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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: mdub on March 12, 2009, 01:35:01 AM
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Hey JTFers,
been watching your forum lately and while i like some things you say i'm not so sure your focus is on target.
i mean maybe obama really is a muslim. but is that what motivates him on a daily basis or it is connections with the trilateral commision, cfr, the bilderberg group.
so let's keep score of this issue based on what he's actually done and focused on in his campaign.
we'll look at each thing he's done so far and see if it fits more with the nwo agenda or the agenda of islam.
1. 30,000 more troops in afghanistan to fight muslims (doubling the amount of troops there) : NWO 1 Islam 0
2. promised to bring troopsaid he'd bring out troops from Iraq...broke the promise. now he's not so sure...now it's probably going to take 16 3. months to bring out SOME troops. NWO 2 Islam 0
4. promised he'd close guantanamo for publicity...in actuality nothing has really changed there: NWO 3 Islam 0
5. campaign apppointments: few if any muslims in his administration. many many CFR Trilateral Commission and Bildeberg Group
NWO 4 Islam 0
6. Said he wants to make peace with Muslim world: NWO 4 Islam 1
7. Gave Money To Hamas: 1 Vote for Muslim: NWO 4 Islam 2
8. Gave MUCH more money to wealthy banks than he ever gave to Hamas: NWO 5 Islam 2
9. Pressuring Israel to commit suicide (NWO/Muslim both agree on that...but I haven't seen him talk about it a lot)
so it seems like while he has some alliegance to islam, his real ties lie with his bildeberger buddies. Can we at least agree on that?
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What is the bildeburg group? It sounds kooky. I think it's pretty simple to figure Obama out. If you spend a lot of time on the JTF forum, you agree with many JTF positions and beliefs. If you spend 17 years in the Trinity Church that means you agree with the pastor and its programs. Pretty simple really.
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What is the bildeburg group? It sounds kooky.
Oh brother. you better educate yourself pretty fast man. Obama's been in with those guys even longer than he's been in with trinity church. and he didn't appoint trinity church members to his cabinet. he appointed his bilderberg buddies. you better look it up. some of the most powerful people in the world. It's a little more complicated than you think.
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and i don't even know why there's so much focus on obama. he's the president. he's got little power compared to the fed who completely control the money supply. look how congress whines as fed members do whatever the hell they want. that's where the real power, decisions, (and the real problems) originate.
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and i don't even know why there's so much focus on obama. he's the president. he's got little power compared to the fed who completely control the money supply. look how congress whines as fed members do whatever the hell they want. that's where the real power, decisions, (and the real problems) originate.
Yet, despite "taking " office around only 50 days ago, Barack Hussein Obama has already signed at least 17 executive orders. That's way beyond the norm for a President. A substantial amount of focus needs to be on Obama.
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and i don't even know why there's so much focus on obama. he's the president. he's got little power compared to the fed who completely control the money supply. look how congress whines as fed members do whatever the hell they want. that's where the real power, decisions, (and the real problems) originate.
Yet, despite "taking " office around only 50 days ago, Barack Hussein Obama has already signed at least 17 executive orders. That's way beyond the norm for a President. A substantial amount of focus needs to be on Obama.
that's true...but there are people behin the scenes that push him around and decide what executive orders he should implement (hint: look to the people who funded his campaign...he didn't get to the presidency on his own...some people got him there...and they pretty much own him....you need to look into who those people are...)
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I think Islam and NWO go hand in hand. You ought to see what is happening with Israel.
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I think Islam and NWO go hand in hand. You ought to see what is happening with Israel.
Agreed. I think the NWO uses Islam. They like when people fight with eachother over religion. Takes everybody's eye off the ball so they can do what they want unnoticed, fund both sides of wars etc.
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watch this folks. i don't care if you think the author of this is the biggest nazi on the planet. use your own mind and you'll see that there is a lot of truth here no matter how evil the messenger may be.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B4B5C108C5FAC091
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Shalom brother mdub,
I already posted a response to the Obama poll on the JTF site as well as a question recently concerning Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Ask JTF show concerning who it really is who is behind Obama's rise to power. In the case of Bill & Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, the very same multi-national corporations owned by certain Israel-hating billionaires [ eg well known Israel-hater, George Soros] are behind both of them.
Even a broken, antisemitic, Ron Paul-supporting, neo-Nazi, conspiracy-nut backed clock - like Alex Jones - can be correct about Obama's backers at least twice a day. Of course Wall Street is behind Obama! What is so "extraordinary" or "unusual" about that? Wall Street was also behind Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party in the 1920's and 1930's! No real big surprises there!
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What are JTF's opinions on supposedly NWO people like the Rothschilds and Kissinger?
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Shalom brother mdub,
I already posted a response to the Obama poll on the JTF site as well as a question recently concerning Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Ask JTF show concerning who it really is who is behind Obama's rise to power. In the case of Bill & Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, the very same multi-national corporations owned by certain Israel-hating billionaires [ eg well known Israel-hater, George Soros] are behind both of them.
