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NEW YORK – An ultra-orthodox Jewish group based in Brooklyn confirmed that a New York rabbi and his wife are among the dead in the India terrorist attack.
Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg and his wife, Rivkah, who ran the Chabad-Lubavitch movement's local headquarters in Mumbai, India, were killed during a hostage standoff at the center, the group said.
The center was one of 10 sites attacked beginning Wednesday.
The couple's toddler son, Moshe Holtzberg, was taken out of the center by an employee, and is now with his grandparents.
"Gabi and Rivky Holtzberg made the ultimate sacrifice," said Rabbi Moshe Kotlarsky, vice chairman of the educational arm of Chabad-Lubavitch.
The Holtzbergs arrived in Mumbai in 2003 to serve the local Jewish community. The two ran a synagogue, offering religious instruction and helping people dealing with drug addiction and poverty, Kotlarsky said.
Gavriel Holtzberg, 29, was born in Israel and moved to the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn with his parents when he was nine. His 28-yera-old wife was also Israeli-born.
Twelve hours after gunmen stormed the center Wednesday, Sandra Samuel, a cook at the center, heard little Moshe's cries outside the room in which she had barricaded herself. She opened the door, grabbed the toddler and ran outside with another center worker.
The little boy's pants were soaked with blood, and Samuel said she saw four people lying on the floor as she fled.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081128/ap_on_re_us/india_shooting_us_victims
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Don't expect Bnai Jessuron to be upset about this. Liberal Jews are partially responsible for this, because they always bend over backwards to appease the monsters responsible for the attacks. I just hope that India has the common sense to retaliate and do what is right despite whatever the UN tells them to do.
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I would rather be alive and hated, but respected than be a loved Auschwitz.
here is an example of people feeling sorry for dead Jews...but it doesn't do a bit of good when your dead. >:(
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Very tragic and very sad.
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It is terrible and sad. Rest in peace. :'(
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Don't expect Bnai Jessuron to be upset about this. Liberal Jews are partially responsible for this, because they always bend over backwards to appease the monsters responsible for the attacks. I just hope that India has the common sense to retaliate and do what is right despite whatever the UN tells them to do.
Well, I will tell you, I am glad at least that this isn't Israel, where the captured terrorists would almost certainly be freed in a few years as part of a "confidence-building" measure for Abbas. And 65% of the dumbs&%@ Israeli public would be just fine with it.
Anyway, words cannot express how angry I am right now. Only the rabbi's three-year-old child and the worker who sneaked him out survived. :'(
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India will know what to do with these guys.. they could give a rat's a** what the U.N tells them.
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DEATH TO ISLAM, DEATH TO IRAN!
MAY THE BLOOD OF RABBI HOLTZBERG BE AVENGED!
I am in shock because of the inaction of the Jewish people. We have been so obviously attacked in this case. To attack the Jewish center was a premeditated plot. The Jewish population in India is miniscule yet they decided to attack this Chabad house. I love Chabad and give money each year to both the national and my local Chabad. I feel as if a member of my family has once again been taken from me and my family. They are trying to kill me and I feel that unless I fight back I am just commiting suicide by letting these islamic criminals get away with it.
I want to see the Muslims lying dead on the seashore just as the Egyptians were smited at the Sea of Reeds. I want to see Hashems outstretched hand smashing the Muslims leaving their putrid remains as testimony to his righteousness. I want to see Allah trampled and humiliated before the eyes of the world. May the Muslims be utterly destroyed!
muman613
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DEATH TO ISLAM, DEATH TO IRAN!
MAY THE BLOOD OF RABBI HOLTZBERG BE AVENGED!
I am in shock because of the inaction of the Jewish people. We have been so obviously attacked in this case. To attack the Jewish center was a premeditated plot. The Jewish population in India is miniscule yet they decided to attack this Chabad house. I love Chabad and give money each year to both the national and my local Chabad. I feel as if a member of my family has once again been taken from me and my family. They are trying to kill me and I feel that unless I fight back I am just commiting suicide by letting these islamic criminals get away with it.
I want to see the Muslims lying dead on the seashore just as the Egyptians were smited at the Sea of Reeds. I want to see Hashems outstretched hand smashing the Muslims leaving their putrid remains as testimony to his righteousness. I want to see Allah trampled and humiliated before the eyes of the world. May the Muslims be utterly destroyed!
muman613
May G_d fulfill it...
