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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: angryChineseKahanist on February 27, 2007, 09:52:12 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO348vCWWk4
Notice a picture of the Rabbi behind him
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YES I DO. I KNOW HIM PERSONALLY. He is Rabbi Mordechai Friedman, an Orthodox Kahanist Rabbi that Chaim also knows. Last time I spoke to him, he had a cable tv show. I think he still has one so you should watch it as he is very entertaining and actually speaks the truth like Chaim. http://www.virtualrabbi.org/American-Board-Of-Rabbis-Calls-For-The-Elimination-Of-All-Terrorist-Heads.html
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That is outrageous that you would compare Friedman to Chaim. That video I posted. Someone downloaded it and reposted it. The original posting is on the SamanthaTheCat channel at Youtube. I started watching that man because yes, he is amusing because he is so stupid and hateful. This guy hates all christians and if you watch his show he basically regulary calls for the extermination of everybody except some jews he agrees with. I posted that clip because I thought the message in that clip was correct and very funny. But that is in no way someone that is of any value whatsoever. Chaim was recently asked about this psycho on Ask JTF. Chaim said he doesn't agree with this guy and in particular because of his retarded views on christians, who he apparently believes are all catholics anyway. I have about 8 of his shows on tape and can back up all my claims. This man is certainly going to hell.
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Allen, be careful before you speak about a Jew who sacrificed much for the Jewish people, and Rabbi Kahane trusted him and gave him a position of leadership within the JDL. And do not forget that many Christian sects do wish to destroy the Jewish people, and have done their best to accomplish this goal. Do not forget that while Chaim follows the Meiri in regards to Christians there are many Jews who follow other Poskim who took a harder line.
Beyond which Chaim has praised Rabbi Friedman while saying he disagrees with him on the Christian issue.
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Allen, I heard the show where Chaim talked about Friedman. He said that he knew Friedman and he was a good jew but disagreed with him on the Christan issue. He didn't say anything bad about him. Rabbi Friedman told me personally that he didn't like that Chaim catered his shows to Christians. I met the Rabbi and I think he is a good man who has almost identical views to Chaim on everything except the Christan stuff. He is also funnier than Chaim to listen too as he really knows how to make fun of people. He is also a Rabbi and well versed in the Torah and knows how to speak like a real Rabbi. When I spoke to him I didn't get the impression that he hated all non Jews so show me the clip where he said that. His shows are aimed for Jews unlike Chaim who's shows are aimed for Gentiles and Jews so the focus is entirely different. He does have a more negative opinion of Chistans than Chaim and I understand where he is coming from since sadly many do hate Jews and he reacts to them like Chaim reacts to the blacks; since the majority are evil, he categorizes the group as evil. If you don't like him that's fine. Everyone has there own opinion. Personally, I think that gentiles have changed in the last few generations and many more are rightous than used to be so I agree with Chaim's perspective. Rightous gentiles are our greatest ally and we should work together. Next time I see him, I'll talk to him more about this stuff.
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Farrakhan Trashcan. ;D The only thing that annoyed me were the weak as urine comments by the leftist flakes underneath.
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By the way, do you guys know that Rabbi Friedman had a cameo on Law and Order?
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Allen, be careful before you speak about a Jew who sacrificed much for the Jewish people, and Rabbi Kahane trusted him and gave him a position of leadership within the JDL. And do not forget that many Christian sects do wish to destroy the Jewish people, and have done their best to accomplish this goal. Do not forget that while Chaim follows the Meiri in regards to Christians there are many Jews who follow other Poskim who took a harder line.
Beyond which Chaim has praised Rabbi Friedman while saying he disagrees with him on the Christian issue.
Hello my friend, and good day to you.
I must say that I agree with you comments whole heartedly.
I met the Rabbi and I think he is a good man who has almost identical views to Chaim on everything except the Christan stuff. He is also funnier than Chaim to listen too as he really knows how to make fun of people.
JDL4ever, I disagree here. I think Friedman has clearly copied a lot of the gimmicks and parodies that Chaim's been using for at least a decade. His choice of words have clearly been influenced by Ben Pesach as well.
Ah well, to each his own I suppose.