Even a broken, antisemitic, Ron Paul-supporting, neo-Nazi, conspiracy-nut backed clock - like Alex Jones - can be correct about Obama's backers at least twice a day. Of course Wall Street is behind Obama! What is so "extraordinary" or "unusual" about that? Wall Street was also behind Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party in the 1920's and 1930's! No real big surprises there!
ok! So we're in agreement! But if you agree with me...then JTF's energies are tragically missing the target. you're focusing 90% of your energies fighting obama and 10% fighting the real power brokers on wall street. instead you should focus 90% of your efforts on the kissingers, rockafellers, the brezinkys ...these people are the real problem. obama is their puppet...and you're doing a great disservice if you fall for the "puppet show" and focus almost exclusively on Obama (or Palin for that matter...she won't get anywhere unless she falls in line with these folks)
right 4natational?
p.s. for that matter you should focus less on islam too and more on these nwo gansters...because they are the ones who drilled the oil for the muslims and gave them all their power.
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I will NEVER take my focus off of Islam! >:( George Soros will always play a part in everything that goes against our moral values. :fist: :usa+israel:
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Shalom brother mdub,
I already posted a response to the Obama poll on the JTF site as well as a question recently concerning Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Ask JTF show concerning who it really is who is behind Obama's rise to power. In the case of Bill & Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, the very same multi-national corporations owned by certain Israel-hating billionaires [ eg well known Israel-hater, George Soros] are behind both of them.
Even a broken, antisemitic, Ron Paul-supporting, neo-Nazi, conspiracy-nut backed clock - like Alex Jones - can be correct about Obama's backers at least twice a day. Of course Wall Street is behind Obama! What is so "extraordinary" or "unusual" about that? Wall Street was also behind Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party in the 1920's and 1930's! No real big surprises there!
ok! So we're in agreement! But if you agree with me...then JTF's energies are tragically missing the target. you're focusing 90% of your energies fighting obama and 10% fighting the real power brokers on wall street. instead you should focus 90% of your efforts on the kissingers, rockafellers, the brezinkys ...these people are the real problem. obama is their puppet...and you're doing a great disservice if you fall for the "puppet show" and focus almost exclusively on Obama (or Palin for that matter...she won't get anywhere unless she falls in line with these folks)
right 4natational?
p.s. for that matter you should focus less on islam too and more on these nwo gansters...because they are the ones who drilled the oil for the muslims and gave them all their power.
Shalom brother mdub,
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. You are completely missing the mark and making A HUGE MISTAKE if you take your focus away from Obama and Islam. We cannot take our focus off Obama or Islam. Why you may ask? If you understand Brzezinski and Obama's other backers like George Soros, you will understand that they are ALL PRO-MUSLIM AND HATE AMERICA'S TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVE REPUBLIC!!!
The American people can't do much about getting rid of Obama's political and financial backers but they CAN do a lot to hurt Obama's chance of being re-elected!! So it would be pure foolishness to focus our energies against Brzezinski, Soros, et al while letting Obama and Islam off the hook.
While it is true that people like Brzezinski and Soros believe that you can use Islam as a weapon against the interests of the people of the United States and the Western world, to go from there and make the monumental leap to IGNORING ISLAM and Obama -who is in an executive position - would be pure folly.
Let me put it to you this way: Adolf Hitler indeed had his financial backers on Wall Street and in the multinational corporations like IBM during the 1920's and 1930's, BUT....
what if the British decided to take their focus away and IGNORE Hitler and his Nazi party in late 1939 and say "hey lets bomb Wall Street and IBM!!" instead. I'm sure you would agree that this would be pure insanity. In the same way, ignoring Obama and Islam would be just as ludicrous. Obama is PRO-ISLAM because he is a muslim!!! Obama is against the interests of the United States because deep down he hates the values that the traditional conservatives hold dear.
Don't be fooled by people like Alex Jones and his ally - Ron Paul - into taking your focus away from the danger of Islam. For example, Ron Paul thinks that it is no big deal if Iran has nuclear weapons which can be delivered by ICBM's against the United States and Israel!! The fact that Ron Paul advocates such a position proves he is a complete SUICIDAL LUNATIC.
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Shalom brother mdub,
I already posted a response to the Obama poll on the JTF site as well as a question recently concerning Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Ask JTF show concerning who it really is who is behind Obama's rise to power. In the case of Bill & Hillary Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama, the very same multi-national corporations owned by certain Israel-hating billionaires [ eg well known Israel-hater, George Soros] are behind both of them.
Even a broken, antisemitic, Ron Paul-supporting, neo-Nazi, conspiracy-nut backed clock - like Alex Jones - can be correct about Obama's backers at least twice a day. Of course Wall Street is behind Obama! What is so "extraordinary" or "unusual" about that? Wall Street was also behind Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party in the 1920's and 1930's! No real big surprises there!
ok! So we're in agreement! But if you agree with me...then JTF's energies are tragically missing the target. you're focusing 90% of your energies fighting obama and 10% fighting the real power brokers on wall street. instead you should focus 90% of your efforts on the kissingers, rockafellers, the brezinkys ...these people are the real problem. obama is their puppet...and you're doing a great disservice if you fall for the "puppet show" and focus almost exclusively on Obama (or Palin for that matter...she won't get anywhere unless she falls in line with these folks)
right 4natational?
p.s. for that matter you should focus less on islam too and more on these nwo gansters...because they are the ones who drilled the oil for the muslims and gave them all their power.
