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Title: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: zachor_ve_kavod on January 27, 2009, 05:36:15 PM
I started university a few years ago as a mature student.  Fortunately, I have sufficient experience and knowledge to be immune from indoctrination, but the young people that go there have no such defenses.  It is a tragedy.  Don't get me wrong, if you want to be a doctor, I don't want you learning on your own.  But for the most part, college is the most corrupting influence on young people today.

So let me repeat what my history professor said to lecture hall filled with young people today.  I'm telling you, as I watched this evil person spout his lies to a group of 300 young vacant faces, I thought that this guy should be charged with a crime.

First the typical college professor lies:  America is imperialist, George Bush is evil and the worst president in American history, Europe was wrong to perceive African societies as primitive (they could have learned much from African societies), and so on.  These are typical lies that children are hearing in campuses across America and Canada today.

What really irritated me was this statement:  "We have learned that it is almost impossible for countries to take over other countries, even when they have superior fire power."  And the examples he gave were (in order):  Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Gaza.

I'll let that sink in for a moment...

Let me tackle these as a whole and then one by one.  The purpose of this statement is to vilify the United States of America and Israel, and then to mock them.  There is absolutely no truth to this statement.  There were real imperialist countries.  The US and Israel are not among them.  This is pure Marxist deceit.

The US entered South Korea and South Vietnam to defend those countries against communist expansion.  To make this statement about Vietnam in particular is quite ironic, as the tragedy of Vietnam was that the US fought a completely defensive war.  They did not invade North Vietnam as they should have.  Vietnam could have been won, but the US did not want to be perceived as an invading entity.  How ironic it is that the US is labelled and libelled as such anyway.

The US did invade Afghanistan and Iraq, but not to take over those countries.  They did it to topple their regimes.  One can debate whether it was right to do this, but it is a lie to suggest that the US wanted to take over these countries.

Gaza?  I won't even insult your intelligence by getting into that one.  Let's just say that there are at least a dozen reasons why that is the most obscene lie of them all.

There you have it.  There are 300 more children who believe that the US and Israel are imperialist powers who invade and take over other countries.  This morning before this 11:30 class, these kids did not believe this.  Now they do.  Can you imagine someone works hard to save enough money to put their son or daughter through college, and this is what they learn there?
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: q_q_ on January 27, 2009, 05:48:28 PM
<snip>Can you imagine someone works hard to save enough money to put their son or daughter through college, and this is what they learn there?

Largely for the paper at the end.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: JewishAmericanPatriot on January 27, 2009, 08:00:12 PM
This is why my kids will not be going to college (not on MY dime, anyway!)

If they really want to go, they'll have to pay their own way.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Zionist Revolutionary on January 27, 2009, 08:22:42 PM
This is why my kids will not be going to college (not on MY dime, anyway!)

If they really want to go, they'll have to pay their own way.

I wouldn't let them go to a secular college at ALL.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: cjd on January 27, 2009, 08:38:09 PM
This has been going on for the past 30 or 40 years and has been getting progressively worse in the past 10 to 15 years. Indoctrination like this is why we have a president in the White House that has no business being there. We have a  large segment of the population that hate America and every thing it stands for. They have been brainwashed into this destructive mentality by the education system from when they were very young. A growing segment of the American population today are people with little national pride, low morals, and seek out the lowest common denominator and put it on a pedestal. Unless something is done soon to reverse this demographic I see little hope of recovery since the inmates will soon be running the asylum.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: ChaimBenMordechai on January 27, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
Yes..we all know what Africa has contributed to the world

(http://www.achart.ca/publications/images/amin_dada_lg.jpg)

(http://www.appletreeblog.com/wp-content/2007/07/mugabe-crazy.jpg)

(I would put up a photo of the apes practicing "necklacing", but it may be too violent)

Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Xoce on January 27, 2009, 09:46:09 PM
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This morning before this 11:30 class, these kids did not believe this.  Now they do.

Sigh.

I think with young people, the most effective way to combat this brainwasheding is via shows like Southpark.

