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Title: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Zionist Revolutionary on May 31, 2009, 12:32:00 PM
http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/833730.html
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 31, 2009, 12:35:15 PM
Baruch Hashem. I look forward to satan injecting his brain full of saline and sucking it out with an industrial-strength vortex many times over in the next world.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Ultra Requete on May 31, 2009, 12:55:36 PM
I won't shad a tear for this butcher of inocent. Even if he was struck down in "church".
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 31, 2009, 01:11:30 PM
All the members of his so-called "church" should all meet his fate as well. Talk about the Whore of Babylon.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: AsheDina on May 31, 2009, 01:26:24 PM
Now they'll paint the person who did it as the murderer.  EVERYTHING is BACKWARDS
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: mord on May 31, 2009, 07:39:07 PM
Tiller the baby killer is no more :dance:
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: takebackourtemple on May 31, 2009, 07:52:02 PM
Let's pray for the guy who saved future babies.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on May 31, 2009, 10:44:43 PM
A brutal mass murderer is brutally murdered. I call it divine justice.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on May 31, 2009, 11:08:49 PM
A brutal mass murderer is brutally murdered. I call it divine justice.

Ahh! I was going to say that.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: msd on June 01, 2009, 09:12:04 AM
Now they'll paint the person who did it as the murderer.  EVERYTHING is BACKWARDS

But he IS a murderer. You're not supposed to kill. The only time you kill is if it's in wartime or (I think) self-defense (although apparently gentiles aren't allowed to kill in self-defense), or carrying out a death sentence after a court has found the defendant guilty. That's the point of having courts, so that we don't have lawlessness and honor killings and anarchy.

Quote from:  Serb Avenger
A brutal mass murderer is brutally murdered. I call it divine justice.

It's not. Justice requires a court and a trial. Since God instituted the rule of law then all good courts and trials are "divine." You can't go around killing people outside of the courts.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: briann on June 01, 2009, 09:24:21 AM
Late term abortionists are on par with the nazi death-doctors, or other war-criminals that butchered children.  I don't understand why people don't realize this.



Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 01, 2009, 09:32:04 AM
The only thing that worries me about this is that it might further harm the pro-life movement.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Ulli on June 01, 2009, 10:20:40 AM
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... although apparently gentiles aren't allowed to kill in self-defense

Nonsense! 
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on June 01, 2009, 10:42:14 AM
This is a cause for celebration. I wonder how many babies are saved now thanks to this heroic man who risk the welfare of his future to save innocent babies.
I hope G-d has mercy on this Hero...I am praying for him to recieve a non guilty verdict.



                                                                       Shalom - Dox
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: msd on June 01, 2009, 10:48:31 AM
This is a cause for celebration. I wonder how many babies are saved now thanks to this heroic man who risk the welfare of his future to save innocent babies.
I hope G-d has mercy on this Hero...I am praying for him to recieve a non guilty verdict.



                                                                       Shalom - Dox


He's just as guilty of murder as the abortionist.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Ithaca-37 on June 01, 2009, 11:31:21 AM
This incident speaks incredibly ill of the state of American Christianity.  And by that I'm not referring to Tiller's killing, but something else that's not mentioned here (much to my surprise):  Tiller was apparently a person of some authority in his local Lutheran church.

A genuine Christian pastor and his flock would have demanded that Tiller end his lucrative abortion business before setting foot in the door of the church, much less accept his service as an usher.  If I had to guess, Tiller was probably a major $ benefactor to this church, to buy public respectability.

This is the true disgrace to the cross of Christ in this story.

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Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Dr. Dan on June 01, 2009, 11:34:20 AM
This is a cause for celebration. I wonder how many babies are saved now thanks to this heroic man who risk the welfare of his future to save innocent babies.
I hope G-d has mercy on this Hero...I am praying for him to recieve a non guilty verdict.



                                                                       Shalom - Dox


wait a second...did this doctor do abortions to save the mother's life?  Or did he do random abortions whenever a woman just walked in and said, "do it to me".




He's just as guilty of murder as the abortionist.



wait a second...did he perform abortions randomly or when the woman's life was in danger?
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: msd on June 01, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
This is a cause for celebration. I wonder how many babies are saved now thanks to this heroic man who risk the welfare of his future to save innocent babies.
I hope G-d has mercy on this Hero...I am praying for him to recieve a non guilty verdict.