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If we are talking about the same show, all I recall Chaim saying about Friedman was that he disagreed with him because of his opinions of christians. I do not recall him saying anything praise worthy of Friedman. I will say this, If JTF ever aligned themselves with this man I would stop supporting JTF immediately. I have some free time next week. I am going to go through the approximately 5 hours of footage I have on Friedman and I am going to make a video showing exactly why no christian should EVER support ANYTHING this man is involved with. He regularly screams at the camera about THE REAL JEWISH MESSIAH and calls christians idolaters. He uses examples of Catholic history that have nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible and condemns christians across the board for it. I was afraid that my posting of that short clip would lead to this man getting attention. Also, my wife saw an episode of his show that unfortunatley I missed and she didn't tape. On it he was saying how in the future gentiles will marry plants and discussed how gentiles will have sex with plants. If you know this genius, could you get me a tape of that show, for it's sheer comedic element I would love to see it!!! My montage of his satanic rants about christians will be forthcoming. Certainly you must realise that someone who hates christians as much as this guy cannot be dismissed by us christians simply because he has helped his own people. I think it is important that christian JTFers know exactly what this guys deal is if even one Jewish JTFer thinks this guy should be taken seriously.
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Furthermore, within "christiandom" [e.g. religious people who follow ritual but have no faith and are biblically illiterate] there is much anti-semitism. Within christianity there is virtually no anti-semitism at all. Friedman makes no distinction between the two, and as someone on a public platform screaming about "christians" he has a responsability to know the difference, or shut up. Also, as my video will demonstrate his attacks are sometimes directed at Jesus directly. :'(
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He does have a more negative opinion of Chistans than Chaim
More negative than Chaim? I wasn't aware Chaim had any negative feelings at all towards christians, he regularly says the opposite. ???
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One more thing. I have a younger brother who calls himself a christian. He also hates jews. He can give you all sorts of demented facts about Hitler and his Bible sits on his book shelf right next to Mein Kampf. I do not associate with him in any way shape or form. Nothing he could possibly do that in any way shape or form would promote christianity would make a difference to me as long as he also is a nazi-loving jew hater. So I don't see your point about Friedman. He is an ignorant and uninformed liar who hates christians because trash like my brother exists? My brother and his ilk are a minority.
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Your brother and his ilk may be a minority but there are many of them nonetheless. There is a two thousand year history between Jews and Christians, and most of that history wasnt very pleasant for the Jews, that isnt erased by recent history. Furthermore some Christian sects including Catholicism, the largest single Christian denomonation, remain anti-Jewish to this day.
Rightous gentiles are our greatest ally and we should work together. Next time I see him, I'll talk to him more about this stuff.
JDL its best to remember that according to the Rambam it is issur for Jews to have formal allies, we must remember Hashem is our strength and only Hashem will save us.
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I think the JTF ideal of having Jews and gentiles unite for common causes is wonderful. But when we obtain power I don't want to see Western nations 'Christianized'. As a gentile I can say that i do not believe the G-d of the 'Old' and 'New' Testaments are the same. But because the urge to create division and dissension is Evil I will not go into it. But needless to say our ideal must be to have the masses of the people of the nations become Noahides which, by the way, is a LOT more difficult than sitting back and 'washing away one's sins with the blood of him who died on the cross'.
On sexual immorality for example I am stuck. Because I have intense lustfulness and I have little inclination to stop it. It is written somewhere that gentiles have relatively less free will than do Jewish people and this is correct. Neither do the cattle or beasts of the field have free will, everything they do because they must, they are like machines. A cow cannot make decisions on how to act; it can be neither good nor bad, much, I might add, to the chagrin of the Hindus.
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Noahides which, by the way, is a LOT more difficult than sitting back and 'washing away one's sins with the blood of him who died on the cross'
Sitting back? What do you know? All you do on this forum is rant like a coward and show no evidence whatsoever of a backbone. Dying for satan is easy, the cowards way out. Living for G-d takes courage. I spent 5 years doing christian work in a ex-communist country. You know nothing.
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He does have a more negative opinion of Chistans than Chaim
More negative than Chaim? I wasn't aware Chaim had any negative feelings at all towards christians, he regularly says the opposite. ???
I meant simply he has a more negative opinion than CHaim. I know that Chaim loves Richous gentiles and I didn't mean to imply that Chaim has negative feelings toward Christians.
Friedman probably thinks that most Christains are anti semites. You say that they are the minority and I hope that is true. I agree that Gentiles shouldn't watch him since his shows are aimed at Jews and he probably says some stuff that Gentiles don't like since you know that while I love Richous gentiles, we do have some philisophical differences. For the same reason, I wouldn't watch a Christain Priest preaching to his people on Cable TV since he has different opinions than myself. It is unlike Chaim who's show is different since he talks to Gentiles and Jews so he is more political on these areas and avoids topics of strife.
