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Save Western Civilization => Save Europe => Topic started by: MrPatriot1776 on July 14, 2009, 10:25:40 PM
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The British National Party has declared the invading Muslims to be scum. Following that, they find an unlikely ally against this common enemy: Jews and Israel. Even though the party is National (socially conservative) Socialist (fiscally liberal), just like the Nazi party was, they openly declared Jews to be an ally and have Jewish members.
Despite that, other Neo Nazis at sites such as StørmFrønt, continue putting forth their outlandish conspiracy theories and holocaust denials. They still see Jews as an enemy, and still unite with the Muslims in their common wish for another holocaust.
The question I'll put forth is, do you think that we would benefit if neo Nazis recognized the circumstances, and switched over to our side and opposed the Muslims? Furthermore, is the prospect of "converting" some of them realistic? Should we try? Any recruits?
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They are looking for allies rather than friends. Sometimes it is necessary to make alliances with enemies for the greater good. But in this case it is not for the greater good. They are based on hate and we cannot align ourselves with their lack of values. We do not hate anyone based on Ethnic identity. We only hate evil people.
If a Nazi is willing to see the errs of his or her ways, he or she is welcome to improve and join us, but we will not stoop to their level.
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The BNP has Jewish and, I believe, a few black members. The group has been unfairly called "Nazi" and "fascist" and "extremist" by the mediamongers when, in fact, its members want to preserve Anglo-Celtic civilization from extinction. Given its emphasis on the UK's white heritage, it's no wonder why people label them as modern-day Nazis.
I've read a fair amount on the BNP regarding its supposed antisemitism, the admissions of Nick Griffin and such, but I've also come to know that one of the party's officers is an ethnically Jewish woman of east European ancestry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Richardson_(politician)
Given how slick the media is at disinformation, I really don't know what to say about the BNP's supposed extremism.
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I met Patricia Richardson. She seemed rather nice.
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I voted for the BNP in the last European elections.
No other party will effectively deal with the Islamification of Britain which is the biggest threat.
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/02/islamification-of-britain-sparks-jump-in-anti-jewish-attacks/
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The BNP's gains are a positive sign that not all is lost for the UK. The UK, England more specifically, is the homeland of my [Anglo-Saxon] ancestors, men and women who were comverted from heathenry to Christianity. That many in the UK, English or Welsh or whatever, would want to preserve this Christian culture is not surprising at all- especially in the face of Muslim hordes.
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Nazis just behave like Muslims. At first they are your allies, but when they don't need you any longer, they fight you! This is what Nazis did with their allies and this is what Muslims do to former allies. All false fake moral!
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The thing is, there are no more [real] Nazis- just wannabes. The Nazi Party had an organized political platform, massive support with Germany's people and a vicious agenda: to exterminate the untermenschen (Jews, Slavs, "unfit" Germanics- one of the plans Shitler had drawn up for England was to wipe out the [Anglo-Celtic] men and use the women as breeding stock for SS troops, good Gd) and create a master race.
These fruitcake neo-Nazi groups like the American Nazi Party have as much political clout a high school glee club. They're jokes. Even the once-mighty KKK is pathetically small compared to what it once was in the early 20th century.
The BNP doesn't seem like the maniacal Nazi Party, nor the maniacal Muslim towelheads.
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The thing is, there are no more [real] Nazis- just wannabes. The Nazi Party had an organized political platform, massive support with Germany's people and a vicious agenda: to exterminate the untermenschen (Jews, Slavs, "unfit" Germanics- one of the plans Shitler had drawn up for England was to wipe out the [Anglo-Celtic] men and use the women as breeding stock for SS troops, good Gd) and create a master race.
These fruitcake neo-Nazi groups like the American Nazi Party have as much political clout a high school glee club. They're jokes. Even the once-mighty KKK is pathetically small compared to what it once was in the early 20th century.
The BNP doesn't seem like the maniacal Nazi Party, nor the maniacal Muslim towelheads.
I agree. The BNP is less than the British version of the Taliban.
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I agree. The BNP is less than the British version of the Taliban.
In many, if not most, cases the people that join the BNP are just concerned citizens- like the people who post here on these forums. It's only because the BNP mainly appeals to two very hated groups, whites and Christians, that they're called Nazi, extremist, etc. If there are non-white or non-Christian members of the BNP, as is the case, it's because these people have found agreement with the BNP's goals.