Shalom brother mdub,
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. You are completely missing the mark and making A HUGE MISTAKE if you take your focus away from Obama and Islam. We cannot take our focus off Obama or Islam. Why you may ask? If you understand Brzezinski and Obama's other backers like George Soros, you will understand that they are ALL PRO-MUSLIM AND HATE AMERICA'S TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVE REPUBLIC!!!
The American people can't do much about getting rid of Obama's political and financial backers but they CAN do a lot to hurt Obama's chance of being re-elected!! So it would be pure foolishness to focus our energies against Brzezinski, Soros, et al while letting Obama and Islam off the hook.
While it is true that people like Brzezinski and Soros believe that you can use Islam as a weapon against the interests of the people of the United States and the Western world, to go from there and make the monumental leap to IGNORING ISLAM and Obama -who is in an executive position - would be pure folly.
Let me put it to you this way: Adolf Hitler indeed had his financial backers on Wall Street and in the multinational corporations like IBM during the 1920's and 1930's, BUT....
what if the British decided to take their focus away and IGNORE Hitler and his Nazi party in late 1939 and say "hey lets bomb Wall Street and IBM!!" instead. I'm sure you would agree that this would be pure insanity. In the same way, ignoring Obama and Islam would be just as ludicrous. Obama is PRO-ISLAM because he is a muslim!!! Obama is against the interests of the United States because deep down he hates the values that the traditional conservatives hold dear.
Don't be fooled by people like Alex Jones and his ally - Ron Paul - into taking your focus away from the danger of Islam. For example, Ron Paul thinks that it is no big deal if Iran has nuclear weapons which can be delivered by ICBM's against the United States and Israel!! The fact that Ron Paul advocates such a position proves he is a complete SUICIDAL LUNATIC.
i'd like to have this conversation with you as it is a very importnat one. but please don't lump me in with alex jones or ron paul. i KNOW they're nuts.
i want to read what you are saying and give you a thoughtful reply...coming soon.
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and i don't even know why there's so much focus on obama. he's the president. he's got little power compared to the fed who completely control the money supply. look how congress whines as fed members do whatever the hell they want. that's where the real power, decisions, (and the real problems) originate.
Yet, despite "taking " office around only 50 days ago, Barack Hussein Obama has already signed at least 17 executive orders. That's way beyond the norm for a President. A substantial amount of focus needs to be on Obama.
that's true...but there are people behin the scenes that push him around and decide what executive orders he should implement (hint: look to the people who funded his campaign...he didn't get to the presidency on his own...some people got him there...and they pretty much own him....you need to look into who those people are...)
Muslims and the WORST of the radical left.... Michael Moore, George Soros, the oil rich Arabs who call for a Jihad on the West.
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ok. you say you're going to try to hurt his chance of being re-elected.
but you should remember that all you'll really be doing is switching from one wall street (CFR Bilderberg Trilateral Commision) puppet to another and nothing will really change. i mean..be honest have the policies really changed much from George w. Bush? No! Why? because BOTH of their cabinets are filled with members of the same globalist societies.
so you will NOT get any real change if you just "prevent obama from being elected".
if you could haave somehow shut down the funders of the holocoust you WOULD have stopped hte holocoust. hilter's nothing but a big mouth a--hole unless he's got cash=guns.
you say we can't do anything about who's in charge on wall street. i happen to disagree. there is a lot we can do to expose who's really taking this country down the toilet...when you expose them they lose all power...whereas exposing obama will just get you from one cfr puppet to another in a nevr ending march towards the destruction of Israel and this country.
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Mdub, the NWO is the radical left and Islam...I am suprised you do not see this.
Liberalism & Islam are NAZISM. Obama shares their same IDEAOLOGY!
The Left and Islam seek global domination, after they killed everyone off, they will start killing each other off.
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and i don't even know why there's so much focus on obama. he's the president. he's got little power compared to the fed who completely control the money supply. look how congress whines as fed members do whatever the hell they want. that's where the real power, decisions, (and the real problems) originate.
Yet, despite "taking " office around only 50 days ago, Barack Hussein Obama has already signed at least 17 executive orders. That's way beyond the norm for a President. A substantial amount of focus needs to be on Obama.
that's true...but there are people behin the scenes that push him around and decide what executive orders he should implement (hint: look to the people who funded his campaign...he didn't get to the presidency on his own...some people got him there...and they pretty much own him....you need to look into who those people are...)
Muslims and the WORST of the radical left.... Michael Moore, George Soros, the oil rich Arabs who call for a Jihad on the West.
george soros YES!
michael moore NO! Moor has nowhere near the kind of money needed to change world policies...he's a stooge of other more powrful people.
the arabs? are morons! stupid people are not your problem. couldn't find their way out of a smelly donkey if not for nwo help. they didn't find or drill that oil...somebody else did that.
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Mdub, the NWO is the radical left and Islam...I am suprised you do not see this.
Liberalism & Islam are NAZISM. Obama shares their same IDEAOLOGY!
The Left and Islam seek global domination, after they killed everyone off, they will start killing each other off.
i pretty much agree with the aboeve republicndox but remember...muslims are poor and dumb without these globalists...they are not the real threat.
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I think it is wise to attack the problem at its ideological source. I believe the issue is greed. On the one hand Obama and his ilk are out for themselves. They are out to grease the hands which got them where they are. But I am 100% capitalist and I believe that the money is where the power is. I am not for outlawing corporations or limiting trade. I am an American nationalist who wants America to reign in technology and in economy. I am also a proud Jew who is doing what he can to help the cause of a Jewish Israel which will be safe for all Jews to live in.