                                                                       Shalom - Dox


wait a second...did this doctor do abortions to save the mother's life?  Or did he do random abortions whenever a woman just walked in and said, "do it to me".




He's just as guilty of murder as the abortionist.



wait a second...did he perform abortions randomly or when the woman's life was in danger?

I was assuming the former.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: EffIran on June 01, 2009, 12:00:26 PM
One should not glorify the murder of Dr. Tiller.  His abortion work should have been illegal, but it wasn't.  Non-violent alternatives should have been pursued.   
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Christian Zionist on June 01, 2009, 12:04:53 PM
This pig served as an usher in that Church?  What a shame!

God has avenged the blood of innocent babies finally.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Christian Zionist on June 01, 2009, 12:34:16 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMC_70oYV8U
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on June 01, 2009, 01:29:22 PM
I don't advocate any acts of violence or terrorism but G-d clearly thought differently in this case. I can't say that I am upset about the result, although I don't think scum like Tiller (thankfully boiling in the lake of fire now) is worth any righteous, or even any so-so, person going to jail for the rest of their life or receiving the death penalty for.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 01, 2009, 01:34:54 PM
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wait a second...did he perform abortions randomly or when the woman's life was in danger?

They were late term abortions that could have ended with the baby alive after a C section. Some babies have hydrocephaly so they can't be born through the birth canal. Instead of allowing them to be born and given medical help (shunts, etc.) sometimes these babies are just murdered. That's what the majority of late term abortions involve I think. It's a really brutal and evil procedure that murders a baby that could live outside the womb with medical help.

The late-term abortionist collapses the skull sucking the fluid and brain material out so that it can fit through the birth canal. This also murders the baby.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Ulli on June 01, 2009, 01:42:43 PM
Imo the worst thing in this case is that he was such a hypocrite.

What is his purpose to visit a christian assembly if he is already obvious fallen out of grace. But this question goes to the assembly too. The normal thing to do with this kind of people is to bann them and seperate from them. Really twisted - of both sides ...
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 01, 2009, 01:46:39 PM
Imo the worst thing in this case is that he was such a hypocrite.

What is his purpose to visit a christian assembly if he is already obvious fallen out of grace. But this question goes to the assembly too. The normal thing to do with this kind of people is to bann them and seperate from them. Really twisted - of both sides ...

I don't think that he should have been banned from attending church. If he has those kinds of moral issues he needs to be exposed to morality and a Biblical message more than other people do. It's a real crime that he was allowed to hold a leadership position or a position of honor such as being a deacon though. That shows that the church condoned the evil he did and wasn't there to help him be a better person.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Ulli on June 01, 2009, 01:58:39 PM
Imo the worst thing in this case is that he was such a hypocrite.

What is his purpose to visit a christian assembly if he is already obvious fallen out of grace. But this question goes to the assembly too. The normal thing to do with this kind of people is to bann them and seperate from them. Really twisted - of both sides ...

I don't think that he should have been banned from attending church. If he has those kinds of moral issues he needs to be exposed to morality and a Biblical message more than other people do. It's a real crime that he was allowed to hold a leadership position or a position of honor such as being a deacon though. That shows that the church condoned the evil he did and wasn't there to help him be a better person.

This kind of people are dangerous Ruby. You overestimate the strenght of the righteous. If you stay in close contact with evil people you will turn yourself into an evil person. There is only one possibility - seperation.

Read 1. Kornither 5:1 ff & Matthäus 18:5 ff.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: angryChineseKahanist on June 01, 2009, 02:10:32 PM
One should not glorify the murder of Dr. Tiller. His abortion work should have been illegal, but it wasn't. Non-violent alternatives should have been pursued. 

That could be true.
Come to think of it they'll make a hero out of the guy who went around pulling brains out of 8.5 month old babies.

Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: mord on June 01, 2009, 03:25:36 PM
Look here the Pastor and the assistant Pastor a woman the Pastor sounds like a hippy to me             http://www.reformation-lutheran.org/aboutus/staff.html
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Ulli on June 01, 2009, 03:41:43 PM
Look here the Pastor and the assistant Pastor a woman the Pastor sounds like a hippy to me             http://www.reformation-lutheran.org/aboutus/staff.html

Typical Lutherians. I destest them and I know them very well, because I was raised in a secular Lutherian home and confirmed in a bolschewist Lutherian church. They are real scum.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Zionist Revolutionary on June 01, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
Everyones bitching and crying about the death of George Tiller, but they treat the unborn babies as if they don't even exist. This is why wisdom, and righteousness cannot exist without knowing the L-rd. Without it, you ignore the innocent and defend the guilty.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 01, 2009, 08:57:50 PM
Pheasant I know that evil people can corrupt good people but sometimes I wonder how evil people are supposed to learn something better if they're shut out of places like churches. It's a really confusing thing to me because I can see your point completely too. You're right that they are destructive but I have to wonder where the balance is between compassion for helping people who need moral guidance and protection of people who are righteous.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: takebackourtemple on June 01, 2009, 09:08:05 PM
   At least those opposing the murder will oppose the death penalty for the suspect or do they only oppose the death penalty when it applies to the truly guilty.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on June 01, 2009, 10:12:52 PM
Pheasant I know that evil people can corrupt good people but sometimes I wonder how evil people are supposed to learn something better if they're shut out of places like churches. It's a really confusing thing to me because I can see your point completely too. You're right that they are destructive but I have to wonder where the balance is between compassion for helping people who need moral guidance and protection of people who are righteous.

Hi Ruby, you bring up a good point. I do believe that some people are truly sorry for their sins and attempt to repent, however on the other hand,
there are some really evil people who use places of worship as a cover for their evil deeds.
Who knows if Tiller the baby killer was truly sorry, or he wanted to convince himself that he was sorry.
If he was truly sorry I would assume he would not have been performing abortions anymore.

                                                                    Shalom & G-d Bless!

                                                                            Dox



Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: MountainMan on June 01, 2009, 10:15:11 PM
 :dance: :dance: AMEN  :dance: :dance:
G-D BLESS THE BRAVE SOUL WHO CaRRIED OUT THE VERY DEED THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE DONE!

When will the holocaust against innocent babies end?   
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: msd on June 02, 2009, 04:15:47 AM
:dance: :dance: AMEN  :dance: :dance:
G-D BLESS THE BRAVE SOUL WHO CaRRIED OUT THE VERY DEED THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE DONE!

When will the holocaust against innocent babies end?   

Come ON!

It is TOTALLY WRONG to take the law into your own hands. Life is not a Batman comic book. It's not Spiderman or a video game or James Bond. There's supposed to be courts and a trial. What this man did to the abortionist is just as wrong as the abortionist doing it to the babies. You guys are supporting murder. You do not stand up for the law and morality. You're pathetic scum.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Ulli on June 02, 2009, 05:15:48 AM
   At least those opposing the murder will oppose the death penalty for the suspect or do they only oppose the death penalty when it applies to the truly guilty.

Everybody knows the answer.  :::D
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Ulli on June 02, 2009, 05:18:54 AM
Pheasant I know that evil people can corrupt good people but sometimes I wonder how evil people are supposed to learn something better if they're shut out of places like churches. It's a really confusing thing to me because I can see your point completely too. You're right that they are destructive but I have to wonder where the balance is between compassion for helping people who need moral guidance and protection of people who are righteous.

The truth is, that nobody is able to help them. It is their nature to do this kind of things.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Sentinel For Truth on June 02, 2009, 06:26:31 AM
One should not glorify the murder of Dr. Tiller.  His abortion work should have been illegal, but it wasn't.  Non-violent alternatives should have been pursued.   

I agree.  I understand the doctor performed rare instances of late-term abortions in cases where the mother's life is in jeopardy and were deemed medically necessary.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: MountainMan on June 02, 2009, 02:54:38 PM
:dance: :dance: AMEN  :dance: :dance:
G-D BLESS THE BRAVE SOUL WHO CaRRIED OUT THE VERY DEED THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE DONE!

When will the holocaust against innocent babies end?   

Come ON!

It is TOTALLY WRONG to take the law into your own hands. Life is not a Batman comic book. It's not Spiderman or a video game or James Bond. There's supposed to be courts and a trial. What this man did to the abortionist is just as wrong as the abortionist doing it to the babies. You guys are supporting murder. You do not stand up for the law and morality. You're pathetic scum.


