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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: The One and Only Mo on January 23, 2009, 03:21:04 AM
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yeah so I've been posting a lot of anti-Obama stuff on facebook and 70 percent of my friends think I'm some sort of Nazi. Granted they are very left-wing, but I can't believe I actually associate with people who don't see things the same way I do. My own mom likes Obama, and I showed her JTF stuff, but she thinks JTF is extreme. How can I put up with all this insolence and ignorance without looking like a member of the KKK?
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I am lucky that none of my immediate family voted for the Obamanation. But my advice to you is to not get angry at them when they don't quite get it. I believe that as time goes by they will eventually see the truth. In the meantime present them with the facts. If they are Jewish you can show them Rabbi Kahane who was very charismatic and able to explain the facts in a very convincing manner. I have faced the same kind of aversion when I tell people I have Kahanist leanings. We are not racists because the issue is not race, it is simply what is best for this country and for Israel and world Jewry.
Do not hate Obama in your heart. Hate is self-destructive. it is the reason I left the demoncrat party. I could not stand the irrational hatred of GW Bush {who I did actively hate for almost 3 years}. What an intelligent and wises person will do is consider all the options and act in a manner which will change things. Do not alienate your friends who may be able to assist you in the future.
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So should I stop spreading JTF stuff on facebook?
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Mo2388, a suggestion I have is to give your Mom the opportunity to listen to the commentary that Chaim ( and David ) provided in a number of JTF videos. Along with some of the Ask JTF programs. The more of the JTF content one is able to absorb ( this doesn't apply to evil people ), the greater the chance that person will develop an appreciation for the righteous goals and objectives JTF is trying to accomplish.
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my Mom's not the big issue, although I appreciate your advice. It's more my friends and acquaintances criticizing me every time I post something right-wing on facebook.
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Mo, I think in the first line you should not internalize the defamation. The leftist use this in order to win the political debate. It is only a tactic.
Leftists are in the most cases the most racist people ever. Their whole ideology is about race.
Look they catagorize people in different groups according to their race and treat them different.
WE all know the system of affirmative action. If they quote MLK they lie, because we all know what they do specially on the Universities.
Leftists also believe that certain groups odf people are not or not fully responsible for their deeds.
Leftist think also, that it is racist to criticice their black politicians. Makes this sense?
And my last point: WHY IS OBAMA BLACK? He is as white as he is black. Why is he defining himself as a black man? My suggestion is, that he wanted the political and social advantage because Jews and white Christians feel guilty towards this group.
Obama is a man like all other too. Look how the leftists attacked i.e. George Bush. It was really hard.
We have the right to attack Barak "I am a Socialist" Obama (as well as a Muzzie lover), as hard as the evil leftists did to Bush. This is rational and guilt belongs not in the political competition.
P.S.: If it would be about who suffered more in history, Jews would win every competion. So don't internalize this silly accusations.
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my Mom's not the big issue, although I appreciate your advice. It's more my friends and acquaintances criticizing me every time I post something right-wing on facebook.
Which goes to prove how fascistic these Left-wingers are. I've lost a lot of so-called "friends", too. You can either hide your true beliefs and keep these "friends", or you can be true to yourself and find new and better friends.
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One thing you can consider doing if you haven't already is start a Zoo Tube or Liveleak page, promoting anti- Barack Hussein Obama videos and info. At the same time promoting JTF and other righteous causes and/ or people. One of my primary focuses on Zoo Tube is to promote Sarah Palin, in addition to supporting JTF, and opposing Obamination.
You can use a nickname that your friends will never know about. By no means I'm I suggesting that you should eliminate your anti- Obama Facebook efforts totally. By spending less time with that though and more time with promoting JTF / anti- Obama stuff elsewhere, it will lessen the tension with your friends. And you still will be helping spread righteous messages and info.
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Thanks a lot guys, points taken. In the mean time if any of you have facebook and would like to give me some assistance against some guy who is three times my age and has degrees (i have none yet) along with a few other people criticizing the JTF stuff I posted, send me a private message. Thanks.