A totally un-PC show with doses of reality mixed with humor and vulgarity all in cartoon form.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: eb22 on January 27, 2009, 09:53:36 PM
This is why my kids will not be going to college (not on MY dime, anyway!)

If they really want to go, they'll have to pay their own way.

I wouldn't let them go to a secular college at ALL.


  Excellent decision.      Even a strong positive influence at home might not be enough to prevent college age people from being brainwashed by leftist so called learning institutions.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Mishmaat on January 27, 2009, 09:54:48 PM
zachor, what is your specific field of study?
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: nessuno on January 27, 2009, 10:00:18 PM
This is why my kids will not be going to college (not on MY dime, anyway!)

If they really want to go, they'll have to pay their own way.

I wouldn't let them go to a secular college at ALL.


  Excellent decision.      Even a strong positive influence at home might not be enough to prevent college age people from being brainwashed by leftist so called learning institutions.
It would be nice to shield them forever, but what happens when they do go out into the 'real' world?
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: New Yorker on January 27, 2009, 10:02:13 PM
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This morning before this 11:30 class, these kids did not believe this.  Now they do.

Sigh.

I think with young people, the most effective way to combat this brainwasheding is via shows like Southpark.

A totally un-PC show with doses of reality mixed with humor and vulgarity all in cartoon form.


Absolutely right, the South Park people are Libertarians (not to be confused with "Liberals") and they can't stand the left wingers and mock them mercilessly.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: eb22 on January 27, 2009, 10:17:32 PM
This is why my kids will not be going to college (not on MY dime, anyway!)

If they really want to go, they'll have to pay their own way.

I wouldn't let them go to a secular college at ALL.


  Excellent decision.      Even a strong positive influence at home might not be enough to prevent college age people from being brainwashed by leftist so called learning institutions.
It would be nice to shield them forever, but what happens when they do go out into the 'real' world?


    There's no question that the real world of today is problematic.      Yet,   at least they wouldn't have 4 years of being brainwashed by leftist professors.    If they gain an education that stresses morality and traditional values,    there's a realistic chance that they will be able to withstand the evil influences that will be surrounding them in the real world.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Moshe92 on January 27, 2009, 10:27:04 PM
This is why my kids will not be going to college (not on MY dime, anyway!)

If they really want to go, they'll have to pay their own way.

I wouldn't let them go to a secular college at ALL.


  Excellent decision.      Even a strong positive influence at home might not be enough to prevent college age people from being brainwashed by leftist so called learning institutions.
It would be nice to shield them forever, but what happens when they do go out into the 'real' world?

I agree with bullcat. Sheltering anybody is not a good idea. You will always have to deal with different kinds of people. It is better to confront problems in the world than to hide from them. I go to a very liberal public high school in Massachusetts and will likely go to a liberal college, but I will never let myself get brainwashed by leftist teachers or professors.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Xoce on January 27, 2009, 10:30:48 PM
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This morning before this 11:30 class, these kids did not believe this.  Now they do.

Sigh.

I think with young people, the most effective way to combat this brainwashing is via shows like Southpark.

A totally un-PC show with doses of reality mixed with humor and vulgarity all in cartoon form.


Absolutely right, the South Park people are Libertarians (not to be confused with "Liberals") and they can't stand the left wingers and mock them mercilessly.

 :) :) :)
And that is one thing liberals can't stand--- being MOCKED!!!
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: zachor_ve_kavod on January 27, 2009, 10:33:35 PM
zachor, what is your specific field of study?

I am taking two majors.  One in music, the other in history.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Bradina on January 27, 2009, 11:12:14 PM
First the typical college professor lies:  America is imperialist, George Bush is evil and the worst president in American history

Those aren't lies. He's right.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: muman613 on January 27, 2009, 11:18:13 PM
First the typical college professor lies:  America is imperialist, George Bush is evil and the worst president in American history

Those aren't lies. He's right.

What a load of BS... I dont know how young you are but in no way was GW Bush the worst president in American history. In my 40+ years I can't say any president was worse than Jimmy the Dhimmi Carter. I actually did quite well under GW Bush and felt more secure than I did under Clinton or under Obama.