I don't give in to these NWO conspiracy theories. I do worry that some have visions of a single world government and this, according to our holy book the Torah, is something which will not bring world peace but complete destruction of humanity. I am adamantly against any New World Order except for the one which G-d himself promised. I am not sure of your {or any readers} religious beliefs but the Jews have long held the belief that a Redeemer will come who will gather all Jews into Israel and bring an age of peace and prosperity to the world. All nations will be enamored with the model which Israel will set and come to realize the truth.
Having said this I hope you understand the religious Jews outlook on this issue. I don't like Obama the least, as a matter of fact I wish for this failure. But I do not fear him nor any Bilderburg commision. Many an evil plot has been discovered in history. I believe that things are way better than they were 500 years ago. We will survive the current evil administration and live to see its failure.
Thank you,
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I think it is wise to attack the problem at its ideological source. I believe the issue is greed. On the one hand Obama and his ilk are out for themselves. They are out to grease the hands which got them where they are. But I am 100% capitalist and I believe that the money is where the power is. I am not for outlawing corporations or limiting trade. I am an American nationalist who wants America to reign in technology and in economy. I am also a proud Jew who is doing what he can to help the cause of a Jewish Israel which will be safe for all Jews to live in.
I don't give in to these NWO conspiracy theories. I do worry that some have visions of a single world government and this, according to our holy book the Torah, is something which will not bring world peace but complete destruction of humanity. I am adamantly against any New World Order except for the one which G-d himself promised. I am not sure of your {or any readers} religious beliefs but the Jews have long held the belief that a Redeemer will come who will gather all Jews into Israel and bring an age of peace and prosperity to the world. All nations will be enamored with the model which Israel will set and come to realize the truth.
Having said this I hope you understand the religious Jews outlook on this issue. I don't like Obama the least, as a matter of fact I wish for this failure. But I do not fear him nor any Bilderburg commision. Many an evil plot has been discovered in history. I believe that things are way better than they were 500 years ago. We will survive the current evil administration and live to see its failure.
Thank you,
I can definitely agree with you that we shouldn't limit trade because our economy depends on it nowadays's. Unlike what Ron Paul believes which is probably having almost no trade where even though we would only consume products made in America though only produce products made in America. That in turn would have disastrous consequences.
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Mdub, the NWO is the radical left and Islam...I am suprised you do not see this.
Liberalism & Islam are NAZISM. Obama shares their same IDEAOLOGY!
The Left and Islam seek global domination, after they killed everyone off, they will start killing each other off.
i pretty much agree with the aboeve republicndox but remember...muslims are poor and dumb without these globalists...they are not the real threat.
They are the main threat, utilized/ enabled by the Left. You don't want to accept the FACT that they are nazis working together?
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Mdub, the NWO is the radical left and Islam...I am suprised you do not see this.
Liberalism & Islam are NAZISM. Obama shares their same IDEAOLOGY!
The Left and Islam seek global domination, after they killed everyone off, they will start killing each other off.
i pretty much agree with the aboeve republicndox but remember...muslims are poor and dumb without these globalists...they are not the real threat.
think republicdox. take away their oil (drilled and found by white people) take away the training of these terrorist groups like al queda (cia trained) and what kind of threat are they really to anyone
They are the main threat, utilized/ enabled by the Left. You don't want to accept the FACT that they are nazis working together?
they ARE nazis working together but you're wrong. the nwo are the head. the arab muslims are the tail. take away the globalist support (which ultimately comes from the centralized banking system here and in the u.k.) and watch the camel humpers go back to the dark ages....
follow the money...
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He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.
Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.
:::D
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Mdub, the NWO is the radical left and Islam...I am suprised you do not see this.
Liberalism & Islam are NAZISM. Obama shares their same IDEAOLOGY!
The Left and Islam seek global domination, after they killed everyone off, they will start killing each other off.
i pretty much agree with the aboeve republicndox but remember...muslims are poor and dumb without these globalists...they are not the real threat.
So the educated Saudi Billionaires are poor and dumb? Do you think Arafat was poor and dumb? Was Saddam poor and dumb? Who do you think pays & trains these Jhidasts in the first place? Next you might tell us 9/11 was an inside job.
Do answer.
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He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.
Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.
:::D
typical ignorant mockery from someone who hasn't done their research. anybody here have a brain?
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Mdub, the NWO is the radical left and Islam...I am suprised you do not see this.
Liberalism & Islam are NAZISM. Obama shares their same IDEAOLOGY!
The Left and Islam seek global domination, after they killed everyone off, they will start killing each other off.
i pretty much agree with the aboeve republicndox but remember...muslims are poor and dumb without these globalists...they are not the real threat.
So the educated Saudi Billionaires are poor and dumb? Do you think Arafat was poor and dumb? Was Saddam poor and dumb? Who do you think pays & trains these Jhidasts in the first place? Next you might tell us 9/11 was an inside job.
Do answer.
the saudi billioneres were quite poor and are quite dumb...until some rich folks on this end of the world decided to give them a monopoly on the oil there (do your research)
where would saddam have been without the help of the c.i.a. (do your research)
arafat was EXTREMELY dumb (look at all the land he rejected)...the elites in Israel are the ones who propped him up (do your research)
al queda was trained by the cia too.
starting to see a pattern? starting to see that the real enemy is a lot closer to home than you think?