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Thanks a lot guys, points taken. In the mean time if any of you have facebook and would like to give me some assistance against some guy who is three times my age and has degrees (i have none yet) along with a few other people criticizing the JTF stuff I posted, send me a private message. Thanks.
just ask yourself if they or the people they stand with, accept their standard themselves
ask them if the people that spoke against sarah palin were racist extremists too - racists against white people?
or you could say that it has nothing to do with skin colour for you, since if Alan Keyes (JTF is in favour of him), ran, then JTF would support him.
Infact, Obama's "old" "church" was racist against white people! and against america. so they are either against racism, or they are for racism. But they should be consistent. He was still supported and got as far as he did when he was a member.
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Thanks a lot guys, points taken. In the mean time if any of you have facebook and would like to give me some assistance against some guy who is three times my age and has degrees (i have none yet) along with a few other people criticizing the JTF stuff I posted, send me a private message. Thanks.
just ask yourself if they or the people they stand with, accept their standard themselves
ask them if the people that spoke against sarah palin were racist extremists too - racists against white people?
or you could say that it has nothing to do with skin colour for you, since if Alan Keyes (JTF is in favour of him), ran, then JTF would support him.
Infact, Obama's "old" "church" was racist against white people! and against america. so they are either against racism, or they are for racism. But they should be consistent. He was still supported and got as far as he did when he was a member.
Yes this is true.
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Most of my friends think I'm much too moderate,they actually think i'm a civil rights proponent
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well, that just sounds a bit too extreme, wouldn't you say? you should call them extremists for their extreme judgement of your normal opinion.
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Just keep telling the TRUTH. FIVE 5 EXECUTIVE ORDERS in THREE 3 DAYS, that is NOT a president, it is a DICTATOR. People who tell the TRUTH are often seen as extreme, just when you tell it, be calm, DO NOT cave in, and get angry.
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This is the TRUTH, and what Briann wrote:
1) set 245 Terrorists on the way to freedom
2) His congressional committee has announced that stimulus money should be limited from going to 'white' males.
3) PROHIBITED WATERBOARDING
4) signed 5 executive orders in the first 3 days of office (more than the last 6 presidents COMBINED!!)
5) given orders to dismantle the CIA terrorist watch overseas.
6) Military cutbacks galore, missle defense systems dismanteled.
7) Moslems placed in high positions by his administration.
8- Called for A two State solution for Israel ....forcing israel to give up land again.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST WEEK OF HIS PRESIDENCY. IF THIS IS THE FIRST THING HE HAS DONE WHAT WORSE IS THERE YET TO COME?
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This is the TRUTH, and what Briann wrote:
1) set 245 Terrorists on the way to freedom
2) His congressional committee has announced that stimulus money should be limited from going to 'white' males.
3) PROHIBITED WATERBOARDING
4) signed 5 executive orders in the first 3 days of office (more than the last 6 presidents COMBINED!!)
5) given orders to dismantle the CIA terrorist watch overseas.
6) Military cutbacks galore, missle defense systems dismanteled.
7) Moslems placed in high positions by his administration.
8- Called for A two State solution for Israel ....forcing israel to give up land again.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST WEEK OF HIS PRESIDENCY. IF THIS IS THE FIRST THING HE HAS DONE WHAT WORSE IS THERE YET TO COME?
If all this is true, I have to apologize to you for trivializing the takeover of this bolschewist muslimloving dictator.
It will be hard times for normal citizens. Perhaps you should invent a black grandmother in order not to be persecuted too hard. No joke, I mean it serious.
Lying to evil people is not prohibited imo. I at least would have no problem with it. Only good people can claim our honesty.
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We are living in a day and age when telling the truth gets you in trouble and makes you more of a target than the lying crooks who are destroying this great nation. Personally, friends are a waste of time in my book, but if these people are close to you and you care for them, you just need to avoid discussing political and social issues. Being called a racist is nothing more than a juvenile term people throw around because any criticism of blacks in this country is deemed racist. I think down the road more people are going to see Obama for who he really is. When the day comes that a true right wing revolution evolves to save this country, don't be surprised if those friends of yours jump ship with you and praise you for being right.
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Maximus, we have to fight the BEASTS with RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Remember this scene?
He yells at the whole crowd, turns the WHOLE empire around, and they LOVE HIM FOR IT. (All while he is in CHAINS)
(http://artofmanliness.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/gladiator-crowe.png)
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Indeed I do!