I'm pathetic scum that I support the death ofa child murderer?  What are you then?  Where was "BIG BROTHER" when this butcher was taking lives of thousands of children.  Don't believe the media hype that he was some hero who saved the lives of women on their death bed.  If abortion was all about saving sick women's lives, you would not hear a peep out of me.  A majority of abortions that this monster performed were abortions performed because the baby inconvenienced the slutty mother and stingy, selfish father to be.  Most abortions, go do some research, are not performed to save the life or remove a deformed fetus.  Most abortions are performed because the women do not want to go through with having a baby, since it would inconvenience them.  They don't want to take the time, money and responsiblity required to bea parent and its much easier to go to doctor death and have him take a scalpel, a vacuum or dump acid on the little guy's head.

By the way, this doctor performed some illegal post-birth abortions that did not have proper approval, but due to his status and a fleet of good lawyers, he got off and never got in trouble.  This infuriated pro-life activists to the point where someone did the duty the government failed.

No offense, but you are a supporter of child murderes and that makes you equal to them!  I pray to G-d you repent for supporting this animal!  And maybe the Americans were wrong to kill Germans without giving them a fair trial in WWII?  Or perhaps if no one is around to punish your enemy, you have to do it and not give a damn what the liberal monkeys have to say.

At least 1.5 million abortions performed in USA each year! 
42 million abortions performed around the world each year!


END THE BABY HOLOCAUST NOW!!!  EXECUTE ALL NAZI ABORTION DOCTORS!! 
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 02, 2009, 02:57:21 PM
Pheasant I know that evil people can corrupt good people but sometimes I wonder how evil people are supposed to learn something better if they're shut out of places like churches. It's a really confusing thing to me because I can see your point completely too. You're right that they are destructive but I have to wonder where the balance is between compassion for helping people who need moral guidance and protection of people who are righteous.

The truth is, that nobody is able to help them. It is their nature to do this kind of things.

I hope that God can help these kinds of people, at least to stop killing babies. I wonder if once in his life if Tiller didn't look at his hands and think about what he had done, and felt remorse? I have to wonder if he lived in his own private hell, knowing in his heart that what he did was evil, but doing it anyway and justifying it to himself in all the ways he could. I wouldn't want to be him, dead or alive.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: msd on June 02, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
:dance: :dance: AMEN  :dance: :dance:
G-D BLESS THE BRAVE SOUL WHO CaRRIED OUT THE VERY DEED THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE DONE!

When will the holocaust against innocent babies end?   

Come ON!

It is TOTALLY WRONG to take the law into your own hands. Life is not a Batman comic book. It's not Spiderman or a video game or James Bond. There's supposed to be courts and a trial. What this man did to the abortionist is just as wrong as the abortionist doing it to the babies. You guys are supporting murder. You do not stand up for the law and morality. You're pathetic scum.


I'm pathetic scum that I support the death ofa child murderer?  What are you then?  Where was "BIG BROTHER" when this butcher was taking lives of thousands of children.  Don't believe the media hype that he was some hero who saved the lives of women on their death bed.  If abortion was all about saving sick women's lives, you would not hear a peep out of me.  A majority of abortions that this monster performed were abortions performed because the baby inconvenienced the slutty mother and stingy, selfish father to be.  Most abortions, go do some research, are not performed to save the life or remove a deformed fetus.  Most abortions are performed because the women do not want to go through with having a baby, since it would inconvenience them.  They don't want to take the time, money and responsiblity required to bea parent and its much easier to go to doctor death and have him take a scalpel, a vacuum or dump acid on the little guy's head.

By the way, this doctor performed some illegal post-birth abortions that did not have proper approval, but due to his status and a fleet of good lawyers, he got off and never got in trouble.  This infuriated pro-life activists to the point where someone did the duty the government failed.

No offense, but you are a supporter of child murderes and that makes you equal to them!  I pray to G-d you repent for supporting this animal!  And maybe the Americans were wrong to kill Germans without giving them a fair trial in WWII?  Or perhaps if no one is around to punish your enemy, you have to do it and not give a damn what the liberal monkeys have to say.

No, I don't support abortionists. I think abortion is wrong unless it's to save the life of the mother.