Why do you hate Bush so much? You must watch too much CNN or something. I quit watching CNN about six years ago.

PS: BTW I think Southpark sucks. When it first started I used to watch it because the 'crowd' of people I worked with made me watch it. I dont think that offending everybody is a productive way to make a living. Talk about evil speech...
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: zachor_ve_kavod on January 27, 2009, 11:25:37 PM
First the typical college professor lies:  America is imperialist, George Bush is evil and the worst president in American history

Those aren't lies. He's right.

If you're going to say that, you should provide some evidence.  America is imperialist?  Where are all of the American colonies then?  Africa?  Asia?  Do you know that the entire continents of Africa and Asia were colonies European colonies at one time?  Where is American imperialism?

And George Bush was the worst president in American history?  I can think of at least a half dozen who were worse in the 20th century alone:  Wilson, FDR, Truman, Ford, Carter (for sure), and Clinton.  The others are disputable.

Show me some evidence to support your claims, if you have any.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Bradina on January 28, 2009, 12:02:35 AM
Where is American imperialism?

Show me some evidence to support your claims

Quote
In an opinion piece in the Manchester Guardian, Indian journalist Arundhati Roy wrote, "Here is a list of the countries that America has been at war with - and bombed - since the second world war:" It reads

    * China (1945-46, 1950-53)
    * Korea (1950-53)
    * Guatemala (1954, 1967-69)
    * Indonesia (1958)
    * Cuba (1959-60)
    * Vietnam (1961-73)
    * The Belgian Congo (1964)
    * Laos (1964-73)
    * Peru (1965)
    * Cambodia (1969-70)
    * Nicaragua (the 1980s)
    * El Salvador (the 1980s)
    * Grenada (1983)
    * Libya (1986)
    * Panama (1989)
    * Iraq (1991-99, 2003-08)
    * Bosnia/Republic of Srpska (1995)
    * Sudan (1998)
    * Yugoslavia (1999)
    * Afghanistan (2001-08)

From this, by simply counting, the years 1947-49, 1955-57, 1974-79, 1990 and 2000 were the only peaceful ones. 73% of the years, from World War II's end until 1989, the U.S. was militarily intervening somewhere. After the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 (not counting conflicts like Colombia where governing elites request help against rebellious subpopulations) the U.S. was actively militarily intervening in a foreign country at least 89% of the years into 2008, an increase of 22%.

In 2006, Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General under Lyndon B. Johnson, wrote:

Both branches of our One Party system, Democrat (D) and Republican (R), favor the use of force to have their way. Consider,

   1. Regime Change in Iran (1953), the Shah replacing democratically elected Mossadegh; Eisenhower (R);
   2. Regime Change in Guatemala (1954), a military government [replacing] democratically elected Arbenz;
       Eisenhower (R);
   3. Regime Change in Congo (1961) assassination of Patrice Lumumba, Eisenhower (R)
   4. The Vietnam War (1959-1975), Eisenhower (R), Kennedy (D), Johnson (D), Nixon (R);
   5. Invasion of the Dominican Republic (1965), Johnson (D);
   6. Contra Warfare against Nicaragua (1981-1988), resulting in regime change from the Sandinistas to   
       corrupt capitalists; Reagan (R);
   7. Attack and occupation of Grenada (population 110,000)(1983-1987) Reagan (R);
   8. Aerial attack on the sleeping cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, Libya, (1986) Reagan (R);
   9. Invasion of Panama Regime Change (1989-1990), George H. W. Bush (R);
  10. Gulf War (1991), George H. W. Bush (R);
  11. "Humanitarian" occupation of Somalia leading to 10,000 Somali deaths (1992-1993) George H. W. Bush
       (R) and Bill Clinton (D);
  12. Aerial attacks on Iraq (1993-2001) Bill Clinton (D);
  13. War against Yugoslavia (1999) 23,000 bombs and missiles dropped on Yugoslavia, Bill Clinton (D)
  14. Missile Attack (21 Tomahawk Cruise Missiles) destroying the Al Shifa Pharmaceutical Plant in Khartoum
       which provided the majority of all medicines for Sudan (1998) Bill Clinton (D);
  15. Invasion and Occupation of Afghanistan, Regime Change (2001-present) George W. Bush (R);
  16. War of Aggression against Iraq and Hostile Occupation (2003)-present) George W. Bush (R);
  17. Regime Change in Haiti (2004) Democratically elected Aristide for three years of chaos and systematic
       killing, George W. Bush (R)