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Indeed I do!
I know, thats why what you do in life, echoes in eternity. I havent had any fights on YouTube, but when I do, I'll come and get you... But MO- you will ALWAYS take some heat with unrighteousness for being right.
HASHEM WILL REWARD YOU.
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It's very hard to debate politics and not get heated, especially when you passionate about your views. But people often get too personal, especially when they are ignorant on the facts. Think of how many people watch shows like The View and get their talking points from that group of pigs. Or just look at network news as a whole. The left's biggest lie is that the right is the political view of hatred and venomous attacks.
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I've always felt that the invective against blacks by JTF is not helpful. That's not to say that much of JTF's dislike of black culture is wrong. It's just that most people lack the ability to recognize the difference between racism and legitimate criticism of the practices of a certain ethnic group. Chaim is quite right when he says that we're not racists, but it doesn't matter when we are a small political movement aspiring to grow, and we are perceived as racists. So for that reason, my criticism of Obama in my opinions to newspapers or in conversation, has avoided the fact that he is black. I attack his associates, his policies, and what he says. This is more constructive, I think.
Now even doing this does not guarantee that you won't be labelled a racist. In one paragraph that I submitted to the Cincinatti Enquirer, I attacked Obama's policies, his associates, and so on. Some [censored] responded by calling me a racist. So responded back, asking this person who said anything about race? I told him that he was the one who brought up race. I asked him if he was sure (since he brought it up) whether he was a racist. He never responded back.
You have to meet such accusations head on. If you are not a racist (and I'm assuming that you're not), then you can't let such accusations go. Make them explain to you why you are a racist. But again, getting back to my first point, people are not smart enough to recognize the difference between the legitimate criticism of certain cultural tendencies and racism. So personally, when criticizing Obama, I would leave out the fact that he is black.
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People will always have to go to the "racist" accusation when you criticize obama because they can't give a good reason they voted for him/it so they have to fabricate a reason why you didn't vote from him/it.
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<snip>Some moron responded by calling me a racist. So responded back, asking this person who said anything about race? <snip> If you are not a racist (and I'm assuming that you're not), then you can't let such accusations go.
good point..
very obvious but nobody here had thought of it for some reason..
Make them explain to you why you are a racist.
prob a good idea.. or as a kind of rhetorical question "what's racist about that.."
could then accuse him of being racist for accusing a white man of being racist for no good reason!
But again, getting back to my first point, people are not smart enough to recognize the difference between the legitimate criticism of certain cultural tendencies and racism. So personally, when criticizing Obama, I would leave out the fact that he is black.
he's a danger, but I don't think obama is a typical black person in any way anyway. Even when he attended his typical racist black church for 20 years. I've analysed this in the past.
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Funny when the shoe is on the other foot, isn't it? We have friends here we used to get together with all the time and had to put up with Bush bashing and we had to defend him. Since the beginning of the election and now since Obamanation, they have avoided us like the plague! I told my husband, I will NOT keep quiet when or if we get together with them. I really enjoyed sending them all my ammunition against Obamanation before the election. And get this, they are Catholic! Both have been divorced, since then, his wife passed away and she even went as far as having her first marriage annulled! So I sent them the video that was here on Catholics and abortion, thinking THAT would help our cause! I have now told all my friends that if you are Catholic and voted for Obamanation, you are a hypocrite! I have done, and am doing all I can against Obamanation here. Fortunately for me, MOST are as much as against this as we are. I have even seen in some newsgroups, that Obamanation voters are finally seeing the light. But alas, it's too late now. :usa+israel:
I would very much like to thank ALL OF YOU for helping me keep my sanity through all of this and I will continue to stand with Israel and all of you against Obamanation. Thanks again, so very very much!
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I heard the new President say in his inaugural speech, We are a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Hindus. We have always been founded on a Judeo-Christian society, (why should that change?) Other religions are practiced here, but our biblical standards should not change to suit the administration or the muslims.
I would like to believe he might be hinting to muslims as well. I am a President to all the people. There is no room for hatred, or anti-semitism toward anyone, and I will not allow Muslims to attack the Jewish people. Thus we are a nation of all religions, live in peace and stop the hatred toward one another.
