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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: D2I on April 28, 2009, 09:33:02 PM
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I do find gates of vienna , jihadwatch and every "anti-islam" site out there to be too moderate , jtf is the hardest i've found but
my viewpoint is that the only way to save the world from islam is well.... the extermination of all muslims , are there any such sites out there?
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Why would an atheist even care? It is not my goal to exterminate anyone... I want to live in peace and in order to make peace the Muslims must be removed from Israel. I don't care if they go to the moon or to hell...
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Why would an atheist even care? It is not my goal to exterminate anyone... I want to live in peace and in order to make peace the Muslims must be removed from Israel. I don't care if they go to the moon or to hell...
Why?
Because it's the death of all humanity or death of islam
I would like peace with muslims but you know as damn well as i do that will never happend and this can only end in 2 ways.
We all die or they die.
I love europe and westren culture and i do not want it to be changed into a barbarbic system created by a pedophiliac social path
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This site is for people who want Israel to be for Jews.
It is wrong to seek other peoples destruction, you are as bad as the terrorists themselves. The Jewish way is to be a light unto the nations, and through our example the world will see how to live in harmony with Hashem, the L-rd. But you claim you are atheist, and as such you know nothing of Hashem. In my eyes an atheist is as bad, or worse, than Islam. But JTF is open to all kinds...
PS: why does any non-Jew care about whether Jews are in Israel and they don't believe in the word of Hashem, that he willed the Holy Land to the Jewish people? I just don't understand that one... Why shouldn't it be Muslim, or Christian land? It is only because Israel was given to the Jews as a heritage that Israel should be the Jewish homeland.
I don't consider JTF to be a hate site... If it were, I would not be here...
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JTF is a law abiding organization. We don't advocate genocide against group of people. We believe that all terrorists must be killed, and that Israel needs to get rid of her fifth column Arab population, and that land for peace is ridiculous. We also believe that America needs to stop Muslim immigration and jail/deport anyone involved in terror activities.
But most importantly, there is no need to kill every single Muslim. Besides being a law abiding humanitarian organization, we believe it would be more efficient to find another alternative to oil so the rogue Middle Eastern terror states cannot use it as a weapon against the West. So let the Muslims stay in their own countries and eat their oil.
After all, we're giving them what they say they want. We'll be out of their countries, and they won't be able to complain about the evil influence of the decadent West.
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The Muslims should just be forced to live in Muslim countries. We don't need to kill all of them.
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I do want Israel to be for jews and thats why i want muslims out of this world, if Israel does not remove muslims with force out of israel Israel is doomed.
I see Israel as an ally and the jewish race as a great contributers to humanity, the muslims will finish what hitler started if they arnt stopped, Im so sad that we europians killed millions of you and what we got instead of the jews are these medevil creatures , poetic justice maby?
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JTF is a law abiding organization. We don't advocate genocide against. We believe that all terrorists must be killed, and that Israel needs to get rid of her fifth column Arab population. We also believe that America needs to stop Muslim immigration and jail/deport anyone involved in terror activities.
But most importantly, there is no need to kill every single Muslim. Besides being a law abiding humanitarian organization, we believe it would be more efficient to find another alternative to oil so the rogue Middle Eastern terror states cannot use it as a weapon against the West.
I know that jtf is a lawful orginaztion thats why im asking about sites that want go the step further which is the viewpoint that i have
I mean the muslims and the neonazis have sites that advocate genocide and they are left alone? Why cannot there be one for people with viewpoints like that against muslims?
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I do want Israel to be for jews and thats why i want muslims out of this world, if Israel does not remove muslims with force out of israel Israel is doomed.
I see Israel as an ally and the jewish race as a great contributers to humanity, the muslims will finish what hitler started if they arnt stopped, Im so sad that we europians killed millions of you and what we got were this medevil creatures , poetic justice maby
I think you have good goals but extermination is a harsh word. When the end of days comes and the war is between the forces of good {the Jewish people} and evil {the other nations} we will be able to destroy all the evil in the world. This will certainly happen because it is Hashems will that the world be redeemed.
Put your energy in doing good, speaking truth to evil, and giving charity to those in need. The power of Good, the light, is always stronger than the dearth of power, the darkness. I have found in my 40 years that having faith gives strength, and G-d strengthens those who strengthen themselves.
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Look Atheist, if you're thinking of going on a killing spree, JTF is not the place for you.
