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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: zachor_ve_kavod on February 08, 2009, 11:38:12 PM
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Maybe I am a bit old fashioned, but I like to use words accurately. I think it does a great disservice to the English language to simply throw about words, solely for the effect of creating an emotional response. One word that is used far too liberally these days is 'racism'. It has become fashionable to describe as racist anything negative that is projected against any ethnic group. I've noticed this on the forum too.
We are accused of being racist because we have grievances with Islam and often with the black community also. This by itself is not racism. Racism is when you hold that groups are stratified in worth solely by race. We don't do that here. A white racist will hate blacks regardless of how they behave (whether good or bad), solely because they are blacks. A Jew can be considered a racist if he hates all arabs because of their race and not because of what they do. We don't do that here either.
Racism is a quasi-scientific concept that has been disproven time and again since the mid 20th century. It is a preposturous, antiquated notion of the 19th century that has only led to evil. G-d has given all men of all races free will. A person's worth may be calculated by how he exercises his free will. Racism will say that a person's inferiority is caused by his blood and the blood of his ethnic group.
For those who have come to our forum and charged us with racism, I ask if you have ever heard anyone on this forum charge that a particular group is inferior (or superior for that matter) because of any predetermined ethnic qualities? I can say for sure that you have not. We may attack the practices or the culture that leads to certain practices among a particular ethnic group, but that is a different matter entirely. Noticing trends among particular groups of people and condemning those trends is not the same as saying that those trends are caused by some ethnic blood inferiority.
So to anyone who wishes to label and libel our group as racist, if you truly care about racism (which I suspect you don't) then know that you are not helping your anti-racist crusade by charging racism falsely. In fact, labelling a group as racist, when they are not actually racist, sets back the cause of eliminating racism.
I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly. You won't impress me by using emotionally charged language for shock value. This is a trick of the Left and it works in scaring the weak minded (other Leftists), but it won't work on me. And to other members of the forum, who perhaps feel somewhat indignant at being labelled as racists, when you clearly are not, don't feel that you have to defend yourselves so vigorously against such slander.
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Thank you! :usa+israel:
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Very nice post Zachor.
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Maybe I am a bit old fashioned, but I like to use words accurately. I think it does a great disservice to the English language to simply throw about words, solely for the effect of creating an emotional response. One word that is used far too liberally these days is 'racism'. It has become fashionable to describe as racist anything negative that is projected against any ethnic group. I've noticed this on the forum too.
We are accused of being racist because we have grievances with Islam and often with the black community also. This by itself is not racism. Racism is when you hold that groups are stratified in worth solely by race. We don't do that here. A white racist will hate blacks regardless of how they behave (whether good or bad), solely because they are blacks. A Jew can be considered a racist if he hates all arabs because of their race and not because of what they do. We don't do that here either.
Racism is a quasi-scientific concept that has been disproven time and again since the mid 20th century. It is a preposturous, antiquated notion of the 19th century that has only led to evil. G-d has given all men of all races free will. A person's worth may be calculated by how he exercises his free will. Racism will say that a person's inferiority is caused by his blood and the blood of his ethnic group.
For those who have come to our forum and charged us with racism, I ask if you have ever heard anyone on this forum charge that a particular group is inferior (or superior for that matter) because of any predetermined ethnic qualities? I can say for sure that you have not. We may attack the practices or the culture that leads to certain practices among a particular ethnic group, but that is a different matter entirely. Noticing trends among particular groups of people and condemning those trends is not the same as saying that those trends are caused by some ethnic blood inferiority.
So to anyone who wishes to label and libel our group as racist, if you truly care about racism (which I suspect you don't) then know that you are not helping your anti-racist crusade by charging racism falsely. In fact, labelling a group as racist, when they are not actually racist, sets back the cause of eliminating racism.
I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly. You won't impress me by using emotionally charged language for shock value. This is a trick of the Left and it works in scaring the weak minded (other Leftists), but it won't work on me. And to other members of the forum, who perhaps feel somewhat indignant at being labelled as racists, when you clearly are not, don't feel that you have to defend yourselves so vigorously against such slander.
Hi Zachor, now that is an excellent quote. I agree with you! I don't despise Moslems because of the clothes they wear, or the color of their skin.