I'm not so sure about George W. Bush being the worst president ever. I'm young and I haven't personally seen how many of the other past presidents have performed. But you definitely have to consider him among the worst presidents the U.S. has had. For a man who is the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, he has exposed himself as a generally unintelligent and ignorant person who led an unnecessary and questionable invasion of a country for the sole purpose of overthrowing a regime because it posed threats to them. Under Bush, the United States has plunged into an economic crisis. You can't sit there and tell me that the Bush administration has nothing to do with it. Even the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi was quoted as saying "Consider the terrible consequences of the 'anything goes' Bush Administration, whose irresponsible non-regulation of financial institutions has led to this crisis."   
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: muman613 on January 28, 2009, 12:05:27 AM
Why do you quote the liberal nut-case Nancy Pelosi about anything?

PS: Many of those military conflicts were to defend allies against communist agression. Maybe this is something your father could tell you about. Being a good ally doesn't make America an imperial nation. Did your communist teachers tell you about what imperialism is? Did America set up colonies in those countries we defended? Did we allow the people of the nation to set up democratic systems?

PPS: Your posting seems like troll material to me...   
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15. Invasion and Occupation of Afghanistan, Regime Change (2001-present) George W. Bush (R);
16. War of Aggression against Iraq and Hostile Occupation (2003)-present) George W. Bush (R);

Are you a screaming liberal Obamaite?


PPPS: Please provide a link to your copy/paste so we can verify the sources.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on January 28, 2009, 12:10:31 AM
Don't know what class this is. If I were you I would seriously consider complaining about this professor. Even if the leftist university administration supports him (and they do), they might be concerned about keeping the fat paychecks they are getting from you students.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Bradina on January 28, 2009, 12:31:14 AM
PPS: Your posting seems like troll material to me...   
Quote
15. Invasion and Occupation of Afghanistan, Regime Change (2001-present) George W. Bush (R);
16. War of Aggression against Iraq and Hostile Occupation (2003)-present) George W. Bush (R);

Are you a screaming liberal Obamaite?


PPPS: Please provide a link to your copy/paste so we can verify the sources.

It's taken directly from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_empire)

I'm not a Liberal and I don't like Obama. And it's trolling because...I don't share your point of view? That's not my writing, it's copied.

Did your communist teachers tell you about what imperialism is? Did America set up colonies in those countries we defended? Did we allow the people of the nation to set up democratic systems?

Communist, that's a good one. We may have different views and opinions of what Imperialism is. America doesn't have to set up colonies in countries they invade or attack in order for them to be exposed as imperialists. America will only do what in the end pays off for them. They don't do it to help people or defend people, that's absurd. You think those are the reasons? They do it because it will benefit them.

I'm not a Liberal or a Communist, I just believe in morality and doing the right thing. Invading or attacking other countries every few years and in the process killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people just for the sake of becoming more powerful is wrong. It's that policy that I don't agree with.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: david1967 on January 28, 2009, 12:45:59 AM
Liberal Arts professors all over the world are hardcore, Marxists and revolutionaries.  They have definitely had an impact on the US.  Why do you think Obama was elected President and overwhelmingly supported by the majority of young people?
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: zachor_ve_kavod on January 28, 2009, 12:53:10 AM
PPS: Your posting seems like troll material to me...   
Quote
15. Invasion and Occupation of Afghanistan, Regime Change (2001-present) George W. Bush (R);
16. War of Aggression against Iraq and Hostile Occupation (2003)-present) George W. Bush (R);

Are you a screaming liberal Obamaite?


PPPS: Please provide a link to your copy/paste so we can verify the sources.