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Im not going on any killing spree, im looking for a forum or a website that would be considered more "extreme" then jtf ,gates of vienna or jihadwatch.
But what i see is europe bowing down for muslims,muslims taking over country after country and Israel going softball against terroism and even talking about "two state soulution". I dont see any light or hope in this age
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Defeating Islam will be the bloodiest war in the history of mankind.
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Im not going on any killing spree, im looking for a forum or a website that would be considered more "extreme" then jtf ,gates of vienna or jihadwatch.
But what i see is europe bowing down for muslims,muslims taking over country after country and Israel going softball against terroism and even talking about "two state soulution". I dont see any light or hope in this age
Our times are very interesting, but in no way as difficult or painful as the last century has been for the Jewish people. We have seen crusades, inquisitions, pogroms, holocausts, and general anti-semitism. I am so happy that in my lifetime I have had the opportunity to raise myself up, above the level of my forefathers, and to see an era of general goodness for the Jewish people.
But we have also seen much evil. My brother was a victim of 9/11 because he worked on the 105th floor of WTC tower #1 for Cantor Fitzgerald and I have much anger at the Muslim world. But I also work with many Muslims at my multinational corporation and I get along with those I have to work with. I do not harbor hatred in my heart, nor in my head. I have learned the wisdom of the Sages and am able to stand up for what I believe. I am a very obvious religious Jew because I wear my tzittzits {fringes} and Kippah to work. I have gotten nothing but support from all whom I work with... I cannot join in hating all Muslims because I know that it is possible to work with them. But I will see the destruction of all Muslims who seek to destroy the Jewish people. I have heard their doom...
I wish you luck in finding a site which has the appropriate level of hatred for you...
PS: There are members here who do harbor much more hatred of Muslims than I do. Of course I do not speak for every JTF member.
Tehillim 92
1. A psalm, a song for the Shabbat day. 2. It is good to praise the Lord, and to sing to Your Name, O Most High; 3. to proclaim Your kindness in the morning, and Your faithfulness in the nights, 4. with a ten-stringed instrument and lyre, to the melody of a harp. 5. For You, Lord, have gladdened me with Your deeds; I sing for joy at the works of Your hand. 6. How great are Your works, O Lord; how very profound Your thoughts! 7. A brutish man cannot know, a fool cannot comprehend this: 8. When the wicked thrive like grass, and all evildoers flourish-it is in order that they may be destroyed forever. 9. But You, Lord, are exalted forever. 10. Indeed, Your enemies, O Lord, indeed Your enemies shall perish; all evildoers shall be scattered. 11. But You have increased my might like that of a wild ox; I am anointed with fresh oil. 12. My eyes have seen [the downfall of] my watchful enemies; my ears have heard [the doom of] the wicked who rise against me. 13. The righteous will flourish like a palm tree, grow tall like a cedar in Lebanon. 14. Planted in the House of the Lord, they shall blossom in the courtyards of our G-d. 15. They shall be fruitful even in old age; they shall be full of sap and freshness- 16. to declare that the Lord is just; He is my Strength, and there is no injustice in Him.
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Im not jewish but i stumbled upon Kahane on wikipedia some timeago and started watching speeches on youtube after him and was fascinated and i agree with the kach movement 100%
Kahane was Israel best hope but the jews themself stabbed him in the back and banned his political party
im not a atheist anymore though, i was during the time when i signed up,
It's like theres a demonic force driving Islam and Islam is so evil i dont thing it was created by humans.
Islam is satanism i thing
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Im not jewish but i stumbled upon Kahane on wikipedia some timeago and started watching speeches on youtube after him and was fascinated and i agree with the kach movement 100%
Kahane was Israel best hope but the jews themself stabbed him in the back and banned his political party
im not a atheist anymore though, i was during the time when i signed up,
It's like theres a demonic force driving Islam and Islam is so evil i dont thing it was created by humans.
Islam is satanism i thing
Good, it is good to be on the right side of this eternal battle between the forces of evil which Hashem created and the forces of Good which he wishes for his people. I hope that you grow strong like a cedar of Lebanon so that you can crush the enemy when he comes for you. Rabbi Kahane was a blessing for the Jewish people and he was taken before his time. We can only mourn his loss and seek retribution for his spilled blood.
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This site is for people who want Israel to be for Jews.
PS: why does any non-Jew care about whether Jews are in Israel and they don't believe in the word of Hashem, that he willed the Holy Land to the Jewish people? I just don't understand that one... Why shouldn't it be Muslim, or Christian land? It is only because Israel was given to the Jews as a heritage that Israel should be the Jewish homeland.