I don't despise them for what they eat. I despise them and wish for their death because Moslems are NAZIS. Moslems are determined to take over the World and commit mass murders ( genocide ) against all of Humanity. This is a fact about Islam! Islam is a hideous death and destruction cult.
I have been called racist by those who are the truly racists.
Some people that come to the forum as guests or members, are so quick to point out that we are racists....but the truth of the matter is this:
Liberals and Moslems are the most intolerant of all living people on earth! It has come to a point where Islam is seeking blood on a Global scale.
Liberals are extremely tolerant of Islam's quest for blood...in fact Liberals close their eyes to the autrocities that Moslems commit on a daily basis worldwide, yet they have the dammed nerve to call us racists....this is outrageous because in reality, the Liberals are going out of their way to appease the radical racists.
It makes no sense to me...Liberalism is as deadly as Islam.
G-d help us! Shalom - Dox
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I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly.
Some members here stereotype all romas as criminals and some even call them animals. Thats clearly racist, i didnt expectet that from jews since we have a similar history of suffering and persecution i thought we are friends.
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I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly.
Some members here stereotype all romas as criminals and some even call them animals. Thats clearly racist, i didnt expectet that from jews since we have a similar history of suffering and persecution i thought we are friends.
If anything, racism has come from the Liberals and the Blacks towards Jews.
Affirmative Action is a nice little example. Like you, I was once a Liberal, until I was the victim of AA when I tried to get into a Grad program. When I protested the reason that I was "Privileged and Advantaged" by Dr. Larry Z. leslie of U/South Florida (a self-hating white convert to Islam), I was branded a racist and was then expelled ftom a anti-racist srudent group I was a member of at my school (not USF, but word got back to them). THAT opened my eyes and to what a self-hating fool I was and who the REAL racists were. In fact, I believe I was the only white member of that group. I should have know better.
Ler me ask YOU something. How will YOU feel when you lose YOUR job to AA? And don't say you'll just get something else. You WILL have your eyes opened when you get crapped on by your Black "friends."
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ChaimbenMordechai, your story sounds very familiar to me. I was never exactly a liberal, but I did fall hook, line, and sinker for all that stuff about how being "racist" was so bad. Then I was up for a promotion at my job and instead of promoting me, for three times the boss put in negroes, two of which I'd trained and one of which was taken from another company. Other people who had the job I wanted supported me, and wanted me to work alongside them, and even said so to the boss.
None of that mattered, all that mattered was that I wasn't black.
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I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly.
Some members here stereotype all romas as criminals and some even call them animals. Thats clearly racist, i didnt expectet that from jews since we have a similar history of suffering and persecution i thought we are friends.
Look IM,
you are no bad person and of cause it is true, that the Roma suffered terrible in the times of the Nazi terror, like the Jews did.
But I think you cannot expect, that people will like you only because of your family background. I think if you will proof yourselve as a friend, it will return to you.
I think too the wast majority of members disagree with the animal & criminal defamation.
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This is a very accurate post, and I agree.
A TRUE racist hates ALL members of a given group, even the GOOD ones. To me that is ridiculous and stupid.
I hate blacks that commit crimes, act like morons, and prove what RACISTS THEY ARE by voting for someone JUST because he is black.
I don't hate Pastor James Manning; in fact if I knew more of his views I might even support him for President.
But to hate an ENTIRE group JUST because of skin color is really ignorant, IMO.
And if you think about it, the word PREJUDICE means to PRE-JUDGE.
I do not PRE-JUDGE anyone. I judge based on what I KNOW of them and SEE them DO.
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The word 'Racism' is often used by the leftist phony liberals to try and shut us out from jobs and other things. Why? Because they can't get the job without assassinating our character.
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I have friends of all backgrounds i must admit though almost all are Caucasian but i do have Black friends puerto rican friends my brother had a Lebanese Girl he was friends with although she was born in the U.S. and was a Christian. I don't have any Islamic friends and about that i really don't care.
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I actually used to have a number of black friends, but when I asked them who they voted for after the election, I found that all but one voted for Obama.
So now, by my choice, I only have one black friend.
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The word 'Racism' is often used by the leftist phony liberals to try and shut us out from jobs and other things. Why? Because they can't get the job without assassinating our character.