Maybe I am dreaming, but I believe God is in control. Could this man have been elected to try and stop racism, or anti-semetism. If America can elect the first black President then Islam can get over its hatred and anti-semetism toward Jewish people, and the West. I saw that Obama believes in marriage between a man and a woman, but believes in abortion.
God would disagree with this very strongly. The Pope has been trying to speak to Obama about abortion, and issues that are of grave concern to him. I know the pope has a secret war going against Radial Islam, maybe he can have an influence over the new President. I am hoping for wisdom and the possibilitiy that we could be wrong about the new President, for the sake of America and Israel.
We will find out in the months to come.
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Thanks guys, this is all EXTREMELY HELPFUL! U guys calmed me down, a lot. Any sources yet for those 8 things Obama did so far?
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Thanks guys, this is all EXTREMELY HELPFUL! U guys calmed me down, a lot. Any sources yet for those 8 things Obama did so far?
I would like to see it too.
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You may find that some friendships are not wort keeping. I'm still friends with people who are Democratic and left wing but I try to stay away from politics. I ended friendships with people who said 9-11 and WW2 was America's fault. There's a certain level of insanity I couldn't deal with anymore and people who want GWB prosecuted and are arrogant when they talk to you, can take a walk for all I care. Make sure to read as much as you can too. Go to the "current events" section of Barnes and noble and read as much as you can. Knowledge is power and if someone disagrees with you and makes a good point, do your research and come back to them. I find it's good to read what the opposition says, think about why they are wrong and come up with a different thesis. Read magazines like the National Review and the Michael Savage website but also read the Economist, Foreign Affairs Quarterly magazine, etc. The more I've been reading the more I see how evil and wrong the left and Muslims are. They prove JTF is right, every time they open their mouths. When you read different sources, you'll see that ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN are liars most of the time. You'll see that Michael Moore is a big, evil, fat idiot. May his name and memory be obliterated.
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This is the TRUTH, and what Briann wrote:
1) set 245 Terrorists on the way to freedom
2) His congressional committee has announced that stimulus money should be limited from going to 'white' males.
3) PROHIBITED WATERBOARDING
4) signed 5 executive orders in the first 3 days of office (more than the last 6 presidents COMBINED!!)
5) given orders to dismantle the CIA terrorist watch overseas.
6) Military cutbacks galore, missle defense systems dismanteled.
7) Moslems placed in high positions by his administration.
8- Called for A two State solution for Israel ....forcing israel to give up land again.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST WEEK OF HIS PRESIDENCY. IF THIS IS THE FIRST THING HE HAS DONE WHAT WORSE IS THERE YET TO COME?
AMEN!!! :)
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Unfortunately... their reaction is part of brain-washing.
If you belittle Bush... you are applauded or at the least... tolerated.
If you belittle Obama.. .you are a racist.
This has been programmed into our country.. .especially the youth. Certain school board members have even gone to such length to put memorandums to all teachers that they are not alloweed to say anything negative about Obama... since that would be insensitive.
This is such irrational and evil behavior... but its all a product of brainwashing.
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yeah so I've been posting a lot of anti-Obama stuff on facebook and 70 percent of my friends think I'm some sort of Nazi. Granted they are very left-wing, but I can't believe I actually associate with people who don't see things the same way I do. My own mom likes Obama, and I showed her JTF stuff, but she thinks JTF is extreme. How can I put up with all this insolence and ignorance without looking like a member of the KKK?
Mord, crying racist is all they have. The Left figures if they can say someone is a racist, then that racist will be considered a liar too.
You try to speak the truth, you are a racist ...thus making you a liar...it's a dirty trick used by the Liberals Mord. Pay no attention to it.
Shalom - Dox
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I used to be a on a science type message board, where we would discuss biology a lot. I got along with most people there great when talking about science. I thought they were my friends. I learned something new almost every day. There were working scientists there and other people, who like me who were just interested and had some amount of knowledge. The other people gave me a little trouble when it came to being a Christian rather than an atheist. They tried to convince me I was being irrational about that and I discussed it with them and went over various aspects of choosing to believe rather than not believe. I felt like I handled that part pretty well.