I dont know why i care but i just feel that Israel does belong to the jews.
after ww2 israel was a land with no infrastructure or resources , you created a powerful nation with a great culture from almost nothing and seeing it being destroyed by barbaric Muslims is painful to watch.
I view Israel jews and jewish culture as a part of the westren judeo-christian culture and seeing everything falling apart drives me mad
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You are correct we are in the last times, you only need to look at muslim demographics to see that , im young(21) so i will witness the fall of Europe to Muslims and maby the final battle that will take place.
I will rather die then convert to islam , no pain on earth can come close to the pain of selling your soul to satan
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I do find gates of vienna , jihadwatch and every "anti-islam" site out there to be too moderate , jtf is the hardest i've found but
my viewpoint is that the only way to save the world from islam is well.... the extermination of all muslims , are there any such sites out there?
I like Jihadwatch and thereligionofpeace.com
I think the extermination of the IDEOLOGY of Islam is what most of us promote. However.. there are some that believe mass-murder is the only option.... but they are in the minority.
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I would like to see Islam vanish from the Earth, but that does not mean a whole bunch of dead muslims. I want to get rid of the religion, the ideology, the political system of islam. That can be done without having to kill anyone.
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Here are some I read and look at....
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/
http://khalas.wordpress.com/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.truthtube.tv/
http://www.amilimani.com/index.php
http://www.islam-watch.org/index.html
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/islam/index.htm
http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser/
http://www.pmw.org.il/
http://americaslaststand.angelfire.com/
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/
http://www.shoebat.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=fbea266fe270b03819dc19a192a882b7
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/03/obama_is_a_fasc.php
http://themadjewess.wordpress.com/
http://sheikyermami.com/
http://compassdirect.org/en/display.php
http://www.muhammadtube.com/
http://www.investigateislam.com/english/
http://www.youtube.com/user/NoLegButAllah
I hope that is OK that I put all those links here. A few are actually Islamic sites but they (Muslims) are so ignorant they don't even realize that I am fishing for info. One is a Quran browser, it is fun to search for crazy words and read the lunatic ramblings on there.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Thats a good point. People who think Jews are a 'Race' usually are Nazis
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Im not jewish but i stumbled upon Kahane on wikipedia some timeago and started watching speeches on youtube after him and was fascinated and i agree with the kach movement 100%
Kahane was Israel best hope but the jews themself stabbed him in the back and banned his political party
im not a atheist anymore though, i was during the time when i signed up,
It's like theres a demonic force driving Islam and Islam is so evil i dont thing it was created by humans.
Islam is satanism i thing
Good, it is good to be on the right side of this eternal battle between the forces of evil which Hashem created and the forces of Good which he wishes for his people. I hope that you grow strong like a cedar of Lebanon so that you can crush the enemy when he comes for you. Rabbi Kahane was a blessing for the Jewish people and he was taken before his time. We can only mourn his loss and seek retribution for his spilled blood.
I hope you will understand what the Jewish religion believes concerning the Yetzer Hara. We don't believe in Satan as you understand him. Jews believe that Hashem, our G-d, is master of the entire creation and no creation which he made is capable of changing his plans for humanity. The word Satan in hebrew means the Prosecutor, as in a court case, because he is the one who lists all your sins before the Holy Tribunal on judgement day. Satan does not have the ability to do anything which Hashem does not deem acceptable. As a result there is a great difference between Christian theology concerning Satan {or the devil} and Jewish belief. Satan is only here to provide us a challenge to overcome and earn our reward in the world to come. The key to advancing in this world is learning how to organize and separate the forces in this world, separate the good and the bad, the pure and the impure, the light and the dark, just as Hashem did during the six days of creation.
I don't intend on changing your theology, but I like to remind our Jewish members that we don't have this concept of a Master of Evil who is fighting against Hashem. Hashem provides every human with free will to choose the good, or the blessing, or the curse and death. Those who choose Islam choose death because death is something Muslims look forward to, it is more desirable than life. Judaism on the other hand places all the importance on doing the right thing in this life. And this is the vital question every human must ask himself. Does he want to work for the forces of good, or join the Sitra Achra {forces of evil} and lose his reward in the world to come.
Thank you...
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Thats a good point. People who think Jews are a 'Race' usually are Nazis
We do consider the Jewish people to be a nation. It is not a race in a genetic sense but it is an identity. There obviously are racial differences between Mizrachi, Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Chassidic Jews. I fall into the Chassidic Jew category myself.