Like I said...
Let's see how LIBERAL they staye when they get a job taken away from them!
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I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly.
Some members here stereotype all romas as criminals and some even call them animals. Thats clearly racist, i didnt expectet that from jews since we have a similar history of suffering and persecution i thought we are friends.
What are Romas and why do you claim that (all) "jews" are racist? I'm a Jew...I"m not racist against romas in that I particularly don't know what one is...So quit stereoptyping that all jews are racists against romas...
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
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as far as racism is concerned. The only reason why certain things sound racist to some people is that we have been raised in a politically correct society and trained to view certain comments to be racist. However, the reality is that racism is specifically something people say against one's genetics as inferior or superior.
Judging behavior even if predominantly found in a certain racial group is not racism...
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I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly.
Some members here stereotype all romas as criminals and some even call them animals. Thats clearly racist, i didnt expectet that from jews since we have a similar history of suffering and persecution i thought we are friends.
What are Romas and why do you claim that (all) "jews" are racist? I'm a Jew...I"m not racist against romas in that I particularly don't know what one is...So quit stereoptyping that all jews are racists against romas...
Romas are also called gypsies.
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
The Roma and Sinti people are both families of Gypsies, who were persecuted by Hitler (ym"sh). This article explains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti
I have known Jews who have been against the Gypsy people. My father's lady friend is a Hungarian Jew who considers the Gypsies to be a bunch of thieves. She never claimed that they are this way because they are racially inferior though. So you can say that she has a bias against this group of people, and it might be an unfair bias, a bigotry even, but it's not based on race.
Do Jews in general have a particular bias against the Roma? I don't know, I doubt it. But I would bet that any existing biases of this kind would not be based on assumptions about racial inferiority. Therefore it is not racism. Let's call bigoty bigotry and racism racism.
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I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly.
Some members here stereotype all romas as criminals and some even call them animals. Thats clearly racist, i didnt expectet that from jews since we have a similar history of suffering and persecution i thought we are friends.
What are Romas and why do you claim that (all) "jews" are racist? I'm a Jew...I"m not racist against romas in that I particularly don't know what one is...So quit stereoptyping that all jews are racists against romas...
Romas are also called gypsies.
So what's your point? that Jews are racists against Gypsies? I'm not...I judge people based on behavior and not where they're from...although..if a large group of gypsies are known, let's say for example, for theft, I might at first be vigilent...but not because he is genetically a Roma. But because the people he comes from have been known and have been frequently seen to practice that sort of behavior. If that Roma proves himself trustworthy and honest, those walls of vigilence gets removed.
THe same goes with any other racial group or nationality. Blacks have been observed to follow a certain undesirable behavior. IT's not because they are black skinned..but more what they accept culturally. Therefore, vigilence is necessary..one who practices vigilence towards blacks is not a racist...he's normal.
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
As someone with Romanian blood, i'd feel pretty insulted if someone called me a Roma, that'd be like calling a British person Irish or something.
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I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly.
Some members here stereotype all romas as criminals and some even call them animals. Thats clearly racist, i didnt expectet that from jews since we have a similar history of suffering and persecution i thought we are friends.
What are Romas and why do you claim that (all) "jews" are racist? I'm a Jew...I"m not racist against romas in that I particularly don't know what one is...So quit stereoptyping that all jews are racists against romas...
Romas are also called gypsies.
And a good chunk of those "Romas" are muslims.
The Muslim Gypsies in Romania are Sunnites of the Hanafitic rite
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
The Roma and Sinti people are both families of Gypsies, who were persecuted by Hitler (ym"sh). This article explains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti
I have known Jews who have been against the Gypsy people. My father's lady friend is a Hungarian Jew who considers the Gypsies to be a bunch of thieves. She never claimed that they are this way because they are racially inferior though. So you can say that she has a bias against this group of people, and it might be an unfair bias, a bigotry even, but it's not based on race.
Do Jews in general have a particular bias against the Roma? I don't know, I doubt it. But I would bet that any existing biases of this kind would not be based on assumptions about racial inferiority. Therefore it is not racism. Let's call bigoty bigotry and racism racism.
I had an experience last year that distressed me.