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The BNP aren't nazis there is a nazi party in the U.K. but no one pays attention to them.Thhe BNP has some very good policies but it does have a socialist agenda
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More people should pay attention to them. The BNP represents what I think is the silent majority in the UK, people who're fed-up and feel betrayed by their leaders.
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More people should pay attention to them. The BNP represents what I think is the silent majority in the UK, people who're fed-up and feel betrayed by their leaders.
Anyone who believes that there is any solution to Britain's immigrant problems outside the context of the BNP is deceiving him/her self.
By the way, why the Saxon name but the sort-of-Welsh flag?
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By the way, why the Saxon name but the sort-of-Welsh flag?
The flag of Wales is a red dragon on a white background. A white dragon on a red background is, legendarily, what the brothers Hengest and Horsa flew when they led their followers, part of the Angle, Jutish and Saxon nations, into Celtic Britain.
http://www.whitedragonflagofengland.com/
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By the way, why the Saxon name but the sort-of-Welsh flag?
The flag of Wales is a red dragon on a white background. A white dragon on a red background is, legendarily, what the brothers Hengest and Horsa flew when they led their followers, part of the Angle, Jutish and Saxon nations, into Celtic Britain.
http://www.whitedragonflagofengland.com/
Thank you for the explanation. I wish you luck with the flag. Both the flag of Glyndwr and that of St. David are still banned in Cardiff's Millenium Stadium.
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Traditional English flags, like that of St. George, don't really appeal to me- but the white dragon flag does, and I see this as, say, a Jew might see the Magen David. It's a national emblem of my people and, even though it has heathen origins, it is also a [lost] identifier of the Anglo-Saxon people.
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Here is a post I just made about the BNP on another thread that might have some worth on this thread as well:
The BNP is not pro-Muslim or anti-semitic. They are anti-immigration, and plan to expel any foreigner with a criminal background and ban halal ritual slaughter. I have even heard them say that they will pay Muslims to leave the country. They stand up for the indigenous British population to live as first class citizens in their only country. Plus, even if they are anti-semitic, it would be good because British Jews might consider making aliyah. Just like when Kahane said he is on the side of the gentile country club that doesn't accept Jews: referring to the "spiritual holocaust" of Jews that is taking place via assimilation. Anti-semitism is everywhere you go, many express it and many hold it in
The British liberal pro-Muslim and anti-semitic media tries to demonize the party because they are against the current corrupt establishment that has let mass immigration occur in the first place (just like the liberal media did to Kahane's Kach party), and they will shout and call names like "racist" "fascist" "xenophobe" "intolerant" "Hitler clone" "nazi." If Israel, Europe and the US are going to solve their demographic problems that threatening their survival: expect these words to be hurled and have lies printed about your policies. The liberals said that "Kahane wants to do to the Arabs what the Nazis did to the Jews during the Holocaust," and thats why Kahane made statements like: "everyone has heard about Meir Kahane, and so few have heard Meir Kahane." Remember Pim Fortuyn? The far-right and openly gay politician from the Netherlands was the first politician in Europe to address the Muslim issue. Later, Fortuyn was assassinated nine days before Dutch elections by a leftist who bought all the media's lies, and because his party was expected win the most seats in parliament and would make him the prime minister.
I think that this party is Britain's only hope for survival and for economic revival. I been watching some of the BNP's speeches from Nick Griffin and Arthur Kemp, and what they are saying is pretty solid. Anything from departing the EU (common among far-right parties), giving loans to establish British industries in order to provide jobs for British people, sea wind as an alternative energy source for Britain (they are in the best spot for this), rebuilding the British automobile industry, ending the welfare state. These are not the typical policies of the Labour, Torries, and Liberal Democrats. I think what they offer what is best alternative for Britain and the British people, just as what the Kahanists have to offer is best for Israel and the Jewish people. They want to give the white British people their pride back, just as much as Kahanists want to give the Jew their pride back. That is me seeing the BNP through Kahanist eyes, and I am not the one to hold double standards.
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Saxon Marauder, I was going to ask you about that flag icon. I checked out that website you linked to, but I'm still curious as to its origins. I've seen this type of flag in the movies Excalibur and The Mists of Avalon, which is the feminist retelling of the Arthurian legend, based on the novel of the same name by Marion Zimmer Bradley.
What's the significance of the dragon?