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com hits almost as hard as JTF if not more. They list every single Muslim attack since 9/11. I think they hit harder because of the fact they provide.
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com hits almost as hard as JTF if not more. They list every single Muslim attack since 9/11. I think they hit harder because of the fact they provide.
Yes, an exceptional website.
By the way... notice something????
A site like StørmFrønt... or RadioIslam uses nonsence, fiction, and made-up conspiracies to support their antisemitic ideology whereas thereligionofpeace.com which most of us consider to be the MOST anti-Islam website only states facts and statistics about Islam.
There are no made-up stories about Islamic conspiracies... or Islamic secret societies that dont exist or anything else... its just FACTS.... and yet its considered to be an extremely hateful and offensive site.
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com hits almost as hard as JTF if not more. They list every single Muslim attack since 9/11. I think they hit harder because of the fact they provide.
Yes, this is a good website. I found out about it several years ago. It is so detailed however that I don't go there too often. It gets to me after a while.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
I didn't even notice. I pretty much let my guard down while on this site. But now that you mention it, and I don't know this poster's intentions so I am not implicating him / her, I would think this site would be a prime target for morons to post whacked out things and then claim "they are crazy and promoting hatred and violence" and cite the posts that they themselves have posted under a different name. Any number of tricks could be used to try and discredit the great people here. I will try to be more alert to creeps that do things like that.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Think you might be on to something here, I was thinking the same thing. Also, he says he is an athiest, uses it in his screen name, than says he was atheist when he first came here but now has changed? 20 posts with at least half just on this thread and now he is no longer an atheist, so I guess he converted to ??? in what, about 30 minutes? Could be wrong here but something just does not seem right.
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My last post here, where the icon is I thought I was putting question marks in, must have accidentally hit a wrong key, just so nothing gets misinterpreted.
Yes, religion of peace is a great site. Craig Winn who runs the site has a great book, Tea with Terrorists, it is a novel but he has a great way of inserting a lot of useful teaching about the truths of islam into the story.
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im not a atheist anymore though, i was during the time when i signed up,
Date registered, April 29, todays date, April 29.
Something is rotten in Denmark as they say.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Think you might be on to something here, I was thinking the same thing. Also, he says he is an athiest, uses it in his screen name, than says he was atheist when he first came here but now has changed? 20 posts with at least half just on this thread and now he is no longer an atheist, so I guess he converted to ??? in what, about 30 minutes? Could be wrong here but something just does not seem right.
Wow... we should do missionary work. We converted someone in 20 posts!!!!
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Thats a good point. People who think Jews are a 'Race' usually are Nazis
Im not a rat and im NOT A nazi, hitler annihilated europe and came close to killing westren culture, no person has done more damage to europe then Hitler in moden history
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Wow... we should do missionary work. We converted someone in 20 posts!!!!
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Wish it were that easy, our world could be muslim free in 48 to 72 hours, and with no genocides.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Think you might be on to something here, I was thinking the same thing. Also, he says he is an athiest, uses it in his screen name, than says he was atheist when he first came here but now has changed? 20 posts with at least half just on this thread and now he is no longer an atheist, so I guess he converted to ??? in what, about 30 minutes? Could be wrong here but something just does not seem right.
Say what you want I did not re-convert to christanity in just 30 minutes i singed up some time ago and alot has changed in my life and viewpoints since then
Date Registered: April 29, 2008, 08:21:19 AM
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Its 2009 now
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Thats a good point. People who think Jews are a 'Race' usually are Nazis
Im not a rat and im NOT A nazi, hitler annihilated europe and came close to killing westren culture, no person has done more damage to europe then Hitler in moden history
OK, but are you an atheist? I'm not saying you arent welcome if you are... (We have other athiests here).... I just need clarity on this.
Also... in a perfect world.... which would you prefer?
1) Islam and the Koran to be banned and all Muslims to be re-educated
2) mass-murder of all Muslims
Also... after WWII ended, do you think the U.S. shoulda have just killed off all the Germans in WWII who were brainwashed by Nazism.. or do you think that it was better to try and De-Nazify them?
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It takes about 6 seconds to change your screenname, Atheist.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Think you might be on to something here, I was thinking the same thing. Also, he says he is an athiest, uses it in his screen name, than says he was atheist when he first came here but now has changed? 20 posts with at least half just on this thread and now he is no longer an atheist, so I guess he converted to ??? in what, about 30 minutes? Could be wrong here but something just does not seem right.