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I think mdub has been watching the history channel too much recently. The problem is Islam, not this conspiracy garbage.
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I think mdub has been watching the history channel too much recently. The problem is Islam, not this conspiracy garbage.
yes. just close your mind and go back to sleep my child. you've found yoru truth an dyour sticking to it. good luck with that. let me know when you start THINKING and RESEARCHING and LEARNING for yourself.
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for all the doubeters who think this is "conspriacy talk"...just do some honest research who holds the prominent positions in washington right now...then look up if they are members of the cfr/trilateral commisions/bildeberg groups (the majorities of whom's meetings take place in priveate with foreign leaders not in any way subject to public scrutiny)and try to tell me these societies aren't powerful as all hell.
do it. research something for once in your life! report back to me!
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He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.
Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.
:::D
typical ignorant mockery from someone who hasn't done their research. anybody here have a brain?
I think it would be nice if you apologize to Briann, Briann is liked and respected here.
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The Arab countries are really rich mainly because other countries depend on them for oil, not because of some Bilderberg NWO conspiracy.
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The Arab countries are really rich mainly because other countries depend on them for oil, not because of some Bilderberg NWO conspiracy.
yeah but arabs couldn't drill or find oil if their life depnded on it...remember that.
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The Arab countries are really rich mainly because other countries depend on them for oil, not because of some Bilderberg NWO conspiracy.
yeah but arabs couldn't drill or find oil if their life depnded on it...remember that.
What I learned looking into these conspiracy theories is that there is a lot of antisemitism involved. I do not believe this stuff for a second. Its always the JOOOOOOS fault isn't it mdub? Are you one of those kinds of antisemites? If you are you have come to the wrong place...
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He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.
Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.
:::D
typical ignorant mockery from someone who hasn't done their research. anybody here have a brain?
I think it would be nice if you apologize to Briann, Briann is liked and respected here.
brian is like and respected here? i guess you like guys that mock stuff they dont know jack about. that doesn't get my respect.
just like other establishment types he likes to throw in fake conspriacies to muddy up the waters for the real stuff.. oldest trick in teh book.
Fail.
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He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.
Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.
:::D
typical ignorant mockery from someone who hasn't done their research. anybody here have a brain?
I think it would be nice if you apologize to Briann, Briann is liked and respected here.
brian is like and respected here? i guess you like guys that mock stuff they dont know jack about. that doesn't get my respect.
just like other establishment types he likes to throw in fake conspriacies to muddy up the waters for the real stuff.. oldest trick in teh book.
Fail.
So you are a troll? eh? We caught you...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati
Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name that refers to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1st, 1776. In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy power behind the throne, allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order. Confusing the issue further is the fact that there are also several modern fraternal groups which include the word "Illuminati" in their names.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/
antisemitic blood libel
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/khazar-empire-illuminati-and-new-world-order/
PS: I have Rothschild blood in my family... I guess Im in on the conspiracy :::D
http://www.sjgames.com/inwo/
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He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.
Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.
:::D
typical ignorant mockery from someone who hasn't done their research. anybody here have a brain?
I think it would be nice if you apologize to Briann, Briann is liked and respected here.
Yes I agree! You just signed up here mdub. You should see what our forum members are about before you start telling them what they should do. Have you been here on the forum before mdub your writing style seems familiar?
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This mdub is a troll.. Investigate this NWO conspiracy and discover it is a cover for very DEEP SEATED antisemitism. I think that mdub should express what he thinks about Jewish control of Israel... I would be interested to learn of this guys intention.
Read some of the vile comments @ http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/khazar-empire-illuminati-and-new-world-order/ and post some rebuttals to the obviously anti-Jewish sentiment expressed.
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He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.
Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.
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now THAT's a conspiracy theory. couldn't be i just have a different viewpoint, right? couldn't POSSIBLY be i kjnow some things about hte world that you don't. nah! he's a troll! now im branded for life with that title. for here on i'll be an "alleged troll"...bravo! great way to shut up someone you can't debate.
typical ignorant mockery from someone who hasn't done their research. anybody here have a brain?
I think it would be nice if you apologize to Briann, Briann is liked and respected here.
brian is like and respected here? i guess you like guys that mock stuff they dont know jack about. that doesn't get my respect.
just like other establishment types he likes to throw in fake conspriacies to muddy up the waters for the real stuff.. oldest trick in teh book.
Fail.
So you are a troll? eh? We caught you...
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He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.
Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.
:::D
typical ignorant mockery from someone who hasn't done their research. anybody here have a brain?
I think it would be nice if you apologize to Briann, Briann is liked and respected here.
brian is like and respected here? i guess you like guys that mock stuff they dont know jack about. that doesn't get my respect.
just like other establishment types he likes to throw in fake conspriacies to muddy up the waters for the real stuff.. oldest trick in teh book.
Fail.
So you are a troll? eh? We caught you...
:::D now that's a conspiracy theory!
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#46 @ http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/01/24/khazar-empire-illuminati-and-new-world-order/
Nice premise. Almost Correct.