My youngest daughter attends a Chabad Hebrew school, and she came home one day and asked me "why do gypsies steal babies?" And I said, "Where in the world did you get such a crazy idea?" She said, "Morah (teacher) told me it."
I went to the school and it turned out to be a teacher from Eastern Europe...I had a LONG talk with her, and gave her some printed info about the history of the Romani people, showing how THEIR children were often kidnapped (esp. in Bohemia) by non-Roma!
I told her that we of all people should not spread false stories like that, because that kind of stuff has often been done to US.
It would be one thing if what she said was based on a TRUE story, but the idea of Roma stealing babies is so old and so untrue...its like the one about all Jews being commuunists or moneylenders!
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
The Roma and Sinti people are both families of Gypsies, who were persecuted by Hitler (ym"sh). This article explains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti
I have known Jews who have been against the Gypsy people. My father's lady friend is a Hungarian Jew who considers the Gypsies to be a bunch of thieves. She never claimed that they are this way because they are racially inferior though. So you can say that she has a bias against this group of people, and it might be an unfair bias, a bigotry even, but it's not based on race.
Do Jews in general have a particular bias against the Roma? I don't know, I doubt it. But I would bet that any existing biases of this kind would not be based on assumptions about racial inferiority. Therefore it is not racism. Let's call bigoty bigotry and racism racism.
I had an experience last year that distressed me.
My youngest daughter attends a Chabad Hebrew school, and she came home one day and asked me "why do gypsies steal babies?" And I said, "Where in the world did you get such a crazy idea?" She said, "Morah (teacher) told me it."
I went to the school and it turned out to be a teacher from Eastern Europe...I had a LONG talk with her, and gave her some printed info about the history of the Romani people, showing how THEIR children were often kidnapped (esp. in Bohemia) by non-Roma!
I told her that we of all people should not spread false stories like that, because that kind of stuff has often been done to US.
It would be one thing if what she said was based on a TRUE story, but the idea of Roma stealing babies is so old and so untrue...its like the one about all Jews being commuunists or moneylenders!
I understand your point, but you should know that there are in fact a large number of Jews who were and who are communists. Also, Jews were money lenders. In this they had no choice--it was often the only profession that they were allowed to engage in. So to condemn Jews for being money lenders is absurd, as they were forced into it. Also, to condemn Jews for being communists in the early part of the 20th century is absurd. Nobody could have known what kind of disasters communism would lead to. But Jews who are communists today should know better.
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
The Roma and Sinti people are both families of Gypsies, who were persecuted by Hitler (ym"sh). This article explains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti
I have known Jews who have been against the Gypsy people. My father's lady friend is a Hungarian Jew who considers the Gypsies to be a bunch of thieves. She never claimed that they are this way because they are racially inferior though. So you can say that she has a bias against this group of people, and it might be an unfair bias, a bigotry even, but it's not based on race.
Do Jews in general have a particular bias against the Roma? I don't know, I doubt it. But I would bet that any existing biases of this kind would not be based on assumptions about racial inferiority. Therefore it is not racism. Let's call bigoty bigotry and racism racism.
I had an experience last year that distressed me.
My youngest daughter attends a Chabad Hebrew school, and she came home one day and asked me "why do gypsies steal babies?" And I said, "Where in the world did you get such a crazy idea?" She said, "Morah (teacher) told me it."
I went to the school and it turned out to be a teacher from Eastern Europe...I had a LONG talk with her, and gave her some printed info about the history of the Romani people, showing how THEIR children were often kidnapped (esp. in Bohemia) by non-Roma!
I told her that we of all people should not spread false stories like that, because that kind of stuff has often been done to US.
It would be one thing if what she said was based on a TRUE story, but the idea of Roma stealing babies is so old and so untrue...its like the one about all Jews being commuunists or moneylenders!
I understand your point, but you should know that there are in fact a large number of Jews who were and who are communists. Also, Jews were money lenders. In this they had no choice--it was often the only profession that they were allowed to engage in. So to condemn Jews for being money lenders is absurd, as they were forced into it. Also, to condemn Jews for being communists in the early part of the 20th century is absurd. Nobody could have known what kind of disasters communism would lead to. But Jews who are communists today should know better.
Oh don't worry, I'm WELL aware of that! I was just trying to say that there are stereotypes that may have once been true, but generally are not anymore. And there are also stereotypes that were never true.