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Friedman probably thinks that most Christains are anti semites. You say that they are the minority and I hope that is true. I agree that Gentiles shouldn't watch him since his shows are aimed at Jews and he probably says some stuff that Gentiles don't like since you know that while I love Richous gentiles, we do have some philisophical differences. For the same reason, I wouldn't watch a Christain Priest preaching to his people on Cable TV since he has different opinions than myself. It is unlike Chaim who's show is different since he talks to Gentiles and Jews so he is more political on these areas and avoids topics of strife.
This sounds to me very suspicious. If someone would say things that you know are wrong and genuinely offensive to people you respect, why would you watch him in secret? Does the fact that he spews hatred of christians on TV but it's aimed at jews make it ok. I would like to also add that I first discovered him the morning after my wedding night in our hotel room by accident. Good morning. Anyway, I am so annoyed about this, my video of his hatred against christians is done. I want someone to watch it first, it should be posted in a day or two.
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He's on T.V. in Queens he cracks me up ..but he does hate everyone especially Blacks and Poles
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Allen-T, you are confusing hatred with disagreement. You and I know that jews and christains have major differences of opinion on many areas. So I don't consider a christan to be an anti semite if a reverand or priest goes on TV and says that those who don't believe in their savior will go to hell and that christains are the chosen people or something like that. This is what they believe and I respect their beliefs even if I think they are wrong. So you shouldn't consider a jew to hate christains if he goes on TV and pokes fun at jesus since us jews believe that he was a heretic. There is a difference between poking fun at another religion that you disagree with and hating those who practice it.
I love Richous christains and I think that Richous gentiles will go to heaven if they obey the 7 noahide laws but judaism doesn't agree with many of their beliefs. Similarly, Richous christians should love Richous jews and work together with us to make the world a better place even if they don't agree with the Jewish religion. So I don't see the problem if a Rabbi has a TV show aimed at Jews and he makes fun of Christain doctrines that he thinks doesn't follow Judaism just like I wouldn't care if a christain did the same thing on his TV show. But I would have a problem if someone got on and advocated the killing of Christains or Jews and the hatred of one another.
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Allen-T, you are confusing hatred with disagreement. You and I know that jews and christains have major differences of opinion on many areas. So I don't consider a christan to be an anti semite if a reverand or priest goes on TV and says that those who don't believe in their savior will go to hell and that christains are the chosen people or something like that. This is what they believe and I respect their beliefs even if I think they are wrong. So you shouldn't consider a jew to hate christains if he goes on TV and pokes fun at jesus since us jews believe that he was a heretic. There is a difference between poking fun at another religion that you disagree with and hating those who practice it.
I love Richous christains and I think that Richous gentiles will go to heaven if they obey the 7 noahide laws but judaism doesn't agree with many of their beliefs. Similarly, Richous christians should love Richous jews and work together with us to make the world a better place even if they don't agree with the Jewish religion. So I don't see the problem if a Rabbi has a TV show aimed at Jews and he makes fun of Christain doctrines that he thinks doesn't follow Judaism just like I wouldn't care if a christain did the same thing on his TV show. But I would have a problem if someone got on and advocated the killing of Christains or Jews and the hatred of one another.
Then I guess you will have a different opinion about Friedman after I post the video I made. After all, according to him "ipso-facto" a good christian means being an anti-semite"[and he cites the scripture as proof, not even human behavior] and "all Irish-Catholic anti-semites should be time-machined back to the Irish potato famine because enough of them didn't die". It's all there and then some.
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The video I put together is really addressed to other christians that support JTF. My feeling is that as a christian I have to put the well being of other christians in this organisation on just a slightly higher plain than everyone else. So if any talk whatsoever is being done here on this forum, or in any JTF related context, which speaks in a positive light about Mordechai Friedman I have a responsability to the other christians to let them know exactly what this guy preaches which is anti-christ hatred. When a christian preaches that without Christ there is only hell, he is saying it because he believes it to be true and to stay quiet would be akin to murder. So you may not agree with that, but you can see his motive is for your eternal safety, as he understands things. Friedman, on the other hand preaches holocaust & revenge and lies about history. I have no doubt that if my life were in Friedman's hands he would kill me if he could. A right motived christian and a revenge hungry mocking Rabbi can't be compared.