The Khazars are not the NWO. The real NWO is British Royal Crown family who is from the tribe of Dan. The real Jews are actually Shepardic Egyptian Pharohs who then migrated to Macedonia, Germany, Scandinavia, then Britain ie the current royal family
The Khazars are scapegoats, They were almost wiped out by the real Jews, the British Crown, and Hitler. The fake Jews “Khazars” were then given Israel by plan to fulfill the end or times scenario for the NWO.
Its all a complicated mind control experiment to fullfill the end of times scenario in the bible. (which is pure BS only a guidebook to mindf**ck the human race)
If you want to look for the real Jewish people look for the Obelisks.
By the way 99% of the Jews are good people and are as innocent as the rest of us.
This should give many of you enough info to connect your own dots. Follow the Obelisks and follow the word “DAN”
We are living in a virtual prison and letting these people control you with their religions, jobs, money, taxes, tv, radio, wars, drugs, food, logos, magic, etc.
Jesus won’t save you. You need to save yourself and take personal responsibility.
Wake up - unplug yourself
Namaste
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Conspiracy theories and antisemitism go hand and hand.
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Conspiracy theories and antisemitism go hand and hand.
I agree Moshe, this new member has been making inferences laced with sarcasim..... pointing out everyone and everything except for Obama and the Muzzies. We all know Obama is tied to Islam and the left winged Nazis.
Shalom - Dox
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We haven't had a good conspiracy thread in months (Thank G-d). It might be fun to knock this one around a bit ;D
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cjd, I have noticed how he keeps trying to excuse Obama and the Muzzies, that would indicate he might be to the far left and is trying to blame the conservatives.
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I suspect these posts are from our 'mdub'... It seems he is far gone...
http://barnabasnagy.com/2008/10/17/pope-benedict-has-the-mark-from-luther-and-its-666/
well, revelations was written in hebrew, which isn’t english i might add. The hebrew alphabet corresponds directly with numbers. the “600 and 60 and 6″ (notice it never said “666″ or 600 + 60 + 6…[you do know the bible wasn't written in english right?]..in fact it’s three different numbers, 600, and 60, and 6) in fact points pretty easily, to the readers of John’s letters, to Ceasar Nero, who was doing some pretty horrific things to the Christians….did you just go ahead and not even consider the historical content of this?
PS: In Judaism 666 has no meaning... It is not the # of the beast as other religions claim.
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cjd, I have noticed how he keeps trying to excuse Obama and the Muzzies, that would indicate he might be to the far left and is trying to blame the conservatives.
Could be the case. They always come with phantom groups to move the focus away from the actual cause of the problem. I honestly don't believe the groups he talks about can function in today's world.
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Mdub, in case you haven't noticed, this is the JEWISH Task Force forum. We love America and Israel. Therefore we view radical Islam, and ALL their left wing supporters as the main threat to the West.
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Therefore we view radical Islam, and ALL their left wing supporters as the main threat to the West.
"Radical" Islam? I know you're not trying to imply that there is a "moderate" Islam, but I hate when people use that term. It's fundamentalist Islam that's the problem.
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Therefore we view radical Islam, and ALL their left wing supporters as the main threat to the West.
"Radical" Islam? I know you're not trying to imply that there is a "moderate" Islam, but I hate when people use that term. It's fundamentalist Islam that's the problem.
You're right. My bad.
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Here is my 'religious' answer to mdub. Since I believe with perfect faith in our Torah I also believe our sages and the Rabbis of our Holy Talmud. The wisdom of the Jewish people cannot be compared since some of the greatest of geniuses have written commentaries and investigated the depths of meaning of the words. Anyone familiar with the bible is familiar with the story of the Tower of Babel. In this story a people who believed they could unite the entire world and that technology will yield the answers to all the problems were taught a valuable lesson.
I find the following article very enlightening in the deeper meaning of this story. Remember that every evil plot which is against the nature of man will fail because the nature of man is in the image of the L-rd. And the even deeper meaning to me, whose brother perished in the second tallest building in America, is that when we reach for heaven we will get smacked back down because we have become arrogant. The L-rd promised us in the Torah that we can be like angels if we follow Torah, but we will lose everything when we think we are on top of the world.
Anyone involved in a conspiracy to take over the world will suffer the same fate as those who have tried before. I have faith that anyone who plots against the will of our Holy Father will not succeed. We just celebrated the Purim holiday where the evil character HAMAN {PFFFFFFFTTTHHH} plotted to destroy all Jews in the world. He was given permission to eradicate the Jews... In the end Haman was hanged on the very gallows he erected to hang the hero Mordechi {Bless him}.
Noach 5768 - Babel: A Story of Heaven and Earth
Set between the pre-history of humanity as a whole and the particular covenant with Abraham, the story of the Tower of Babel is one of the turning points of the biblical narrative, central to its vision of what can go wrong in civilizations and societies.
The story itself - told in a mere nine verses - is a compact masterpiece of literary and philosophical virtuosity. The first thing to note is that its historical background is exceptionally precise. The tower or ziggurat was the great symbol of the ancient Mesopotamian city states of the lower Tigris-Euphrates valley, the cradle of civilization. It was here that human beings first settled, established agriculture, and built cities. As the Torah makes clear with unusual attention to what seems like a peripheral fact, one of the great discoveries of Mesopotamia (along with the wheel, the arch and the calendar) was the ability to manufacture building materials, especially bricks made by pouring clay into moulds, drying it in the sun, and eventually firing it in kilns. This made possible the construction of buildings on a larger scale and reaching greater heights than hitherto. From this came the ziggurat, a stepped building of many stories, which came to have a profound religious significance.