In the Middle Ages, Jews were falsely accused of using Christian blood for Pesach rituals. Interestingly, the ancient Christians were falsely accused by the pagan Romans of killing Roman children to use THEIR blood for Communion!
The Roma often had their children kidnapped from them to be raised as non-Roma, and to accuse them of doing the same, in my mind is just reprehensible.
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The baby issue I read very often, but only in very old books.
I think Roma families have a lot of work with maintaining their own children, so this accusation is bogus.
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
The Roma and Sinti people are both families of Gypsies, who were persecuted by Hitler (ym"sh). This article explains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinti
I have known Jews who have been against the Gypsy people. My father's lady friend is a Hungarian Jew who considers the Gypsies to be a bunch of thieves. She never claimed that they are this way because they are racially inferior though. So you can say that she has a bias against this group of people, and it might be an unfair bias, a bigotry even, but it's not based on race.
Do Jews in general have a particular bias against the Roma? I don't know, I doubt it. But I would bet that any existing biases of this kind would not be based on assumptions about racial inferiority. Therefore it is not racism. Let's call bigoty bigotry and racism racism.
I had an experience last year that distressed me.
My youngest daughter attends a Chabad Hebrew school, and she came home one day and asked me "why do gypsies steal babies?" And I said, "Where in the world did you get such a crazy idea?" She said, "Morah (teacher) told me it."
I went to the school and it turned out to be a teacher from Eastern Europe...I had a LONG talk with her, and gave her some printed info about the history of the Romani people, showing how THEIR children were often kidnapped (esp. in Bohemia) by non-Roma!
I told her that we of all people should not spread false stories like that, because that kind of stuff has often been done to US.
It would be one thing if what she said was based on a TRUE story, but the idea of Roma stealing babies is so old and so untrue...its like the one about all Jews being commuunists or moneylenders!
I understand your point, but you should know that there are in fact a large number of Jews who were and who are communists. Also, Jews were money lenders. In this they had no choice--it was often the only profession that they were allowed to engage in. So to condemn Jews for being money lenders is absurd, as they were forced into it. Also, to condemn Jews for being communists in the early part of the 20th century is absurd. Nobody could have known what kind of disasters communism would lead to. But Jews who are communists today should know better.
I think a large reason many Jews became communist after World War II is that they associated the right wing with Nazism/Fascism/Nationalism so they felt that communism was the direct opposite of Nazism to equality/peace/freedom. If you watch left wing Jewish documentaries, many of the left wingers try to tie things to Nazis.
Take an example
Many of the Leftist Jews that are for illegal immigration justify it because of the fact that many countries would not allow Jews into their countries during World War II.
Leftists justify this from the following verse
"You shall not aggrieve a stranger or oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt" (Exodus 22:20)
Gun Control which is a typical leftist notion comes from the following.
Rav Nosson says that a person is not allowed to raise a dangerous dog, or to place a weak ladder in his home, because the Torah says (Devarim 22:8) "V'Lo Sosim Domim B'Vaysechah" (And You Should Not Place Blood [Danger] In Your House). The Maharsha explains that the Torah is teaching us that even though what you are doing may be no threat to your own family since they are known to the dog or aware that the ladder is weak, and even though you are raising this dog only for protection from burglars, it is still forbidden to keep this danger in your home. The Sefer HaChinuch (Mitzvah 547) writes that this prohibition even applies if the danger could only cause harm and not death. (See the Teshuvos Dvar Avraham Vol. 1 Ch. 37:25, and the Chazon Ish in Likutim Ch 18 & 19).
They claim because it's a tool that creates danger in the home that a Jew should not have a gun and therefore feel gentiles should not have them in their home either.
Nationalism, of course this is related to Nazi Germany, the notion that Jewish communists and leftists claim that race does not exist and blaming the white man for racism is done out of fear due to history of pogroms in Europe and being removed or expelled from countries.
I truly think the majority of Jewish communists after World War II became communists because they felt it was as far away from Nazism and nationalism possible when in reality, the two are really quite similar.
Nazism and Communism really aren't very different at all, to believe that the Soviet Union wasn't a racist country is putting it mildly, the Soviet Union expelled Jews to the east and many of the races were kept separate from each other although there was no official government policy, but it was still put in place. Both were socialist which government had authority and control.