WWII was a war. We're not currently in a war with abortionists, with them fighting back and us fighting them, using soldiers and battlefields and the like. Wartime law is different from peacetime law. During normal times, -- peacetime, now -- we are to have courts and rule of law. Says that in the Noahide Laws. No murder and you're supposed to advocate for rule of law.

Letting people go around killing each other any way they see fit is not rule of law, even if the person they're killing is a murderer. They're supposed to have a trial, and laws are supposed to be in place that say "this behavior, abortion, is wrong. "

In fact this is the way people behave in Muslim countries. When someone is an adulterer or murderer or homosexual, they take them out into the streets and kill them.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on June 02, 2009, 03:01:32 PM
Come ON!

It is TOTALLY WRONG to take the law into your own hands. Life is not a Batman comic book. It's not Spiderman or a video game or James Bond. There's supposed to be courts and a trial. What this man did to the abortionist is just as wrong as the abortionist doing it to the babies. You guys are supporting murder. You do not stand up for the law and morality. You're pathetic scum.
I do not support anybody taking the law into their own hands and killing evil people (for starters, because nobody's life is worth going to prison for life or facing the death penalty for because they took matters into their own hands and killed a bad person), and in fact I oppose breaking the law under any circumstances (the Bible commands us to be subject to authorities) unless it is absolutely necessary (i.e. if the government demanded that I turn in the names of all opponents of Islam that I know), but this man was absolute scum of the earth--as low as Osama bin Laden IMO. I would much have rather seen this guy tried, convicted, and hanged by a jury than being taken out the way he was, but it is undeniable that this was divine justice in action. Praise G-d that this beast is writhing around in an Olympic-sized pool full of molten bauxite and quartz as we speak.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 02, 2009, 03:02:29 PM
Come ON!

It is TOTALLY WRONG to take the law into your own hands. Life is not a Batman comic book. It's not Spiderman or a video game or James Bond. There's supposed to be courts and a trial. What this man did to the abortionist is just as wrong as the abortionist doing it to the babies. You guys are supporting murder. You do not stand up for the law and morality. You're pathetic scum.

It was the wrong way to go about it and I don't condone the action of shooting him.

However maybe you can understand why people are happy. Tiller was a murderer who killed near full-term human babies. How would you feel about it if someone went into a maternity ward of a hospital with a butcher knife and started stabbing all the babies in the heart? That's the kind of evil p.o.s. that Tiller was, except he would pull a baby out and jam something into the back of his or her skull and suck the brains out while the baby's legs are kicking.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on June 02, 2009, 03:03:57 PM
It was the wrong way to go about it and I don't condone the action of shooting him.

However maybe you can understand why people are happy. Tiller was a murderer who killed near full-term human babies. How would you feel about it if someone went into a maternity ward of a hospital with a butcher knife and started stabbing all the babies in the heart? That's the kind of evil p.o.s. that Tiller was, except he would pull a baby out and jam something into the back of his or her skull and suck the brains out while the baby's legs are kicking.
Rubystars is right. I cannot give assent to vigilante acts ever, no matter how evil the person being targeted is, but we should still be grateful that divine justice was done and that this demon no longer walks among us.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on June 02, 2009, 03:05:23 PM
One last thing, I think JTFers should all be praying that there is a massive radon gas cloud under the floor of the Jew-hating Martin Hitler church that Tiller served as an elder in so that everyone who attends it can get metastatic lung sarcoma.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 02, 2009, 03:09:15 PM
One last thing, I think JTFers should all be praying that there is a massive radon gas cloud under the floor of the Jew-hating Martin Hitler church that Tiller served as an elder in so that everyone who attends it can get metastatic lung sarcoma.

Personally I hope that they change and become more conservative and turn to G-d instead of making leftist liberalism their G-d.

You made some great points in this thread though!
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Ultra Requete on June 03, 2009, 07:49:38 AM
Imo the worst thing in this case is that he was such a hypocrite.

What is his purpose to visit a christian assembly if he is already obvious fallen out of grace. But this question goes to the assembly too. The normal thing to do with this kind of people is to bann them and seperate from them. Really twisted - of both sides ...