Say what you want I did not re-convert to christanity in just 30 minutes i singed up some time ago and alot has changed in my life and viewpoints since then
Date Registered: April 29, 2008, 08:21:19 AM
Please accept my apologies.
Though it does look suspicious when someone with only a couple of posts(I have only 200 something and I am even less than a part timer) comes on and starts talking genocide right away and has atheist in his screen name but then says he is not an atheist, some antennas go up, hope you can understand that. Do what you want, but if you are not an atheist I recommend you change your screen name, and if you are an atheist, then so be it, you have the freedom to think.
Now, to the genocide, I agree with what some here have said, I would like to eliminate the ideology of islam, though I am still not sure just how to do that without eliminating the ideolouges. How?, that's the $64,000 question.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Thats a good point. People who think Jews are a 'Race' usually are Nazis
We do consider the Jewish people to be a nation. It is not a race in a genetic sense but it is an identity. There obviously are racial differences between Mizrachi, Ashkenazi, Sefaradi, and Chassidic Jews. I fall into the Chassidic Jew category myself.
What do you mean by racial differences between chassidic Jews and non-chassidic Jews? A non-chassidic Jew can become chassidic.
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It is wrong to seek other peoples destruction, you are as bad as the terrorists themselves.
That is a ridiculous statement.
When someone wants to kill you and drag the world into a nightmare, you are morally required to do away with them.
Moral relativism has no place here.
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It is wrong to seek other peoples destruction, you are as bad as the terrorists themselves.
That is a ridiculous statement.
When someone wants to kill you and drag the world into a nightmare, you are morally required to do away with them.
Moral relativism has no place here.
This is not moral relativism at all... I did not say it is wrong to defend yourself or eliminate the threat but it is wrong to seek other peoples destruction. Torah does not instruct the Jewish people to destroy anyone, except for the sworn enemy of the Jewish people. Torah contains much wisdom which explains how to treat other people and nowhere is it written to exterminate them. I don't believe all who are born into Islam are trying to kill me, or my people. I know that many do and I support all who are fighting against this threat.
I will never call for mass extermination of any people unless it has been shown that they are irredeemable. Just as another poster said... Would you call for extermination of all Germans because of the deeds of Hitler? I surely would not... If you would like to seperate yourself from the wisdom of Torah and instead concentrate on hatred that is your decision, but I will not be dragged down by your yetzer hara.
I will rebuke all who call for mass extermination of any people. How can one here expect others to be sympathetic to their causes if one is not sympathetic to all humanity?
Calling this moral relativism is pure evil.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Thats a good point. People who think Jews are a 'Race' usually are Nazis
We do consider the Jewish people to be a nation. It is not a race in a genetic sense but it is an identity. There obviously are racial differences between Mizrachi, Ashkenazi, Sefaradi, and Chassidic Jews. I fall into the Chassidic Jew category myself.
What do you mean by racial differences between chassidic Jews and non-chassidic Jews? A non-chassidic Jew can become chassidic.
Chassidic has come to mean a branch of Judaism yet it originated in Ukraine and Russia. Most Jews of Russian/Ukrainian origin are Chassidic Jews who often are categorized as Ashkenazi Jews. I don't know specific racial differences but to me there is a difference between Chassidic and general Ashkenazi Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic
Hasidic Judaism (also transliterated as Chasidic etc., from the Hebrew: חסידות , Hasidut, meaning "piety", from the Hebrew root word חסד chesed meaning "loving kindness") is a type of Orthodox or Haredi Jewish religious movement. Some refer to Hasidic Judaism as Hasidism, and the adjective Chasidic / Hasidic (or in Yiddish חסידיש Khasidish) applies. The movement originated in Eastern Europe (what is now the Ukraine) in the 18th century, and soon spread from Poland and Russia, to Hungary and Romania. As compared with other Jewish movements, Hasidic Judaism tends to focus on the role of the Rebbe as a spiritual conduit of God. Hasidic followers join worship groups associated with dynasties of Hasidic spiritual leaders. Each dynasty follows its own principles; thus Hasidic Judaism is not one movement, but a collection of separate individual groups with some commonality. There are some 9 major Hasidic groups, approximately 30 smaller Hasidic groups, and several hundred minor or extinct Hasidic groups. Though there is no one version of Hasidism, individual Hasidic groups often share with each other fundamental philosophy, worship styles, dress, songs, etc.