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Then I guess you will have a different opinion about Friedman after I post the video I made. After all, according to him "ipso-facto" a good christian means being an anti-semite"[and he cites the scripture as proof, not even human behavior] and "all Irish-Catholic anti-semites should be time-machined back to the Irish potato famine because enough of them didn't die". It's all there and then some.
He said anti-Semites, frankly I'd be happy if all anti-Semites dropped dead tomorrow. But that doesnt mean I have anything but love for righteous people.
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When you watch him it is clear he means all Irish Catholics are anti-semites. He barely speaks correct english. I had to keep the video under 10 minutes. So I had to do some editing. He never makes distinctions. If he says ipso-facto all good christians are anti-semites then the previous quote can only be interpreted one way, that is all Irish Catholics are anti-semites who should be killed.
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He's on T.V. in Queens he cracks me up ..but he does hate everyone especially Blacks and Poles
That's the thing, he is funny. He has that same comical/psychotic duality that Charles Manson has.
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Then I guess you will have a different opinion about Friedman after I post the video I made.
Hello my friend, and good day to you.
What do you plan to accomplish by posting this video presumably to youtube? You do understand the backlash will not be against that Rabbi, but against the Jewish people as a whole as this last clip proves http://youtube.com/watch?v=UO348vCWWk4 Located at that link is nothing short of virulent attacks on the Jewish people in the comments section, and I fear your video will only provoke the same reaction - only worse.
Rabbi Friedman makes general statements about Gentiles, which are true. Chaim makes the same vitriolic statements about blacks, but he understands there are exceptions. Rabbi Friedman is a knowledgeable Rabbi and is aware that there is a small remnant of 'righteous gentiles' on Earth or the 'pious amongst the nations' if you will, but doesn't vocalize that many times on his show. That was kahaneloyalist's point -- as a non-Jew the show isn't really made for you, not because it's some big secret, but because a person unversed in Jewish concepts, Torah, and Talmud simply doesn't have the capacity to listen to Rabbi Friedman in the proper context. Most Jews wouldn’t even understand Friedman, just like most Jews slandered the great Rabbi Kahane HY”D as a racist, and bigot.
I ask that you don't post that video to you tube, Allen. If you want JTF'ers to see it might I suggest you upload it to yousendit, and post the link.
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Hello my friend, and good day to you.
What do you plan to accomplish by posting this video presumably to youtube? You do understand the backlash will not be against that Rabbi, but against the Jewish people as a whole as this last clip proves http://youtube.com/watch?v=UO348vCWWk4 Located at that link is nothing short of virulent attacks on the Jewish people in the comments section, and I fear your video will only provoke the same reaction - only worse.
Rabbi Friedman makes general statements about Gentiles, which are true. Chaim makes the same vitriolic statements about blacks, but he understands there are exceptions. Rabbi Friedman is a knowledgeable Rabbi and is aware that there is a small remnant of 'righteous gentiles' on Earth or the 'pious amongst the nations' if you will, but doesn't vocalize that many times on his show. That was kahaneloyalist's point -- as a non-Jew the show isn't really made for you, not because it's some big secret, but because a person unversed in Jewish concepts, Torah, and Talmud simply doesn't have the capacity to listen to Rabbi Friedman in the proper context. Most Jews wouldn’t even understand Friedman, just like most Jews slandered the great Rabbi Kahane HY”D as a racist, and bigot.
I ask that you don't post that video to you tube, Allen. If you want JTF'ers to see it might I suggest you upload it to yousendit, and post the link.
Thank you. I have real reservations about posting the video for exactly the reasons you point out. The last thing in the world I want to do is to incite hatred against jews in general. It is disturbing to me that people that support JTF would acknowledge this guy. I don't think I need to be versed in Torah[which I am] or Talmud to know hatred when I see it. It disturbs me a great deal that you think their is a proper[and acceptable] context to his statements about christians. I agree that he says some things I think are true. But he also says things that are inexcusable. Stop trying to whitewash his words. let me ask you something. Before I became interested in supporting JTF, I seriously considered involvment with the Ku Klux Klan. I agree with most of what they say. BUT, their attitude toward jews is totally unacceptable. I could justify it by saying, well, they see the self-hating jews that JTF themselves hates and curses and they don't really know about jews like the Kahanists so I guess their ok. BULLS&IT!! I would be spitting in G-d's face if I had anything to do with any anti-semitism[or anti-christian ideas] no matter how much good was mixed with it. Your statements, and the statements of others here are akin to my joining the Klan with the justification I explained already. Friedman says that his goal for getting power in Israel is to first exterminate the muslims[OK with me] but them to start perpetuating holocausts in Europe and elsewhere. No different than the Klan. So, I will not post this video. But I will say here and now that I am still working on some details with it, and when it is done I will make copies of it on DVD for anyone that wants to see it in the privacy of their own home. Fair enough?