They're Lutherans and Lutherans; They're 3 branches of them in USA and only 2 are Liberal; Polish Lutherans are even more conservative although I chosed Ortodoxy when Leaving RCC anyway. Partly becouse they have parish nearby and more importantly becouse I'm fed up with protestant lawlessness and ortodox theology and liturgy speaks to my heart. I think that's a case of the wratch of God rather than vigilancy becouse unborn children are regarded as subhumans by modern world just like Jews were wieved by nazis during WWII. Unlike Jews however who were rescued eventualy by Alied victory (too late for 1/3 of them but still) nobody is standing for them... Well seems  almost nobody.  :)
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Christian Zionist on June 03, 2009, 03:01:30 PM

http://74.125.155.132/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=cache:http://www.gingiedmonds.com/June12009.html&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://www.gingiedmonds.com/Home_Page.html

George Tiller - the infamous late-term abortionist and medical director of Women's Health Care Services in Wichita, Kansas – was killed on May 31, 2009.

Tiller was one of only three nationwide abortionists that make a living injecting digoxin into the beating hearts of small infants from the 21st week of pregnancy to birth.  This man put Kansas on the map as the "abortion state" with his entrepreneurial spirit in capitalizing on abortion services.

In addition to being a hit man for hire, Tiller also offered funerary services to mothers that paid him to off their kids.  While most clinics in the nation are content to just rape and scrape, Tiller took his practice leaps and bounds beyond the norm and peddled abortion packages that included photographing, footprinting, handprinting, baptism, cremation, and arrangement for autopsy.

George Tiller personally killed more babies than America lost soldiers in Vietnam.  Although he specialized in killing handicapped children, most of his tiny victims were late term, fully-formed, healthy, and viable outside the womb.  He performed an average of roughly seven post-viable abortions per week and has admitted on tape to aborting babies a day before the mother's due date.

Despite his radical dealings in abortion extremism for over 35 years, Tiller has been met with physical violence only three times in his career of mass baby slaughter.  His clinic was bombed in 1985.  On August 19, 1993 he was shot in both arms outside of his Wichita clinic.  And on May 31, 2009 Tiller was shot to death as he served as an usher during church services.

Murder is murder, and it is something that we pro-lifers inherently deplore.  But I can't help but note - and my history is rusty so pardon me here - I'm trying to remember, did anyone mourn Lee Harvey Oswald when Jack Ruby gunned him down?  Or better yet, did anyone mourn the deaths of Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer, or any other mass murderer for that matter?  Even according to the harebrained pro-choice life-at-viability reckoning, Tiller was indisputably a mass murderer who was executed in a fashion far more humane than the tens of thousands of children that he mutilated and left to die in cuddle session bassinets.

I mean, think about it.  Someone just shot a Nazi guard manning the gas chamber at Aushwitz.  I should feel bad about this?  George Tiller the Baby Killer's acts are every bit as vile as the Nazi war criminals who were hunted down, tried, and sentenced after they participated in the "legal" murder of the Jews that fell into their hands.

The lone wacko who gunned Tiller down was not associated with any single pro-life organization or group.  He was working solo and his acts rest on his head alone.  So why, exactly, are pro-lifers doing back flips to appease the abortion mongering moonbats that seek to elevate Tiller to martyrdom and sainthood?

Instead of scrambling to feverishly denounce the pro-life community ("Anyone who thinks Tiller's death is in any way a positive thing is not a true pro-lifer"... huh?) we should be looking at a very serious fact:  If every single pro-lifer who is currently falling all over themselves to publicly mourn the "loss" of this abortionist displayed just a fraction of that outrage over just ONE of the children Tiller murdered on a regular nine to five, Baby Killer Tiller would have been put out of business long ago and he would not be dead today.

Over the years there have been multiple opportunities to peacefully and legally hold George Tiller accountable to his actions, thus shielding him from acts of extremism.  An example would be his trial that took place in March of 2009.  Being charged with 19 misdemeanors he got off scott-free through corrupt political ties and professional dishonesty.  Again, had justice been served in that courtroom, Tiller would be alive today and serving a sentence behind bars.

Is the pro-life position one of violence?  Of course not.  It is because we are so peaceful that lone acts of extremism immediately garner national attention.  In the course of a 36 year genocide, only five abortionists have been killed.  According to government statistics from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, for every abortionists killed, over thirty clergy members have been murdered.  Where are the candlelight vigils and 24/7 news coverage for these victims of political violence?