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I am angered and grieved at the same time. I am furious at these Islamists. I wish the whole world would identify this religion as a religion from hell. I wish the media would show it as it is and condemn it (wishful thinking, I know). I am deeply grieved for the family, and especially the son who has to grow up without his beloved parents. This must really anger God. I am furious. I hope all the American churches speak up about this. We all need to come against it. The Jewish people have been through enough. This is hiddeous, demonic, and horrible!!! >:(
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DEATH TO ISLAM, DEATH TO IRAN!
MAY THE BLOOD OF RABBI HOLTZBERG BE AVENGED!
I am in shock because of the inaction of the Jewish people. We have been so obviously attacked in this case. To attack the Jewish center was a premeditated plot. The Jewish population in India is miniscule yet they decided to attack this Chabad house. I love Chabad and give money each year to both the national and my local Chabad. I feel as if a member of my family has once again been taken from me and my family. They are trying to kill me and I feel that unless I fight back I am just commiting suicide by letting these islamic criminals get away with it.
I want to see the Muslims lying dead on the seashore just as the Egyptians were smited at the Sea of Reeds. I want to see Hashems outstretched hand smashing the Muslims leaving their putrid remains as testimony to his righteousness. I want to see Allah trampled and humiliated before the eyes of the world. May the Muslims be utterly destroyed!
muman613
Amen.
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Need of the hour... No more Jihadi Terrorism.
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I am angered and grieved at the same time. I am furious at these Islamists. I wish the whole world would identify this religion as a religion from hell. I wish the media would show it as it is and condemn it (wishful thinking, I know). I am deeply grieved for the family, and especially the son who has to grow up without his beloved parents. This must really anger G-d. I am furious. I hope all the American churches speak up about this. We all need to come against it. The Jewish people have been through enough. This is hiddeous, demonic, and horrible!!! >:(
Excellent comments.
My thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of all the good people who lost their lives because of these terrorist beasts.
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AQ Jihadi centers at tremor struck Muzaffarabad and Muridke must be blown out...
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This calls for Jewish vengeance. Someday we'll have a functioning Sanhedrin in the Land of Israel and a self-respecting Jewish establishment that will inspire fear of the G-d of Israel into all the world, especially Muslim terrorist swine like this. This whole scenario is infuriating and gut wrenching at the same time.
They were there to help the poor and drug addicts and all the travelling Israelis who needed something Jewish in their lives. These chabad tzaddikim lived to give of themselves to others. ZT"L, may G-d avenge their blood.
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This calls for Jewish vengeance. Someday we'll have a functioning Sanhedrin in the Land of Israel and a self-respecting Jewish establishment that will inspire fear of the G-d of Israel into all the world, especially Muslim terrorist swine like this. This whole scenario is infuriating and gut wrenching at the same time.
They were there to help the poor and drug addicts and all the travelling Israelis who needed something Jewish in their lives. These chabad tzaddikim lived to give of themselves to others. ZT"L, may G-d avenge their blood.
And to religious jews travelling , as businessmen, or in their gap year before university.. Trying to keep kosher, and keep/observe shabbat. It was a jewish outpost for all jews..
maybe even most jews that visited india, have looked for a chabad house ..
I wish they had all been armed..
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This calls for Jewish vengeance. Someday we'll have a functioning Sanhedrin in the Land of Israel and a self-respecting Jewish establishment that will inspire fear of the G-d of Israel into all the world, especially Muslim terrorist swine like this. This whole scenario is infuriating and gut wrenching at the same time.
They were there to help the poor and drug addicts and all the travelling Israelis who needed something Jewish in their lives. These chabad tzaddikim lived to give of themselves to others. ZT"L, may G-d avenge their blood.
And to religious jews travelling , as businessmen, or in their gap year before university.. Trying to keep kosher, and keep/observe shabbat. It was a jewish outpost for all jews..
maybe even most jews that visited india, have looked for a chabad house ..
I wish they had all been armed..
I really wonder why this animals always attack Chabad. Chabad is doing nothing bad, only good. They focus mainly on their own communities and are always kind to the gentiles.
In my country the evil people (quranimals and othe anti-semites) have attacked them and their institutions in the last time often. One time even with a knife.
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I hope the media attention can at least be used by Chabad to promote Judaism. While the lives can never be replaced, I can see 770 sending even more people to fill the places of those butchered. I would normally prefer to see Jews sent to Israel, but in this case I'm deviating. The message needs to show the world that they cannot weaken us through persecution.