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Saxon Marauder, I was going to ask you about that flag icon. I checked out that website you linked to, but I'm still curious as to its origins. I've seen this type of flag in the movies Excalibur and The Mists of Avalon, which is the feminist retelling of the Arthurian legend, based on the novel of the same name by Marion Zimmer Bradley.
What's the significance of the dragon?
The dragon emblem comes via the Romans, so I've hard, but the Celtogermanic mythology prefigures that dragons are creatures of the elements, like the mythical World Serpent of Norse lore or Fafnir from the saga of Sigurd the Volsung. The World Serpent, Jormungandr, was a chaotic, cthonic monster who, according to legend and myth, was supposed to meet his doom at the hands of Thor. This is similar to the old Mesopotamian myth of another elemental serpent, Tiamat, being destroyed by another thunder-god, Marduk.
This mythological meme is found even in the Bible, wherein the Almighty, in Psalm 89, is seem to be a slayer of the sea dragon, Rahab: You crushed Rahab like a corpse; with your mighty arm you scattered your enemies. To me, the dragon emblem is a representation of both the power of the elements and of Gd's triumph over His enemies.
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Saxon Marauder, I was going to ask you about that flag icon. I checked out that website you linked to, but I'm still curious as to its origins. I've seen this type of flag in the movies Excalibur and The Mists of Avalon, which is the feminist retelling of the Arthurian legend, based on the novel of the same name by Marion Zimmer Bradley.
What's the significance of the dragon?
The Welsh flag is a red dragon on a white and green background, not white alone. It is certainly accepted that there were various colour dragons floating around in Britain in the early days, though it is not clear just how much the Saxon marauders had to do with it. Certainly, the Welsh dragon is accepted as having been based on dragon motifs flown by the Romans on their castles and in battle - when the Romans left, it continued to be used by the Welsh. Unfortunately, the web site referred to loses credibility with the ignorant remarks made about supposed English supremacy over the Scots and Welsh. The Scots made most of the Empire, and the Welsh were a major influence in the families of the founding fathers and, via the Tudor dynasty, in the governance of England. Both Scotland and Wales have had an influence on British politics hugely disproportionate to their numbers, a situation which for better or worse continues to this day with Brown, Blair and their Scottish inner circles.
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The Romans in the latter years of their empire used dragons as one of their legionary emblems. The Romans seemed to have gotten the motif from the Greeks and/or the near east:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_dragon#Roman_dragons
Dragons/serpents have always figured in the myths of just about every culture on earth, including that of the Jews, where the the Hebrew term tehom, "the deep," at the opening of Genesis is cognate with tiamat, the Mesopotamian she-dragon. I think I've got that right, but I'm just drawing from memory..
The dragon is, to the Christians, a symbol of the arch-satan and the dragon is a symbol of good luck and sovereignty to the Chinese, but another Chinese position has them being banished to watery realms by Shangdi, the Supreme Gd of the ancient, pre-Taoist Chinese religion.
I don't know of the connection between eastern and western dragons; there's been a lot of speculation as to where the influence goes, but I can only say that dragons are a universal meme in human consciousness.
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In the movie Excalibur, Arthur was the son of Uther Pendragon.
In the The Mists of Avalon, the Lady of the Lake and Morgaine were angry with Arthur because he ditched the pendragon banner in battle in favor of the cross.
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Israeli Paratrooper shoulder tag
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8758/150pxtagshfifonn.jpg)
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Correct there is a newer generation of neo-nazis who adore national socialism , i know some myself
i know a neonazi who is genuly pro-israel and pro-jewish, his most important figure in life is hitler
But he's about as pro-israel and pro-jewish as you get so how can he love hitler , trust me he's not not anti -semtic and il expalin
He does not deny the holocaust and thing's its ludacrous to deny it.
In his mind Hitler biggest mistake was to gas jews and instead of killing jews Hitler should have allied with jewish people and worked with them to put muslims into auswitch and exterminate them because they the real enemy of the white race and the jewish race.
He thing's the jewish race is the only race that are equal to whites and all other are subhumans , the only jews in his mind are white jews like kach and pesak , so jews who are mixed race are mullatos and are subhumans and are contamination to the jewish race.
He's not against Jews dating whites and exuly thing's it should be encouraged for white people to date "true jews" (white jews like kach and pesak) and have children.