Essentially these towers - of which the remains of at least thirty have been discovered - were man-made "holy mountains," the mountain being the place where heaven and earth most visibly met. Inscriptions on several of these buildings, decoded by archeologists, refer, as does the Torah, to the idea that their top "reaches heaven." The largest - the great ziggurat of Babylon to which the Torah refers - was a structure of seven stories, 300 feet high, on a base of roughly the same dimensions (further details can be found in Nahum Sarna, Understanding Genesis).
Not only is the story of Babel historically precise. It is also shot through with literary devices: inversions, word plays, ironies and puns. One of the most masterly is that the two key words, l-v-n, "brick," and n-v-l, "confuse," are precise inversions of one another. As so often in the Torah, literary technique is closely related to the moral or spiritual message the Torah wishes to convey. In this case it is the phenomenon of inversion itself. The results of human behaviour are often the opposite of what was intended. The builders wanted to concentrate humanity in one place ("Let us build a city . . . and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth"). The result was that they were dispersed ("from there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth"). They wanted to "make a name" for themselves, and they did, but the name they made - Babel - became an eternal symbol of confusion.
Their pride lay in their newfound technological ability to construct buildings of unprecedented grandeur. They did not realise (the message signalled in the opening verses of the Torah) that the greatest creative power is language ("And G-d said . . . and there was"). It was not a technical problem that caused them to abandon the project but the loss of the ability to communicate. What is holy for the Torah is not power but the use to which we put it, and this is intrinsically linked to language - the medium in which we frame our ideals, construct imaginative possibilities, and call others to join us in realising them. The word is prior to the work.
WHAT, though, was the builder's sin? The narrative signals this, again, by a series of verbal cues. The first is the phrase with which the episode both begins and ends, kol ha-aretz, "the whole earth." It begins, "And the whole earth was of one language," and ends, "from there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth." (The phrase kol ha-aretz appears five times in the nine verses: all three-, five- and especially seven-fold repetitions in a biblical passage signal the presence of a key theme). A framing device of this kind is highly significant.
The second is the phoneme (a basic unit of sound) sh-m, either as sham, "there," or shem, "name." This appears seven times in the passage. It is clearly linked to the word shamayim, "heaven" - the place the builders attempted to reach in building the tower. The thematic elements of the narrative are thus clear. This is a story about heaven and earth - but in what way? To understand the point at issue we must return to the opening chapter of Bereishith and its description of creation.
Two words in that account are decisive. The first is tov, "good," which appears seven times. G-d says, "Let there be," there is, and G-d sees "that it is good." Creation in Bereishith 1 is not primarily about the power of G-d but about the goodness of G-d and the universe He made. In historical context, this is an extraordinary statement. For the most part, the ancients saw the world as a dangerous and threatening place, full of dangers, disasters, famines and floods. There was no overarching meaning to any of this. It was the result of clashing powers, personified as conflicts between the G-ds. Religion was either an attempt to assert human power over the elements through magic and myth, or a mystical escape from the world into a private nirvana of the soul.
Against this, Judaism made the astonishing assertion that the world is good. It is intelligible. It is the result not of blind collisions and random mutations but of a single creative will. This alone is enough to set Judaism apart as the most hopeful of the world's faiths.
There is however another key word, the root b-d-l, "to separate, distinguish, divide." This appears five times in Bereishith 1. The goodness of the universe is itself a matter of order, boundaries and distinctions. G-d separates the different domains (day 1, light and dark; day 2, upper and lower waters; day 3, land and sea) and fills each with its appropriate objects or life-forms (day 4, sun and moon; day 5, birds and fish; day 6, land animals and mankind). So important was this idea to Judaism that we have a special ceremony, havdalah, to mark the end of Shabbat and the beginning of each cycle of "the six days of creation." Like G-d, we begin creation by havdalah: making, noting and consecrating distinctions.
This too is fundamental to the Judaic world view. Goodness is order; evil is disorder, an act or person or entity in the wrong place. The word chet, sin, comes from a verb meaning "to miss the target." The word averah, like its English equivalent "transgression," means to stray across a border, to enter forbidden territory. Many of the chukkim or "statutes" of Judaism are about inculcating respect for the inherent orderliness of the universe - and thus not mixing milk (life) and meat (death), wool (an animal product) and linen (a vegetable product) or sowing a field with "mixed kinds" of seed.
Creation itself is seen as the slow emergence of order from chaos. This, as the physicist Gerald Schroeder points out (in Genesis and the Big Bang) is implicit in the Hebrew words erev and boker, "And it was evening (erev) and it was morning (boker)." Erev in Hebrew means an undifferentiated mixture of elements. Boker comes from a root meaning "to reflect, contemplate, seek clarity." Much recent work in physics, biology and cosmology has converged on the discovery that the birth of stars, planets and life itself is a matter of the slow emergence of ever more complex systems of order swimming, as it were, against the tide of entropy.
An ordered universe is a peaceable universe in which every form of being, inanimate, animate and human, has its proper place. Violence, injustice and conflict are forms of disorder - a failure to respect the integrity of each life-form or (in the case of humanity, where "every life is like a universe") each person. That was the state of the universe before the Flood, when "all flesh had corrupted its way on earth."