Rabbi Israel ben Eliezer (1698–1760), also known as the Ba'al Shem Tov [1], is seen as the founding figure of Hasidic Judaism. It originated in an age of persecution of the Jewish people, when European Jews had turned inward to Talmud study; many felt that most expressions of Jewish life had become too "academic" and that they no longer had any emphasis on spirituality or joy. The Ba'al Shem Tov set out to improve the situation. Hasidism met with opposition from the misnagdim—literally meaning "the opponents." In its initial stages, the most notable opponent was the Vilna Gaon, leader of the Lithuanian Jews, who generally adopted this hostile approach.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Thats a good point. People who think Jews are a 'Race' usually are Nazis
We do consider the Jewish people to be a nation. It is not a race in a genetic sense but it is an identity. There obviously are racial differences between Mizrachi, Ashkenazi, Sefaradi, and Chassidic Jews. I fall into the Chassidic Jew category myself.
What do you mean by racial differences between chassidic Jews and non-chassidic Jews? A non-chassidic Jew can become chassidic.
Chassidic has come to mean a branch of Judaism yet it originated in Ukraine and Russia. Most Jews of Russian/Ukrainian origin are Chassidic Jews who often are categorized as Ashkenazi Jews. I don't know specific racial differences but to me there is a difference between Chassidic and general Ashkenazi Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic
Hasidic Judaism (also transliterated as Chasidic etc., from the Hebrew: חסידות , Hasidut, meaning "piety", from the Hebrew root word חסד chesed meaning "loving kindness") is a type of Orthodox or Haredi Jewish religious movement. Some refer to Hasidic Judaism as Hasidism, and the adjective Chasidic / Hasidic (or in Yiddish חסידיש Khasidish) applies. The movement originated in Eastern Europe (what is now the Ukraine) in the 18th century, and soon spread from Poland and Russia, to Hungary and Romania. As compared with other Jewish movements, Hasidic Judaism tends to focus on the role of the Rebbe as a spiritual conduit of G-d. Hasidic followers join worship groups associated with dynasties of Hasidic spiritual leaders. Each dynasty follows its own principles; thus Hasidic Judaism is not one movement, but a collection of separate individual groups with some commonality. There are some 9 major Hasidic groups, approximately 30 smaller Hasidic groups, and several hundred minor or extinct Hasidic groups. Though there is no one version of Hasidism, individual Hasidic groups often share with each other fundamental philosophy, worship styles, dress, songs, etc.
Rabbi Israel ben Eliezer (1698–1760), also known as the Ba'al Shem Tov [1], is seen as the founding figure of Hasidic Judaism. It originated in an age of persecution of the Jewish people, when European Jews had turned inward to Talmud study; many felt that most expressions of Jewish life had become too "academic" and that they no longer had any emphasis on spirituality or joy. The Ba'al Shem Tov set out to improve the situation. Hasidism met with opposition from the misnagdim—literally meaning "the opponents." In its initial stages, the most notable opponent was the Vilna Gaon, leader of the Lithuanian Jews, who generally adopted this hostile approach.
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I don't think Judaism should ever devolve into a racial category. Fine, there are Jews from different parts of the world.... nothing new with that... but saying that Jews are a race.... is Hitlerian nonsence.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Thats a good point. People who think Jews are a 'Race' usually are Nazis
We do consider the Jewish people to be a nation. It is not a race in a genetic sense but it is an identity. There obviously are racial differences between Mizrachi, Ashkenazi, Sefaradi, and Chassidic Jews. I fall into the Chassidic Jew category myself.
What do you mean by racial differences between chassidic Jews and non-chassidic Jews? A non-chassidic Jew can become chassidic.
Chassidic has come to mean a branch of Judaism yet it originated in Ukraine and Russia. Most Jews of Russian/Ukrainian origin are Chassidic Jews who often are categorized as Ashkenazi Jews. I don't know specific racial differences but to me there is a difference between Chassidic and general Ashkenazi Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic
Hasidic Judaism (also transliterated as Chasidic etc., from the Hebrew: חסידות , Hasidut, meaning "piety", from the Hebrew root word חסד chesed meaning "loving kindness") is a type of Orthodox or Haredi Jewish religious movement. Some refer to Hasidic Judaism as Hasidism, and the adjective Chasidic / Hasidic (or in Yiddish חסידיש Khasidish) applies. The movement originated in Eastern Europe (what is now the Ukraine) in the 18th century, and soon spread from Poland and Russia, to Hungary and Romania. As compared with other Jewish movements, Hasidic Judaism tends to focus on the role of the Rebbe as a spiritual conduit of G-d. Hasidic followers join worship groups associated with dynasties of Hasidic spiritual leaders. Each dynasty follows its own principles; thus Hasidic Judaism is not one movement, but a collection of separate individual groups with some commonality. There are some 9 major Hasidic groups, approximately 30 smaller Hasidic groups, and several hundred minor or extinct Hasidic groups. Though there is no one version of Hasidism, individual Hasidic groups often share with each other fundamental philosophy, worship styles, dress, songs, etc.