Todays communists, you have leaders and followers. The leaders are well aware of what they are doing, the followers are not. Just like Nazi Germany, today's youth are brainwashed to believe that the United States is the new Nazi Germany and that capitalism is evil or that we are imperialist, therefore as a means of rebel, many youth believe communism is far to the left of what the US is (although technically we have become socialist).
One thing for sure, communists, nazis, blacks, socialists, liberals, muslims seem to all agree that we the Jews are their greatest enemy and will work together to destroy us, what does that tell ya?
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It has been my experience more than often, that those who accuse others of racism are the most bigoted and racists of all.
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
As someone with Romanian blood, i'd feel pretty insulted if someone called me a Roma, that'd be like calling a British person Irish or something.
I knew that Romanians I'd seen on tv looked absolutely nothing like Roma.
My dad said one of his friends used to tell their kids that when the ice cream truck was coming it was the gypsies and they had to hide or they'd be stolen away. That was to avoid having to pay for ice cream. I think it's mean but the story still makes me laugh.
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
As someone with Romanian blood, i'd feel pretty insulted if someone called me a Roma, that'd be like calling a British person Irish or something.
I knew that Romanians I'd seen on tv looked absolutely nothing like Roma.
I was about to say, does my dad look like a Roma to you?
(http://www.fwbairsoft.com/dad/dadold.JPG)
I'd donkey slap someone if they said he does minus the Jew fro.
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wait a second a roma is a romanian...
There are some nice ones and some terrible ones out there...
I don't think a Roma is the same thing as a Romanian. Roma are originally from India. Romanians are white Europeans.
As someone with Romanian blood, i'd feel pretty insulted if someone called me a Roma, that'd be like calling a British person Irish or something.
I knew that Romanians I'd seen on tv looked absolutely nothing like Roma.
I was about to say, does my dad look like a Roma to you?
(http://www.fwbairsoft.com/dad/dadold.JPG)
I'd donkey slap someone if they said he does minus the Jew fro.
Hi WhiteIsraelite, your dad is handsome and his hair style was popular in the seventies. I am assuming the picture was taken in the seventies or early eighties. Thank you for sharing his picture with the forum.
Shalom - Dox
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The biggest difference between Romas(Gypsies) and Romanians, that Romanians have country, Gypsies have not homeland, they came somewhere from Pakistan or North-India 500 years ago.
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My boss is Romanian and he sounds like Dracula too... Actually there are about four Romanians who I work with at my company... I have not heard anything derogatory from these co-workers.
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I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly.
Some members here stereotype all romas as criminals and some even call them animals. Thats clearly racist, i didnt expectet that from jews since we have a similar history of suffering and persecution i thought we are friends.
What are Romas and why do you claim that (all) "jews" are racist? I'm a Jew...I"m not racist against romas in that I particularly don't know what one is...So quit stereoptyping that all jews are racists against romas...
Romas are also called gypsies.
And a good chunk of those "Romas" are muslims.
The Muslim Gypsies in Romania are Sunnites of the Hanafitic rite
Majority of european romas are christians, catholic, protestant or orthodox only a small minority are muslims.
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I would like to see no racism anywhere. It certainly is not on this forum. A good start in eliminating racism is to first only label as racist that which is racist. And start using language properly.
Some members here stereotype all romas as criminals and some even call them animals. Thats clearly racist, i didnt expectet that from jews since we have a similar history of suffering and persecution i thought we are friends.
What are Romas and why do you claim that (all) "jews" are racist? I'm a Jew...I"m not racist against romas in that I particularly don't know what one is...So quit stereoptyping that all jews are racists against romas...
Romas are also called gypsies.
And a good chunk of those "Romas" are muslims.
The Muslim Gypsies in Romania are Sunnites of the Hanafitic rite
Majority of european romas are christians, catholic, protestant or orthodox only a small minority are muslims.
Most of the members know them as "Gypsy". Well that's why they robbed a synagogue in Veszprém county, where few days ago they killed a famous Romanian handball player by knife, and attacked a Serb and Croat guys too?
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It has been my experience more than often, that those who accuse others of racism are the most bigoted and racists of all.
You got that right!