There are a lot of Jews who have given up the faith and taken on Indian religions and cultures instead. That is why it is important to have a Chabad presence their to remind them that Hashem is still their G-d and that they can still return to the torah.
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I really wonder why this animals always attack Chabad. Chabad is doing nothing bad, only good. They focus mainly on their own communities and are always kind to the gentiles.
In my country the evil people (quranimals and othe anti-semites) have attacked them and their institutions in the last time often. One time even with a knife.
It's an outwardly jewish place. Probably open to visitors almost 24/7, never empty.
there aren't many jewish places in india.
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I have been between Anger and Tears. Today I am ready to get some revenge. Islam is a [censored] Death Cult. Screw each and every last Muslims. I am going to wear a Kippah to work instead of a Hat tonight I don't give a [censored] what the Dirty Muslims tahat come on my line think
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G-d bless these beautiful Jewish missionaries (and now martyrs). I don't think their deaths were in vain, even if we cannot see it now. May G-d avenge their blood, and visit their fate on all self-hating Judeo-Christians who feel sympathy for Islamic Amalek. King David cried out to G-d to ferociously judge his (and His) enemies. We should all lift up similar imprecations to the L-rd right now.
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Where is the outrage about this? The media is mum as usual and the politicians are not identifying the real cause of this yet.
According to that satanic religion of islam "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)." (this is stated in Hamas charter)
http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/muslim/041.html
Imagine if some Jews or IDF soldiers killed a muslim mullah or US soldiers in Iraq murdered a muslim imam ....there would be a world wide outrage and riots everywhere. The evil left wing media is fond of running stories about how fags are persecuted by religious fundamentalists and how religious fundamentalists want to destroy abortion clinics.
(http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/specials/popup/black_cat_29.jpg)
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That is so true. I heard the Iranian leader say that he must bring chaos in order for his false Messiah to come to reign on the earth. They want to kill the Jews and America to bring about this chaos he speaks of.....I think they believe that their false Messiah will come out of Iraq at the time of chaos to bring "peace" (false peace). It is all about killing. I think that is why we must do all that we can to financially help the Jewish people to protect them from these demonic attacks. We need to help financially and with outspokenness....in every way, protect God's chosen people.....I have such a burning desire to do this.
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And we cannot forget that the rabbi and his wife who were killed were the best of the best even amongst great jews. They gave up the comforts of home to help their fellow jews. This is just another example of why lubavitchers are so wonderful. I wish Chaim was in power in Israel so we could have a real leader who would properly avenge the death of these two wonderful jews.
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This event has happened in my home country. It breaks my heart to see the absolute disregard for life, If this islamists want a war why dont they have the guts to do it against the th Indian army. If you watch any video on youtube about this; you notice how the pakistanis are gloating about this whole incident. We need to wipe the smirk off their face; I think the world is realizing that the terrorists are uniting. Its time for us to Unite and fight this head on. They wanted to kill 5000 people.
Long live India-Israel Unity.
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This event has happened in my home country. It breaks my heart to see the absolute disregard for life, If this islamists want a war why dont they have the guts to do it against the th Indian army. If you watch any video on youtube about this; you notice how the pakistanis are gloating about this whole incident. We need to wipe the smirk off their face; I think the world is realizing that the terrorists are uniting. Its time for us to Unite and fight this head on. They wanted to kill 5000 people.
Long live India-Israel Unity.
since you've seen the videos..can you link to some videos showing it?
(I'm sure you're right)
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At least a blog is available regarding the Terrorist Claims of attacks Intended to Kill 5000 peoples:
http://catherinemacivorlegalblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/mumbai-aftermath-terrorist-kill-5000/
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This event has happened in my home country. It breaks my heart to see the absolute disregard for life, If this islamists want a war why dont they have the guts to do it against the th Indian army. If you watch any video on youtube about this; you notice how the pakistanis are gloating about this whole incident. We need to wipe the smirk off their face; I think the world is realizing that the terrorists are uniting. Its time for us to Unite and fight this head on. They wanted to kill 5000 people.
Long live India-Israel Unity.
since you've seen the videos..can you link to some videos showing it?
(I'm sure you're right)
I apologize it came out wrong; i meant a lot the Pakistani users left comments saying that we deserved it for supporting the attack on Pakistan.