So it means True jews could date True jews and White people but if a white a or a true jew has sex with a black,asian,mullator he/she should be put to death a
They believe Muslims control the world, that Muslims all own all the media and that they are one's who are behind destroying the white race and are working on outbreeding the jews so they have sympathy
They are also fascinated by Israel's resistances against Muslims
They want to implant national socialism in Europe but the only difference would be that white jews like Kach would to equal to white's aryans and have all the same rights and no differnce would be made in law between whites and jews. .
And the ulimate goal is a final soultion of the muslims using the same methods hitler did but not targeting a single jew
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Honestly he isn't any better than Hitler! Because only because he would not consider ME a subhuman but others and thinks they should be put to death for being the race they are is simply as horrible as condemning jews for being Jews! Just because it is "the others" this time doesn't make it more acceptable for me! Genocide is genocide and I don't think I am more valuable than others. This is as stupid and dumb as Hitler himself!
BNP may not be a Nazi party, okay. But I would NEVER ally myself with any ideology calling for genocide!
If BNP is for mass deportation of Muslims to their home countries, I am okay with it. And I know that (as well as here in Germany) many voters of rightist parties do it more because of their concern about the future and just "tolerate" some of the anti-Semitic and holocaust denial elements of these parties although they do NOT agree with these parts of the parties. And for many people in Europe the rightist parties are the only hope for a better future without mass immigration and an islamic demographic time bomb!
But real Nazis would NEVER have my support. I would neither support if they wanted to put all Muslims in Europe into concentration camps to kill them. If they want to deport them, they have 100% of my support - but killing them in that way is just being as evil as they are!
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Personally I fully support the BNP. People have to realize that Europe and Israel should be allied against the common Islamic enemy that is making a threat to Europe, Russia, Israel, America and the West as a whole.
Now: The members of the BNP are not Neo-Nazis, nor socialists, but British nationalists. They believe in British autonomy and think that only White European people can be assimilated into Britain, including the Jews.
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Personally I fully support the BNP. People have to realize that Europe and Israel should be allied against the common Islamic enemy that is making a threat to Europe, Russia, Israel, America and the West as a whole.
Now: The members of the BNP are not Neo-Nazis, nor socialists, but British nationalists. They believe in British autonomy and think that only White European people can be assimilated into Britain, including the Jews.
That's also closer to my opinion , im also no fan of democracy and im a hardcore nationalist and anti-immigrant
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The BNP are not Nazi for the 1000th time but they do want to keep socialist medicine and welfare
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The BNP are not Nazi for the 1000th time but they do want to keep socialist medicine and welfare
What is socialist medicine, state founded hospitals? What's the problem with that?
That's also closer to my opinion , im also no fan of democracy and im a hardcore nationalist and anti-immigrant
Ok, me too..
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The BNP are not Nazi for the 1000th time but they do want to keep socialist medicine and welfare
I know that they are anti-immigrant and anti-islam and they are nationalists
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The BNP has a lot of supporters from outside of the UK, either in the form of expats or foreign citizens of other countries like the U.S. or Canada. It's interesting how the BNP attracts attention from outside of the UK, yet also not very surprising.
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The BNP has a lot of supporters from outside of the UK, either in the form of expats or foreign citizens of other countries like the U.S. or Canada. It's interesting how the BNP attracts attention from outside of the UK, yet also not very surprising.
I have nothing to do with Britain nor I intend to go to live there, but I still care about Britain's future, just like I care for the future of all European nations.
Same for Israel, I don't intend to go to live there neither and I'm a strong supporter of Israel.
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The saying "Gd save the queen" exists for a reason. For centuries, the monarch was considered to be the "Defender of the [Christian] Faith." Now, the faith is reeling on the ropes from years of repeated attacks and the Christian Britons are slowly and surely being done in. I've seen many people compare what's being done to white Europeans as genocide. The BNP wants to preserve the UK's civilization and history, be it Celtic or Roman or Anglo-Saxon or Judeo-Christian, and I'm all for that.
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The BNP is not anti semitic.
A simple statement but how do I know this for sure?
I am a BNP election candidate and have been a member of the BNP for several years now. I attend local meetings, sometimes as a speaker where I talk on many subjects INCLUDING my full and open support of Israel and her people.
I am not Jewish but have supported Israel since 1976 and Israel's "Operation Thunderball" מבצע יונתן
I had just had my 18th birthday and watched in horror at the unfolding events of the hijacking of the French Airliner that evetually led to Israeli IDF forces launching a rescue operation.