This was not an abstract idea. The world of myth, against which Judaism is a sustained protest, was one in which boundaries were not observed. There were human beings who were like G-ds and G-ds who were like human beings. There were strange mythological hybrids - like the sphinx, half human, half animal. Religious ecstasy was often accompanied by a ceremonial breaking of boundaries in various ways. To the Judaic mind this is paganism, and it is never morally neutral. G-d creates order; man creates chaos; and the result is inevitably destructive.
The most fundamental boundary is stated in the Torah's first sentence - that between "heaven" and "earth." Never before or since (except among religions or cultures influenced by Judaism) has G-d been conceived in so radically transcendent a way. G-d is not to be identified with anything on earth. "The heavens are the heavens of the Lord," says the Psalmist, "but the earth He has given to man." This ontological divide is fundamental. G-d is G-d; humanity is humanity. There can be no blurring of the boundaries.
That was the sin of the builders of the tower. Their aspiration (to "reach heaven") was laughable, and indeed the Torah makes a joke of it. They think that their construction - three hundred feet high - has reached heaven, whereas G-d has to "come down" to look at it (in general, the one thing that makes G-d laugh in the Torah is the pretensions of human beings when they think of themselves as like the G-ds). However it was worse than laughable. The Netziv (R. Naftali Zvi Yehudah Berlin, 1817-1893), writing in Czarist Russia and prophetically foreseeing the worst excesses of communism, sees Babel as the world's first totalitarianism, in which to preserve the masses as a single entity, all freedom of expression is suppressed (that, for him, is the meaning of "the whole world had one language and a unified speech"). Intoxicated by their technological prowess, the builders of Babel believe they had become like G-ds and could now construct their own cosmopolis, their man-made miniature universe. Not content with earth, they wanted to build an abode in heaven. It is a mistake many civilizations have made, and the result is catastrophe.
In modern times, the re-enactment of Babel is most clearly associated with the name of Nietzsche (1844-1890). For the last ten years of his life, he was clinically insane, but shortly before his final breakdown he had a nightmare vision which has become justly famous:
Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly, "I seek G-d! I seek G-d!" . . . "Whither is G-d? he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. All of us are his murderers . . . G-d is dead. G-d remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, the murderers of all murderers, comfort ourselves? What was holiest and most powerful of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? . . . Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become G-ds simply to seem worthy of it?"
As George Steiner pointed out (in his In Bluebeard's Castle) there was less than three-quarters of a century between Nietzsche and the Holocaust, between his vision of the murder of G-d and the deliberate, systematic attempt to murder the "people of G-d" (Hitler called conscience "a Jewish invention").
When human beings try to become more than human, they quickly become less than human. As Lord Acton pointed out, even the great city-state of Athens which produced Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, self-destructed when "the possession of unlimited power, which corrodes the conscience, hardens the heart, and confounds the understanding of monarchs, exercised its demoralising influence." What went wrong in Athens, he writes, was the belief that "there is no law superior to that of the State - the lawgiver is above the law."
Only when G-d is G-d can man be man. That means keeping heaven and earth distinct, organising the latter only under the conscious sovereignty of the former. Without this there is little to prevent human beings from sacrificing the many for the sake of the few, or the few for the sake of the many. Only a respect for the integrity of creation stops human beings destroying themselves. Humility in the presence of Divine order is our last, best safeguard against mankind arrogating to itself power without restraint, might without right. Babel was the first civilization, but sadly not the last, to begin with a dream of utopia and end in a nightmare of hell. A world of tov, good, is a world of havdalah, boundaries and limits. Those who cross those boundaries and transgress these limits make a name for themselves, but the name they make is Babel, meaning chaos, confusion and the loss of that order which is a precondition of both nature (the world G-d creates) and culture (the world we create).
I dont fear Illuminati, nor NWO, or Bilderberg, or Obama, or you. I walk in faith and have been blessed in many ways. I pray that all will reflect on this message.
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He is actually part of a conspiracy involving far more groups.
Its the federal reserve, the Bilderberg group. The RothSchilds, The Luminarios, The Skull and Bones, The Masons, The Raelians, The Scientologists, Haliburton, and the Cigarette smoking Guy on the X-files.
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typical ignorant mockery from someone who hasn't done their research. anybody here have a brain?
I guarantee you that Briann has read ten times as much as you regarding the world economy. There are world economic interests of multi national corporations, movements, world leaders and I'm sure there have been public treaties, meetings, organizations and private ones that we have never hear about. Your points have to be grounded in reality and when you start mocking people that they haven't read some book by some mad man, you are just actually insulting yourself. It's one thing to point people in a specific direction of a potential conspiracy but when you say that everything from the Muslim world to Sesame street are controlled by one large organization, you can't be taken seriously. Give us specific examples and don't say "do your research" when I'm sure there are plenty of subjects that you are an ignoramus on.
People who believe that one group or organization has controlled the world absolutely, just prefer an easy explanation to the world, rather than reading extensively on different subjects. There may well be a NWO conspiracy to knock down national sovereignty to Israel, the United States and other nations. If someone were to say that the Taliban, for instance, is controlled by Wall Street, it shows a lack of understanding of humanity's constant bickering condition and the vast differences among people.