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(http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/25947-2/rock+ak47.jpg)
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I am finding it hard to suppress the urge to go out and kill muslims. These uncaged beasts have no right to be living amongst the civilised.
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I am finding it hard to suppress the urge to go out and kill muslims. These uncaged beasts have no right to be living amongst the civilised.
It's not worth going to prison for those animals. They're like a hydra, you cut off one head and two grow in its place.
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In that case all their heads have to be cut in one go.
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We were having Thanksgiving dinner at my home (some former JDL friends, my husband, my kids and another friend), when we heard the news on the radio (Mark Levin Show was on.)
I am very active with our local Chabad House. We are close friends with the rabbi and his wife (both of whom are from Israel, as these martyred Jews in India also were). I am still in shock, and I find myself going from rage to sorrow.
I have a friend online whom I met in a Jewish online discussion group which I dropped out of when I realized they were nothing but scum-sucking, suicidal leftist Arab-loving Jews. He realized it the same time I did, but he is still on their list.
He emailed me to say that after this attack, the leftist "religious" Jews on the forum got SILENT. NOT A WORD.
What f****ing hypocrites these self-hating pieces of garbage are! Even "kike" is too good a word for them!! They align themselves with the enemies of Am Yisrael, and should receive no mercy from any of us! They are JUST AS MUCH to blame for this martyrdom as the terrorists are because they enabled them to do this!
May G-d avenge the blood of Rabbi and Mrs Holtzberg, HY"D!
For those who would like to, please send donations to help their orphaned 2 year old son, Moshe.
Donations should be sent to:
The Moshe Holtzberg Foundation
c/o CHABAD
770 Eastern Parkway
Brooklyn, NY 11213
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Chabad is holding an event in San Francisco tomorrow night at the JCC.
I am thinking of attending...
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t's just sick the Those leftard ... are apologising the pour mo-slimes again:
http://www.thepiratescove.us/2008/11/29/american-muslims-justify-mumbai-so-do-american-liberals >:( >:( >:(
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I seen him in my job in borough park, he knows one of my co-worker
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http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/01mumterror-everyone-dissolved-in-tears-at-the-childs-grief.htm
QUOTE>> While the Israeli ambassador was giving a speech, Moshe started crying for his mother, saying all the time, "Heva, heva!", meaning 'mother'. The whole congregation dissolved in tears at the child's grief -- the rabbi, the ambassador, everyone. And these tears will flow to the almighty God, who will take action, even if man does not. <<UNQUOTE
:'(
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I am from Mumbai, i visited this Chabad house 2 days to offer my prayers, it pains me a lot whenever i read the article relating to Chabad house attack.. As a hindu we have suffered a lot of persecution from muslims... During the terrorist attack on Nariman House.. a group of Hindu Nationalists "Shiv Sena" tried to stop the attackers by throwing rocks on them, in return the terrorists threw a grenade and some of the Hindu fundamentalists got killed. I am just thinking that had they been carrying guns instead of rocks from street.. things would have been different.
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If any one amongst the gathered public could have got a legal firearm during the initial stage, the resultant events would have been somewhat different.
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I am from Mumbai, i visited this Chabad house 2 days to offer my prayers, it pains me a lot whenever i read the article relating to Chabad house attack.. As a hindu we have suffered a lot of persecution from muslims... During the terrorist attack on Nariman House.. a group of Hindu Nationalists "Shiv Sena" tried to stop the attackers by throwing rocks on them, in return the terrorists threw a grenade and some of the Hindu fundamentalists got killed. I am just thinking that had they been carrying guns instead of rocks from street.. things would have been different.
G-d bless everyone who tried to stop the Massacre.
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I am from Mumbai, i visited this Chabad house 2 days to offer my prayers, it pains me a lot whenever i read the article relating to Chabad house attack.. As a hindu we have suffered a lot of persecution from muslims... During the terrorist attack on Nariman House.. a group of Hindu Nationalists "Shiv Sena" tried to stop the attackers by throwing rocks on them, in return the terrorists threw a grenade and some of the Hindu fundamentalists got killed. I am just thinking that had they been carrying guns instead of rocks from street.. things would have been different.
You are right. If guns are so easily available , and they seem to be. Then guns should certainly be legalized, or the bad guys get them and the good guys don't.
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Those who murder Jews are making a statement that there is no G-d. Every Jew who is silent in the aftermath of an attack is agreeing with this.