It's taken directly from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_empire)

I'm not a Liberal and I don't like Obama. And it's trolling because...I don't share your point of view? That's not my writing, it's copied.

Did your communist teachers tell you about what imperialism is? Did America set up colonies in those countries we defended? Did we allow the people of the nation to set up democratic systems?

Communist, that's a good one. We may have different views and opinions of what Imperialism is. America doesn't have to set up colonies in countries they invade or attack in order for them to be exposed as imperialists. America will only do what in the end pays off for them. They don't do it to help people or defend people, that's absurd. You think those are the reasons? They do it because it will benefit them.

I'm not a Liberal or a Communist, I just believe in morality and doing the right thing. Invading or attacking other countries every few years and in the process killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people just for the sake of becoming more powerful is wrong. It's that policy that I don't agree with.

"America doesn't have to set up colonies in countries they invade or attack in order for them to be exposed as imperialists."

Actually, they do.  That's what imperialism is.  When America went into Korea or Vietnam, it was not to appropriate their resources or to take their land.  It was to save those countries from the fate of communism.  And yes, communism was a real threat.  It was responsible for killing over 100 million people in the 20th century.  Anyone who ignores this fact is evil, period.  So you want to talk about innocent lives?  America hasn't murdered a pittance compared to communist countries.

ALL countries act out of self interest, not just America.  And by the way, this is how it should be.  America had a vested interest in opposing communism.  America is a capitalist society.  It is not good for business if there is noone to do business with.

All of those examples you sited, have you actually studied them?  You admitted that you copied them.  Pick any one, and let's examine it together.  It is really not my intention to demean you.  Pick any one of those examples you wish, and show me some definitive sources that can be considered evidence.  An excerpt from an op-ed in a liberal newspaper does not count.  I'm not willing to defend blindly everything that America has done.  Nor should you condemn America blindly.  Let's deal with each case one by one, and then examine all of them as a part of a historical narrative.  That is the correct way to practice historiography and get at the truth.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: muman613 on January 28, 2009, 12:54:56 AM
PPS: Your posting seems like troll material to me...   
Quote
15. Invasion and Occupation of Afghanistan, Regime Change (2001-present) George W. Bush (R);
16. War of Aggression against Iraq and Hostile Occupation (2003)-present) George W. Bush (R);

Are you a screaming liberal Obamaite?


PPPS: Please provide a link to your copy/paste so we can verify the sources.

It's taken directly from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_empire)

I'm not a Liberal and I don't like Obama. And it's trolling because...I don't share your point of view? That's not my writing, it's copied.

Did your communist teachers tell you about what imperialism is? Did America set up colonies in those countries we defended? Did we allow the people of the nation to set up democratic systems?

Communist, that's a good one. We may have different views and opinions of what Imperialism is. America doesn't have to set up colonies in countries they invade or attack in order for them to be exposed as imperialists. America will only do what in the end pays off for them. They don't do it to help people or defend people, that's absurd. You think those are the reasons? They do it because it will benefit them.

I'm not a Liberal or a Communist, I just believe in morality and doing the right thing. Invading or attacking other countries every few years and in the process killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people just for the sake of becoming more powerful is wrong. It's that policy that I don't agree with.

You are aware of Wikipedia being editable by any joe schmoe. Just because you read it at Wikipedia doesnt make it a fact. I could write up a page and you would believe it because you read it at wiki. The liberal bias of whomever wrote that article is more than apparent. This is called Historical revisionism.

Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Vito on January 28, 2009, 01:07:36 AM
I have a friend from Greece who tells me that America installed the 67-74 Greek dictatorship because they didn't let us use their airspace. I don't know too many facts about that so could anyone elaborate on his statement?
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: nessuno on January 28, 2009, 10:46:59 AM
Liberal Arts professors all over the world are hardcore, Marxists and revolutionaries.  They have definitely had an impact on the US.  Why do you think Obama was elected President and overwhelmingly supported by the majority of young people?
The indoctrination starts in well before college.  It does not just take place in the educational institutions.