According to the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, every day more than 80 Americans die from gun violence - many of these being senseless death with the victims innocent of any wrong-doing.  And here we have a man who made a living peddling death, who reaped what he had been sowing for over 36 years at $5,000+ a pop. Does this honestly surprise anyone?

Pro-lifers need to stop hyperventilating over the pro-aborts who are having aneurisms synthesizing mock outrage at Tiller's demise.  We need, now more than ever, to keep things in proper perspective.

I know this is a huge loss for Tiller's family and they need our prayer and support.  I'm sure they are grieving bitterly, and it is heartbreaking to think of the pain that they must be feeling.  It is ultimately tragic that Tiller did not have an opportunity to properly prepare his soul to face his Maker.  Unless some miracle happened, he left this life with his hands drenched with innocent blood.

While it is imperative that we extend love and grace to the family of Tiller, we still cannot afford to lose sight of the fact that George Tiller was a mass murderer of the worst kind who made a living off of killing babies and harming women.  Unless you are radically against capital punishment, those who view abortion as murder agree that the penalty for the crime of mass child slaughter is death.  And although the method and means of his execution is deplorable, the ultimate outcome is not.

The man chose his fate the moment he dismembered his first infant.  I'm not embarrassed to say what the punishment for the crime is anymore than I'm embarrassed to admit that child killing is a crime.

Did I want him to be gunned down in church - even a hypocritical, Molech-worshiping fraud of a church like the one he was attending while shot?  No.  I would have much preferred him being tried and convicted in a court of law that is consistent with medical science and personhood as defined in our Constitution.  We can prevent the atrocious acts of violence against abortionists by holding them accountable to their actions.

There is no doubt that Tiller deserved to be executed for his crimes.  I just would have preferred a state sanctioned lethal injection, hanging, firing squad, electric chair, good old fashioned stoning, what have you.

The sooner pro-lifers stop giving pro-aborts wiggle room in their perpetual playing of the victim card, the better.  We need to reveal to the nation what this man did for a living and shed even more light on the grisly details of abortion.  Our pointless pacifism and back-peddling in the face of this tragedy is helping turn George Tiller into a hero for the pro-abort crowd.

Already, the pro-deathers are making absurd comments such as, "Tiller was truly pro-life, he helped women and was willing to sacrifice his own life for them!"  Well, if pro-aborts can dub Tiller "truly pro-life", then in all fairness I guess it's safe to say that his killer was truly "pro-choice".  He believed in the idea that if a person's existence troubles you, you have the right to kill them.  He also obviously strongly felt that every abortionist should be a wanted abortionist.  Is it not a personal decision?  His ammunition, his choice?  Everybody has an opinion... can't we all just get along?  Find common ground, like Obama asked us to?

I mean, I personally would not shoot an abortionist, but who am I to impose my morality on someone else?  If you are against shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one, right?  Hmm, suddenly pro-choice  rhetoric doesn't sound so warm and fuzzy and virtuous, does it?

Tiller was killed by a pro-choice act.  Pro-lifers need make no apologies.  Both men are guilty of bloodshed and this tragedy is a sad but all-too-real testament to the biblical truth that those who live by the sword, die by the sword.


- Gingi Edmonds
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Moshe92 on June 03, 2009, 03:03:32 PM
In the past several days, there have been a lot of disgusting Boston Globe editorials and letters in favor of Tiller. They are calling him a hero and saying that he saved many lives.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Christian Zionist on June 03, 2009, 03:17:18 PM
In the past several days, there have been a lot of disgusting Boston Globe editorials and letters in favor of Tiller. They are calling him a hero and saying that he saved many lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08C9O_4BbcA
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: MountainMan on June 03, 2009, 03:36:48 PM
Great post CHristian Zionist..  Killer the Tiller is dead  :dance: :dance:    Yeah, what are all these pro-choice scumbags doing cryign about Tiller's death?  The guy who shot him was pro-choice, he has the right to abort Tiller if he wants to.  After all these women feel they have the right to abort these children who never did any wrong to them.  Why are they the only people who get to abort people?  At least by aborting Tiller the Killer, we have saved the lives of thousands of children.   Life is cheap in this country and its disgusting that "PRO-CHOICE" people can have a movement at all.