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I know both Friedman and Chaim personally. So let me clarify a few points:
Friedman and Chaim have HUGE differences:
*Friedman believes that most Gentiles are anti-Semites; Chaim believes that most WHITE Gentiles should be natural allies of the Jewish people.
*Friedman believes that the Irish are anti-Semitic; he had some bad experiences with Irish cops. Chaim, on the other hand, grew up with many Irish people and he genuinely likes them. Of course, Chaim hates ANYONE who is anti-Semitic. But Chaim does NOT agree with Friedman that the Irish are generally Jew-haters.
*Friedman believes that Christians and Christianity are anti-Semitic. Chaim completely disagrees with Friedman on this issue. Chaim considers Bible-believing Christians to be righteous Gentiles. Friedman considers Christians to be idolaters. Now here's the really big difference: Chaim believes that even if Gentiles practice idolatry, they can still be righteous and have a place in the World To Come (eternal life). Chaim believes that HaShem (G-d) will forgive Gentiles who practice idolatry as long as the Gentiles are moral righteous people and support Israel and the Jews. Chaim believes that Gentiles who were brought up to believe in idolatry will not be blamed for their mistaken belief on Judgement Day as long as these Gentiles are moral righteous people. Friedman disagrees with this view.
*Friedman and Chaim both believe that Israel's survival is not dependent on Gentile support. But Chaim wants the Gentiles to fulfill G-d's commandment to bless the Jews, not because he believes it will save Israel, but because he believes it will save the Gentiles. Chaim believes that making Gentiles righteous and saving their souls for the next world of eternal life is part of the Jewish mission as "a light unto the nations." Friedman doesn't agree with this view at all.
Friedman is not the only Jew who opposes Chaim's view that G-d wants Jews and Christians to unite to make this a better world. Yekutiel's group and Revava also frequently criticize Chaim's alliance with the Christians.
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Allen-T, in my opinion, you are playing into the hands of the Muslims if you air Friedman's programs. The Muslims want Christians and Jews to fight each other instead of concentrating on the real threat, which is Islam.
In my opinion, Friedman is nuts. (OK, I admit I'm offended by his anti-Irish comments.)
What are we gaining by causing tension and hatred between Christians and Jews? Aren't all right-wing Americans and Israelis supposed to be united? Well, anyway, that's my opinion.
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*Friedman believes that most Gentiles are anti-Semites; Chaim believes that most WHITE Gentiles should be natural allies of the Jewish people.
*Friedman believes that Christians and Christianity are anti-Semitic. Chaim completely disagrees with Friedman on this issue. Chaim considers Bible-believing Christians to be righteous Gentiles. Friedman considers Christians to be idolaters. Now here's the really big difference: Chaim believes that even if Gentiles practice idolatry, they can still be righteous and have a place in the World To Come (eternal life). Chaim believes that HaShem (G-d) will forgive Gentiles who practice idolatry as long as the Gentiles are moral righteous people and support Israel and the Jews. Chaim believes that Gentiles who were brought up to believe in idolatry will not be blamed for their mistaken belief on Judgement Day as long as these Gentiles are moral righteous people. Friedman disagrees with this view.
*Friedman and Chaim both believe that Israel's survival is not dependent on Gentile support. But Chaim wants the Gentiles to fulfill G-d's commandment to bless the Jews, not because he believes it will save Israel, but because he believes it will save the Gentiles. Chaim believes that making Gentiles righteous and saving their souls for the next world of eternal life is part of the Jewish mission as "a light unto the nations." Friedman doesn't agree with this view at all.
This is not a new debate the Poskim hae argued on this issue for many centuries. Boiled down Chaim follows the opinion of the Meiri and Rabbi Friedman follows the Rambam, and Ramban.
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Your opinion on this jsullivan is a good one I agree entirely. Christians and Jews cant afford not to be united in challenging times such as we have today. Muslims are branching out throughout the world in ever increasing numbers.
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Thank you jsullivan. I agree with you and I greatly appreciate your detailed clarification. Allen-T
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could everyone comment on the video since a slew of Nazis and self-hating Jews have posted on it already.