Rabbi Israel ben Eliezer (1698–1760), also known as the Ba'al Shem Tov [1], is seen as the founding figure of Hasidic Judaism. It originated in an age of persecution of the Jewish people, when European Jews had turned inward to Talmud study; many felt that most expressions of Jewish life had become too "academic" and that they no longer had any emphasis on spirituality or joy. The Ba'al Shem Tov set out to improve the situation. Hasidism met with opposition from the misnagdim—literally meaning "the opponents." In its initial stages, the most notable opponent was the Vilna Gaon, leader of the Lithuanian Jews, who generally adopted this hostile approach.
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I don't think Judaism should ever devolve into a racial category. Fine, there are Jews from different parts of the world.... nothing new with that... but saying that Jews are a race.... is Hitlerian nonsence.
Certainly... I was not implying that all jews are of one race... My point was that Jews come from many different races... Sephardic from Spain, Ashkenazi from central europe, Ethiopian from Africa, and many others. I stated that the Jewish people consider themself a Nation as in AM YISRAEL {The Nation/People of Israel}.
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It takes about 6 seconds to change your screenname, Atheist.
Done D2L is short for Death 2 Islam
And no im not a atheist anymore although i was a year ago
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So what are then?
explain you position and purpose clearly? thanks.
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I'm a Lutheran(Protestantan) christian like most Icelandic people are (yes thats where i am from the admins can verify that with my ip)
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That is a ridiculous statement.
When someone wants to kill you and drag the world into a nightmare, you are morally required to do away with them.
Moral relativism has no place here.
Judeanoncapta, I completely agree with you but the point is that "Atheist4Israel" came here to stir up trouble and try to get us to say incriminating things.
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I'm a Lutheran(Protestantan) christian like most Icelandic people are (yes thats where i am from the admins can verify that with my ip)
WOW, our first Icelanding member. Is it true what they say about Icelandic Women?
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That they are hot? I guess so
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/2464594228_b242674344.jpg?v=0)
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That they are hot? I guess so
Indeed but there has been complaint about posting pictures of immodest women to this site. I believe that they are beautiful but will ask that in the future you restrain yourself from posting immodest pictures.
Thank you,
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Oh sorry
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D2L, I took the liberty of removing the second photo. Modesty is very important.
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Hot means nothing. Most "hot" women are nincompoops who roast themselves in the sun daily and drink and smoke. I will take a cute but not spectacular woman over a bombshell who treats her body like garbage and looks like she's sixty by the time she is forty.
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I think his nic stands for
Death 2 Lam!
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Yeah i fixed it :fright:
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I would like to see Islam vanish from the Earth, but that does not mean a whole bunch of dead muslims. I want to get rid of the religion, the ideology, the political system of islam. That can be done without having to kill anyone.
How when most are so fanatical and irrational? I am not saying it couldn't be done, miracles do happen through G*d but I am interested in your proposal as to how it could be done.
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I smell a rat here. This poster is advocating genocide and urging us to support genocide as well, and referred to Jews as a "race"--very fishy. Not to mention his username...
Thats a good point. People who think Jews are a 'Race' usually are Nazis
We do consider the Jewish people to be a nation. It is not a race in a genetic sense but it is an identity. There obviously are racial differences between Mizrachi, Ashkenazi, Sefaradi, and Chassidic Jews. I fall into the Chassidic Jew category myself.
What do you mean by racial differences between chassidic Jews and non-chassidic Jews? A non-chassidic Jew can become chassidic.