You know you are in a g-dless country when there is a giant movement in the support of butchering babies so filthy whores can go around screwing guys all they want.  And, too many selifsh men out there who rather spend all night at sports club getting drunk and watching football game with their buddies and cannot possiblity be hindered by the financial and emotional responbility of being a parent. 

They say in Japan, more women use abortion than birth control.  Babies are just viewed as squishy things and killing them is not a big deal.  Funny how these selfish monsters view a fetus as not a human, they were a fetus too.   WHy is a newborn baby considered a human, but a 4 month old in the womb baby consider just a group of cells?   Morals around the world are really messed up.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Christian Zionist on June 03, 2009, 03:56:09 PM
Just an FYI...

Tiller the killer had performed about 60,000 abortions - more than the number of US soldiers died in Iraq  Vietnam rather!!!
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: GoIsraelGo! on June 03, 2009, 04:57:55 PM
Just an FYI...

Tiller the killer had performed about 60,000 abortions - more than the number of US soldiers died in Iraq

You don't hear the liberals screaming for millions of dead babies...yet you hear the liberals screaming about rights for terrorists.
I pray G-d destroys all this evil that surrounds us.


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Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 03, 2009, 10:16:12 PM
60,000 abortions! That guy deserved more than a humane shot in the head. He deserved to have his skin ripped off his body while he was still alive and have alcohol thrown on each wound and lit on fire. Through a legally-sanctioned court action of course.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: CorrieDeservedIt on June 03, 2009, 10:24:05 PM

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
God bless the man that shot him.
What goes around comes around.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on June 04, 2009, 04:04:23 AM
60,000 abortions! That guy deserved more than a humane shot in the head. He deserved to have his skin ripped off his body while he was still alive and have alcohol thrown on each wound and lit on fire. Through a legally-sanctioned court action of course.
First, he should have been tied to a chair, with his eyelids cut off, and turned to face the above procedure being done to members of his family.

Then the above should have been done to him.

And yeah Ruby, the above should have happened as the result of a jury sentence, and in an even remotely moral nation, it would have long ago.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: takebackourtemple on June 04, 2009, 07:45:17 AM
One last thing, I think JTFers should all be praying that there is a massive radon gas cloud under the floor of the Jew-hating Martin Hitler church that Tiller served as an elder in so that everyone who attends it can get metastatic lung sarcoma.

   Our prayers should be used for things that are more serious. While this congregation has many people who sin, noone is perfect. We must pray for their souls. Perhaps they can see the wrong of what they have done and change for the better. Unless someone is real evil, I don't wish cancer upon him or her. I'm hoping what happened at that church will result in the saving of many unborn lives.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 04, 2009, 07:49:15 AM
That place doesn't have the right to call themselves a church at all.
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Christian Zionist on June 04, 2009, 10:55:09 AM
60,000 abortions! That guy deserved more than a humane shot in the head. He deserved to have his skin ripped off his body while he was still alive and have alcohol thrown on each wound and lit on fire. Through a legally-sanctioned court action of course.
First, he should have been tied to a chair, with his eyelids cut off, and turned to face the above procedure being done to members of his family.

Then the above should have been done to him.

And yeah Ruby, the above should have happened as the result of a jury sentence, and in an even remotely moral nation, it would have long ago.


I forgot to add:  This "good" Christian was a "good" grand father of 10 kids.  He obviously did not want to suck their brains out while they were coming out!!!

This is the last paragraph of the statement issued by his "loving family"


"Our loss is also a loss for the City of Wichita and women across America. George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality heath care despite frequent threats and violence. We ask that he be remembered as a good husband, father and grandfather and a dedicated servant on behalf of the rights of women everywhere."

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Rights of women everywhere???    They think it is her body so she has the right to do anything she wants!!!  Okay - if a male baby is in her womb then the male genital is part her body too!!!  A pregrent woman has 2 hearts, 4 legs, 4 years, 4 eyes etc.  It is her body so why can't she let doctors like Tiller to cut her "other" 2 years off???
Title: Re: George Tiller ysh''v shot and killed at Wichita Church
Post by: Rubystars on June 04, 2009, 11:22:49 AM
It didn't help the women's rights of likely more than 30,000 girls he murdered, or the human rights of either gender baby.