrist any further. Particularly at this verges on personal issues for such people.
I did say that certain types will not get it, and those of that type keep going on. And not just that. They have the sickness of mind to continually accuse me of looking down on irreligious jews.. When they admit to never having understood my posts in the first place. Essentially, I could say as some of them do, that this is "an attack", but I don't because I don't put that much weight on the jibberish of such people. It's one thing being ignorant, it's another thing being stupid. Many here are both. But continually rewording my posts is very bad.
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Those that reword my point as looking down on irreligious people never understood my original post, or subsequent ones.
Some may be malicious, guilt-filled emotional wrecks. Others just lack the background, and make assumptions they have against me based on other prejudices or personal problems. But I don't intend to play psychiatrist any further. Particularly at this verges on personal issues for such people.
I did say that certain types will not get it, and those of that type keep going on. And not just that. They have the sickness of mind to continually accuse me of looking down on irreligious jews.. When they admit to never having understood my posts in the first place. Essentially, I could say as some of them do, that this is "an attack", but I don't because I don't put that much weight on the jibberish of such people. It's one thing being ignorant, it's another thing being stupid. Many here are both. But continually rewording my posts is very bad.
if you felt attacked by me, i apologize. I'm not trying to reword what you're saying. Can you redefine your explanation so that you are not misunderstood?
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Shalom,
And there was no attempt to attack anyone in my posting. I simply agree with Dan on his post.
muman613
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I said
Regearding the "attack" issue
"Essentially, I could say ...that this is 'an attack', but I don't"
Others make the accusation of being attacked, for less.
I'm not claiming anybody is being attacked, and that is half my point there. Nevertheless, one should take care not to continually reword somebody's explanation in your own words, when your own words are an outrageous allegation. If you don't have the logic to break down the particular word or sentence that you don't understand(and none do here), then don't bother. I did say that some wouldn't be able to grasp it anyway, and I stated the category of whome.
Now, regarding requests for re-explanation.
I've already said that people here don't have the background for my post to resonate with them(or the imagination to simulate that background).
The background I speak of is,
If the people i'm talking to had tried a shabbat - and I mean a strict shabbat, meaning no turning lights on and off. No TV, No Internet. No cooking.
And not just that, but if those people had had the experience of trying shabbat in a variety of different environments.. A religiously left wing modern orthodox one, a black hat one, e.t.c. And routinely. And not just for a day. But sleeping over at the place, really seeing it from start to finish. And they are familiar with what makes for a good shabbat environment, and how the environment can go wrong, all whilst keeping shabbat strictly. Then, with intelligence on top of that(which some may have sometimes), they would understand better.
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I think halloween is GROTESQUE. If kids celebrate this day, they should know that it is really called "hallows eve" a demonic day for pagans. Sorry- but I really DONT like halloween, people act like INSANE idiots, they dress scary as anything, and thats the day these satanic people worship evil- what a STUPID thing. WHY dont they call it KIDS DAY? I stopped halloween after I saw that movie Carrie, that was a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time ago. My mom didnt like halloween and really didnt let us go out for more than an hour, then she was happy, cuz I am the oldest, and I didnt want to go, so nobody went anymore. :beast:
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I said
Regearding the "attack" issue
"Essentially, I could say ...that this is 'an attack', but I don't"
Others make the accusation of being attacked, for less.
I'm not claiming anybody is being attacked, and that is half my point there. Nevertheless, one should take care not to continually reword somebody's explanation in your own words, when your own words are an outrageous allegation. If you don't have the logic to break down the particular word or sentence that you don't understand(and none do here), then don't bother. I did say that some wouldn't be able to grasp it anyway, and I stated the category of whome.
Now, regarding requests for re-explanation.
I've already said that people here don't have the background for my post to resonate with them(or the imagination to simulate that background).
The background I speak of is,
If the people i'm talking to had tried a shabbat - and I mean a strict shabbat, meaning no turning lights on and off. No TV, No Internet. No cooking.