I was happy there, except when it came to politics.
As soon as I started saying I didn't think homosexuality was normal and that I was against gay marriage, well that started a fire and people became angry with me to the point of calling me nasty names and comparing me to Hitler. This one guy was a lawyer and kept coming up with some legal mumbo jumbo about why I was completely wrong about everything I said about gays.
Suddenly all these people I'd really come to respect as smart people were calling me horrible things because I didn't agree with them politically, and I lost most of the respect I'd gained for them.
I went from being liked by most there to being the bottom of the barrel. The social mores said that to fit in you had to be a liberal. There was some point I realized that if I got into science it would be the same thing all over again, and this made me very sad. I'd still like to study science more but I don't know if I could deal with the strong negative personalities involved in some of it if I actually had a career with them.
So I can empathize with getting a negative rush of people coming down on you and attacking you. It's not easy to deal with and it can be emotionally hurtful, especially if these people were friendly to you before. I would advise you not to abandon your values and to stand strong in what you believe is negative about Obama. In the long run this will gain you more respect.
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I used to be a on a science type message board, where we would discuss biology a lot. I got along with most people there great when talking about science. I thought they were my friends. I learned something new almost every day. There were working scientists there and other people, who like me who were just interested and had some amount of knowledge. The other people gave me a little trouble when it came to being a Christian rather than an atheist. They tried to convince me I was being irrational about that and I discussed it with them and went over various aspects of choosing to believe rather than not believe. I felt like I handled that part pretty well.
I was happy there, except when it came to politics.
As soon as I started saying I didn't think homosexuality was normal and that I was against gay marriage, well that started a fire and people became angry with me to the point of calling me nasty names and comparing me to Hitler. This one guy was a lawyer and kept coming up with some legal mumbo jumbo about why I was completely wrong about everything I said about gays.
Suddenly all these people I'd really come to respect as smart people were calling me horrible things because I didn't agree with them politically, and I lost most of the respect I'd gained for them.
I went from being liked by most there to being the bottom of the barrel. The social mores said that to fit in you had to be a liberal. There was some point I realized that if I got into science it would be the same thing all over again, and this made me very sad. I'd still like to study science more but I don't know if I could deal with the strong negative personalities involved in some of it if I actually had a career with them.
So I can empathize with getting a negative rush of people coming down on you and attacking you. It's not easy to deal with and it can be emotionally hurtful, especially if these people were friendly to you before. I would advise you not to abandon your values and to stand strong in what you believe is negative about Obama. In the long run this will gain you more respect.
There are plenty of science forums you can join Ruby, just stay away from political discussions with them....
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Good idea Vito. I don't have time for much besides JTF right now. There's a message board I signed up for started by one of the people who really was a good friend over at the other board but I just haven't had time to be there with all the work and school I've had to do.
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I used to be a on a science type message board, where we would discuss biology a lot. I got along with most people there great when talking about science. I thought they were my friends. I learned something new almost every day. There were working scientists there and other people, who like me who were just interested and had some amount of knowledge. The other people gave me a little trouble when it came to being a Christian rather than an atheist. They tried to convince me I was being irrational about that and I discussed it with them and went over various aspects of choosing to believe rather than not believe. I felt like I handled that part pretty well.
I was happy there, except when it came to politics.
As soon as I started saying I didn't think homosexuality was normal and that I was against gay marriage, well that started a fire and people became angry with me to the point of calling me nasty names and comparing me to Hitler. This one guy was a lawyer and kept coming up with some legal mumbo jumbo about why I was completely wrong about everything I said about gays.
Suddenly all these people I'd really come to respect as smart people were calling me horrible things because I didn't agree with them politically, and I lost most of the respect I'd gained for them.
I went from being liked by most there to being the bottom of the barrel. The social mores said that to fit in you had to be a liberal. There was some point I realized that if I got into science it would be the same thing all over again, and this made me very sad. I'd still like to study science more but I don't know if I could deal with the strong negative personalities involved in some of it if I actually had a career with them.
So I can empathize with getting a negative rush of people coming down on you and attacking you. It's not easy to deal with and it can be emotionally hurtful, especially if these people were friendly to you before. I would advise you not to abandon your values and to stand strong in what you believe is negative about Obama. In the long run this will gain you more respect.