Chassidic has come to mean a branch of Judaism yet it originated in Ukraine and Russia. Most Jews of Russian/Ukrainian origin are Chassidic Jews who often are categorized as Ashkenazi Jews. I don't know specific racial differences but to me there is a difference between Chassidic and general Ashkenazi Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasidic
Hasidic Judaism (also transliterated as Chasidic etc., from the Hebrew: חסידות , Hasidut, meaning "piety", from the Hebrew root word חסד chesed meaning "loving kindness") is a type of Orthodox or Haredi Jewish religious movement. Some refer to Hasidic Judaism as Hasidism, and the adjective Chasidic / Hasidic (or in Yiddish חסידיש Khasidish) applies. The movement originated in Eastern Europe (what is now the Ukraine) in the 18th century, and soon spread from Poland and Russia, to Hungary and Romania. As compared with other Jewish movements, Hasidic Judaism tends to focus on the role of the Rebbe as a spiritual conduit of G-d. Hasidic followers join worship groups associated with dynasties of Hasidic spiritual leaders. Each dynasty follows its own principles; thus Hasidic Judaism is not one movement, but a collection of separate individual groups with some commonality. There are some 9 major Hasidic groups, approximately 30 smaller Hasidic groups, and several hundred minor or extinct Hasidic groups. Though there is no one version of Hasidism, individual Hasidic groups often share with each other fundamental philosophy, worship styles, dress, songs, etc.
Rabbi Israel ben Eliezer (1698–1760), also known as the Ba'al Shem Tov [1], is seen as the founding figure of Hasidic Judaism. It originated in an age of persecution of the Jewish people, when European Jews had turned inward to Talmud study; many felt that most expressions of Jewish life had become too "academic" and that they no longer had any emphasis on spirituality or joy. The Ba'al Shem Tov set out to improve the situation. Hasidism met with opposition from the misnagdim—literally meaning "the opponents." In its initial stages, the most notable opponent was the Vilna Gaon, leader of the Lithuanian Jews, who generally adopted this hostile approach.
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Some people consider Jews as a race (and I'm refering to Hitlerian people) because they are around only mainly self-hating American (Askenazi) Jews for the most part, and have never seen or been around righteous Ethiopian Jews, Sephardic, Asian Jews and many others of different races, and therefore think all Jews are the same racially, and culturally, as well as politically. This is completely incorrect. Jews are the chosen people of all races. Those who go against the righteous Jewish people will be cursed.
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In my long years of association with JTF, I can honestly say that I've never once heard anyone advocating the extermination of Muslims.
I think JTF's program is very clear:
- Muslims do not belong in the Land of Israel
- We should make certain that Muslims cannot threaten the world (e.g., Iran's nuclear program)
- We should reduce Muslims' ability to breed endlessly by eliminating oil as a valuable commodity
- Muslims who launch attacks on Israel are due a punishing counterattack. Those who threaten should face a preemptive attack.
Now, I will say that there are Muslims right now in land that should be Israel's - from the Nile to the Euphrates. But once that land is in Israel's hands, no one in JTF is advocating a genocidal war against Muslims. JTF would be just as happy if the Muslims left these lands voluntarily.
JTF has advocated for years compensating the Muslims to leave Israel. That's 180 degrees different than some kind of Nazi gas chambers.
I do think JTF's program will reduce the number of Muslims in the world, but primarily by reducing the huge subsidies their governments will be able to pay. Once the oil revenue stops, the population boom will stop. That's in everyone's interest.
Once the Temple is rebuilt, Islam will decline in importance.
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Genocide is not the answer to islam. They should be transferred to their own countries. And no country from the West should then interfere in their local "politics" of sharia cult or something else. Simply because if they wish to live that way, it is not MY cup of tea. BUT: If they come here and want to force their sharia upon us, then it is clear they are in the wrong place and would have it easier living in a place where sharia already exists.
It may sound racist enough when I say that transferring almost all of them back to their countries was the only solution. But unfortunately they don't prove us any better... But this doesn't give anyone the right to kill them all and do the same to them as they want to do to us. Then would be at the same level and as evil as they are.
In the case of Israel I think that the islamic world offers enough space for the Arabs that live in the so-called Palestine. So Israel should get rid of the 1 mln Muslims who live in Israel and send them to one of the wealthier Muslim countries like UAE (who are always in need of work force) where they could have a good life. This would help them to improve their situation and Israel would be free and no Arab state would still have arguments to demand the destruction of Israel.
And for all the Muslims Europe sends back to their countries, Christians, Jews and other persecuted and discriminated minorities should get shelter here. Same goes for Canada, US, Australia etc. The ones who hate us go back and live in surroundings that do them well and those who are persecuted could come here and enjoy the freedom we provide!