It is impossible to keep young people in a box.  Shield them from all evil influences.  That is unrealistic. 
Parents must attempt to be good role models.  Teach them good morals.  Nurture their relationship with G-d (whatever your religion).  Arm them with knowledge about right and wrong.  Then pray and hope for the best.  I'm frightened every day I send my child out into the world, the one outside my home.  Still children are not dolls to be kept on a shelf.  They must learn to navigate the ills in this world, maybe change them if they can. 
Those are just my beliefs.
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: SavetheWest on January 28, 2009, 01:25:06 PM
Where is American imperialism?

Show me some evidence to support your claims

Quote
In an opinion piece in the Manchester Guardian, Indian journalist Arundhati Roy wrote, "Here is a list of the countries that America has been at war with - and bombed - since the second world war:" It reads

    * China (1945-46, 1950-53)
    * Korea (1950-53)
    * Guatemala (1954, 1967-69)
    * Indonesia (1958)
    * Cuba (1959-60)
    * Vietnam (1961-73)
    * The Belgian Congo (1964)
    * Laos (1964-73)
    * Peru (1965)
    * Cambodia (1969-70)
    * Nicaragua (the 1980s)
    * El Salvador (the 1980s)
    * Grenada (1983)
    * Libya (1986)
    * Panama (1989)
    * Iraq (1991-99, 2003-08)
    * Bosnia/Republic of Srpska (1995)
    * Sudan (1998)
    * Yugoslavia (1999)
    * Afghanistan (2001-08)

From this, by simply counting, the years 1947-49, 1955-57, 1974-79, 1990 and 2000 were the only peaceful ones. 73% of the years, from World War II's end until 1989, the U.S. was militarily intervening somewhere. After the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 (not counting conflicts like Colombia where governing elites request help against rebellious subpopulations) the U.S. was actively militarily intervening in a foreign country at least 89% of the years into 2008, an increase of 22%.

In 2006, Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General under Lyndon B. Johnson, wrote:

Both branches of our One Party system, Democrat (D) and Republican (R), favor the use of force to have their way. Consider,

   1. Regime Change in Iran (1953), the Shah replacing democratically elected Mossadegh; Eisenhower (R);
   2. Regime Change in Guatemala (1954), a military government [replacing] democratically elected Arbenz;
       Eisenhower (R);
   3. Regime Change in Congo (1961) assassination of Patrice Lumumba, Eisenhower (R)
   4. The Vietnam War (1959-1975), Eisenhower (R), Kennedy (D), Johnson (D), Nixon (R);
   5. Invasion of the Dominican Republic (1965), Johnson (D);
   6. Contra Warfare against Nicaragua (1981-1988), resulting in regime change from the Sandinistas to   
       corrupt capitalists; Reagan (R);
   7. Attack and occupation of Grenada (population 110,000)(1983-1987) Reagan (R);
   8. Aerial attack on the sleeping cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, Libya, (1986) Reagan (R);
   9. Invasion of Panama Regime Change (1989-1990), George H. W. Bush (R);
  10. Gulf War (1991), George H. W. Bush (R);
  11. "Humanitarian" occupation of Somalia leading to 10,000 Somali deaths (1992-1993) George H. W. Bush
       (R) and Bill Clinton (D);
  12. Aerial attacks on Iraq (1993-2001) Bill Clinton (D);
  13. War against Yugoslavia (1999) 23,000 bombs and missiles dropped on Yugoslavia, Bill Clinton (D)
  14. Missile Attack (21 Tomahawk Cruise Missiles) destroying the Al Shifa Pharmaceutical Plant in Khartoum
       which provided the majority of all medicines for Sudan (1998) Bill Clinton (D);
  15. Invasion and Occupation of Afghanistan, Regime Change (2001-present) George W. Bush (R);
  16. War of Aggression against Iraq and Hostile Occupation (2003)-present) George W. Bush (R);
  17. Regime Change in Haiti (2004) Democratically elected Aristide for three years of chaos and systematic
       killing, George W. Bush (R)