Hi Ruby. I am sorry you had that bad experience. Good thing you chose not to go along with them, that would have robbed you of your identity & morals.
You should be so proud and be grateful you don't think like them! ^5
Shalom - Dox
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I don't think anyone should give in to influences trying to make them give up moral values, especially if they're based on what God said in the Bible. There are serious moral reasons why we have a problem with Obama and his policies. Just because people are being nasty about it doesn't mean we should change our minds about that.
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I don't think anyone should give in to influences trying to make them give up moral values, especially if they're based on what G-d said in the Bible. There are serious moral reasons why we have a problem with Obama and his policies. Just because people are being nasty about it doesn't mean we should change our minds about that.
If more people thought like us, Obama would not be president. Question is this...how did the radical left get everyone to swallow their KOOLAID BREW?
Who gave up what was right in exchange for what was popular? Ruby, G-d help us all, we will need it.
Shalom again - Dox
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Liberalism is easier than conservatism. Liberalism says do what feels good, do what you like and don't worry about those stodgy old people that are telling you this or that is wrong. If you have sex out of wedlock and it feels good they say just abort the baby that results if you don't want it. When STDs happen to millions of people because of out-of-wedlock sex they just say that the government is responsible for giving money to cure the diseases and provide for free all the medicines. In fact they think government should give free health care to everyone. In fact the less someone contributes to society, the more liberals like them. So another draw of liberalism for some people is that it encourages you not to work too hard, because that whole work ethic thing is overblown and old-fashioned. If you don't do well, don't worry the government will bail you out. Plus all the "cool" people like movie stars and musicians are liberals. You want to be "cool" don't you?
See how easy this is?
Conservatism by comparison doesn't seem as attractive. It's spokespeople tend to be older and less glitzy than movie stars. It encourages hard work and delayed pleasure. It encourages personal responsibility. Worst of all it's linked with traditional ways of doing things, which makes it seem outdated to young people who think they are so progressive.
That's my take on it anyway.
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You are so right Ruby, so sorry you had to go through all of that on the science boards. They say never talk politics or religion with your friends, but I say, why not? I respected THEIR views, why can't they respect mine? Why are WE, the righteous always wrong? I'm not going to be quiet anymore and take it, I've had more than enough of their "Bush bashing" for all those years and now I'm going to be "armed with the truth" and give it to them! Thanks for all your advice everyone!
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Explain the flaws about Obama.
If they still decide to call you racist, drop them don't expose yourself around people that will lower your Iq.
Simple. i stopped talking to many people myself for being pro-obammies.
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Liberalism is easier than conservatism. Liberalism says do what feels good, do what you like and don't worry about those stodgy old people that are telling you this or that is wrong. If you have sex out of wedlock and it feels good they say just abort the baby that results if you don't want it. When STDs happen to millions of people because of out-of-wedlock sex they just say that the government is responsible for giving money to cure the diseases and provide for free all the medicines. In fact they think government should give free health care to everyone. In fact the less someone contributes to society, the more liberals like them. So another draw of liberalism for some people is that it encourages you not to work too hard, because that whole work ethic thing is overblown and old-fashioned. If you don't do well, don't worry the government will bail you out. Plus all the "cool" people like movie stars and musicians are liberals. You want to be "cool" don't you?
See how easy this is?
Conservatism by comparison doesn't seem as attractive. It's spokespeople tend to be older and less glitzy than movie stars. It encourages hard work and delayed pleasure. It encourages personal responsibility. Worst of all it's linked with traditional ways of doing things, which makes it seem outdated to young people who think they are so progressive.
That's my take on it anyway.
No, Ruby.
Liberalism is the greatest thing ever.
The bolschewists in the USA have occupied the term liberalism.
Liberalism is the highest form of living for Jews and Christians.
It teaches the highest responsibility and the greatest ammount of freedom.
This combination makes it righteous.
Look this righteous men up. They founded it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Heinrich_von_Th%C3%BCnen
and many more.
It is time to get liberalism back out of the bloody claws of the Democrates!
Liberalism is the natural form of living directly teached by the bible. All other economical systems are unnatural.