And not just that, but if those people had had the experience of trying shabbat in a variety of different environments.. A religiously left wing modern orthodox one, a black hat one, e.t.c. And routinely. And not just for a day. But sleeping over at the place, really seeing it from start to finish. And they are familiar with what makes for a good shabbat environment, and how the environment can go wrong, all whilst keeping shabbat strictly. Then, with intelligence on top of that(which some may have sometimes), they would understand better.
I hear you, QQ. Can you describe for us your expieriences with black hat Jews and "Left wing" "Modern" Orthodox Jew?
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I stopped halloween after I saw that movie Carrie, that was a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG time ago. My mom didnt like halloween and really didnt let us go out for more than an hour, then she was happy, cuz I am the oldest, and I didnt want to go, so nobody went anymore. :beast:
Carrie was a good movie(and book), but how did it influence you to stop celebrating Halloween. The only link I can see is that it was a so called scary movie.
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I said
Regearding the "attack" issue
"Essentially, I could say ...that this is 'an attack', but I don't"
Others make the accusation of being attacked, for less.
I'm not claiming anybody is being attacked, and that is half my point there. Nevertheless, one should take care not to continually reword somebody's explanation in your own words, when your own words are an outrageous allegation. If you don't have the logic to break down the particular word or sentence that you don't understand(and none do here), then don't bother. I did say that some wouldn't be able to grasp it anyway, and I stated the category of whome.
Now, regarding requests for re-explanation.
I've already said that people here don't have the background for my post to resonate with them(or the imagination to simulate that background).
The background I speak of is,
If the people i'm talking to had tried a shabbat - and I mean a strict shabbat, meaning no turning lights on and off. No TV, No Internet. No cooking.
And not just that, but if those people had had the experience of trying shabbat in a variety of different environments.. A religiously left wing modern orthodox one, a black hat one, e.t.c. And routinely. And not just for a day. But sleeping over at the place, really seeing it from start to finish. And they are familiar with what makes for a good shabbat environment, and how the environment can go wrong, all whilst keeping shabbat strictly. Then, with intelligence on top of that(which some may have sometimes), they would understand better.
I hear you, QQ. Can you describe for us your expieriences with black hat Jews and "Left wing" "Modern" Orthodox Jew?
You would have to experience it in the way that your mind assimilates things.
That is extremely differently to mine.
I could try to get you to think through the experience though., that would be easier, but still very difficult, and alot of work for a discussion forum, not really feasible.
And it would have to be in private, because it would work by first principles.. But then nobody else would benefit. And your benefit would be limited too, because like most people you would be better in conversation than a discussion forum.
Far easier if you just had the experiences yourself, by nook or crook. Even then you may still not understand me. We are not on the same wavelength.
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Carrie is about an extremely cruel and vicious treatment of a young woman who is in an abusive home and then gets abused at school too. It's really awful, one of the most horrible stories ever. King has to have a sick mind to come up with that story.
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Carrie is about an extremely cruel and vicious treatment of a young woman who is in an abusive home and then gets abused at school too. It's really awful, one of the most horrible stories ever. King has to have a sick mind to come up with that story.
actually enjoyed that movie...but yeh..very violent in the end...makes me think of those sick kids who shoot up their schools to get back at people.
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Stephen King, and his work, has always struck me as a bit crazy.
I did like The Shining though.
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Stephen King, and his work, has always struck me as a bit crazy.
I did like The Shining though.
Heeeres Johny!
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muman613
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Stephen King, and his work, has always struck me as a bit crazy.
I did like The Shining though.
Heeeres Johny!
(http://redbullsreader.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/the-shining-here-comes-johnny.jpg)
muman613
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:D
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I liked the short movie the Langoliers, and also I liked Cycle of the Werewolf. I liked the book more than the movie though because the movie was kind of lame.
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CARRIE WAS TERRIBLE! TERRIBLE! I associated Carrie to graveyards, and that seems to be a day when people celebrate dead people- that to me is SICKO- calling up spirits from the dead, SICK MAN. When that hand came out of that grave, that scared me, it was right b4 halloween, so NO MORE. EVER! I would rather ear MOLASSES!