I'm not so sure about George W. Bush being the worst president ever. I'm young and I haven't personally seen how many of the other past presidents have performed. But you definitely have to consider him among the worst presidents the U.S. has had. For a man who is the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, he has exposed himself as a generally unintelligent and ignorant person who led an unnecessary and questionable invasion of a country for the sole purpose of overthrowing a regime because it posed threats to them. Under Bush, the United States has plunged into an economic crisis. You can't sit there and tell me that the Bush administration has nothing to do with it. Even the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi was quoted as saying "Consider the terrible consequences of the 'anything goes' Bush Administration, whose irresponsible non-regulation of financial institutions has led to this crisis."   

Every single one of the governments or movements America was against in your list was completely evil and I don't know why you think it's ok to bash America in a forum that is trying to save America and loves America, as well as Israel. 

I'll pick a couple from your pathetic list.  Sudan??? Clinton bombed a chemical weapons program and they were harboring Osama Bin Laden who attacked the United States and they call that imperialism?  If the left says imperialism enough, people begin to believe it. 

I also suggest you and anyone who agrees with you, read your history about the Grant or Polk administrations, never mind the Carter Administration, when talking about the worst presidents in history.

 Just looking at Libya, that was a bombing against Qaddafi after two of his intelligence officers helped kill hundreds of people on a Pan Am flight and we bombed them in retaliation.  Completely justified. 

No one here is going to agree with the attacks on Serbia and perhaps even the Gulf War. 

I can't even list these all, Cambodia, who harbored Vietnamese troops to attack US forces and we righteously bombed those evil beasts.  I know everything was better when the communists took over...oh wait, they killed 3 million people and ruined the country.  They even wiped out the entire ethnic Chinese and Vietnamese populations there. 

Oh and the lovely communist regimes of Guatemala, El Salvador, and Nicaragua.  We never bombed them, we gave the opposition money and arms, which is not the same as being at war with someone.  Maybe we should take that logic at face value?  If a country supports your enemies and sells weapons to them, you are at war with them.  That means Israel is at war with Russia, we are at war with the entire Muslim world and so on.  I guess we can go down that path, but there will be a flip side to the left's arguments. 
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: SavetheWest on January 28, 2009, 01:43:03 PM
Universities are becoming so awful and they will fail you if you disagree with them unless you are 100% on top of your work. It's easier to just go along and agree with them if you're not absolutely confident that they will give you an A. 

What's really evil is that the left reinvents history.  If you talk to people who were alive during many of these conflicts they will tell you things that will blow your mind because many of them would show that the left distorts history.  The left often lies through omission.  They ill just leave certain facts out that don't support their thesis. 

Another thing the left and the neo-Marxists and neo-Maoists love to do is fawn over primitive societies.  I guess it's hard to criticize a nation or people who live in huts and never left a five mile area for screwing up everything.  It's easy to blame America because you can play 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon with the USA. There is this stupidity of primitivism, where hippies and those who love them think that we have gone against our inner beings.  We are living in an unnatural situation and need to go back to the way we lived 30,000 years ago.  They are against everything from the car to the modern day toilet.  That is why the USA is so reviled by them.  America represents human progress and its unparalleled success flies in the face of those idiotic theories like Marxism and anarchism.  America is the oldest democracy, and the best example of capitalism.  That's why you'll see all these documentaries against traditionally American culture, society, business, eating habits, capitalism, etc.  These primitivists think that Aboriginal culture is what we should follow, even though they used to only live for 30 years on average.  They want to go natural but ignore that nature can be very cruel and many plants can kill you.  It's when you have understanding about the world and have realistic expectations about how things work and follow the path of G-d, that you can begin to navigate properly though the world.  I'm so sick of "go natural".  Of course veggies are good for you but if you went around in the woods and started eating everything, you'd die very quickly.  We live longer than in any time in history and our health is better than ever. 
Title: Re: Guess what my college professor told a group of youngsters today.
Post by: Dr. Dan on January 28, 2009, 02:07:12 PM
did he teach you that there was no Santa Clause? :::D

because pretty much that's all these silly history professors know...