Rabbi Kahane was at least in economical things a liberal! Our good Chaim is for shure too.
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I used to be a on a science type message board, where we would discuss biology a lot. I got along with most people there great when talking about science. I thought they were my friends. I learned something new almost every day. There were working scientists there and other people, who like me who were just interested and had some amount of knowledge. The other people gave me a little trouble when it came to being a Christian rather than an atheist. They tried to convince me I was being irrational about that and I discussed it with them and went over various aspects of choosing to believe rather than not believe. I felt like I handled that part pretty well.
I was happy there, except when it came to politics.
As soon as I started saying I didn't think homosexuality was normal and that I was against gay marriage, well that started a fire and people became angry with me to the point of calling me nasty names and comparing me to Hitler. This one guy was a lawyer and kept coming up with some legal mumbo jumbo about why I was completely wrong about everything I said about gays.
Suddenly all these people I'd really come to respect as smart people were calling me horrible things because I didn't agree with them politically, and I lost most of the respect I'd gained for them.
I went from being liked by most there to being the bottom of the barrel. The social mores said that to fit in you had to be a liberal. There was some point I realized that if I got into science it would be the same thing all over again, and this made me very sad. I'd still like to study science more but I don't know if I could deal with the strong negative personalities involved in some of it if I actually had a career with them.
So I can empathize with getting a negative rush of people coming down on you and attacking you. It's not easy to deal with and it can be emotionally hurtful, especially if these people were friendly to you before. I would advise you not to abandon your values and to stand strong in what you believe is negative about Obama. In the long run this will gain you more respect.
I know a few very right wing lawyers and they never go around touting their legal knowledge. That is a communist tactic by the left, just as criminalizing their opposition. Education is importnat to them because in the leftist world education equals power. If you're in a regular job, you can be used by them for propaganda but the minute you disagree with them you are told to be silenced becasue they are the holders of higher education and you don't have the knowledge to argue with them. They misuse their education to advance their agenda. The majority of scientific studies and statistics are never funded because they are afraid what the answer might be. If they study the inner city for example, they are very careful about what they look into and you can be assured that many results never see the light of day.
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I don't know but the last thing I think Chaim would like to be called is a liberal. I have been told that in other countries the meaning of liberal is the opposite of what it is here in America. Here in America we have people who refer to themselves as libertarians that ideology might be more in line with the people in the links you posted.
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I don't know but the last thing I think Chaim would like to be called is a liberal. I have been told that in other countries the meaning of liberal is the opposite of what it is here in America. Here in America we have people who refer to themselves as libertarians that ideology might be more in line with the people in the links you posted.
What the Democates and their fellows preach is not liberalism.
They are classic Socialists and worse. It is obvious. They only use the term liberal in order to confuse and decept the people.
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What I responded to the guy who called me racist:
Paul, I appreciate the reading, it was good. That Rosenberg stuff was truly amazing. You do a lot of good, but I think you are making this too personal. I hardly see how being afraid of somebody as sketchy as Obama is racist. You think I made up the note? I got it from a source. Who brought up skin color? I brought up Islam because he lied about his religion, not because he's Muslim. And that's a reason to be afradi. Ethics of the Fathers says, woe is to a wicked person, and woe is to his friend." If Obama has wicked friends, then even the Torah warns us. The Torah is against racism, and the Torah also commands us to fight off conquerers of Israel. Sure, Islamic extremists are dangerous, and Jews have been the most persecuted nation, but when I did I say anything about skin color? There are plenty of Ethiopian Jews in the world. I hate George Bush, how come that doesn't make me racist? I hated Clinton, how come THAT doesn't make me racist? The fact of the matte most Obama haters think he's not Muslim, and that he's just a black racist. Here is good reading, hopes I can return the favor to you.http://www.theobamafile.com/. Let's leave race out of this. You can be a white terrorist or purple terrorist, color of skin desn't matter. Jackie Robinson, Elston Howard, and Reggie Jackson are some of my favorite ball players of all time BECAUSE of the fact they were black and didn't respond to the racists. Robinson never responded to racist remarks, he just kicked ass on the field. Same with Howard. I am deeply afraid of Islamic extremists, that's not racism. We have a right to be skeptical and nervous about anybody sketchy. Hasen't our people suffered enough? We lock our doors at night to keep out strangers, some people install security systems, I worry about the safety of Jewish lives and the war against the Arabs that is going on as we speak. Sorry if it offends of you that I am against radical Islam or if you think that makes me prejudice, but Paul, how else can the Jews and the Western World fight the Jihad? We don't know which ones are truly good and which ones are truly evil? Are we really going to take a chance with innocent lives based on not knowing who is who in the Islam world? Even airport security has been slightly more racial profilisitc (not a word, lol). If the majority of terrorists are Islamic, and we don't know who is who, does that make us racist to be afraid of them? Ever since 9/11 the world has changed, but you need not make this personal because we all want the same thing: Peace, freedom, and Moshiach. G-d Bless the West and G-d bless Israel.