Being 18 I couldn't understand why everyone seemed to pick on Israel and her people. I spent many hours researching, which continues to this day, and whilst I still can't say exactly why Israel seems to be the target for unwarranted attacks I can say that I know an injustice when I see one.
OK I've gone off subject a bit here but it's important to know why I support Israel. In all my talks at BNP meetings I have never hidden my support of Israel and have never been questioned, attacked, vilified or even just moaned at!
I have not, and do not, and will not support ANY group party etc, no matter how much they oppose muSSie scum, if that group had any nazi views whatsoever!
I repeat my simple sentence: The BNP is not anti semitic.
Shalom
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The BNP is not anti semitic.
A simple statement but how do I know this for sure?
I am a BNP election candidate and have been a member of the BNP for several years now. I attend local meetings, sometimes as a speaker where I talk on many subjects INCLUDING my full and open support of Israel and her people.
I am not Jewish but have supported Israel since 1976 and Israel's "Operation Thunderball" מבצע יונתן
I had just had my 18th birthday and watched in horror at the unfolding events of the hijacking of the French Airliner that evetually led to Israeli IDF forces launching a rescue operation.
Being 18 I couldn't understand why everyone seemed to pick on Israel and her people. I spent many hours researching, which continues to this day, and whilst I still can't say exactly why Israel seems to be the target for unwarranted attacks I can say that I know an injustice when I see one.
OK I've gone off subject a bit here but it's important to know why I support Israel. In all my talks at BNP meetings I have never hidden my support of Israel and have never been questioned, attacked, vilified or even just moaned at!
I have not, and do not, and will not support ANY group party etc, no matter how much they oppose muSSie scum, if that group had any nazi views whatsoever!
I repeat my simple sentence: The BNP is not anti semitic.
Shalom
It's a media trick to paint anybody who is anti-Islamic and pro-westren culture as anti semitic scum
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It's a media trick to paint anybody who is anti-Islamic and pro-westren culture as anti semitic scum
Which is about as true as saying that Muhammad was not a thuggish pedophile who hated Christians and Jews with equal fervor.
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It's a media trick to paint anybody who is anti-Islamic and pro-westren culture as anti semitic scum
Which is about as true as saying that Muhammad was not a thuggish pedophile who hated Christians and Jews with equal fervor.
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What i said is not true?
Just look how the media portrays Vlaams Belang the media took a picture of a single nazi at a giant Vlaams Belang rally and he had a nazi flag and the entire party was branded by the media as a nazi party when philips dewinter has kicked out anti semetic people out of the party and philips dewinter the leader of Vlaams Belang is pro-israel but a open islamophobe who is against abortion,homosexual marriage,multicultarism,islam and he supports repaling "hate speech" laws that are abused by muslims in europe to stiffle criticism of Muslims
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The BNP is not anti semitic.
A simple statement but how do I know this for sure?
I am a BNP election candidate and have been a member of the BNP for several years now. I attend local meetings, sometimes as a speaker where I talk on many subjects INCLUDING my full and open support of Israel and her people.
I am not Jewish but have supported Israel since 1976 and Israel's "Operation Thunderball" מבצע יונתן
I had just had my 18th birthday and watched in horror at the unfolding events of the hijacking of the French Airliner that evetually led to Israeli IDF forces launching a rescue operation.
Being 18 I couldn't understand why everyone seemed to pick on Israel and her people. I spent many hours researching, which continues to this day, and whilst I still can't say exactly why Israel seems to be the target for unwarranted attacks I can say that I know an injustice when I see one.
OK I've gone off subject a bit here but it's important to know why I support Israel. In all my talks at BNP meetings I have never hidden my support of Israel and have never been questioned, attacked, vilified or even just moaned at!
I have not, and do not, and will not support ANY group party etc, no matter how much they oppose muSSie scum, if that group had any nazi views whatsoever!
I repeat my simple sentence: The BNP is not anti semitic.
Shalom
Admirable.
The rest of the nationalist parties in Europe, and even Israel or the Americas, should imitate the BNP, it's a brilliant party.
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hi eveyone, Im late to the party but I am here at last.
So I am English in NY and was wondering for a while whether it would be prudent to support the BNP, or EDL or UK Casuals.
My worry is Islam but I don't wont to be tarred with any extreme views. The media portrays the above groups as being racist and anti-semitic. This is of course [censored].
None of these groups are racist or anti-semitic. I joined UK Casuals and am a proud member of JTF and hope to meet my friends here in NY at some point. I am at law school so that will have to be after exams :)