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I don't know but the last thing I think Chaim would like to be called is a liberal. I have been told that in other countries the meaning of liberal is the opposite of what it is here in America. Here in America we have people who refer to themselves as libertarians that ideology might be more in line with the people in the links you posted.
What the Democates and their fellows preach is not liberalism.
They are classic Socialists and worse. It is obvious. They only use the term liberal in order to confuse and decept the people.
Here in America the title liberal will be forever associated with left leaning policies such as you see in the new administration. Nothing will ever change it. Its funny but both the Conservative and liberal parties have both disappeared here in America. The Conservatives have been absorbed by the Republicans and the Liberals by the Democrats. The problem for Conservatives is that the Republican party is not far enough to the right to serve Conservative needs the Liberal left however is right at home in the Democrat party.
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Liberalism is the greatest thing ever.
The bolschewists in the USA have occupied the term liberalism.
Liberalism is the highest form of living for Jews and Christians.
It teaches the highest responsibility and the greatest ammount of freedom.
This combination makes it righteous.
Look this righteous men up. They founded it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Heinrich_von_Th%C3%BCnen
and many more.
It is time to get liberalism back out of the bloody claws of the Democrates!
Liberalism is the natural form of living directly teached by the bible. All other economical systems are unnatural.
Rabbi Kahane was at least in economical things a liberal! Our good Chaim is for shure too.
You said
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Heinrich_von_Th%C3%BCnen
and many more.
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can you give more of a list?
You may find this interesting. A woman called Melanie Phillips
she is considered right wing.. But she isn't really. She supports a 2 state solution.. She is critical of Obama
"You have to pinch yourself – a Marxisant radical who all his life has been mentored by, sat at the feet of, worshipped with, befriended, endorsed the philosophy of, funded and been in turn funded, politically promoted and supported by a nexus comprising black power anti-white racists, Jew-haters, revolutionary Marxists, unrepentant former terrorists and Chicago mobsters, is on the verge of becoming President of the United States. And apparently it’s considered impolite to say so."
And she is against islamism.. she wrote Londonistan.
She wrote this article..
http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles/archives/000041.html
January 01, 2000 "Why I am a progressive "
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I don't know but the last thing I think Chaim would like to be called is a liberal. I have been told that in other countries the meaning of liberal is the opposite of what it is here in America. Here in America we have people who refer to themselves as libertarians that ideology might be more in line with the people in the links you posted.
What the Democates and their fellows preach is not liberalism.
They are classic Socialists and worse. It is obvious. They only use the term liberal in order to confuse and decept the people.
Here in America the title liberal will be forever associated with left leaning policies such as you see in the new administration. Nothing will ever change it. Its funny but both the Conservative and liberal parties have both disappeared here in America. The Conservatives have been absorbed by the Republicans and the Liberals by the Democrats. The problem for Conservatives is that the Republican party is not far enough to the right to serve Conservative needs the Liberal left however is right at home in the Democrat party.
Why they call themselve this terms?
I have to admit, that I am not a conservative in the classic sense.
Imo the religious community should be the center of the individual and not the state.
This two things should be divided.
So the best choice for me is to take the power - mainly econimical power from the state and give it to the individual.
Imo economy applies to natural laws, like physics.
So it is only necessary for the gouvernment to enforce private contracts and to defend the freedom of the individual against foreign and inner enemies.